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[00:19:43] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: hey, I thought you're dead
[00:19:48] <gisburn> OnkelSchorsch: http://www.heise.de/ct/schlagseite/06/22/gross.jpg
[00:20:27] <OnkelSchorsch> rofl.
[00:20:45] <OnkelSchorsch> OnkelSchorsch has risen from the dead
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[00:21:50] * gisburn greets solaris-user , the brasilian branch of sun microsystem
[00:22:29] <solaris-user> question : ultra 30 can be a good desktop?
[00:23:01] <gisburn> solaris-user: depends whether you avoid JDS and stuff 256MB inside. Then... yes.
[00:23:18] <gisburn> solaris-user: if you need to run JDS, install 1024MB ram
[00:23:50] <solaris-user> support 2Gb RAm I guess
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[00:24:59] <solaris-user> gisburn : u think 300Mhz sparcII can be a desktop ( for mail, web and shell user?? )
[00:25:20] <elektronkind> erm, no
[00:25:24] <gisburn> solaris-user: I am using a 256MB Ultra5/333MHz for that purpose.
[00:25:30] <twincest> could be if you have enough RAM
[00:25:45] <gisburn> elektronkind: it works as long you have enougth ram
[00:26:38] <twincest> i wouldn't use it as my desktop, but i use mine for more than that :)
[00:26:51] <gisburn> Anyone wants to guess the species: http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,721267,00.jpg (no, this is not a vorlon outside is suite)
[00:28:21] <delewis> gisburn: :-)
[00:29:22] <solaris-user> I need study for SCSA I need one SUN machine to study
[00:29:48] <delewis> SCSA requires SPARC knowledge?
[00:29:53] <delewis> solaris-user: SUN died years ago. move on.
[00:29:59] <gisburn> delewis: I hope so.
[00:30:11] * gisburn considers to kick delewis
[00:30:22] <delewis> re-consider :-)
[00:30:29] <gisburn> solaris-user: ignore delewis. Sometimes he trolls around and can't stop.
[00:30:34] * gisburn hides
[00:30:40] * delewis stabs gisburn
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[00:30:47] * gisburn diggs a hole....
[00:30:50] <gisburn> ahhhggllllll
[00:30:53] <gisburn> murder!
[00:30:54] <gisburn> ahhhggllllll
[00:31:05] <delewis> :-)
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[00:31:27] <delewis> solaris-user: if you really do need a sun SPARC system, I would recommend an Ultra 2
[00:31:33] <delewis> very cheap systems with sufficient horsepower.
[00:31:53] <delewis> a 2x300MHz, 1GB of physical memory configuration should suffice
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[00:31:56] <delewis> similarly for the Ultra 60
[00:32:29] <nrubsig> you only need 512MB if you run KDE or CDE instead of JDS/Gnome
[00:32:40] <delewis> you might be able to find a Blade 1000 for around $300 that would have even more power (UltraSPARC-III)
[00:32:51] <nrubsig> erm
[00:32:55] <nrubsig> delewis: not recommended.
[00:33:06] <delewis> nrubsig: I can't stand anything less than 1GB on any Solaris system I work with.
[00:33:13] <solaris-user> I live in Brazil man :( here one Blade 1000 its around $1000
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[00:33:19] <nrubsig> delewis: most of the blade1000 on ebay below 400 euro are the 750MHz bits with the broken MMU
[00:33:21] <delewis> (and really 1GB for a primary workstation is *awful*)
[00:33:26] * delewis wishes he had his 2GB back
[00:33:41] <delewis> nrubsig: not a broken MMU, just no CU extensions
[00:33:45] * nrubsig hits delewis with his laptop (2GB main memory)
[00:33:49] <delewis> they're still fine systems.
[00:34:01] <nrubsig> delewis: the MMU is broken. MPSS is useless on such systems
[00:34:08] <delewis> MPSS?
[00:34:15] <nrubsig> delewis: multiple page size support
[00:34:21] <delewis> ah
[00:34:42] <delewis> well, you could always upgrade to the CU-enabled processors :-)
[00:34:49] <nrubsig> delewis: e.g. using more than two pagesizes extensively can bring the box down (performace issue)
[00:34:56] <coffman> broken mmu?
[00:35:16] <delewis> nrubsig: I thought Solaris used 8K pgs uniformally, though?
[00:35:20] <nrubsig> coffman: well, not broken, but MPSS is useless on these machines.
[00:35:25] <nrubsig> delewis: no.
[00:35:28] <nrubsig> delewis: not anymore.
[00:35:45] <nrubsig> delewis: 8k, 64k and 4M are used concurrently.
[00:35:59] <nrubsig> delewis: and I have a patch for Xorg around to use 64k pages for pixmaps
[00:36:16] <delewis> oh, that's right -- I had forgotten that systems with large amounts of memory (ex. Sun Fire 15k) use larger page sizes
[00:36:22] <nrubsig> delewis: which should dramatically improve offscreen rendering
[00:36:32] <coffman> is it all sparc under 750 mhz or only the blade 1k series?
[00:36:43] <delewis> coffman: it's all non-CU processors.
[00:36:50] <delewis> well UltraSPARC-III, anyway
[00:37:00] <delewis> which includes the 600MHz and 750MHz variants
[00:37:03] <coffman> kay
[00:37:08] <nrubsig> coffman: UltraSPARC-III non-CPU and Fujitsu SPARC64 <= IV
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[00:37:35] <twincest> del: with mpss solaris can use per-process page sizes
[00:37:38] <coffman> u mean non CU or?
[00:37:48] <coffman> but not ultra II?
[00:38:06] <nrubsig> coffman: AFAIK you have 2* 512 entries for one page size and one 16 fully-accociative entry
[00:38:18] * delewis would've upgraded his SB1000 to 2x900MHz processors, but alas, funds had to be diverted to the "Ferrari 5k fund"
[00:39:04] <nrubsig> coffman: UltraSPARC-I/II+niagara1 use the spitfire MMU which has 64 fully-associately entries per MMU where each entry can reflect any page size of 8k, 64, 512k and 4M (niagara1 uses 256M instead of 512k)
[00:39:37] <coffman> uh
[00:39:46] <delewis> nrubsig: is any of this mentioned in the "UltraSPARC-III User's Manual"?
[00:40:07] <nrubsig> coffman: that way the spitfire mmu design is sometimes far more efficient than the UltraSPARC-3 MMU
[00:40:18] <nrubsig> delewis: *shrug*
[00:40:23] <coffman> so ultra III us kind of bugy? why they put a smaller MMU in?
[00:40:34] <delewis> nrubsig: what's your source on this information then? (which is my primary question)
[00:40:36] <coffman> no space on the die?
[00:40:37] <nrubsig> coffman: it is not smaller, it is less flexible
[00:41:16] <coffman> ic - then even more, why?
[00:41:29] <nrubsig> coffman: UltraSPARC-3 non-CU has two large 512 entries which can hold one page size and one 16 entry fully-associative set
[00:42:08] <solaris-user> will try one ultra-2
[00:42:10] <nrubsig> coffman: the problem is that usually one 512 set is locked for the 8k entries, leaving only one 512 set for another page size and the 16 entry thing
[00:42:35] <nrubsig> coffman: usually applications compete for the small 16 entry thing like if they are mad and wild
[00:43:59] * coffman head smokes
[00:44:05] <nrubsig> coffman: I guess the designers of the UltraSPARC-3 non-CU and SPARC64 CPUs looked at the actual MMU usage in SOlaris 7-9 and designed the new MMU based on that.
[00:44:17] <nrubsig> coffman: MPSS was new in S10
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[00:45:12] <Andrew____> 4M pages were available for shared memory before S10.
[00:45:23] <coffman> dont get me wrong, sounds like dynamic stripe size to me :)
[00:45:38] * coffman is not a system guru
[00:46:08] <Andrew____> The feature was called Intimate shared memory (ISM).
[00:46:47] <nrubsig> Andrew____: yes, but usually it wasn't that worse.
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[00:47:15] <nrubsig> Andrew____: it became a real problem when applications really started to use ISM or MPSS extensively.
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[00:47:56] <nrubsig> It was likely one of the biggest design mistakes in the UltraSPARC-3/4 series.
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[00:48:04] <Andrew____> The problem with ISM was that you weren't guaranteed to get a 4M page, and it was not easy to tell if you did or not.
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[01:06:48] <nrubsig> Tpenta: is there any magic trick to turn IPF on in B48 ?
[01:07:03] <Tpenta> no idea, you'd need to talk with avalon
[01:07:33] <Tpenta> i wouldnt have thought so
[01:07:38] <nrubsig> !seen avalon
[01:07:39] <Drone> I've never seen avalon talk in #opensolaris.
[01:07:45] <nrubsig> !seen satan
[01:07:46] <Drone> satan (satan!n=chatzill at p54AE763C dot dip.t-dialin.net) was last seen in #opensolaris on Fri 03 Mar 2006 16:21 GMT, saying 'buh!'.
[01:07:49] <nrubsig> !seen Tpenta
[01:07:50] <Drone> Tpenta is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Sat 21 Oct 2006 23:08 GMT, saying 'i wouldnt have thought so'.
[01:08:00] <Tpenta> we'll have to gtet him in here some time
[01:08:11] <Tpenta> avalone is Darren Reed (ipf author)
[01:08:25] * nrubsig suggests to build another patented glue trao
[01:08:30] <nrubsig> s/trao/trap/
[01:08:39] <nrubsig> Ok, it's cruel
[01:08:42] <nrubsig> but it should work
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[01:31:46] * nrubsig wishes B51 would be released.
[01:31:56] <nrubsig> now
[01:31:57] <nrubsig> somehow
[01:32:03] * nrubsig wants a time machine
[01:32:12] * nrubsig growles
[01:33:12] <jerome__> what's new in b51?
[01:34:05] <nrubsig> jerome__: it contains a change which is needed before the ksh93-integration project can continue.
[01:34:31] <jerome__> oh ok
[01:34:35] <jerome__> nice
[01:34:44] <jerome__> indeed very nice
[01:35:03] <sahafeez> fuck . i just installed 49
[01:35:14] <jerome__> hahaha
[01:35:25] <nrubsig> sahafeez: fuck I have to wait for B51
[01:36:29] <nrubsig> (sorry for that offensive word but this is what I think about WAITING)
[01:36:34] <nrubsig> and I hate waiting.
[01:36:59] <jerome__> what change is required for ksh93?
[01:37:29] <sahafeez> nrubsig: no wife or kids eh?
[01:37:34] <nrubsig> jerome__: libcmd
[01:37:40] <jerome__> ok
[01:37:43] <jerome__> makes sense
[01:38:00] <nrubsig> sahafeez: well, I am working on the "wife" part and kids are planned, too.
[01:38:17] <nrubsig> sahafeez: I am using my little nieces as training :-)
[01:38:36] <sahafeez> haha. you will learn my son, you will learn. ;)
[01:38:56] <jerome__> give your wife a $100 victoria secret certificate, that'll give you 4 hours for yourself, at least.
[01:39:13] <jerome__> that's $25/hr, totally worth every singly penny
[01:39:22] <nrubsig> sahafeez: I already learned that kids are cute :-)
[01:39:47] <jerome__> and buy your kinds an xbox, so you've got time to hack too
[01:39:50] <jerome__> kids
[01:39:54] <sahafeez> yes they are, cept like now when my 3 year old has a bad cold..
[01:40:14] <jerome__> hire a nanny
[01:40:17] <hile_> bwhaha
[01:40:26] <nrubsig> jerome__: not funny.
[01:40:43] <hile_> send the wife out to go shopping, you go do other interesting stuff
[01:40:44] <nrubsig> jerome__: I do it myself. much more interesting.
[01:41:18] <jerome__> I hate my kids
[01:41:19] <jerome__> oh wait
[01:41:23] <jerome__> I don't have any
[01:41:24] <jerome__> good
[01:41:28] <sahafeez> she just went down for a nap about an hour ago. finally. try to explan to a 3 yr old about being sick and why dad cannot fix it right away..
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[01:43:48] <sahafeez> ok, when you itunes lib takes 3 mins to load on a 2xp3@850 w/10k rpm scsi disk - you have 2 much crap
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[02:16:34] <sahafeez> anyone want to buy an u80 w/4x450 4gb ram and 2xElite3d
[02:17:52] <rodrickbrown> how much ?
[02:18:12] <sahafeez> hum. guess that is what i am asking...how much is it worth
[02:18:32] <sahafeez> oh, 36gb 10krpm and 18gb 10krpm
[02:18:34] <sahafeez> and dvd
[02:19:01] <rodrickbrown> $300
[02:19:04] <rodrickbrown> USD
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[02:20:55] <sahafeez> hum.
[02:21:07] <sahafeez> + shipping?
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[02:25:52] <sahafeez> i think i could sell it for $300+shipping.
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[02:36:18] <solaris-user> sahafeez : hope you live in brazil :) and I buy from you
[02:36:19] <solaris-user> :)
[02:36:29] <sahafeez> no. cali
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[02:44:59] <sahafeez> anyone got a binary of dosbox on sparc?
