[00:01:47] <sommerfeld> it's a dynamic kernel
[00:01:55] <jengelh> if you like to call it that way
[00:02:40] <richlowe> ah ok, krtld loads unix, and unix's dependencies, then hands control to unix, which loads anythig else.
[00:02:45] <richlowe> that's close enough to what I said, I guess.
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[00:06:33] <twincest> intel's software profiling tool is a 400MB downlad... and here i was thinking studio was a little bloated
[00:06:36] <astinus> in the installer, is there any way to just mark all dependencies?
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[00:12:25] <gdamore> can anyone think of a way to do bitwise math in the installer, _without_ invoking adb?
[00:12:33] <gdamore> s/in the installer/in the shell/
[00:12:47] <elektronkind> perl?
[00:12:51] <gisburn> ksh93
[00:12:56] <gdamore> gak.
[00:12:58] <gdamore> (on both counts)
[00:13:01] <gisburn> gak ?
[00:13:07] <jengelh> gdamore: I found the place I need to patch
[00:13:08] <gisburn> gak=?
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[00:13:17] <elektronkind> I take it you don't want to exec something
[00:13:18] <rydis> dc, perhaps?
[00:13:21] <gdamore> as in, i don't want to have either ksh93 or perl.  this is for a minimal netbsd.
[00:13:26] <gdamore> maybe dc.  i'm gonna lok
[00:13:29] <gdamore> look
[00:14:13] <gisburn> gdamore: one of the points of ksh93 in solaris is that the (default) shell has all simple math support build in, including floating-point and complex operators
[00:14:27] <gdamore> yes, i understand that.
[00:14:30] <gisburn> actually we upgraded ksh93 to C99 status this year
[00:15:05] <gdamore> hmmm.... maybe awk/nawk.
[00:15:07] <gisburn> gdamore: because this is the main reason for either stupid stunts a la "bc"/"dc" or rewriting everything in perl/phyton - which is an overkill
[00:15:31] <gdamore> i understand.  i wrote a fairly complete jumpstart front end in dtksh years ago.
[00:15:48] <gdamore> i converted a lot of code to use ksh builtins.  it was a lot faster than normal add_client
[00:15:58] <gisburn> yep
[00:16:02] <gdamore> i did the same fix for patchadd, too.
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[00:18:02] <gdamore> nope, not awk.
[00:19:00] <wraith> Hi all.When I try to apply recent patches to my Opensolaris build 38, it says that "version of package xxx in patch xxx differs from the package installed on the system"
[00:19:03] <Spawrq> YACCCCC
[00:19:11] <alanc> gisburn: 6484637: Graphical installer does not allow IPv6-only operation
[00:19:24] <wraith> what's wrong?
[00:19:45] <alanc> wraith: there are no patches for builds of Nevada - you should be able to install patches for unbundled products like Sun Studio, but Solaris 10 patches can't work
[00:20:20] <wraith> mmm and how should I fix security problems?
[00:20:28] <sommerfeld> upgrade to a newer opensolaris build
[00:20:39] <gisburn> alanc: thanks! :-)
[00:20:46] <gdamore> unplug network?
[00:20:59] <wraith> sommerfeld: It's the only way?
[00:21:14] <Tpenta> well you *could* use bfu
[00:21:25] <sommerfeld> yes.  patches are never generated for the current solaris development build
[00:21:32] <Tpenta> but kinda screws things if you want to use update in the future
[00:21:41] <alanc> bfu only helps if the security problems you're trying to fix are only in ON
[00:21:49] <Tpenta> true
[00:21:54] <alanc> sadly, some of the rest of us have occasionally security holes too
[00:22:11] <Tpenta> we really need to get update_nonon out there working from a dvd image
[00:22:14] <astinus> Is it relatively easy to live upgrade from SX to SXCR?
[00:22:31] <wraith> I tested recent sploit for libsnpr and it works....so I'm a bit worried
[00:22:35] <sommerfeld> astinus: assuming you've reserved a slice for an alternate BE: yes.
[00:23:10] <astinus> sommerfeld: I have a ZFS root now, so am hoping that will work nicely.
[00:23:31] <astinus> Tabriz had a nice guide on it :)
[00:23:45] <sommerfeld> err, live upgrade hasn't been taught about zfs yet
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[00:24:07] <astinus> hm.
[00:24:09] <T0aD> lo all
[00:24:23] <T0aD> open solaris is a free to use version of solaris for x86 ? :)
[00:24:33] <alanc> Solaris is free to use for x86
[00:24:36] <twincest> solaris has been free to use for both x86 and sparc for ages
[00:24:46] <twincest> opensolaris includes some source code and stuff
[00:24:47] <alanc> OpenSolaris is the open source release of the source code to the next version of Solaris
[00:24:47] <T0aD> 'ages' *ahem* :)
[00:24:59] <alanc> at least two years 8-)
[00:25:04] <astinus> >12 months
[00:25:30] <T0aD> those last 2 years I was on linux :)
[00:25:32] <alanc> or maybe almost 2 years - I guess it was January 2005
[00:25:51] <astinus> sommerfeld: So were I to go about this right, I need two / slices?
[00:25:52] <gdamore> ahah.  ksh seems to have bitwise operators
[00:26:05] <T0aD> very very interesting
[00:26:15] <T0aD> I might be interested in ZFS :)
[00:26:42] <T0aD> Im still looking for the perfect grid FS and someone pointed zfs to me
[00:28:31] <astinus> sommerfeld:  I'm doing installs now, kinda messed up the last one - partitioning was horrible.  Its a very different layout to your standard Loonix, so I'm having comprehension issues :P
[00:30:18] <gisburn> alanc: was there a patch to make dtksh IPv6 capable ?
[00:30:36] <gisburn> alanc: I rember something like that... but I am not sure...
[00:30:44] <gisburn> s/dtksh/Solaris dtksh/
[00:31:50] <alanc> I don't remember dtksh having any networking code that needed to be IPv6 capable
[00:32:00] <gisburn> alanc: umpf
[00:32:11] <gisburn> alanc: ksh93 has networking support since the beginning.