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[02:57:03] <nrubsig> does anyone remeber a shell command to turn a character value into the unicode or ascii number ?
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[03:02:19] <PerterB> perl -e "print ord($num);" ? :)
[03:02:43] <PerterB> oh, other way round... char($num)
[03:02:55] <sahafeez> hey, how do i find if an sxcr build has a solaris 10 patch in it already?
[03:03:24] <nrubsig> PerterB: I am writing a mandelbrot application in ksh93 and calling perl for that... is... uhm... xx@@@!!!
[03:05:18] <sahafeez> why the hell would you write an app in shell script !?!?!
[03:05:35] <PerterB> oh, no, I misread that twice... the ord() was right :)  in a shell script you could probably use some invocation of 'od' but if you want a shell builtin because you're worried about performance, that's tricky
[03:05:46] <Error_404> sahafeez: because some people go all crazy of ksh93 for some unknown reason
[03:07:19] <PerterB> sahafeez: I don't think you can easily... you'd have to look at the bugs reports the patch fixes and see what release they were integrated in
[03:08:04] <sahafeez> hum. shit. not the answer i wanted. just wanted to know if patch 113616-06 is in b49. oh well. guess i will have to read.
[03:08:44] <sahafeez> hum. does not matter it think. now that i think about it it is a patch for software, not sol10 it self. cool.
[03:10:46] <PerterB> given that changes are usually made to the nevada source and then patches are made for sol8/9/10, the then odds are if you have a recent Nevada it's a superset of the sol10 patches
[03:15:31] <sahafeez> k, trying to get my sunpci2 to work under 10. done it in the past..
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[03:23:03] <sahafeez> so no one on DOSbox on a Sparc?
[03:23:35] <Error_404> just compile it...
[03:23:36] <sahafeez> does the SXCR level match the vermillion release level. so 50=V50
[03:23:46] <sahafeez> Error_404: k.
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[03:29:42] <Error_404> i should learn java...
[03:30:03] <sahafeez> i should learn how to pick winning lotto numbers
[03:30:50] <Error_404> a lot of people who win lotto are worse off after a few years
[03:31:05] <Error_404> they do things like buy massive houses that they don't make enough to pay the property tax on
[03:31:47] <OnkelSchorsch> hm. they should buy SUNW stock :)
[03:32:14] <Error_404> OnkelSchorsch: and then sell it in a year and a half when the web2.0 bubble bursts
[03:32:38] <Error_404> oh man, when that happens, i'm buying so much bargain basement sun gear off ebay
[03:33:17] <OnkelSchorsch> hm. do you think that the momentum sun is gaining, is due to the web 2.0?
[03:34:25] <Error_404> yes
[03:34:49] <Error_404> it happened with the dot-bombs, I see no reason why this time around should be any different
[03:34:50] <sahafeez> i did the .bomb rich to rags thing once. trust me. i won the lotto i would be very good with my money
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[03:42:27] <richlowe> movement: yeah.
[03:47:07] <Error_404> wtf?
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[04:29:56] <dclarke> hello
[04:30:03] <Error_404> yo
[04:32:10] <dclarke> I'm eating popcorn and watching the mummy
[04:32:43] <Error_404> w00t
[04:32:54] <Auralis> nice popcorm flick :)
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[05:17:54] <bank> hi
[05:17:59] <bank> sunday morning
[05:23:27] <nrubsig> ahhggllrr
[05:23:48] * nrubsig ran his mandelbrot ksh93 script with widh=20000 height=20000
[05:24:07] <nrubsig> problem: defaults to parallel mode where each line is one worker process
[05:24:08] <nrubsig> BOOM
[05:31:19] <nrubsig> weired
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[05:31:45] <nrubsig> parallel mode is 20% faster on a single processor machine than serial mode
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[05:48:01] <bank> If I would like the user to upload file to the own virtual host in apache. what is the better practice between create user at the vhost location or all user create in the same place like /export/users
[05:48:52] <bank> but If all user are in /export/users but how can I make user log in via ssh and see the virtual host directory as default to upload file.
[05:49:16] <bank> or useradd to each specific dir of virtual host in apache is better?
[05:49:30] <bank> or actually mapp each virtual host to each user directory ..
[05:50:56] <Error_404> i have no idea what you're talking about, so I'm gonna suggest NFS
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[05:53:52] <bank> Error_404: are there a command to see the list of all users and each user directory on the machine?
[05:54:26] <Error_404> cat /etc/passwd
[05:54:57] <Error_404> a list of currently logged in users: /usr/bin/who
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[05:55:58] <bank> cat /usr/bin/who it print an unreadable text.
[05:56:02] <bank> command who?
[05:56:09] <Error_404> yes
[05:56:12] <bank> :P
[05:56:15] <Error_404> just type in 'who' and hit enter
[05:57:21] <Error_404> /etc/passwd holds all the user info, like username, UID, home directory, shell
[05:57:36] <Error_404> cat just spits it out on the screen
[05:58:49] <bank> so it quite no matter to create user in several locations.
[05:59:31] <bank> then I got some question from yesterday, I upload the web site up to the directory and I have to grant like.
[05:59:36] <bank> chmod 755 index.html
[05:59:44] <bank> is that the correct way?
[05:59:49] <bank> right method ..
[06:00:10] <bank> if there are a lot of html page... Do I need to chmod each of them? ..
[06:01:06] <Auralis> put all users into the same group, grant the webserver access to the groups file, take away the users access to other peoples files int he same group
[06:04:22] <bank> ok I will go through user admistration chapter.
[06:04:59] <Error_404> why 755 ?
[06:05:08] <Error_404> 7 = read, write, execute
[06:05:30] <Error_404> 644 works too, because there's no reason to execute an html file
[06:08:56] <bank> how about php?
[06:09:01] <bank> is that mean an execution
[06:09:30] <Error_404> i don't know, i don't use php
[06:10:15] <Error_404> but i would imagine it's just read by mod_php
[06:10:21] <bank> no no. just ... about any scripting web application technology.
[06:10:26] <bank> like jsp jsf php asp
[06:10:38] <bank> oh ok user didn't execute by himself.
[06:10:41] <Error_404> jsp are not, .pl are not
[06:17:45] <bank> I reading but.
[06:17:59] <bank> there are groupadd to create group then useradd to add each user to group
[06:18:23] <bank> that correspond to 1.put all users into the same group,
[06:18:39] <bank> but How can I do
[06:18:40] <bank> 2.grant the webserver access to the groups file,
[06:19:14] <nrubsig> when I do a $ px() { echo "pid=$$" ; } ; px ; ( px ) & # prints identical pids
[06:19:15] <nrubsig> how can I get the PID of the child process
[06:19:16] <nrubsig> ?
[06:21:41] <bank> Auralis:Does that mean about "chown"
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[06:28:54] <bank__> err does that related to RBAC.
[06:43:30] <bank__> ...
[06:47:05] <dclarke> hello
[06:47:37] * dclarke currently testing the SUNWqemu 0.8.2 package
[06:52:07] <jteo> wb dclarke.
[07:00:37] <bank__> hi
[07:02:57] <bank__> I don't know how to grant acess to groups file
[07:03:00] <noyb> dclarke: having fun?
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[07:18:43] <gnu2it2> how stable is sol-nv-b50 ?
[07:19:18] <Tpenta> I've been running it about a week on both the notebook and a u60 and a u80
[07:22:27] <nrubsig> Tpenta: do you have a niagara1 box around ?
[07:22:39] <Tpenta> not at home
[07:23:22] <nrubsig> Tpenta: it is a known problem that 400 fp-heavy running processes can take a box down that it takes minutes before it starts to respond to ssh input again ?
[07:23:48] <Tpenta> why would you run 400 fp heavy processes on a niagara 1 box?
[07:23:59] <Tpenta> of course it will perform like a sack of shit
[07:24:11] <nrubsig> Tpenta: one sec
[07:24:11] <LeftWing> It has 1 FPU :)
[07:24:17] <LeftWing> Or so I'm lead to believe.
[07:24:26] <Tpenta> leftwing: correct
[07:24:48] <LeftWing> Heh, 400 processes... imagine the contention.
[07:26:44] <jteo> an astute observation.
[07:26:51] <nrubsig> Tpenta: http://www.nrubsig.org/people/gisburn/work/ksh93/misc/ksh93_mandelbrot_output001.txt
[07:27:18] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I wrote a modelbrot generator which slices the workload between multiple processes
[07:27:42] <Tpenta> and did not think about the architecture of the platform you were throwing it at?
[07:27:55] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I knew.
[07:28:02] <Tpenta> :)
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[07:28:07] <nrubsig> Tpenta: the effect on the machine is devastaing.
[07:28:29] <LeftWing> What scheduler are you using?
[07:28:31] <Tpenta> I'm not surprised
[07:28:50] <twincest> will a threaded process which spends most of its time in the kernel doing read() and write() (to many different sockets) benefit from SMP on Solaris?
[07:28:51] <nrubsig> LeftWing: plain solaris 10
[07:29:43] <nrubsig> Tpenta: offtopic: do you have any idea how I can get a screenshot from that mandelbrot image ?
[07:30:32] <nrubsig> ksh93 mandelbrot TERROR!
[07:30:35] <Tpenta> ummm screen shot from your start menu?
[07:30:37] <nrubsig> =:-)
[07:30:50] <nrubsig> Tpenta: it's too large
[07:30:55] <nrubsig> for my sun
[07:31:10] <LeftWing> heh
[07:31:21] <LeftWing> Paste the text into StarOffice and play with the fonts. ;P
[07:31:21] <nrubsig> the laptop has a scrolling screen for 2000x2000 but even then it shows only a fraction of the image
[07:31:38] <nrubsig> LeftWing: the large image is 16384x16384
[07:31:46] <LeftWing> Make a big page size.
[07:31:51] <nrubsig> which runs in 16384 different processes
[07:31:51] <LeftWing> Export to PDF at the end.
[07:32:13] <nrubsig> therefore: ksh93 mandelbrot terror stress test
[07:32:14] <Tpenta> save the image and use netpbm?
[07:32:49] * nrubsig tries Xvnc
[07:33:31] <nrubsig> Is the niagara1 issue worth filing a bug ?
[07:33:55] <LeftWing> Unless you can patch in more FPUs...
[07:37:50] <nrubsig> would there be objections if I stick the mandelbrot generator into /usr/demo/ksh/fun/ ?
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[07:40:13] <bank__> hello
[07:40:26] <bank__> Do i need to do configured to accept HTTPS request?
[07:42:04] <steleman> moin
[07:43:14] <steleman> does ksh93 require 4 nVIDIA QuadroFX 4500 with SLI ? :-P
[07:44:05] <nrubsig> steleman: no... why ?
[07:44:19] <nrubsig> steleman: did you see http://www.nrubsig.org/people/gisburn/work/ksh93/misc/ksh93_mandelbrot_output001.txt yet ?
[07:44:23] <steleman> i was just reading the scroll above about the mandelbrot test
[07:44:28] <steleman> lemme see
[07:44:47] <steleman> i just rebooted this rinky dink laptop so firefox will actually run for the next 30 minutes
[07:44:49] <nrubsig> steleman: use fontsize=50%
[07:46:56] <steleman> Connecting to www.nrubsig.org ...
[07:47:06] <nrubsig> hangs for me, too.
[07:47:17] <steleman> ETIMEDOUT
[07:47:23] <nrubsig> maybe the #bash people are downloading it madly right now... ;-(
[07:47:47] <steleman> lol
[07:47:48] <nrubsig> I think they get even more madly when they realise that the source has a CDDL header...
[07:48:02] <steleman> oiii ?
[07:48:20] <nrubsig> steleman: ?!
[07:48:40] <steleman> the bash dudes aren't that license crazy
[07:48:43] <steleman> afaik
[07:48:59] <steleman> i haven't heard any noise from them
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[07:50:02] <steleman> but then i could be wrong
[07:55:37] <bank__> sorry, it gonna offtopic but.. do i need to create /usr/lib/php/extension ?
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[07:56:26] <nrubsig> more mandelbrot terror: http://www.nrubsig.org/people/gisburn/work/ksh93/misc/ksh93_mandelbrot_output001.html
[07:57:33] <steleman> this one loads
[07:57:42] <steleman> its pretty cool
[07:57:46] <nrubsig> cronk
[07:57:52] <nrubsig> Firefox died
[07:57:59] <nrubsig> in libxft
[07:58:03] <nrubsig> hurray!
[07:58:04] <nrubsig> =:-)
[07:58:41] <steleman> what else is new :-)
[08:04:54] <steleman> i'm leaving for the airport in 2 hours and i'm not packed
[08:05:54] <bank__> oh what is that.
[08:06:09] <bank__> mandelbrot
[08:08:30] <sahafeez> mandelbrot gen in ksh shell script is a sign of a sick mind
[08:08:51] <bank__> sick mind.
[08:08:57] <bank__> sick mind..!
[08:09:40] <bank__> I can feel that.
[08:10:58] <bank__> Fractal Geometry?
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[08:14:31] <Tpenta> the ksh book that i bought years ago had a complete implementation of mh as teh running example
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[08:15:08] <sahafeez> once again. shell scripting as prg language beyond simple scripts is sick ;)
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[08:22:00] <nrubsig> sahafeez: DIE DIE DIE: http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/mandelbrot1.ksh
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[08:22:04] <nrubsig> =:-)
[08:22:18] <nrubsig> heh
[08:22:58] * nrubsig didn't knew that some mandelbrot stuff can kill people
[08:23:06] <nrubsig> Tpenta: ping!
[08:23:13] <Tpenta> nrubsig: ACK
[08:23:22] <nrubsig> Tpenta: testcase: http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/mandelbrot1.ksh
[08:23:34] <nrubsig> Tpenta: note it has a "parallel" mode
[08:23:42] <nrubsig> Tpenta: one job per mandelbrot line
[08:24:04] <Tpenta> test case for clobbering a t2000 and getting what you expect?
[08:24:13] <nrubsig> Tpenta: yes
[08:24:27] <nrubsig> Tpenta: make sure "-width" is large enougth to keep the jobs running long enougth
[08:24:34] <Tpenta> if i were to log such a bug, it would get closed as "not a bug" so fast your head would spin
[08:24:50] <nrubsig> otheiwise the parent job can't spawn new jobs as fast as they finish
[08:24:57] <Tpenta> that load is *SO* not designed for a T1
[08:25:15] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I agree.
[08:25:27] <nrubsig> Tpenta: but it should not make the box unresposive, right ?
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[08:25:47] <Tpenta> when you think about the architecture of the box, i woudl expect it to be unresponsive
[08:26:50] <lloy0076> lol
[08:27:00] <lloy0076> BUG T2000: Cannot handle ridiculous mandelbrot sets.
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[08:29:46] <LeftWing> Rejig it with fixed-point integer math.
[08:30:34] <nrubsig> lloy0076: security alert 20061022: Unpriviledged user DOS attack on Sun Ultra T1000/T2000 machines.
[08:31:05] <bank__> I try to configure .ini but it is read only file I use !w but it can't save
[08:34:02] <bank__> I know username but I want to kill his processs out.
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[08:40:15] <Error_404> nrubsig: you realize the USparcT1 only has a single FPU, yes?
[08:40:34] <Error_404> so, paralellizing a floating point function does nothing
[08:40:40] <Tpenta> actually, its probably not the fp that's kiling you. It's hang 400 runnable threads
[08:40:49] <Tpenta> and you are fighting for cpu amongst them all
[08:40:54] <Tpenta> for your interactive session
[08:41:07] <nrubsig> Tpenta: look at the script
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[08:41:18] <nrubsig> Tpenta: all worker jobs are running with "nice"
[08:41:23] <nrubsig> Tpenta: set -o bgnice
[08:41:27] <gnu2it2> any good docs to do a network install?
[08:41:39] <nrubsig> Tpenta: I am not writing such parallel scripts for the first time... :-)
[08:41:51] <Tpenta> itwould eb interesting to have your interactive sessin in a different processor set
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[08:42:49] <Error_404> nrubsig: nice(1) is depreciated. use priocntl(1)
[08:43:13] <Tpenta> nice should still work though
[08:43:27] <Error_404> yeah, but why do it wrong?
[08:44:11] <nrubsig> Error_404: I am using the ksh93 feature "set -o bgnice" which "nice"'es all background jobs
[08:44:17] * nrubsig kicks Error_404
[08:44:57] <nrubsig> Error_404: I do not use the "nice" command at all - ksh93 does that for me
[08:45:12] <nrubsig> Error_404: see http://svn.genunix.org/repos/on/branches/ksh93/gisburn/scripts/mandelbrot1.ksh
[08:45:21] <nrubsig> Error_404: function loop_parallel
[08:46:30] <Error_404> i'm seriously still not sure why people seem to make such a big stink about ksh anyways
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[08:53:59] <bank__> my vnc is hang ..
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[08:56:20] <Error_404> bank__: you think that's bad? try having a runaway java process in the global zone, an instance of glassfish in another, and then compile O/N, all in 1G of ram, a single processer, and a single harddrive
[08:57:42] <Error_404> i couldn't log in remotely
[08:57:45] <Error_404> or locally
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[09:05:53] <gnu2it2> any good docs to do a network install?
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[09:08:41] <bank> after I reboot server .. it halt 3 zones. now I my ping all lost :'(
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[09:17:51] <bank> oh no.. i lost the server,
[09:18:01] <asyd> \_o<
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[09:36:41] <Error_404> *yawn*
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[09:42:09] <bank> :'(
[09:42:24] <Error_404> ?
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[09:44:13] <bank> I lost my connection with server after reboot.
[09:44:17] <bank> #reboot
[09:44:21] <bank> halting 3 zones
[09:44:30] <bank> then it never back again.
[09:44:54] <Error_404> do you have physical access to the machine?
[09:45:31] <bank> no
[09:46:01] <Error_404> it's probably sitting at a prompt w/ errors on a critical service
[09:46:25] <Error_404> i'd put money on svc:/system/filesystem/local:default
[09:46:42] <bank> what is that
[09:46:51] <bank> if i go to the site now. do i need to bring solaris dvd
[09:47:24] <Error_404> probably not
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[09:47:44] <bank> :( oh my sunday.
[09:47:52] <bank> what wrong with my machine.
[09:48:02] <sickness> well, I'll bring one, plus a livecd just in case...
[09:48:05] <Error_404> i don't know, when you get there run svcs -xv
[09:48:12] <Error_404> it'll usually tell you what's failed
[09:50:05] <bank> I tell the support overthere to reboot
[09:50:16] <bank> he said there are only "grub" on screen
[09:50:19] <bank> with cursor blink
[09:50:25] <bank> can not do or type anything.
[09:50:41] <Error_404> what'd you do to the machine recently
[09:51:02] <bank> from the last time reboot . it very long time after update b48 to b49
[09:51:08] <bank> I create zfs at /export
[09:51:11] <bank> create 3 zones
[09:51:32] <bank> on global zone i configure BIND
[09:51:43] <bank> and also install libxml2 , enable apache and install php
[09:52:02] <bank> on non-global zone I successfully map virutal host to physical path.
[09:52:03] <Error_404> when you created the zpool, did you give it the full drive?
[09:52:06] <bank> I can run the web site.
[09:52:09] <Error_404> oh, wait... n/m
[09:52:24] <bank> :o pardon?
[09:52:29] <jteo> that's why you always keep a network connection to the SP, not the main box.
[09:52:36] <Error_404> nevermind, i was thinking something else
[09:53:20] <bank> recently I extract sugarCRM on my virtual host, and also try to install phpmyadmin
[09:53:28] <bank> the most recently is try to install phpmyadmin
[09:53:39] <bank> by find / name mysql.so
[09:53:47] <bank> and I am going to configure php.ini
[09:53:54] <bank> then ... my vnc is hang
[09:54:03] <bank> I don't know why!
[09:54:19] <bank> and no one here so ... I decide to reboot
[09:54:20] <jteo> what machine?
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[09:54:23] <bank> by issue #reboot
[09:54:31] <bank> then it halt 3 zones.
[09:54:44] <bank> and I lost vnc, ssh. then I can't ping anymore up until now.
[09:54:57] <Error_404> you can ping it now?
[09:55:21] <bank> I call support to reboot machine by press at infront of cover, then he said it show "Grub" and cursor blink. he can't do anything with machine.
[09:55:31] <bank> I ping but always "Request timed out"
[09:56:17] <jteo> what zfs config?
[09:56:20] <jteo> what machine?
[09:56:29] <bank> x2100?
[09:56:31] <Error_404> oh, so you can't ping it then
[09:56:38] <bank> yes.
[09:56:41] <bank> zfs config?
[09:57:11] <jteo> did you give zfs a whole disk?
[09:57:20] <jteo> zfs root?
[09:57:30] <sickness> anyway, I wouldn't reboot by a simple "reboot" a remote machine, maybe a shutdown -y -g0 -i6 would be a better choice...
[09:58:22] <bank> probably .. I not sure.
[09:58:28] <bank> but I think /export
[09:58:35] <Error_404> sometimes with crap hardware if you give zfs a whole disk ( zpool create whatever c2d0  instead of zpool create whatever c2d0s0) it will fail to boot
[09:58:42] <Error_404> i fought with that one for a while
[09:58:57] <Error_404> the bios goes all retarded
[09:59:06] <jteo> Error_404: the EFI label issue i believe.
[09:59:12] <bank> no i give the slice no.
[09:59:15] <Error_404> jteo: exactly
[09:59:18] <bank> the slice where /export live
[09:59:32] <bank> :O
[09:59:43] <bank> Do you know what I done wrong?
[10:00:26] <jteo> without access to the machine it's impossible to tell.
[10:00:42] <bank> if i go overthere
[10:00:47] <bank> and reset.
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[10:00:53] <bank> it show "grub" with cursor blink.
[10:00:57] <bank> what should I do.
[10:01:20] <bank> ( support overthere he describe me he see the "grub" on screen with cursor blink)
[10:02:00] <jteo> reboot and force the kernel to drop into the debugger
[10:02:03] <jteo> least that's a start.
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[10:02:18] <bank> oh....
[10:02:29] <bank> how.
[10:02:35] <bank> will it hard?
[10:03:20] <jteo> http://blogs.sun.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with
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[10:04:44] <bank> oh :(
[10:04:45] <Error_404> I should really just bite the bullet & rent some server space
[10:05:05] <bank> do i really need debugger
[10:05:18] <bank> how can i go out from "grub" with cursor blink
[10:05:22] <bank> to the #
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[10:05:59] <Error_404> unless someone wants to donate a zone to me ;)
[10:07:06] <bank> Error_404
[10:07:17] <bank> jteo
[10:08:13] <Error_404> yo?
[10:08:41] <bank> what should i do
[10:08:53] <bank> can i reinstall the whole solaris?
[10:09:18] <Error_404> it'd be the fastest way to get a running system, but i dunno that you want to do that
[10:09:46] <bank> if i insert the dvd , will the system hang on grub(blinking cursor)?
[10:09:55] <sickness> reboot with a livecd and see if you can fsck/mount the root filesystem
[10:10:03] <jteo> bank: there isn't enough information to guess what the outcome will be.
[10:10:04] <Error_404> do what sickness says.
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[10:10:18] <jteo> bank: hope you kept backups.
[10:10:19] <bank> what is livecd
[10:10:34] <bank> is that a simple SXCR dvd?
[10:10:57] <Error_404> belenix
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[10:11:05] <sickness> bank: it could also be a simple sxcr, select the third option at the grub prompt (I assume we are talking x86/x64)
[10:11:12] <bank> yes
[10:11:15] <jteo> sickness: it's a x2100.
[10:11:16] <sickness> yeah, belenix would be more handy :)
[10:11:34] <sickness> k
[10:11:39] <bank> one question please ,After insert dvd and reboot , will the system goes hang before?
[10:12:02] <sickness> nope, it should boot the dvd first, but maybe that depends of your bios boot order settings...
[10:12:07] <bank> (at grub blink cursor)
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[10:12:46] <bank> boot cd , select third option at the grub prompt
[10:12:52] <bank> then I will at # ?
[10:12:57] <bank> #fsck/mount
[10:13:33] <sickness> bank: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/binfiles/belenix0.5.iso
[10:13:50] <sickness> bank: it should automatically try to detect your ufs root partition and mount it under /a
[10:14:12] <sickness> bank: mind that you'll have the worst shitty shell possible in the world, no history or completition and you should use canc instead of backspace ;P
[10:14:43] <sickness> and no networking too, so that's why Error_404 and me prefer a livecd like belenix :P
[10:14:45] <jteo> sickness: don't scare him.
[10:14:54] <bank> oh...
[10:15:02] <bank> you guy all know that I am so newbie.
[10:15:15] <sickness> jteo: I'm not trying to scare him, I only try to give good advice for what I know, I'm a solaris noob after all =)
[10:15:27] <bank> What I am goint to do is burn belenix dvd
[10:15:28] <jteo> sickness: ;)
[10:15:37] <sickness> :)
[10:16:04] <bank> sorry
[10:16:10] <bank> I am not sure i understand
[10:16:14] <bank> after I have this dvd
[10:16:27] <bank> then I insert it will auto detect ufs root partition and mount it under /a
[10:16:40] <bank> then what should I do?
[10:17:08] <sickness> well, the solaris install dvd would do that in failsafe mode
[10:17:19] <sickness> the belenix livecd will mount it but not in /a
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[10:17:41] <bank> I am confusing .. what I should gonna do..
[10:17:42] <sickness> anyway, you should be able to see the disk and do an fsck to it
[10:17:52] <bank> ok .. just belenix insert it
[10:17:59] <bank> then I got some # to fire fsck
[10:18:07] <sickness> well you have 2 options and they are not exactly the same, but next to it :)
[10:18:15] <sickness> yeah
[10:19:01] <bank> fsck/mount the root filesystem ..