[00:32:29] <gisburn> alanc: david korn wrote a inetd in ksh93
[00:32:30] <alanc> I didn't know that
[00:32:36] <gisburn> alanc: And I wrote a rss reader
[00:32:46] <alanc> I knew the new ones did, but not dtksh-era
[00:32:51] <alanc> but you're right
[00:33:01] <alanc>  4729959: Changes need to be implemented to make dtksh IPV6 aware
[00:33:17] <gisburn> alanc: is there a way to get that patch ?
[00:33:18] <alanc> fixed in S10, patches made for S9
[00:33:35] <alanc> should be on sunsolve
[00:33:40] <gisburn> erm
[00:33:43] <gisburn> source patch
[00:33:48] <alanc> oh, that,
[00:33:57] <alanc> buy a S10 source cd
[00:34:10] * gisburn implodes
[00:34:27] <alanc> or try going through channels
[00:34:38] <alanc> I like my job too much to give out CDE source code on my own
[00:34:47] <gisburn> heh
[00:34:50] <gisburn> ok... :-)
[00:34:58] <alanc> especially not the doubly-encumbered (TOG & AT&T) dtksh
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[00:38:14] <alanc> looking at the changes, they are small and all seem obvious - probably just everything flagged by the IPv6 socket scrubber tool that used to be on sun.com - search for AF_INET/in_addr and make it work with AF_INET6/in6_addr, etc.
[00:40:26] <gisburn> alanc: erm... did someone adjust the ksh93-internal name conversion functions ?
[00:40:42] <gisburn> strtoipv4 ?
[00:40:50] <gisburn> etc.
[00:41:27] <alanc> I don't have that level of detail
[00:41:54] <alanc> I have a context diff which doesn't identify which functions the calls being changed are in
[00:41:59] <alanc> (diff -C, not diff -urp)
[00:42:00] <gisburn> alanc: I hope the authors of the patch tested whether that really works with IPv6 addresses.
[00:42:45] <alanc> I imagine they did since they had a list of test cases
[00:42:51] <gisburn> ah
[00:42:53] <gisburn> ok
[00:43:09] * gisburn looks at his club...
[00:43:26] <alanc> unfortunately, those were in the public_html of someone who doesn't work here anymore,
[00:43:32] <alanc> so I can't see what they were
[00:44:14] <gisburn> TOG had a dtksh test suite which covered networking support, too.
[00:44:34] <gisburn> Unfortunately they sold that test suite as an extra item and not everyone bought it.
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[00:45:35] <gisburn> alanc: was the fix developed by Sun or TOG ?
[00:45:57] <gisburn> since HP did similar fixes to their dtksh
[00:45:58] <alanc> Sun
[00:46:01] <gisburn> heh
[00:46:06] <gisburn> parallel evolution
[00:46:10] <gisburn> =:-)
[00:46:21] <alanc> I don't think Sun got fixes from TOG for anything but security holes after CDE 1.0.10
[00:47:00] <alanc> certainly I never saw any code sharing to or from TOG when I was doing CDE release engineering
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[00:53:20] <gisburn> stevel: can you read http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=bash&defs=&refs=&path=&hist= ?
[00:53:32] <stevel> ah crap
[00:53:33] <gisburn> stevel: I get "Error: access denied (java.io.FilePermission /opengrok/data read)"
[00:53:38] <stevel> why the hell is it using grok2
[00:53:39] <stevel> damnit
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[00:54:08] * gisburn hacked the box and OWNES stevel now... =:-)
[00:54:33] <stevel> i'm in the process of rebuilding one of the OpenGrok servers and i guess the load balancer is still pulling it in
[00:54:40] * stevel thought he had taken it out of the load balancer
[00:54:45] * gisburn watches stevel starting to chase him with an axe
[00:54:51] <jengelh> WOHA
[00:55:02] <jengelh> dmake -j 2 on UTS => 256 MB swap used
[00:55:15] <stevel> gisburn: should be fixed now
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[00:56:14] <jengelh> do I really need poold?
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[00:57:09] <jengelh> Note to self: Don't compile kernel under debug kernel.
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[01:00:36] <gisburn> jengelh: what is the problem ?
[01:01:10] <jengelh> Directly after booting, about 109 M of swap are used
[01:01:18] <gisburn> heh
[01:01:23] <gisburn> jengelh: just swap ?
[01:01:30] <jengelh> well, I suppose the regular memory is full also!
[01:01:43] <jengelh> starting the compile just makes lots of disk IO
[01:01:48] <gisburn> jengelh: or is it using memory, too ?
[01:01:50] <jengelh> and swap numbers in `top` rise
[01:02:17] <jengelh> i'll just bump the vm memory so I finish this in time...
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[01:03:27] <jengelh> Memory: 400M real, 164M free, 61M swap in use, 644M swap free
[01:03:31] <jengelh> Memory: 400M real, 141M free, 83M swap in use, 620M swap free
[01:03:42] <jengelh>  ah I think this is because of the parallel booting...
[01:04:07] <jengelh> i still don't like the numbers
[01:06:48] <alanc> it must be Friday afternoon - the busiest e-mail thread is the debate on whether it's appropriate to use the F-word in public blogs
[01:07:17] <jengelh> Jew?
[01:07:26] <jengelh> (this is a classic)
[01:07:45] <richlowe> alanc: of course it is.
[01:08:03] * stevel is one of the guilty culprits
[01:08:12] <richlowe> if I can say fuck, why shouldn't you? :)
[01:08:29] <richlowe> stevel: and you certainly don't count, your blog isn't on b.s.c :0
[01:08:35] <richlowe> ':)', damnit.
[01:08:48] <alanc> I can get away with it, because no one knows who I am - the debate was started by the Register making fun of Tim Bray using it in his
[01:09:02] <alanc> when he called project blackbox "Fucking amazing"
[01:09:03] <stevel> richlowe: :) nobody cares if i do or don't. it's tim bray
[01:09:05] <jengelh> free speech means fuck is allowed
[01:09:22] <jengelh> as long as it's 'justified'
[01:09:30] <alanc> there's a difference between "allowed" and "appropriate"
[01:09:31] <astinus> There aren't many 3 year olds reading Tim's blog, so who cares? *grin*
[01:09:32] <gisburn> alanc: which reminds me I still have to think about the interview request by Ashlee...