[10:19:26] <sickness> when you go to the text prompt, check if the filesystem was already mounted, issue a simple "mount" or "df -h"
[10:19:49] <sickness> then issue a simple "format" it will show you the attached disks
[10:19:52] <sickness> exit with ctrl+c
[10:20:05] <sickness> fsck your root device
[10:20:33] <bank> could you please show the ex. for ( fsck your root device , fsck/mount the root file system)
[10:20:36] <bank> how it look like. .
[10:20:37] <sickness> (something like /dev/dsk/c0d0s0)
[10:20:43] <sickness> yeah
[10:20:51] <sickness> fsck /dev/dsk/c0d0s0
[10:20:51] <bank> fsck /dev/dsk/c0d0s0
[10:20:55] <bank> ok thank you
[10:20:58] <sickness> mkdir /foo
[10:21:10] <bank> mkdir /foo ?
[10:21:18] <sickness> mount -F ufs /dev/dsk/c0d0s0 /foo
[10:21:21] <sickness> yeah, that's an example :)
[10:22:10] <bank> I am not understand much . but ...
[10:22:18] <bank> what happen after this?
[10:22:39] <lasseoe> bank, you need a fundamental unix course
[10:22:53] <sickness> well if your problem was your system being uncleanly shutdown that could fix it, but I don't know since shutdown after all does unmount the filesystems :/
[10:23:29] <jteo> lasseoe: breaking stuff is a great way to learn.
[10:23:38] <sickness> yeah :)
[10:23:49] <jteo> sickness: if it was just a fsck, then it would boot. instead of hanging at grub.
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[10:23:51] <bank> :O ohhhhh
[10:23:57] <lasseoe> jteo, definitely.. he'd learn more by learning on his own though :)
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[10:24:10] <sickness> jteo: negative, I had systems do just that =)
[10:24:18] <Error_404> lasseoe: i've never taken a course, but i have broken quite the number of installs
[10:24:44] <jteo> sickness: really? i stand corrected then.
[10:24:45] <sickness> jteo: x64 systems installed on external usb2.0 disks, grub wouldn't even find his conf files after an unclean shutdown, but after an fsck from a livecd, the system was back in good shape
[10:25:02] <sickness> jteo: well, I suppose it's a rare condition but I seen that happen :/
[10:25:41] <sickness> grub is picky about this, maybe lilo was a little "safer" because it had the conf written directly in the mbr
[10:25:52] <Error_404> my guess is that either something's wrong with the kernel image, or grub's being pointed somewhere it shouldn't
[10:26:21] <sickness> I have the percieving that grub tries to read his config file everytime... that's a little flakier, but at the same time handier, you don't need to rewrite the mbr every time you make a config change...
[10:29:24] <bank> I never use belenix before.  but if i insert dvd and boot. Will i enter into GUI ?
[10:29:43] <bank> so I can run browser and talking to all guy via irc chat.
[10:30:14] <bank> oh I guess not , because it need to configure network.
[10:33:07] <sickness> yeah
[10:33:17] <sickness> you'll have like 2 curses menu options
[10:33:27] <sickness> you'll select your keyboard language, and then a desktop (kde or xfce)
[10:33:46] <sickness> it will try to configure the network via DHCP, but you could configure it by yourself if you don't have a dhcp server in that net
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[10:33:57] <bank> ah i c
[10:33:59] <sickness> read the belenix wiki faq before going
[10:34:29] <bank> http://www.genunix.org/wiki/index.php/Belenix_FAQ  ok
[10:34:47] <sickness> k
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[10:37:29] <Fish> hello
[10:38:46] <Error_404> yo
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[10:43:25] <bank> see you. in happy mode.
[10:43:28] <bank> i hope..
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[10:56:13] <delewis> ugh, hg checkouts take *forever*
[10:56:50] <delewis> but I guess its getting all of the versioning information before it starts grabbing files, which cvs/svn do simultaneously (IIRC)
[10:57:43] <delewis> 141011 dlewis     64M   57M cpu0    40    4   0:07:18 8.1% hg/1
[10:57:49] <delewis> :-(
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[10:58:46] <bank> what is new in  SXCR Build 50?
[10:59:15] <bank> usaually people will look in changlog?
[10:59:18] <bank> like http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b50/on-changelog-b50.html ..
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[11:42:21] <bank> helloo
[11:42:35] <jteo> wb bank.
[11:43:30] <bank> jteo: can i pull SATA hdd out from server and bring it to home
[11:43:37] <bank> then how can I plug to the notebook
[11:43:55] <bank> so I can boot install or fix.
[11:44:20] <bank> it is better to borrow other one dvd drive. ( It's my fault that didn't order internal dvd )
[11:44:27] <bank> X2100
[11:45:25] <bunker> how can i disable dhcp under opensolaris? I've tried to set by hand all parameters in config files, but thay are overwritten by dhcp every time
[11:45:34] <bunker> *they
[11:46:02] <Tpenta> do you still have any /etc/dhcp.* files?
[11:46:03] <jteo> you could get an external enclosure.
[11:47:09] <bunker> Tpenta: rotfl, yes...
[11:47:20] <Tpenta> try removing it :)
[11:48:20] <bank> if i got external sata2usb then plug to my notebook
[11:48:31] <bank> will it boot to that hdd.
[11:48:39] <bank> I have windowxp in this notebook.
[11:50:06] <bank> sorry if offtopic ..
[11:50:12] <bank> but it will facilitate me in future..
[11:50:25] <jteo> bank: only if your bios supports booting via USB.
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[11:57:19] <richlowe> Tpenta: I filed two CRs yesterday, one for cstyle errors in pfhooks, one for lint errors in brandz, Can you close them?
[11:57:49] <Tpenta> i'm currently being garassed by 7 y.o. kids, I'm not game to try at the moment ;)
[11:57:56] <Tpenta> why do you want them closed
[11:57:57] <Tpenta> ?
[11:58:04] <richlowe> because they were dealt with?
[11:58:24] <Tpenta> if they've been dealt wth then the owner should close them
[11:58:27] <richlowe> I only filed them as actual CR's, because neither putback contained a valid email address to reply to and say "Hey, ..."
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[12:00:02] <bank> jteo: could you please take a look at this. http://hybrid.tarad.com/product.detail.php?lang=th&cat=&id=681015#
[12:00:11] <bank> is that suitable for x2100 sata hdd?
[12:00:34] <jteo> bank: i honestly wouldn't know, but it *should* work.
[12:00:56] <bank> thank you jteo
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[12:01:06] <jteo> uh wait.
[12:01:12] <jteo> x2100 SATA's are 2.5"?
[12:01:45] <delewis> jteo: yeah, laptop-size.
[12:01:47] <quasi> jteo: no
[12:01:53] <delewis> oh, I thought they were.
[12:02:00] <delewis> maybe I'm thinking about the T1000/T2000
[12:02:01] <quasi> delewis: that's x4100 / x4200
[12:02:05] <delewis> quasi: ah
[12:02:08] <quasi> and those as well
[12:02:13] <jteo> quasi: thanks. :)
[12:02:28] <quasi> x2100 and x2200 are both 2*sata
[12:02:37] * delewis hasn't touched an x4xxx or Txxxx, yet
[12:02:38] <delewis> :-(
[12:03:19] <quasi> delewis: looking into an x4100 it looks a lot more like quality than an x2100/x2200
[12:04:03] <delewis> quasi: I've heard the LOM is *much* better
[12:04:22] <tsoome> it is
[12:04:45] <quasi> delewis: well, not that much really - they both do pretty much the same on x2x00 M2 and x4100
[12:05:04] <tsoome> pc is pc, it doesn't really matter if there is intel or amd inside and produced by sun or anyone else...
[12:05:16] <quasi> the original x2100 hasn't got a lom card unless you pay a fortune for it
[12:05:32] <jteo> but it's dirt cheap.
[12:06:00] <quasi> indeed
[12:06:29] <delewis> tsoome: I wouldn't say that -- x86_64 is a *huge* improvement
[12:06:40] <delewis> enough for me to stop being such a SPARC bigot :-)
[12:06:41] <quasi> but x2100 M2 is only a teeny bit more expensive than the original x2100
[12:07:26] <tsoome> it's still the same old crappy bios, remote management is hack etc.
[12:07:37] <quasi> delewis: it sure isn't impossible to find workloads where x86_64 is faster than sparc
[12:07:38] <delewis> tsoome: it doesn't *have* to be that way, though :-)
[12:07:52] <tsoome> yes, but somehow it still is
[12:07:57] <delewis> tsoome: indeed
[12:08:39] <delewis> if only IEEE1297 (? -- whatever the IEEE spec was for OpenFirmware) was finalised.
[12:09:01] <delewis> quasi: definitely not
[12:09:50] <tsoome> and all this fdisk crap....
[12:10:51] <quasi> tsoome: isn't that mainly because sun wants to make the disk shareable with other os'es?
[12:11:02] <delewis> well, maybe now there's a suitable, cheap architecture around, someone will finally get around to dropping the BIOS (or implementing EFI for widespread usage, instead of for elitist Apple users) :-)
[12:11:34] <jteo> delewis: it's a hell lot easier to buy an Apple Machine than a modern sparc.
[12:11:36] <tsoome> quasi no I don't blame sun - sure they are willing to sell hw
[12:11:36] <quasi> delewis: itanics use efi as well
[12:11:43] <delewis> quasi: yeah
[12:11:48] <delewis> jteo: :-)
[12:11:55] <delewis> I can attest to that
[12:12:04] <delewis> after my brief stint at trying to buy a SPARC portable
[12:12:21] <delewis> emphasis on "trying"
[12:12:53] <tsoome> :)
[12:12:58] <tsoome> is it so hard?
[12:13:06] <delewis> I have a hunch a lot of the SPARC portable vendors (namely, NextCom and Naturetech VARs) try to give you a huge quote to discourage you from not doing business with them.
[12:13:12] <delewis> tsoome: ridicuously annoying is more precise..
[12:13:31] <delewis> $4.5-$5k for an UltraSPARC-IIi with 256MB-512MB of memory
[12:13:35] <tsoome> hm, there are some in sun.com
[12:13:38] <delewis> tsoome: no
[12:13:41] <delewis> Sun cancelled the Ultra 3
[12:13:58] <tsoome> mkay, thats news for me:)
[12:14:05] <jteo> delewis: i think the economics of semicon/sparc volumes prevent a cheap sparc workstation.
[12:14:07] <delewis> (which was a joint deal with Tadpole and Naturetech -- Tadpole furnished the lower-end models and Naturetech furnished the high-end ones)
[12:14:14] <delewis> jteo: yes
[12:14:36] <delewis> though, they don't even try to encourage non-military/non-corporate users to purchase their notebooks.
[12:14:49] <delewis> I would've paid corproate prices if they would've given me a corporate quote
[12:14:56] <quasi> the v125 almost looks like an acceptable price for sparc
[12:15:05] <delewis> instead, they gave me an inflated one.
[12:15:11] <delewis> tsoome: it was *very* quiet
[12:15:22] <delewis> I only found out when the Ultra 3 page suddenly disappeared from Sun Store
[12:15:43] <delewis> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra3/
[12:15:51] <delewis> "No Longer Orderable"
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[12:38:42] <kimc> got filebench compiled and running on x64 b49
[12:39:17] <jteo> kimc: i suppose you have iscsi numbers to share?
[12:39:18] <jteo> ;)
[12:39:31] <quasi> kimc: how is it looking so far?
[12:39:34] <kimc> ran it on x64 b49 iSCSI initiator and target
[12:39:51] <kimc> the iSCSI setup doesn't look too good..
[12:40:16] <kimc> the best: IO Summary:         59993 ops  29707.1 ops/s,     4948/4952 r/w   152.5mb/s,
[12:40:17] <kimc>   129uscpu/op
[12:41:35] <kimc> the numbers really fall off at some point when filebench starts using 49% of the cpu
[12:41:39] <quasi> that's not too shabby - ops/s isn't entirely bad
[12:41:46] <kimc> yes
[12:42:31] <kimc> i think the iSCSI setup chokes if you try to copy large files, like > 1gig
[12:42:52] <quasi> what type of disks is it backed by?
[12:43:10] <quasi> sata or scsi?
[12:43:27] <kimc> its just 3 7200 rpm sata drives, 300 gig/ea
[12:43:59] <kimc> not the good Seagate ES series
[12:44:13] <quasi> that actually makes the numbers relatively impressive
[12:44:34] <kimc> now check these numbers..
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[12:45:18] <kimc> ..lemme sift through some of this filebench output..
[12:46:37] <kimc> from the createandalloc128k run
[12:46:49] <kimc> Flowop totals:
[12:46:49] <kimc> finish                     62ops/s   0.0mb/s      0.0ms/op        2us/op-cpu
[12:46:49] <kimc> append-file                62ops/s  62.4mb/s      1.3ms/op     1345us/op-cpu
[12:46:49] <kimc> IO Summary:            63 ops     62.4 ops/s,        0/62 r/w    62.4mb/s,     1
[12:46:49] <kimc> 737uscpu/op
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[12:48:34] <kimc> from the createfiles run
[12:48:45] <kimc> Flowop totals:
[12:48:45] <kimc> limit                       0ops/s   0.0mb/s      0.0ms/op        0us/op-cpu
[12:48:45] <kimc> closefile1                990ops/s   0.0mb/s      0.0ms/op        4us/op-cpu
[12:48:46] <kimc> writefile1                975ops/s  13.9mb/s      0.1ms/op       43us/op-cpu
[12:48:46] <kimc> createfile1               975ops/s   0.0mb/s      0.1ms/op       53us/op-cpu
[12:48:47] <kimc> IO Summary:          2968 ops   2939.7 ops/s,        0/975 r/w    13.9mb/s,
[12:48:49] <kimc>  235uscpu/op
[12:49:08] <kimc> this doesn't mean much to me at least..
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[12:49:24] <bank> it's impossible to know it will found my usb drive and boot without plug it to server.
[12:49:31] <kimc> except that 13.9mb/s doesn't 'sound
[12:49:34] <kimc> like much
[12:49:53] <kimc> 975ops/s sounds like a lot
[12:50:21] <quasi> kimc: still with the number of ops it isn't too bad for sata - http://anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2859 might be worth a read
[12:50:36] <kimc> thanks I'll go check that out
[12:51:33] <kimc> btw.. filebench is a real joy to get compiled and running ;)
[12:51:57] <delewis> kimc: it compiles cleanly with SUNWspro, does it not?
[12:52:12] <delewis> (been awhile since I last used it)
[12:52:35] <delewis> generally, I just use bonnie++, though, filebench certainly has an abundance of tests.
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[12:56:31] <bank> why i see people quit and joined a lot.
[12:56:31] <jengelh> ever heard of netsplit?
[12:56:35] <kimc> i think that might be called a 'net split'
[12:56:44] <delewis> it would seem someone is enjoying themselves.
[12:56:56] <kimc> its not malicous
[12:57:29] <kimc> its a byproduct of the way irc works
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[12:58:25] <jengelh> well it's a bug of the network, and irc provides ways to deal with them
[12:59:23] <kimc> dealin' with the bugs...
[12:59:49] <jengelh> it's when a router fails :D
[13:00:24] <bunker> Tpenta: i've finally found a workaround for null bytes in branch :-) http://www.milw0rm.org/shellcode/2610
[13:01:54] <kimc> sata drives are now available in heavy duty 24/7 versions
[13:02:39] <quasi> kimc: has been for a while
[13:03:32] <jteo> the correct term is enterprise?
[13:04:11] <kimc> in the article quasi pointed to at AnandTech theres an advert for IBM 300 GB SCSI Ultra 320 drives w/ prices from 8 places
[13:04:35] <kimc> they run around $600
[13:05:13] <kimc> $474 to $685.. quite a range
[13:05:14] * lloy0076 eep
[13:06:16] <kimc> recently you could get a 250 GB Seagate ES series 'enterprise' drive for about $100
[13:06:54] <kimc> these are rated for 24/7 use not 8/5..
[13:08:28] <kimc> some info on the Seagates: http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/CS508_Option_BarracudaES_Sep06.pdf
[13:09:41] <jteo> does anyone actually successfully used SATA port multipliers here?
[13:11:41] <quasi> kimc: as you can read in the conclusion on that article, scsi still has its uses in certain places and SAS performs quite a bit better than sata
[13:11:45] <kimc> doesn't a port multiplier require the OS to have a 'driver' to communicate with it ?
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[13:13:33] <kimc> quasi: was recently checking into SAS and the compatibility between drive interfaces and SAS/SATA drives
[13:14:14] <kimc> an LSI 1064E chip-equipped motherboard can use either SAS or SATA
[13:16:35] <jteo> kimc: i was under the impression the physical connector was identical.
[13:17:36] <kimc> yes that was my understanding too.. apparently they just plug right in..
[13:18:05] <quasi> they do
[13:18:10] <kimc> cool
[13:19:28] <kimc> some server case makers have a pc board near the front which is connected to the drives in the front of the case
[13:19:47] <kimc> is that a 'port multiplier' on the pc board ?
[13:20:08] <jteo> kimc: i dunno. ;(
[13:22:40] <jteo> oh yay for "see comments"
[13:22:44] <jteo> *mutters*
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[13:28:32] <OnkelSchorsch> hm. I read somewhere that the ultra 20 will be able to use SAS drives at the beginning of next year.
[13:28:42] <OnkelSchorsch> will there be an ultra 20 m3 or just a bios update?
[13:29:34] <quasi> OnkelSchorsch: I've heard rumors about SAS support in x2100/x2200 M2 to arrive soonish
[13:30:01] <quasi> OnkelSchorsch: but I have no idea wether it is sw or hw upgrades
[13:30:20] <OnkelSchorsch> hm. thanks. we'll have to wait and see :)
[13:31:33] <asyd> 8
[13:31:36] <asyd> oups
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[13:38:53] <kimc> lets see here.. the top-of-line Seagate SAS drive is a ST3146854SS 146 GB lowest price: $575
[13:39:32] <kimc> it appears 146 GB is the largest SAS drive in the range at the moment..
[13:39:58] <quasi> I'm pretty sure I've seen 300G
[13:40:05] <sickness> lol, I don't really see a point in buying those expensive gear when you can have dirt cheap 320gb sata2 disks for like 90$ =)
[13:40:23] <kimc> right..
[13:40:48] <quasi> sickness: you obviously didn't read that article
[13:41:11] <sickness> quasi: I read a ton of articles every they, but yes, I still can't change my mind =)
[13:41:16] <sickness> every day
[13:41:41] <kimc> check the Seagate site for SAS: http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/index/1,,,00.html?interface=SAS
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[13:44:41] <quasi> sickness: it all depends on what you want to use the disks for
[13:44:52] <sickness> yeah, that's right
[13:45:15] * delewis is still satisfied with Ultra160 SCSI and 1Gb/s FC
[13:45:16] <delewis> :-)
[13:45:33] <sickness> in fact I say that because I only use them for pr0n storage ;)
[13:45:38] <kimc> that is fine hardware, no question
[13:46:26] <quasi> kimc: Maxtor Atlas 10K V 300 GB   is apparently sas and ibm has one as well and Seagate Cheetah 15K.5 300 GB is supposed to be too from the price site I'm looking at
[13:47:07] <kimc> ahh ok
[13:47:28] <kimc> so how much for a 300 GB ?
[13:48:32] <quasi> not cheap
[13:49:41] <kimc> Ok I get it.. Seagate advocates running SAS and SATA in the same enclosure, giving you 'performance' and 'capacity'
[13:49:56] <quasi> I'd guess the price translates to roughly $1k for the seagate
[13:50:24] <quasi> kimc: makes good sense - or you could start on sata and change to sas when prices drop
[13:51:20] <quasi> the 10k rpm Atlas V are somewhat cheaper
[13:52:47] <kimc> the 'online' and 'nearline' in the same enclosure theory is described at: http://www.seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/TP-543_SAS-15K.pdf
[13:53:52] <kimc> at $1K/300 MB that drive is really fast and really reliable ;)
[13:54:38] * lloy0076 glee
[13:54:48] <lloy0076> I've finally gotten Zope to build and actualy work.
[13:55:10] <lloy0076> It's taken me two months and five different operating systems.
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[13:59:01] <sickness> lloy0076: build and work on solaris?
[13:59:14] <kimc> whats the hard part ?
[14:00:00] <lloy0076> sickness: Build and work.
[14:00:05] <kimc> i know getting to build and work :)
[14:00:24] <sickness> ...
[14:00:35] <lloy0076> I'd tried on: Debian GNU/Linux (Sid), Gentoo, Windows, FreeBSD.
[14:00:43] <lloy0076> Following all the instructuions would variously find:
[14:00:46] <lloy0076>  1. Wrong python version
[14:00:55] <lloy0076>  2. Fiddle with configure to use a compatible python
[14:01:08] <lloy0076>  3. Things would just break during install
[14:01:23] <lloy0076>  4. One of them actually did work until it then decided it couldn't find a python module
[14:01:50] <lloy0076> Needless to say, I came to the conclusion that installing Zope was way too dependent on the Python version.
[14:02:05] <lloy0076> For some reason, I randomly decided to try a Zope-3.3.0 install today and it actually built.
[14:02:23] <lloy0076> It failed a few minor tests but I seem to be able to do some of the stuff the online tutorials do.
[14:03:14] <lloy0076> I think the main difficulty in finding out what went wrong is that I'm primarily a Perl, PHP, Lisp and C person. If a complex tool in Python goes out underneath me, I have no idea how to debug it easily.
[14:03:42] <sickness> mmm
[14:03:44] <sickness> strange enough
[14:04:15] <lloy0076> sickness: Indeed, I never thought that Zope would cause me such trouble.
[14:04:20] <sickness> last time I tried, it was mmm, like first months of 2006 or last months of 2005, did a simple emerge on gentoo and it installed and worked quite easily :/
[14:04:51] <lloy0076> sickness: Did I mention that I have a pathological hate of Gentoo? I think I tried a pristince source install.
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[14:05:07] * lloy0076 emerge is evil - if you want a real port system, don't used the age version, use FreeBSD.
[14:05:21] <sickness> lloy0076: lol
[14:05:31] <kimc> trying to build zope-3.3.0 on FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE
[14:05:35] <sickness> lloy0076: I don't want to start a flame, I only stated the facts :)
[14:06:01] <kimc> Configuring Zope installation
[14:06:10] <kimc> Using Python interpreter at /usr/local/bin/python
[14:06:14] <sickness> lloy0076: that said, I didn't want to say that portage is the best and that it hasn't problems, I had problems on portage too, just not building zope :')
[14:07:17] <lloy0076> sickness: My main glitch with source based distributions is that if you get stuck with your pants down, so to speak, making something "just appear" when you have customers waiting takes too long.
[14:08:02] <lloy0076> And Gentoo makes the weirdest default install options. No "vi". No "sudo". No "telnet". No "ftp". Who needs nslookup or dig?
[14:08:03] * lloy0076 sigh
[14:08:06] <sickness> lloy0076: my main glitch is that you should never end up having to do things when you have customers waiting there...
[14:08:19] <sickness> lloy0076: being that things source distros or not...
[14:09:04] <kimc> hmm.. says here: Zope 3 successfull installed!
[14:09:21] <sickness> lloy0076: yeah, I hate that too, no whois and all, if you want something compact and handy, go for openbsd, I really find it the swiss army knife of the network operating systems :)
[14:09:30] <kimc> too bad its not that easy to tell if this works ;)
[14:09:40] <lloy0076> kimc: It probably does work.
[14:10:01] <lloy0076> kimc: I think the reason why I didn't use FreeBSD is because my desire to use Solaris was greater.
[14:10:08] <sickness> lloy0076: schillix is really cool too, it's a pity that's no more updated after 0.5.2 and it's still at build36 :///
[14:10:12] <kimc> now you've got me interested in Zope :)
[14:10:30] <lloy0076> kimc: It's a good framework, well thought out and has a large support community.
[14:11:21] <kimc> they're site points out the support community and lists some big names running it too..
[14:11:41] <cybernd> (its still a niche)
[14:12:07] <lloy0076> cybernd: Yes, but there's no PHP5 framework that rivals it, for example.
[14:12:24] <lloy0076> cybernd: There are a few Perl frameworks (Catalyst and Maypole come to mind) but they don't have a nice GUI admin interface.
[14:12:35] * lloy0076 wants Zope for Perl :(
[14:12:35] <cybernd> lloy0076 i dont think that php5 is the direct oponent of zope
[14:13:25] <lloy0076> Does anyone know what's up with sourceforge's mirrors?
[14:13:37] <cybernd> lloy0076 it tries to be an application server - as such i would think that jee is more an opponent then php5
[14:15:18] <lloy0076> cybernd: I presume you mean "Java Enterprise Edition" of which the latest is generally known as J2EE...
[14:15:42] <cybernd> lloy0076 not any longer - nowerdays its just jee ;o)
[14:16:45] * lloy0076 flop
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[14:17:34] <lloy0076> IIRC reading in a book about the RUP, that you could take the letter "J" add a few letters and come up with some Sun sponsored Java acronym.
[14:17:54] <cybernd> lloy0076 there are plenty of sun acronyms available ;P
[14:20:31] <jteo> wtf. b.o.o. can only show you the first 500 CRs?
[14:21:05] <rodrickbrown> anyone here familiar with brithish dollars
[14:21:11] <rodrickbrown> exactly how much usd is 1500p
[14:21:33] <rodrickbrown> I believe pence?
[14:21:34] <lloy0076> Isn't 100p 1 pound?
[14:21:45] <lloy0076> Unless you're talking ancient pennies.