[01:10:42] <gisburn> alanc: He wants to make an interview about the topic whether Sun is still able to modernise it's OS or whether all hope is lost (re: ksh93-integration takes ages)
[01:11:04] <alanc> ksh93 is a horrible example
[01:11:15] <alanc> I integrated Xorg faster than you have ksh93
[01:11:25] <alanc> and made it the default on x86
[01:11:32] <gisburn> alanc: yeah, and some people from Redhat making lots of fun out of the story
[01:12:16] <alanc> ksh93 has gotten bogged down in a bunch of areas by being the first big external project, so you had to wait for Plocher to invent a way to have open ARC cases and for everyone to learn how those would work
[01:12:21] <richlowe> alanc: it's a marketing coup, it shows you're all human, and "just like us", or something. ;)
[01:12:45] <Error_404> i remember when i was a  4 year old reading corporate product announcements
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[01:13:01] <richlowe> But if niagara2 launches to full page spreads with nothing but a photo and "Hot fucking damn!", I expect royalties for that idea. :)
[01:13:26] <astinus> richlowe, I'd think it'd be "Cool shit" not "Hot fucking damn" esp. considering they're trying to promote how little heat it generates :P
[01:13:41] * gisburn is still worried about the interview request
[01:14:02] <alanc> and how is an OS with ZFS and dtrace not modern already?
[01:14:35] <gisburn> alanc: I think many people have a good point that updating the core components of the OS takes too long.
[01:14:36] <astinus> they'll whine about zfsroot not being here yet, and use that as justification for claiming Sun is stuck in the dark ages with UFS
[01:14:38] <gisburn> FAR too long.
[01:14:58] <gisburn> ZFS was released to early. It#s not even ready for production usage yet.
[01:15:17] <elektronkind> and projects. and mpxio. and rbac. and smf
[01:15:19] <pizdec> oh shit , we just put it into production!
[01:15:22] <elektronkind> gotte modern?
[01:15:37] <astinus> pizdec, :P
[01:15:46] <gisburn> Holger made a good writeup between various filesystems, inclduing ext3fs, UFS, VxFS, ReiserFS and ZFS.
[01:15:53] <gisburn> ZFS was the 2nd worst one.
[01:16:05] <richlowe> Feel free to file CRs.
[01:16:08] <PerterB> worst by what measure?
[01:16:19] <Error_404> yeah, what a pile of crap it is... linux won't even read it
[01:16:24] <elektronkind> gisburn: url auf english?
[01:16:27] <pizdec> it had absence of corruption and errors
[01:16:31] <gisburn> PerterB: performance and reliability.
[01:16:55] <gisburn> elektronkind: it'll be published as a magazine article later this year AFAIK
[01:17:00] <elektronkind> ah
[01:17:16] <PerterB> well, I've seen how the performance can suck on IDE, but reliability wise it seems fine
[01:17:28] <gisburn> PerterB: not if you get a kernel panic
[01:17:36] <richlowe> but but but, if your data is toasted zfs tells you!
[01:17:39] <pizdec> will it be LinuxWorld magazine gisburn ?
[01:17:50] <richlowe> so clearly that's awful, because *we all* prefer silently corrupt data.
[01:17:53] <gisburn> pizdec: no, AFAIK HPCblablamagazine
[01:18:18] <elektronkind> it's also critical to know if this was a recent version of zfs with all those fixes or not
[01:18:24] <elektronkind> (which he used to test with)
[01:18:43] <gisburn> elektronkind: Solaris 10 update xyz+patches
[01:18:56] <elektronkind> that's zfs + no fixes then
[01:18:57] <gisburn> I don't know exactly
[01:19:05] <PerterB> no-one I know who has used zfs in real-world production-like scenarios has experienced a single panic
[01:19:37] <pizdec> i AM panicking already
[01:19:42] <pizdec> :)
[01:20:02] * astinus tackles pizdec before he gets to the "switch back" lever in his operations room.
[01:20:34] <richlowe> I've experienced numerous panics (none directly zfs's fault, and only one even vaguely involving zfs), and my data is still just fine.
[01:20:39] <pizdec> gotta go install NTFS all over
[01:20:46] <elektronkind> it's kind of disingenuous to lay a verdict on a piece of software before it even has its first patch cycle
[01:21:29] <elektronkind> but maybe I'm biased :)
[01:22:01] <PerterB> elektronkind: to be fair, once it hits FCS it should be rock solid
[01:22:17] <elektronkind> in terms of stability, yes. which I think is proven
[01:22:28] <PerterB> oh, there I agree :)
[01:22:28] <elektronkind> performance, however, is another story (and aspect)
[01:22:58] <gisburn> elektronkind: yes, and stable data throughtput, a point where ZFS is extremely weak.
[01:23:04] <elektronkind> so it'll be interesting to see what this paper keys in on in terms of the deficiencies
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[01:23:26] <PerterB> I'm sorry, can you explain in what ways zfs is weak at stable data throughput?
[01:23:31] <gisburn> elektronkind: the benchmarks vary around 15-20% around a value, based on  random ZFS internals.
[01:23:52] <richlowe> and file CRs.
[01:24:15] <gisburn> richlowe: I don't have the data. Holger Berger+ZAM did the evaluation.
[01:24:23] <richlowe> ... then ask them to.
[01:24:25] <jengelh> gdamore : Any instant idea why all the qi_ function pointers in struct qinit <sys/stream.h> don't have any arguments?
[01:24:26] <elektronkind> PerterB: there's issues with zfs when acting as a backing store on nfs and iscsi target servers. these have been/will be fixed, but the patches for solaris 10's zfs rev have not been released (they are in testing now, however_
[01:24:33] <jengelh> oh asleep :)
[01:24:39] <richlowe> but if you know enough to complain about the problems in here, one would expect you to know enough to file a reasonable bug.