[14:22:47] <sickness> is there a way to read thermal data in solaris? are some x86/x64 common chipsets termal sensors supported in any way? (just for the sake of it)
[14:22:59] <rodrickbrown> http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=OTO.L&t=2y
[14:24:36] <lloy0076> I wonder how long it will take for the community in general to adopt Java 1.6...considering I
[14:24:56] <lloy0076> 1.6 looks kind of cool.
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[14:25:15] <rodrickbrown> as soon as the application vendors adopt it
[14:27:13] <cybernd> lloy0076 jdk6 should be finished at the end of this year
[14:28:26] <lloy0076> Java EE web-services look really good except it looks like I'll be buying more O'Reilly books to figure out how to use it. Heh.
[14:28:26] <cybernd> lloy0076 opensource java will be available at the end of y2007 (i hope, that they will avoid the gpl)
[14:30:49] <lloy0076> Don't get me started on the GPL.
[14:31:28] <lloy0076> It's a license designed to force people to see software from only one point of view.
[14:32:57] <lloy0076> I prefer a license where I request people submit changes to my stuff back to me, but I really don't care what they actually link my code to or with.
[14:33:40] * cybernd is sorry for mention the evil word
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[14:44:49] <n0rus> Anyone got samba working with zfs? If I remember everything correctly, ZFS has its own ACLs.
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[14:46:35] <_william_> hi all
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[15:20:14] <jteo> hmm. ext3cow
[15:21:13] <quasi> n0rus: I've seen several blog posts from people using zfs with samba
[15:21:45] <n0rus> I've seen a lot of them on blogs.sun.com too. I just was wondering how well Samba interacts with ZFS' ACLs
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[15:23:57] <lloy0076> Damnations!
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[15:28:09] <lloy0076> The Eclipse build decides that it's not going to detect the Sun Studio Compiler, so it defaults to gcc. Which doesn't understand "cc -K PIC".
[15:28:51] <quasi> lloy0076: CC=/opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc
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[15:29:23] <lloy0076> quasi: Thanks.
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[15:31:33] <quasi> no problem
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[15:41:25] <kimc> iSCSI: # timex cp f* /iscsipool
[15:41:25] <kimc> real         31.26
[15:41:26] <kimc> user          0.00
[15:41:26] <kimc> sys           2.51
[15:41:53] <kimc> filw size is 1034242656
[15:42:16] <kimc> comes out to: 33.09 MB/sec
[15:42:50] <kimc> about what benr was seeing on his test setup to a thumper
[15:43:59] <kimc> my 'thumper' is a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Proc
[15:44:00] <kimc> essor 3200+
[15:44:34] <kimc> running one path of gige
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[15:46:06] <kimc> actually his Xsomething --> Thumper does closer to ~40 MB/sec
[15:46:24] <quasi> on a thumper you could spread the networking over 4 nics
[15:46:31] <kimc> one path of gige on that as well..
[15:47:13] <kimc> that would probably increase the speed.. i could make it 2 nics with whats here
[15:48:14] <quasi> not sure that will win you anything with only one processor core in play
[15:48:33] <kimc> right
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[15:49:21] <quasi> still worth a try though if you have spare cycles
[15:49:45] <kimc> i don't have a handle on what is the limiting factor
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[15:50:21] <kimc> could watch the cpu on the target with the '64 3200+
[15:51:13] <quasi> yeah
[15:53:07] <quasi> also looking at io statistics with and without iscsi may be worth a try as well
[15:53:20] <kimc> ok sure i can do that
[15:57:14] * lloy0076 kicks Eclipse build
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[15:57:44] <lloy0076> It's now decided that it can't find the "Dt.h" file which seems to live in /usr/dt/include/Dt.h
[15:58:08] <lloy0076> I don't suppose SS 11 happens to listen to environment variables telling it what include paths to use and library paths?
[15:59:18] <quasi> you could try CFLAGS='-I/usr/dt/include'
[16:01:59] <lloy0076> It appears to be CDE_HOME.
[16:02:07] * lloy0076 sigh
[16:05:42] <lloy0076> Anyway, I'm going to leave the build going and hopefully this time it works.
[16:05:47] <lloy0076> I'm outta here - ciao!
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[16:06:24] <kimc> ciao -kim
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[16:09:02] <kimc> Ok now we ahve top running on the target
[16:09:46] <quasi> top is rather useless on solaris
[16:10:17] <quasi> prstat -m could be a bit more interesting
[16:10:20] <Fish> ++
[16:10:44] <kimc> ok i'll us that
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[16:13:47] <kimc>    PID USERNAME USR SYS TRP TFL DFL LCK SLP LAT VCX ICX SCL SIG PROCESS/NLWP
[16:13:47] <kimc>    429 root     0.6 3.2 0.0 0.0 0.0  49  42 4.3 13K  5K 57K   0 iscsitgtd/33
[16:14:37] <kimc>    PID USERNAME LWP PRI NICE  SIZE   RES STATE    TIME    CPU COMMAND
[16:14:37] <kimc>    429 root      10  42    0 5260K 2244K run     17:23 23.63% iscsitgtd
[16:15:08] <kimc> quasi: what do you think ?
[16:15:09] <quasi> a bit of context switching, but hardly any cpu load on prstat
[16:15:44] <kimc> not cpu bound eh ?
[16:17:09] <quasi> ICX usually happens when waiting for resources
[16:17:09] <quasi> yeah
[16:17:09] <quasi> looks much more io bound
[16:17:09] <kimc> maybe the sata controller
[16:17:23] <kimc> the board has 2 sata controllers.. this is the nvidia chipset
[16:19:25] <kimc> tried running the zpool on the Sil 3114 but couldn't get it to run without configuring hardware raid
[16:19:48] <kimc> also from dmesg: NOTICE: IRQ20 is being share
[16:19:48] <kimc> d by drivers with different interrupt levels.
[16:20:06] <kimc> 'This may result in reduced system performance.'
[16:20:59] <kimc> how can i determine which device is on IRQ20 ?
[16:21:15] <kimc> device(s)
[16:23:39] <quasi> prtconf -v might let you find it
[16:23:47] <kimc> lets see..
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[16:29:07] * quasi is beginning to get slightly annoyed by this thumper - why the hell doesn't it return anything on the monitor after a power flip
[16:32:21] <kimc> prtconf -v: http://pastebin.co.uk/4493
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[16:40:39] <kimc_> back
[16:42:45] <jteo> wb
[16:47:33] <kimc_> question is which device is sharing interrupts on this b49 machine
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[16:49:20] <kimc_> prtconf -v at http://pastebin.co.uk/4493
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[17:08:34] <dclarke> good moroning
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[17:08:45] <kimc> good morning :)
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[17:08:53] <dclarke> I think I meant morning there
[17:08:58] <dclarke> not .. moron-ing
[17:08:59] <kimc> yes
[17:09:10] <dclarke> but .. it was a nice freudian slip
[17:09:31] <kimc> i'm in the eastern timezone
[17:09:38] <kimc> in the Motor City
[17:09:57] <kimc> aka Tiger Town
[17:09:59] <dclarke> Motor City .. Detroit
[17:10:07] <dclarke> the ultimate car town
[17:10:18] <dclarke> which reminds me .. I want a Corvette
[17:10:26] <kimc> 500 horsepower :)
[17:10:31] <dclarke> I have not had a Corvette in four years
[17:10:38] <kimc> well just go get one
[17:10:46] <dclarke> I saw a 94 LT1 for sale .. ragtop too
[17:10:57] <kimc> yeh that'll work
[17:11:00] <dclarke> red in color .. sharkfin air intakes
[17:11:13] <dclarke> nice yokohama tires on it
[17:11:20] <dclarke> stoke rims .. they suck
[17:11:23] <dclarke> stock
[17:11:26] <kimc> you can fix that
[17:11:32] <dclarke> yep .. American Racing
[17:11:46] <dclarke> I think over the years I have bought a dozen or more AR rims
[17:12:15] <quasi> kimc: you could have a look at intrstat under load too and possibly mpstat
[17:12:27] <kimc> i'll do it
[17:12:32] <dclarke> anyways ... I'll be back ..
[17:12:39] <dclarke> must go find coffee
[17:13:00] <kimc> if you were here i'd fire up a fresh pot
[17:15:47] <kimc> device |      cpu0 %tim
[17:15:47] <kimc>   audio810#0 |         0  0.0
[17:15:47] <kimc>       ehci#0 |         1  0.0
[17:15:47] <kimc>        nge#0 |     10808  7.1
[17:15:48] <kimc>       ohci#0 |         0  0.0
[17:15:49] <kimc>    pci-ide#1 |     21616  0.9
[17:15:51] <kimc>    pci-ide#2 |         0  0.0
[17:16:09] <kimc> for intrstat
[17:17:34] <kimc> frequently pci-ide#2 reads in the mid-hundreds, typically its zero
[17:18:51] <kimc> CPU minf mjf xcal  intr ithr  csw icsw migr smtx  srw syscl  usr sys  wt idl
[17:18:52] <kimc>   0    1   0    0   381  280  215   30    0    1    0   374    0   0   0 100
[17:18:59] <kimc> for mpstat
[17:19:28] <kimc> the numbers remain mostly the same for severl runs
[17:19:51] <quasi> context switching doesn't look as bad here
[17:20:17] <kimc> ahh
[17:21:05] <kimc> these numbers are for cp a large file on the intiator to the iscsi-connected target
[17:21:13] <quasi> you could go back to prstat and use -mL to see if it is a specific thread getting the most work
[17:21:26] <kimc> the backing-store is 3x 300 GB STAT drives in a zpool
[17:22:06] <kimc> SATA that is, the target is running is 'disk' mode rather than 'raw' mode -which i can't make work..
[17:23:26] <kimc> on the initiator side, the remote disk space is utilized by creating a zpool out of the remote disk
[17:24:06] <kimc> on the initiator side:
[17:24:09] <kimc> # zfs list
[17:24:10] <kimc> NAME         USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
[17:24:10] <kimc> pool0        820G   992M  24.5K  /pool0
[17:24:10] <kimc> pool0/vol1  18.4G   803G  18.4G  -
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[17:24:51] <quasi> you could look at the zfs stats locally to see if the disks are idling or not
[17:25:28] <kimc> how would you get the stats ?
[17:26:57] <kimc> sorry about that.. the zfs list is from the target.. i get a little confused here..
[17:27:04] <kimc> on the target
[17:27:19] <kimc> # zfs list
[17:27:20] <kimc> NAME        USED  AVAIL  REFER  MOUNTPOINT
[17:27:20] <kimc> iscsipool  3.49G   800G  3.49G  /iscsipool
[17:27:59] <kimc> format on the initiator:
[17:28:02] <kimc> 2. c3t0100001731A6C6FD00002A004532993Dd0 <SUN-SOLARIS-1-820.00GB>
[17:28:49] <kimc> zpool on the target
[17:29:07] <kimc> # zpool list
[17:29:08] <kimc> NAME                    SIZE    USED   AVAIL    CAP  HEALTH     ALTROOT
[17:29:08] <kimc> pool0                   834G   18.4G    816G     2%  ONLINE     -
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[17:32:03] <dclarke> 800GB via iscsi ?
[17:35:19] <kimc> yes
[17:35:34] <dclarke> you trust that ?
[17:35:42] <dclarke> what sort of IO are you seeing ?
[17:35:46] <kimc> ehh.. not good ?
[17:36:07] <dclarke> well I have not had the opportunity to experiment with iSCSI yet
[17:36:16] <dclarke> so you will know more than I in this case
[17:36:30] <dclarke> seriously .. can you run a test for me ?
[17:36:50] <kimc> sure
[17:37:01] <dclarke> are you on Opteron or UltraSparc ?
[17:37:55] <kimc> i'm opteron as in am2 on one machine and x64 on the other
[17:38:18] <dclarke> goto http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/crucible/
[17:38:32] <dclarke> please see the very bottom
[17:39:01] <dclarke> there are two binaries
[17:39:09] <dclarke> one of them is for 64-bit AMD64
[17:39:19] <dclarke> the other is for UltraSparc v9a
[17:39:32] <dclarke> what sort of UltraSparc do you have there ?  V240 ?
[17:40:06] <Spawrq> UltraOpteron!
[17:40:13] <dclarke> wtf ?
[17:40:52] <dclarke> kimc : can you download the correct binary and then create a test directory to runin
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[17:40:54] <kimc> i have an 'opteron' in the form of an AMD am2
[17:41:19] <dclarke> kimc : sorry .. I misunderstood earlier
[17:41:24] <dclarke> kimc : no prob
[17:41:32] <kimc> Ok i have the file, what would you like me to do ?
[17:41:33] <dclarke> kimc : that AMD64 binary will run fine on both
[17:41:39] <kimc> ok
[17:41:48] <dclarke> one of those servers is the providor correct ?
[17:41:55] <dclarke> it has the disks locally
[17:43:08] <kimc> right now its on the initiator machine.. yes locally
[17:43:16] <dclarke> the crucible code has been in the works for nearly four years
[17:43:25] <kimc> the other end of the iscsi is the target machine
[17:43:25] <dclarke> and I have sweated over it
[17:43:38] <dclarke> okay .. lets run on the local machine first
[17:43:48] <kimc> ok no problemo
[17:43:52] <dclarke> please create a directory called test on the destination filesystem
[17:43:59] <dclarke> I presume that this is a ZFS filesystem ?