[01:25:13] <PerterB> elektronkind: yeah, I'm aware of that... I have a couple of X1's that get slagged by the similar issues (to use the word in the bug report)
[01:25:15] <elektronkind> oh, bugs have been filed. other people have beaten me to the punch, even
[01:25:28] <PerterB> it's not a common case though
[01:25:37] <richlowe> elektronkind: that was aimed at gisburn :)
[01:25:40] <elektronkind> oh :)
[01:25:55] <elektronkind> so anyway, I registered solaristutorials.com last night
[01:26:06] <astinus> elektronkind, cool :)
[01:26:15] <richlowe> elektronkind: backing iscsi with files on zfs, or a zvol, btw?
[01:26:25] <richlowe> elektronkind: there's certainly a known issues or two with zvol performance.
[01:26:29] <elektronkind> going to make a site for papers and howtos (very clear, very concise ones) on how to do things in solaris
[01:26:54] <elektronkind> richlowe: zfs (non-zvol) ... iscsitgt wors fine under ufs
[01:27:04] <elektronkind> it's a known bug.
[01:27:29] <elektronkind> I think having to do with mmap in some way
[01:27:36] <gisburn> richlowe: I just try to stay out of the line of fire until the ksh93-integration project did it's putback. I have my burden and right now I am STARVED from doing anything because the "FCS quality all the time" policy causes another project holdup for another bunch of months.
[01:28:04] <gisburn> We're lucky if we see a putback by Q3/2007
[01:28:09] <elektronkind> what the heck is a FWARC ?
[01:28:19] * elektronkind checks his onnv-notify mailbox
[01:28:27] <stevel> alanc: i think the "f- word on a blog" thread is at its end now
[01:28:54] <alanc> elektronkind: FirmWare ARC
[01:29:04] <elektronkind> gotcha
[01:29:17] <alanc> OBP, RSC, etc
[01:29:29] <elektronkind> yeah, I see sun4v got some TLC today.
[01:29:35] <gisburn> alanc: what is RSC ?
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[01:29:40] <elektronkind> thanks steve for Hg!
[01:29:45] <alanc> Remote System Console
[01:29:48] <elektronkind> remote system console
[01:30:11] <elektronkind> it predates the ALOM on sparcs. you can find it on e250s and such.
[01:30:29] <stevel> elektronkind: :) t'was the whole tonic team
[01:31:26] <elektronkind> well it certainly is awesome not to have to wait until tuesday nights to try a new fix (or find out what has been fixed :)
[01:34:13] <stevel> i'll let you in on a secret
[01:34:37] <stevel> my only reason for putting the Hg repository out was so richlowe would stop hassling me and calling me a slacker when i was late or delayed on the tuesday deliveries
[01:34:58] <astinus> hahah
[01:35:34] <gisburn> stevel: can't you release B51 now, please ?
[01:35:38] <astinus> stevel:  I saw a tonne of blogs trumpeting the new Hg repo this morning, was it announced officially last night?  (I know its been in the /topic for a couple of days)
[01:35:43] * gisburn waves with the word "slacker"
[01:36:02] <stevel> gisburn: not yet, hasn't been officially closed yet
[01:36:03] <alanc> great, now hassling me about setxkbmap will move higher up richlowes list...
[01:36:16] <richlowe> nope.
[01:36:23] <richlowe> I actually have it built for everything at this point.
[01:36:40] * gisburn growls in stevel's direction
[01:36:41] <astinus> how can pkg-config now be locatable \o/
[01:36:45] <richlowe> stevel: oh, and screw you. :)
[01:37:00] <stevel> astinus: i believe i announced it wednesday - i suppose it takes people a day or two to catch up on list traffic :) but the announcement went to #opensolaris first, yeah
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[01:37:31] <stevel> richlowe: :-D
[01:37:56] <alanc> oh, hey, I guess it's time for me to add the build 51 bugs to the X changelog
[01:38:15] <richlowe> alanc: though it doesn't work happily on sparc, but neither does JDS, so I gave up on that in general for a while.
[01:38:17] <AbeFroman>
[01:38:40] <gisburn> alanc: do the SPARC X11 drivers released this week include OpenGL support ?
[01:38:51] <pizdec> thanks for everything, good bye
[01:38:55] <pizdec> y'all
[01:38:57] <alanc> I don't know - I haven't grabbed the tarball to see what they put in
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[01:38:59] <astinus> see ya
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[01:39:17] <alanc> it should just be the current nevada driver packages I think
[01:39:20] <Gman> stevel, get him back by proposing him to join psarc as the first external member :)
[01:39:34] <stevel> gman: rofl!
[01:40:22] * gisburn looks for sickness
[01:40:38] <alanc> ah yes, nv_51 includes the critical fix of mapping the blank key on the Unix Type 5/Type 6-non-USB keyboard to XK_Blank keystm
[01:40:41] <stevel> hey hey. the packet filtering hooks someone was always asking about in here went in
[01:40:48] * gisburn prepares a rope, a chair, a tree and a towel for himself
[01:40:49] <alanc> (since there was no XK_AnyKey)
[01:41:37] * Gman doesn't want to know what kinky shit gisburn is into
[01:42:01] <stevel> lol
[01:43:04] <gisburn> Gman: just arguing what may be the best solution to get rid of the burden of by life
[01:43:13] <gisburn> s/by/my/
[01:43:24] * gisburn curses his typos when making bad jokes
[01:43:28] <gisburn> xx@@@!!!
[01:43:58] <alanc> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/changelogs/changelogs-nv_50/ updated now for nv_51 - /usr/openwin/sfw/lib R.I.P.
[01:43:59] * Gman gives gisburn a chill pill
[01:44:09] <Gman> alanc, sweet, nice work! :)
[01:44:16] <gisburn> alanc: hurray
[01:44:34] * stevel cheers
[01:44:52] <alanc> still have to move freetype out of /usr/sfw/lib though
[01:45:54] * gisburn hates waiting
[01:46:25] * gisburn counts his fingers.... five... ten... fifteen, twenty...
[01:46:55] <alanc> you have twenty fingers?
[01:47:08] <elektronkind> he must be a chimp
[01:47:09] <alanc> I don't remember seeing that many last time I saw you
[01:47:10] <gisburn> alanc: I'm counting the things on my feet, too.
[01:47:26] <alanc> ah
[01:47:36] <gisburn> alanc: I am idle... waiting for Glenn to provide a fixed ast-ksh package with a fixed getconf
[01:47:51] <gisburn> and waiting drives me mad
[01:48:10] * gisburn strangles elektronkind for fun
[01:48:29] <elektronkind> don't you even think about flinging poo at me
[01:48:40] * gdamore thinks gisburn has issues with violence.
[01:48:58] * gisburn flingpings winnie-poo at elektronkind
[01:49:59] <gisburn> gdamore: what ? Me ? No. It's usual here that we beat people to death using clubs. Its a cultural habit here in europe.
[01:50:12] <jengelh> I prefer spades over clubs.
[01:50:26] <astinus> presumably solaris supports e1000g bonding?
[01:50:42] <gisburn> mhhh, bondage....
[01:50:48] * astinus grins
[01:51:09] <gisburn> e1000g ethernet SM ?
[01:51:12] <astinus> yeah
[01:51:23] <gisburn> wrong channel
[01:51:30] <elektronkind> astinus: 802.3ad  bonding?
[01:51:41] <elektronkind> astinus: last I checked, it did.
[01:51:46] <gisburn> This channel is deticated to quick&painfull executions by komodo dragons
[01:51:51] <astinus> elektronkind, load balancing, two links, for (hopefully) up to 2Gbit throughput
[01:52:20] <gisburn> astinus: which kind of machine ?
[01:52:31] <astinus> gisburn, its not a Sun chassis
[01:52:41] <astinus> gisburn, motherboard is a Supermicro X6DA8
[01:52:52] <gisburn> astinus: which CPU ?
[01:52:59] <astinus> 3Ghz xeons
[01:53:07] <astinus> so x64
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[01:53:11] <gisburn> astinus: how many ?
[01:53:26] <astinus> two, plus the joke that is hyperthreading
[01:53:37] <gisburn> uhm
[01:53:39] <elektronkind> astinus: well, that means you can use two things with e1000g... IPMP if you want failover and outbound load-sharing to one (or more) switches, or 802.3ad, which is both inbound and outbound failover/sharing but only to one switch (if the switch supports 802.3ad as well)
[01:53:44] <gisburn> astinus: hyperthreading is no joke
[01:53:56] <astinus> gisburn, I've never seen much performance enhancement having it enabled.
[01:54:01] <gisburn> astinus: depending on the application it may be helpful
[01:54:04] * astinus nods
[01:54:11] <gisburn> astinus: it depends on the applications
[01:54:49] <gisburn> astinus: I've heard the story of a good improvement of a single socket xenon where the nfs server was bound to one strand and the rest to the other
[01:55:00] <gisburn> sounds weired
[01:55:03] <astinus> i'm going to have to try that
[01:55:17] <astinus> thanks ... i'd not have considered it
[01:55:19] <astinus> :)
[01:55:20] <elektronkind> thread migrations are expensive I guess
[01:55:56] <elektronkind> I'm sorry... wrong terminology... "LWP migrations..."
[01:56:46] <gisburn> astinus: hint: see psradm for interupt bindings.
[01:57:02] <gisburn> astinus: it may be another idea to bind interupts to idle CPUs
[01:57:08] <gisburn> (just an idea)
[01:58:28] <gisburn> elektronkind: LWP migratins on a HT CPU should be low profile
[01:58:37] <gisburn> elektronkind: it's the same CPU and the same cache
[01:59:10] <elektronkind> ah, good point
[01:59:17] <gisburn> elektronkind: it may become nasty if you have giant caches and the LWP jumps between sockets
[01:59:20] <elektronkind> I forget that HT is a faux core
[01:59:29] <gisburn> elektronkind: erm, no.
[01:59:44] <gisburn> elektronkind: thing about niagara with only two threads per core.
[01:59:57] <gisburn> s/thing/think/
[02:00:08] <astinus> niagara is scary, i got one for testing last month
[02:00:23] <astinus> 8-core 1.2GHz model, omfg it was nippy
[02:00:59] <astinus> i tried to persuade the guys I was working for to keep it, and use it for the backend to their Sun Rays
[02:01:09] <gisburn> astinus: erm
[02:01:24] <gisburn> astinus: using niagara1 as sunray backend is suboptimal
[02:01:56] <astinus> gisburn, they currently use a U10 as their backend
[02:02:03] <gisburn> oh
[02:02:04] <astinus> gisburn, anything is more optimal :P
[02:02:04] <gisburn> ok
[02:02:11] <elektronkind> that's really slumming it
[02:02:33] <astinus> gisburn, presumably you're referring (mostly) to the presence of only one FPU on the processor?
[02:02:41] <gisburn> astinus: yes
[02:05:05] <gisburn> alanc: ping!
[02:05:16] <gisburn> alanc: can CDE in nevada run in TrustedSolaris mode ?
[02:05:29] <alanc> yes
[02:05:37] <gdamore> niagra in general is slower at single threads.  not just fpu.
[02:06:02] <alanc> S10U3 & Nevada has Trusted Extensions support for both CDE & JDS
[02:06:42] <alanc> for end users, either one should work fine - for admins, not all the admin guis have been ported from CDE to JDS yet
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[02:08:51] <kimc> hey Gman
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[02:18:44] <richlowe> hey, pfhooks went back, the dude who keeps asking about them can finally be happy.
[02:19:10] <Gman> hey kimc
[02:20:21] <trs81> Gman: can you access the jds svn repo without an ssh key? even a web ui would be ok
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[02:21:24] <richlowe> I thought anon@ should work for svn too?
[02:21:37] <Gman> trs81, yes
[02:21:49] <Gman> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/jds/documents/requesting_svn_account/
[02:21:53] <Gman> details the anon stuff
[02:22:45] <trs81> ah, I was looking at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/tools/scm/svn_help/
[02:23:06] <Gman> richlowe, pity the heads up message wasn't posted to an opensolaris list :(
[02:23:30] <richlowe> Gman: pfhooks?  Yeah, I don't know what's happening with that.