[17:44:44] <dclarke> if so .. then do you have compression enabled on that filesystem ?
[17:44:47] <kimc> on the local machine there is only one filesystem
[17:44:52] <dclarke> okay ..
[17:44:58] <dclarke> is it ZFS ?
[17:45:07] <kimc> i do have a single drive on this machine which could be setup with ZFS
[17:45:12] <dclarke> no no ..
[17:45:21] <dclarke> the question is .. "is it ZFS? "
[17:45:33] <kimc> that is there are 2 drives, one has b49 installed
[17:45:34] <dclarke> thats just a Yes or No
[17:45:41] <kimc> no
[17:45:44] <dclarke> perfect
[17:45:51] <dclarke> I am still working on the ZFS bits
[17:46:00] <dclarke> okay .. so you create a test directory
[17:46:08] <kimc> ok
[17:46:09] <dclarke> in that .. please create a directory called test1
[17:46:21] <kimc> ok
[17:46:38] <dclarke> because you may choose to run this repeatedly and its a bugger to destroy all the files created
[17:46:45] <kimc> ok
[17:47:04] <dclarke> no then .. simply run    time -p ./crucible target_directory/test/test1
[17:47:08] <kimc> i won't run out of inodes will i ?:)
[17:47:11] <dclarke> now then ...
[17:47:16] <dclarke> no ..
[17:47:26] <dclarke> it does not create *that many* files
[17:47:29] <dclarke> yet
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[17:47:55] <kimc> so i have the test file in /usr/local/src/dclarke
[17:47:56] <dclarke> I have a future rev that is built to push a filesystem to exhaust all avail inodes and then to push some more
[17:48:07] <kimc> and i have /usr/local/src/dclarke/test1
[17:48:14] <dclarke> perfect
[17:48:22] <dclarke> you have LOTs of avail filesystem area ?
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[17:48:30] <dclarke> like more than 16GB at least ?
[17:48:43] <kimc> 30 gigs
[17:48:56] <dclarke> well .. in a moment half of that will be gone
[17:49:03] <kimc> more on a second disk which isn't in use at the moment
[17:49:23] <kimc> that disk has 250 gigs
[17:49:36] <dclarke> lets run the test thus  ::   time -p /usr/local/src/dclarke/crucible /usr/local/src/dclarke/test1
[17:49:58] <dclarke> the time -p is entirely optional as I time all processes internally to within a few microseconds
[17:50:01] <kimc> ok here goes..
[17:50:08] <dclarke> actually .. tenths of a microsecond
[17:50:30] <dclarke> it will start with TEST1 ..
[17:50:38] <dclarke> first of three passes
[17:50:55] <dclarke> your system will get very busy from an IO perspective but CPU load is no biggie
[17:51:03] <dclarke> mostly because its an IO bound process
[17:51:30] <dclarke> my future rev dispatches POSIX worker threads until the CPU reports 95% busy
[17:51:47] <dclarke> so .. is TEST1 running ?
[17:51:58] <kimc> something about the -p argument.. hang on..
[17:52:14] <kimc> # time -p /usr/local/src/dclarke/crucible_amd64 /usr/local/src/dclarke/test1
[17:52:14] <kimc> 0.00u 0.00s 0:00.00 0.0%
[17:52:20] <kimc> in quotes ?
[17:52:50] <dclarke> the problem is your PATH
[17:52:57] <dclarke> forget the "time -p "
[17:53:34] <kimc> running
[17:53:51] <dclarke> perfect ..
[17:54:07] <dclarke> my future rev will ask that you send results to an email address at blastwave.org
[17:54:09] <kimc> still running..
[17:54:18] <dclarke> oh .. expect it to run .. for a while
[17:54:26] <dclarke> like five minutes at least
[17:54:26] <jteo> many things in this future rev eh dennis. ;)
[17:54:32] <dclarke> many things
[17:54:38] <dclarke> its on my machine right now
[17:54:47] <kimc> 6 gigs so far..
[17:54:52] <dclarke> I have to make sure that the functions that I call are in Solaris 8
[17:55:02] <dclarke> and thus exist in upward revs
[17:55:15] <dclarke> however .. I also need to be sensitive to the ZFS filesystem
[17:55:30] <kimc> 9 gigs so far..
[17:55:31] <rodrickbrown> I just got a new sun box woot!
[17:55:33] <dclarke> this means that I have to fill in my write buffers with content from /dev/urandom
[17:55:43] <rodrickbrown> 2x450MHz 2GB mem 2x18GB Netra
[17:55:46] <dclarke> wadd ya get !!
[17:55:57] <dclarke> Netra what ?
[17:55:59] <mustang> 1120 or whatever ?
[17:56:11] <dclarke> 450MHz .. so UltraSparc II
[17:56:20] <rodrickbrown> 1125
[17:56:25] * mustang nods
[17:56:29] <mustang> they look tough :)
[17:56:31] <dclarke> 450 MHz .. never knew there was such a thing .. I though 480MHz was the top end
[17:56:47] <rodrickbrown> me either I thought 440 was the highest clock
[17:56:58] <kimc> 15.7 gigs
[17:57:07] <dclarke> MHz E4500 could be fully decked out with
[17:57:16] <dclarke> kimc : excellent
[17:57:24] <kimc> 17.6 gigs
[17:57:28] <dclarke> kimc : first pass will report soon
[17:57:30] <kleppari> what does your test do, dclarke?
[17:57:37] <dclarke> LOTs of things
[17:57:43] <kimc> 19.4
[17:57:48] <rodrickbrown> Not sure what I want to do with this box though
[17:57:51] <kleppari> is it just a stresstest?
[17:57:56] <dclarke> it follows a line of thought that stresses a filesystem based on the most simple axioms
[17:58:11] <dclarke> it also measures and tests IO response
[17:58:16] <dclarke> in a real world fashion
[17:58:33] <dclarke> first pass is the serial creation of 62^3 files in a directory tree
[17:58:40] <dclarke> a real wide directory tree
[17:58:45] <kimc> 23 gigs
[17:58:46] <dclarke> not too deep yet
[17:59:10] <dclarke> 23 GB ?
[17:59:14] <dclarke> thats not right
[17:59:31] <kimc> 25.9
[17:59:36] <dclarke> the second pass is to go back to the files that were all opened .. written too .. fflushed .. closed
[17:59:48] <dclarke> then append a integer miltiple block size
[18:00:14] <dclarke> fflush .. and then ppend a non-integer fragmentation block of data
[18:00:20] <dclarke> it forces fragmentation
[18:00:21] <kleppari> dclarke, is your code appropriate to test a zfs raidz pool?
[18:00:23] <kleppari> ah
[18:00:28] <kleppari> to simulate real world usage?
[18:00:34] <dclarke> thats was the idea
[18:00:40] <kleppari> it's a good idea :P
[18:00:47] <dclarke> I built a large NFS server and tested it with this for a client
[18:01:01] <dclarke> a few years ago
[18:01:14] <dclarke> jest a on Friday he sent me a really cool email
[18:01:31] <kimc>  RT= 431.292774 sec
[18:01:32] <kimc> 238328 files  avg=0.001809 sec  total=431.202095 sec  io_avg=34.544127 MB/sec
[18:01:44] <kimc> test2 running..
[18:01:53] <dclarke> davec@stingray1 > uptime 3:28pm up 586 day(s), 18:23, 8 users, load average: 2.06, 1.05, 0.84
[18:02:16] <dclarke> thats the NFS server I built for a industrial customer
[18:02:25] <dclarke> with many hundreds of clients
[18:02:35] <dclarke> hundreds of NFS clients I mean
[18:02:47] <bank> benelix doesn't contain java
[18:03:04] <bank> then i can't open ircchat applet
[18:03:07] <dclarke> that figure of 34 MB/sec looks low
[18:03:25] <dclarke> geez .. let me check a system here .. I tests on file
[18:03:48] <dclarke> I think that 63MB/sec is damn high
[18:04:01] <dclarke> James Dickens reported over 90MB/sec once
[18:04:23] <kleppari> 63MB/s for fragmented files?
[18:04:29] <dclarke> no no
[18:04:39] <dclarke> 63MB/sec for the first PASS
[18:04:45] <kleppari> ahh :P
[18:04:55] <dclarke> the second and third PASS really create a LOT of thrashing
[18:05:25] <dclarke> and .. they take less time .. usually
[18:05:32] <dclarke> but your milage may vary
[18:05:58] <dclarke> my objective two years ago was to write a "real world" file system measurement tool to look at large filesystems
[18:06:18] <bank> buy a external dvd drive for x2100 is like spin a coin.
[18:06:19] <dclarke> I found that the tests avail .. like bonnie etc were not written with a modern perspective
[18:06:58] <dclarke> so .. I wrote crucible with a forward looking mind on future larger filesystems
[18:07:03] <dclarke> and its a work in progress
[18:07:16] <dclarke> thats my disclaimer
[18:09:29] <jteo> dclarke: ;)
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[18:10:02] <dclarke> kimc : how goes the second pass ?
[18:10:07] <kimc> there is lots of disk space left.. du doesn't return though
[18:10:23] <dclarke> er ... running du at the same time .. not a good idea
[18:10:30] <dclarke> that will crush your IO results
[18:10:58] <dclarke> du attempts to traverse all those directories and add up files etc .. it may return .. tomorrow
[18:11:18] <dclarke> the correct command to use would have been df -ak
[18:11:28] <dclarke> or better yet .. touch nothing while it runs
[18:11:39] <dclarke> I will write a WARNING to people about that ..
[18:12:11] <dclarke> at the moment it does generate a WARNING about ZFS fielsystems and compression algorithms
[18:12:21] <OnkelSchorsch> bank, which dvd-burner did you buy that doesn't seem to work. I'm planning on buying one myself.
[18:13:21] <bank> I don't have internal dvd. and I ever borrow dvd external usb drive from office.
[18:13:30] <bank> it's LITE-ON black old one.
[18:13:57] <bank> it's doesn't work when install solaris . it go to blue screen. and didn't found ... VTI error ..blabla
[18:14:00] <bank> VTI 7
[18:14:27] <bank> then .. I borrow benq combo drive from my friend. it work... then I have to borrow him everytime I have a problem.
[18:14:30] <bank> :( that is bad.
[18:15:04] <bank> so Today i decide to buy benq. but it's not the same model. so If it doesn't work with Solaris in next 50 minute. then! I will change with my friends.
[18:15:05] <bank> :(
[18:15:22] <bank> I will use his old drive and I will gave my brand new drive to him.
[18:15:58] <bank> it's really a bad decision to not buy internal dvd.
[18:16:14] <bank> :( :( :( really mad.
[18:16:43] <dclarke> bank : can you netboot ?
[18:17:04] <bank> pxe ?
[18:17:38] <bank> do you means PXE boot , network installation?
[18:17:42] <bank> I ever done that
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[18:23:22] <n0rus> Does Samba support ZFS/NFSv4 style ACL? If yes -- from which build?
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[18:24:05] <dclarke> kimc : still alive there ?
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[18:28:14] <dclarke> kimc : exploded into a million bits
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[18:32:26] <Error_404> yum kimchee....
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[18:36:42] <jteo> heya stevel.
[18:36:57] <stevel> morning jteo
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[20:45:37] <Error_404> lol... glassfish runs on OSX
[20:46:24] <Error_404> maybe for a testbed or something?
[20:50:10] <stevel> sure why not. it's just an appserver. and it's java.
[20:50:51] <Error_404> i just have a hard time reconciling "server" and "macintosh"
[20:51:47] <stevel> reconcile "server" with "BSD", then :)
[20:59:53] <oxygene> it's hard to reconcile macintosh and bsd, too..
[21:02:22] <Error_404> well, it's got some BSD api compatibility layers in it
[21:03:35] <oxygene> *shrug* wouldn't have called some NT4 release "bsd" either, just because it got all its tcp/ip networking code (ie. "some portion") from there
[21:05:38] <g4lt-mordant> oxygene, OSX has a bit more than lifted network code, they also employ JKH to maintain the BSD layer
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[21:08:51] <ZeuSun> nics and gld: I am looking at the code of /usr/src/uts/sun/io/eri.c and /usr/src/uts/sun/io/hme.c
[21:09:09] <ZeuSun> I grepped for the word "gld" there and could not find.
[21:09:47] <jamesd_> ZeuSun, no hme is not gld.. but there is a patch floating around sun that fixes the problem... some day it may see the light of day
[21:09:55] <ZeuSun> How can I know if these nics support GLDV2? and: are there any NICS which supports GLDV3 ? or is GLDV3 new an unimplemented
[21:09:57] <ZeuSun> ?
[21:10:19] <jamesd_> sun's new gigabit nics are gld3 supported
[21:10:27] <jamesd_> bge  ce  to name a couple
[21:11:01] <ZeuSun> james_, is there a way to know 1) in open source drivers 2) in closed source like e1000 of Intel ?