[02:23:37] <richlowe> when I asked about getting the heads-ups sent out, they said "after the hg stuff".
[02:23:43] <Gman> heh
[02:23:48] <richlowe> I'm not sure if that was *all* the hg stuff, or some of it, or ...
[02:23:56] <richlowe> and since I'm supposed to not bug stevel... ;)
[02:24:03] <Gman> i can mail darren and see if he can post it to opensolaris.org
[02:24:15] <Gman> although actually
[02:24:16] <richlowe> Gman: it's on the heads-up page, obviously.
[02:24:17] <Gman> now that i think of it
[02:24:18] <richlowe> just not on a list.
[02:24:20] <Gman> yeah
[02:24:27] <Gman> was about to say :)
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[02:24:42] <richlowe> but checking that page over and over is way more annoying than glancing at mail :)
[02:24:49] <Gman> dduvall, post the heads ups to the list! :)
[02:29:58] <gisburn> Gman: which heads ups ?
[02:30:08] <Gman> the pfhooks stuff
[02:30:10] <gisburn> "ups he lost his head" ?
[02:30:14] <gisburn> ah
[02:30:22] <gisburn> Sad. No beheading today.
[02:30:34] <Gman> no reason not to cc an opensolaris.org list if it effects open code
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[02:31:04] <richlowe> It's not a matter of 'the pfhooks stuff'.
[02:31:11] <richlowe> all the headsup to on-all, etc, should go to opensolaris.org.
[02:31:19] <richlowe> (via mail, as well as that page)
[02:31:38] <alanc> we can't even get them to post to non-ON people inside Sun, and now you expect them to go outside?
[02:31:50] <richlowe> it's also not a question of whether they touch open code, but a matter of whether they cause outside people to have to take specific action.
[02:32:08] <richlowe> they could touch solely another consolidation, or usr/closed, but in a way that still requires it being passed along.
[02:32:35] <richlowe> alanc: Yes, it'd solve both problems at once, for a start ;)
[02:33:16] * Gman started taking an interest in ON since opensolaris.org went live
[02:38:00] <stevel> funny
[02:38:09] * stevel started taking an interest in JDS since you guys went live on opensolaris.org :)
[02:42:24] <Gman> heh
[02:42:38] <Gman> we're loose husseys
[02:42:43] <Gman> we'll corrupt your processes :)
[02:43:13] <gisburn> literally
[02:43:21] <gisburn> =:-)
[02:43:55] <trs81> Gman: hmm, can't see any patches to fix http://jhbuild.bxlug.be/builds/2006-10-17-0008/logs/libxml2/#build in your svn - any ideas?
[02:44:05] <Gman> looking
[02:44:12] <coffman> yeah!
[02:44:15] <Gman> ahh, we don't host libxml2
[02:44:17] <trs81> ah
[02:44:18] <Gman> that's based in sfw
[02:44:27] * Gman finds link
[02:44:48] <Gman> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/sfw/usr/src/lib/libxml2/
[02:44:57] <stevel> hrm... glassfish runs opengrok quite nicely
[02:45:14] <stevel> neat
[02:45:49] <Gman> sweet
[02:45:56] <Gman> are we running glassfish on opensolaris.or
[02:45:57] <Gman> g?
[02:46:11] <elektronkind> so, what's the long-term plan re: /usr/sfw (particularly certain denizens of /usr/sfw/lib) ? or is there one yet? :)
[02:46:14] <stevel> gman: http://oss-grok2.opensolaris.org:8080/source/
[02:46:34] <stevel> (that's my rebuild of one of the OpenGrok servers deployed on Glassfish/snv_45)
[02:46:38] <stevel> gman: we're currently using Tomcat
[02:46:49] <richlowe> doesn't look to be working that nicely to me.
[02:46:50] <coffman> this new pdf export drive me nuts
[02:46:51] <coffman> ffs
[02:46:54] <stevel> http://whacked.net/2006/10/20/glassfish-goodness/
[02:46:59] <Gman> stevel, nice
[02:47:00] <stevel> richlowe: the URL will only work for people on-SWAN
[02:47:06] <coffman> i gues this is the wrong channel
[02:47:07] <coffman> sry
[02:47:12] <coffman> n8 even
[02:47:14] <richlowe> stevel: I figured, just being sarcastic.
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[02:47:20] <stevel> richlowe: punk
[02:47:21] <stevel> :-P
[02:47:24] <elektronkind> why just SWAN?
[02:47:34] <richlowe> also, opensolaris.org URL's that only work on SWAN is a concept so broken I can't even find words right now.
[02:47:44] * gisburn commits suicide and goes to bed
[02:47:45] <elektronkind> yeah, really
[02:47:46] <richlowe> ask me tomorrow, and I think I'll have my cussing in order.
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[02:47:49] <Gman> elektronkind, it's just a testbed
[02:47:56] <Gman> with less red tape ;)
[02:47:57] <stevel> richlowe,elektronkind: it's a cheap way of letting me stage things without the public hammering on them
[02:48:11] <richlowe> stevel: so's some internal machine.
[02:48:12] <Gman> richlowe, that is pretty evil
[02:48:15] <richlowe> stevel: opensolaris.org != sun.com
[02:48:20] <elektronkind> diplomatically speaking, that shouldn't become a habit.
[02:48:25] <Gman> indeed.
[02:48:42] <stevel> richlowe: but staging on an internal SWAN machine isn't the same as staging it in the external cage where it needs to access data (like the database) on opensolaris.org
[02:48:43] <elektronkind> or you're going to fuel my next "too much sun" post to osol-discuss :)
[02:49:08] <richlowe> stevel: I can understand some of the reasoning, I still think it's a bad idea though.
[02:49:18] <stevel> elektronkind: think of it this way.  if and when we have non-Sun people helping us maintain these machines and deploy all this stuff, then they would certainly be able to access the stuff to.
[02:49:34] <rodrickbrown> anyone here did any tuning with linux for high volume mulitcast traffic?
[02:49:36] <stevel> i don't know when that will happen though
[02:49:44] <elektronkind> I'm leaary of that "if" par, stevel
[02:49:46] <rodrickbrown> s/linux/solaris
[02:49:49] <elektronkind> s/par/part
[02:49:54] <Gman> it's definitely be 'when'
[02:49:59] <Gman> it *has* to be
[02:50:06] * stevel agrees with Gman
[02:50:22] <Gman> stevel needs to get back to kernel hacking
[02:50:26] <trs81> Gman: no relevant patches in sfw libxml2 - where should I file bugs?
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[02:50:45] <stevel> elektronkind: i understand you're leary - but trust me, i have no desire to be running these machines forever
[02:50:50] <Gman> trs81, using a different version than in sfw?
[02:50:52] <Gman> i assume head?
[02:51:09] <alanc> elektronkind: the long term plan for /usr/sfw is to move everything out of it that doesn't conflict with something already in /usr/bin or /usr/lib
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[02:51:36] <richlowe> trs81: bugs.opensolaris.org, assuming it's a bug in the distribution of it, rather than upstream.
[02:52:02] <trs81> Gman: yeah, 2.6.26 vs 2.6.23 in sfw
[02:52:27] <richlowe> library/libxml, I guess.
[02:52:34] <Gman> diff nanohttp.c
[02:52:40] <Gman> and see if there are any differences
[02:52:51] <Gman> it's probably just the case of adding a header
[02:52:58] <alanc> so GNU tar won't replace /usr/bin/tar, but there's no reason we can't have /usr/bin/wget or /usr/bin/zsh
[02:53:13] <richlowe> alanc: GNU tar won't replace usr/bin/tar, because schily would explode.
[02:53:18] <alanc> that too
[02:53:28] <richlowe> I personally don't think tar should either.
[02:53:41] <richlowe> uh, star, that is.
[02:53:43] <alanc> we could have /usr/bin/gtar someday though
[02:53:47] <trs81> Gman: hasn't changed in 10 months
[02:53:55] <alanc> or /usr/bin/gcc
[02:54:06] <richlowe> /usr/bin/[gs]star is fine, I think either of them being 'tar' isn't.
[02:54:07] <g4lt-mordant>  /usr/bin/geetar
[02:54:10] <elektronkind> well, I'm not grumbling about /you/ per se, it's really about the "well is opensolaris really community or is it Sun-first" image. *I* know sun is being honest and it's about the community, but to people not so familiar (and worst,editorial writers) may not be so convinced... hence why I sigh deeply when things *appear* to be Sun-first.
[02:54:13] <Gman> trs81, ok, then there's definitely something wrong in the build that's tricking it up
[02:54:25] <Gman> trs81, what sun studio compiler are you using?
[02:54:29] <trs81> 11
[02:54:36] <elektronkind> just sayin'
[02:54:54] <elektronkind> it's a tight rope to walk in these young days, I know
[02:55:05] <alanc> /usr/sfw/lib/libgtk needs to die though
[02:55:08] <stevel> elektronkind: agreed - i'm aware of it - we're really fighting hard to avoid things being Sun-first
[02:55:29] <richlowe> yeah, to be double clear, I'm sure not picking on stevel here. :)
[02:55:33] <Gman> trs81, might be something in the sfw makefiles that's adding an appropriate cflag
[02:55:38] <stevel> richlowe: yeah right ;-)
[02:56:09] <trs81> Gman: ok, I'll have a look
[02:57:14] <stevel> but at least in this case (staging the new webapp), it's really a technical decision - not an opensource/opencommunity decision
[02:58:11] <Gman> trs81, laca might be able to help too - he might have seen it before
[02:58:53] * laca scrolls back
[02:59:00] * Gman loves how marilyn speaks for christian all the time
[02:59:02] <Gman> very funny.
[02:59:03] <trs81> laca: http://jhbuild.bxlug.be/builds/2006-10-17-0008/logs/libxml2/#build
[02:59:37] <stevel> gman: PM taken to the extreme
[02:59:38] <stevel> :-P
[02:59:48] <stevel> i suppose i should probably go load that shouldn't i
[02:59:55] <Gman> stevel, :)
[03:00:11] <alanc> okay - that just looks wrong... X11/lib/modules/drivers/amd64/i810_drv.so
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[03:04:01] <laca> trs81: hmm...  doesn't ring a bell
[03:05:25] <laca> trs81: oh, if you look at the full log, you can see things like:
[03:05:26] <laca> "/usr/include/arpa/nameser_compat.h", line 78: cannot find include file: <machine/endian.h>
[03:05:31] <laca> that doesn't look good
[03:05:31] <trs81> yeah
[03:06:44] <trs81> #ifndef BYTE_ORDER
[03:06:44] <trs81> #if (BSD >= 199103)
[03:06:44] <trs81> #include <machine/endian.h>
[03:06:53] <laca> yeah, just looking at that
[03:07:12] <laca> defining BYTE_ORDER should fix it
[03:08:22] * laca wonders where BSD is defined
[03:10:20] <stevel> 'night guys. have a great weekend
[03:10:25] <laca> i see -I/usr/ucbinclude in the build log, it's not a good idea
[03:10:26] <richlowe> stevel: g'night.
[03:10:31] <richlowe> stevel: get drunk and celebrate ;)
[03:10:45] <stevel> i will - i should be at least buzzed in about 45 minutes
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[03:14:46] <trs81> laca: I recall needing it for some reason .. I'll see how I go without it
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[03:15:47] <trs81> the real question is why is BIND_4_COMPAT defined
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[03:20:01] <trs81> oh, it's defined at the top of nameser.h
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[03:50:54] <axisys> my named is keep crashing randomly.. how do i run it debug mode ?
[03:51:06] <axisys> this is how I am running it
[03:51:20] <axisys> named -c /etc/named.conf -t /dns -u named
[03:51:54] <axisys> i am running BIND 9.3.2-P1
[03:52:27] <gdamore> OMG,  I just discovered something horrible, awful about NetBSDs' NFS implementation
[03:56:22] <Error_404>  ?
[03:57:44] <alanc> can it be worse than Linux NFS?
[03:59:49] <Error_404> it could be...