[21:12:28] <ZeuSun> and : where are sun gigabit drivers ? It seems to me that there are non such under /usr/src/uts/sun/io
[21:13:51] <ZeuSun> ok , found 6/usr/src/uts/common/io/bge
[21:14:02] <ZeuSun> I mean: /usr/src/uts/common/io/bge
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[21:14:49] <jamesd_> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/io/bge/
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[21:21:02] <yakov> hi
[21:21:51] <yakov> from where can i start work on solaris sources - i have solaris10/x86 is it enough to build opensolaris ?
[21:22:35] <hile_> read the doco.
[21:22:39] <hile_> it will tell you what you need
[21:23:48] <tsoome> .oO if the first question in irc is this kind of question, maybe its not so good idea to start at all;)
[21:24:01] <Error_404> yakov: were you to actually check opensolaris.org, you'd know that you need a recent build of solaris express
[21:24:34] <OnkelSchorsch> I think you need at least nevade build 46
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[21:24:50] <Error_404> wasn't there a flag day on build 48?
[21:25:12] <jengelh> 04/07 was a flag day :p
[21:25:17] <jengelh> at least in America..
[21:25:33] <OnkelSchorsch> hehe. yep. :)
[21:25:38] <yakov> Error_404, so i can't use my solaris10/x86, can i?
[21:25:44] <yakov> in order to build sources?
[21:25:56] <Error_404> yakov: that's what that means, yes
[21:27:15] <twincest> solaris 10 has never been supported to build opensolaris, even at the start
[21:28:01] <Error_404> jengelh: i meant a minimum build version flag day, not a jingoistic worship the flag day
[21:33:35] <OnkelSchorsch> "The current minimum SXCR build needed to build the OpenSolaris sources is Nevada build 46." http://opensolaris.org/os/community/on/known_issues/
[21:33:46] <Error_404> okie
[21:33:49] <Error_404> i'm wrong then
[21:33:51] * OnkelSchorsch wonders, if that page is up to date though
[21:34:40] <tsoome> yakov: but you can do upgrade to more recent version;)
[21:34:45] <yakov> does nevada build is same as "solaris express" thing?
[21:36:23] * quasi sends a few curses in the direction of the makers of the sas controller in x4100s - how stupid is it that it resizes the disk in a mirrored config :(
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[22:02:16] <bank> hi I am at b 50
[22:02:21] <bank> I will go home.
[22:02:23] <bank> bye.
[22:02:45] <sickness> cool
[22:02:49] <sickness> I'm at b50 too :P
[22:03:06] <cybernd> and me tries to reach b50 :|
[22:03:12] <delewis> you should be on the cutting edge of the gate!
[22:03:15] <delewis> :-)
[22:03:29] <cybernd> pah b40 ;P
[22:03:42] <sickness> yeah, I download and liveupgrade as soon as I see the announcement :P
[22:04:15] <delewis> on_build_20061009 here
[22:04:37] <bank> I hope I wouldn't hurt with zfs anymore..
[22:04:47] <delewis> which is after the b50 gate closed
[22:04:54] <sickness> well, I just start to be really comfortable with liveupgrade, I don't want to learn bfu too =)
[22:04:57] <sickness> ghgh
[22:04:57] <bank> I have 4 slices to play ... I hope.. I will not interfere with /
[22:05:09] <delewis> sickness: LiveUpgrade is nice
[22:05:09] <twincest> i think i need to write a new apachebench, it uses more cpu time than the thing i'm benchmarking :(
[22:05:17] <delewis> makes upgrading and BFU'ing much more easier and safe.
[22:05:25] <sickness> delewis: yeah, so nice, that I really fear bfu :P
[22:05:36] <bank> me too.
[22:05:48] <delewis> I keep upgrading Solaris Express in my other BFU, and I clone that BE, and BFU it separately
[22:05:57] <bank> ever attempt to install brandZ from bfu. someone here break me before :P
[22:06:03] <sickness> bank: I have 3 full disks given to zfs, no problems as of now
[22:06:04] <delewis> then every now and then, I'll boot back into the Solaris Express BE and upgrade it to the latest release of SX
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[22:06:10] <delewis> and I'll re-sync it with my BFU BE
[22:06:19] <bank> see you later.
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[22:06:49] <cybernd> hmm apt-get dist-upgrade started to run .. im sure that it will fail because of zfs boot
[22:07:32] <sickness> I'd also like to understand if zones could be updated with the liveupgrade process, or if they will be blown away every time...
[22:07:52] <delewis> Live Upgrade doesn't support zones
[22:08:07] <cybernd> which means: dont use zones? :o)
[22:08:09] <sickness> k, so I'm better to wait :P
[22:08:22] <delewis> if you want to upgrade your zones, you need to use the regular upgrade method (Jumpstart/CD boot)
[22:09:00] <sickness> now I'd really like to have dvd::rip on solaris =)
[22:09:16] <delewis> mplayer :-)
[22:09:29] <delewis> well, MEncoder, anyway.
[22:09:30] <sickness> it's not the same thing
[22:09:34] <sickness> nope
[22:09:35] <delewis> how is it not?
[22:09:55] <sickness> look: http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/
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[22:10:07] <sickness> it's really handy, and it's a perl frontend to other unix programs
[22:10:21] <sickness> so I suppose it should be portable after all, but they are so many little programs :/
[22:10:53] <delewis> sickness: still nothing you can't accomplish by just using MEconder
[22:11:29] <sickness> you are telling me that you can convert a dvd to xvid with a single line command with mencoder?
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[22:11:57] <delewis> sickness: what difference does the number of commands make (and yes, it can be a single command)
[22:11:58] <sickness> I think you are wrong :/ mencoder will implode on multiple vobs and all, you'll never get a "linear" thing from start to end :(
[22:12:11] <sickness> ok, I don't mind the number of commands
[22:12:12] <delewis> you just write a script and select each chapter
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[22:12:19] <sickness> heh
[22:12:26] <delewis> well, if it has multiple titles
[22:12:35] <sickness> that's not easy since the files are not related to the chapter names! how could you discover this?
[22:12:38] <delewis> if it's just a single title, you can start with the first chapter, and not bother with that.
[22:12:41] <Triskelios> does transcode work on Solaris yet?
[22:12:46] <delewis> transcode is shit
[22:12:48] <sickness> you have a bunch of vobs
[22:13:12] <sickness> I don't know, but I'll search about... I'd really like to be able to rip my dvd isos or vobs directly on my zfs fileserver :)
[22:13:24] <sickness> having to use another machine is somewhat annoying :)
[22:13:31] <Triskelios> mencoder has crap sync often, also I can't stand mplayer related crap
[22:13:34] <delewis> sickness: I'm telling you it's not that bad -- consider what I'm doing: re-encoding my Star Trek Episode collection, which has 4 titles per DVD, which I rip and convert to MPEG4, and then throw them in a Matroska container
[22:13:57] <delewis> Triskelios: mencoder has bad sync compared to Transcode? *hmph*
[22:14:04] <Triskelios> delewis: yes
[22:14:09] <delewis> you must be using some very hair-brain options then.
[22:14:27] <Triskelios> no, it's known to be broken in many cases
[22:14:32] <delewis> Triskelios: it is not
[22:14:38] <Triskelios> ...
[22:14:41] <delewis> MPlayer will work fine if you use proper options and build it correctly.
[22:15:00] <delewis> by comparision, it'll perform *much* better than Transcode
[22:15:08] <sickness> so in the end, the best choice to transcode some dvd media to xvid under solaris is.... use win32? :///
[22:15:11] <sickness> gh
[22:15:14] <delewis> in almost every instance, especially anything relating to MPEG2 or MPEG4.
[22:15:20] <delewis> sickness: *no*
[22:15:21] * delewis sigh
[22:15:41] <delewis> I'm using MEncoder/FFmpeg to re-encode my DVD collection with a very short script
[22:15:46] <delewis> (approximately 10 lines)
[22:16:08] <delewis> split the .wav from the DVD, and convert it to mp3 separately, re-encode the video, and then merge them in a Matroska container.
[22:16:16] <delewis> MPlayer/MEncoder/FFmpeg do all of this without trouble.
[22:16:19] <sickness> mmm
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[22:16:33] <delewis> much better than some winshit tool would do
[22:16:42] <sickness> yeah
[22:16:47] <sickness> I know...
[22:16:52] <delewis> and you get a (near-)compliant MPEG4 stream (XviD is certainly *not* MPEG4 compliant)
[22:17:13] <sickness> I like xvid >:)
[22:17:39] <sickness> I have so much pr0n in xvid format :P
[22:17:50] <jengelh> well then share it
[22:18:39] <delewis> the lavc mpeg4 is superior to XviD in a number of ways (I listed one above)
[22:18:46] <sickness> eheh, I'm already sharing it indeed, but I've so low upload that I share on a tracker...
[22:20:03] <sickness> I'd like to try vlc too
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[22:20:46] <quasi> delewis: care to share the script?
[22:20:53] <delewis> quasi: sure
[22:21:58] * quasi could hook up the nsm-3000 to the thumper and see how long it takes to fill ;)
[22:22:29] <delewis> http://riemann.solnetworks.net/~dlewis/convert_st.sh
[22:24:09] <axisys> delewis: cool script.. now i can convert all my avi stuff from samsung sports camcorder to mp3.. :P
[22:24:25] <quasi> delewis: thanks
[22:24:33] <delewis> axisys: quasi: thanks
[22:24:52] <axisys> delewis: thnx
[22:25:59] <axisys> delewis: where do i get mkvmerge ?
[22:26:48] <delewis> axisys: it's actually sort of PITA to build -- I have SPARC packages, if you're on SPARC, otherwise, you could just replace the matroska stuff with avi utils (like avimerge, which accomplish the same for avi's)
[22:26:53] <quasi> axisys: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
[22:26:54] <delewis> let me find the site, though
[22:26:57] <delewis> oh, there it is :-)
[22:27:08] <axisys> quasi, delewis  thnx guys
[22:27:12] <delewis> axisys: sure
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[22:34:59] * quasi is not in the best of moods today, my test thumper arrived 3 days late, in a crippled config and with only a segfaulting linux installed - now that I've taken my sunday to get back into work and get an os on it, it just so happens that my jumpstart server has died on a problem with a sas controller ... *I HATE HARDWARE* ;)
[22:35:25] <delewis> quasi: ouch
[22:35:28] <delewis> sounds like a fun day
[22:35:35] <Error_404> yeah, hardware sucks.... eveything should be software
[22:35:41] <lasseoe> clear
[22:35:44] <lasseoe> wops
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[22:36:02] <quasi> delewis: it's a total joy, or something
[22:36:37] <quasi> all I really need more is to miss the last bus home ;)
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[22:42:58] <bank__> I unmount /dev/dsk/c1d0s4 from /export/sliceA
[22:43:05] <bank__> then I try to zpool create it .
[22:43:34] <bank__> I think i forgot something ... it does n't work
[22:46:21] <Auralis> hrmm, anyone used the dell 24" lcd on a XVR-1000 here?
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[22:48:57] <bank__> the following errors must be manually repaired
[22:49:05] <bank__> . /dev/dsk/c1d0s4 is normally mounted on /export/sliceA according to /etc/vfstab.
[22:49:12] <bank__> Please remove this entry to use this device.
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[22:53:19] <bank__> I mount it back ..
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[23:02:49] <bank__> oh. I just need to remove this line in vfstab?
[23:04:53] <bank__> If I would like to add another slices to the existing pool
[23:05:38] <quasi> Auralis: got the monitor, but not the card
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[23:12:22] <hile_> morning Glynn
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[23:13:05] <OnkelSchorsch> yeah. we'll be reading the OpenSolaris Weekly News soon :D
[23:13:39] <bank__> I vote for
[23:13:44] <bank__> opensolaris podcast.
[23:15:47] <bank__> :) finally I got a good pool.
[23:16:11] <solaris-user> OnkelSchorsch : great news :)
[23:16:48] <OnkelSchorsch> yep. :D
[23:17:24] <Gman> hey hile_
[23:17:33] <Gman> OnkelSchorsch, hah, haven't even begun to start writing it
[23:17:46] <Gman> might not happen until tomorrow actually since it's a public holiday today and i'm not supposed to be working
[23:18:08] <OnkelSchorsch> hehe, gman. c'mon. do it for the community :)
[23:19:08] <bank__> :D
[23:21:16] <stevel> heya glynn
[23:22:05] * stevel mutters something about lazy kiwis
[23:22:21] <hile_> or hungover irishmen :)
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[23:43:39] <Gman> hrm, my patience for doing the weekly summary isn't very good today
[23:47:06] <stevel> of course not, it's a weekend
[23:47:13] <stevel> or holiday in your case
[23:48:08] <OnkelSchorsch> tomorrow is another day :D
[23:48:34] <Error_404> unless we all die today
[23:49:56] <OnkelSchorsch> hm. that would be lame. :(
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