[03:59:54] <delewis> gdamore: it doesn't comply with some facet of the specification? :-)
[03:59:57] <Error_404> it could be windows' implimentation
[04:00:13] <delewis> actually, what's shipped in SFU isn't that bad.
[04:00:15] <alanc> it's so bad it's left gdamore speechless
[04:00:22] <delewis> I would consider it of higher quality than the Linux implementation.
[04:00:50] <delewis> which whenever performance is in question, safety is sacrificed (lazy writes and locks)
[04:01:09] * astinus screams
[04:01:24] <astinus> *shit*
[04:01:29] <Error_404> yeah, but linux is full of locks all over the place that shouldn't exist
[04:01:31] <alanc> and they left out the higher security modes, which leads Linux users to claim NFS is insecure
[04:01:39] <Error_404> it still has a few places where BKL is used
[04:02:03] <delewis> Error_404: it's widely known that the Linux NFS implementation takes shortcuts with respect to writing
[04:02:20] <Error_404> undoubtedly
[04:02:32] <delewis> which is why you often see performance tests that show the Linux NFS implementation is faster, when it's really throwing safety out the window.
[04:03:02] <rodrickbrown> its also unstable as hell
[04:03:03] <Error_404> gotta get those numbers up
[04:03:10] <rodrickbrown> nfs on linux only works well on netapps
[04:03:16] <rodrickbrown> with there slew of custom patches
[04:03:37] <delewis> well, it's analogous to not only throwing the baby out of bathtub, but throwing the baby into a bathtub full of acid, and thus there's no need to throw the baby out.
[04:04:46] <IRC_Travalar> hello
[04:05:11] <MadMethod> maybe you could just sell the old decrepid bathtub and put your baby in a brand new safe reliable fast CIFS bathtub :)
[04:05:41] <astinus> omfg......... my SATA controller just died and likely took 1.8TB of data with it.
[04:05:56] <rodrickbrown> wow
[04:06:00] <rodrickbrown> all that porn
[04:06:01] <rodrickbrown> gone
[04:06:17] <Error_404> astinus: i doubt it took your data with it
[04:06:24] <solaris-user> how can i show with ls the absolut path of files?!?!?!?
[04:06:32] <astinus> Error_404, it may as well have done. it was a fakeraid implementation of RAID-5
[04:06:33] <MadMethod> unless it had 1.8tb of cache :\
[04:06:38] <astinus> Error_404, therefore controller dependant
[04:06:53] <Error_404> oh... then perhaps... that was pretty dumb using fakeraid, now wasn't it?
[04:06:56] <astinus> Error_404, controller no longer works, I have no way to mount those disks
[04:07:03] * astinus sighs
[04:07:08] <Error_404> buy a new controller?
[04:07:12] <MadMethod> astinus: so they locked you into buying the same brand to save your data :) smart of them
[04:07:25] <astinus> $300 for a new controller, fantastic.
[04:07:28] <Error_404> raidz for the win i suppose
[04:07:45] <delewis> it's time to exercise that warranty you were promised :-)
[04:07:50] <Error_404> what's funny is i pronounce that "raid-zee", but ZFS as "zed-eff-ess"
[04:07:53] <astinus> curious how it failed as the data was being NFS'd over to Solaris :P
[04:08:05] <Error_404> astinus: it sensed it
[04:08:08] <astinus> delewis, you mean the 12 month warranty that ran out ~4 months ago? :P
[04:08:13] <delewis> astinus: ouch :-)
[04:08:28] * astinus is very unhappy and will be writing angry e-mails
[04:09:25] <solaris-user> how can i show with ls the absolut path of files?!?!?!?
[04:12:25] <Error_404> man ls
[04:12:40] <astinus> and don't repeat the question - we heard you the first time :X
[04:14:27] <astinus> solaris-user:  ls -ld $PWD/*
[04:14:31] <Error_404> or just pwd(1)
[04:15:20] <astinus> Error_404:  the reason I was migrating the data was I didn't like this card's proprietary driver and knew I'd run into a f*cktonne of problems if it ever died :P   (plus it was a damn good excuse to learn Solaris and ZFS)
[04:15:36] <astinus> Error_404: looks like I'm stuffed until this card is RMA'd, at the very least :(
[04:15:53] <Error_404> fwiw, zfs is pretty sweet
[04:16:18] <elektronkind> what ind of card?
[04:16:33] <rodrickbrown> are their specific patches for Solaris Express?
[04:16:47] <Error_404> rodrickbrown: ?
[04:16:52] <rodrickbrown> or must you live upgrade to the latest each time
[04:17:01] <Error_404> you could bfu
[04:17:16] <rodrickbrown> could or must?
[04:17:31] <rodrickbrown> theres' no 11_Recommended.tar?
[04:17:33] <rodrickbrown> is their
[04:17:48] <rodrickbrown> there
[04:17:56] <Error_404> i don't even know what you're asking
[04:19:34] <rodrickbrown> do you even use solaris sheesh
[04:19:49] <rodrickbrown> for solaris 11 aka Express
[04:19:59] <rodrickbrown> does sun release cluster patches like they do for 10 OE ?
[04:20:07] <rodrickbrown> or must you do live upgrade each time
[04:20:08] <rodrickbrown> is what i'm asking
[04:20:31] <Error_404> live upgrade of bfu... pick one
[04:21:09] <solaris-user> astinus:  and fi i have some sub-directories??????
[04:21:18] <solaris-user> this is my problem :)
[04:21:58] <astinus> elektronkind, Highpoint RocketRAID 2220
[04:22:07] <elektronkind> Error_404: a brick factory upgrade?
[04:22:20] <Error_404> heh
[04:22:29] <Error_404> i've never had problems
[04:25:06] <alanc> rodrickbrown: Solaris 11 isn't released yet so there are no patches for it and no 11_Recommended.tar
[04:25:20] <alanc> you have to do an OS upgrade of some sort between builds
[04:25:35] <rodrickbrown> alanc yeah that's what I figured just wanted to make sure
[04:26:48] <alanc> patches can only be built against a specific package revision, and every package revision changes with each biweekly build, so we'd have to build 50 versions of each patch depending on which of the 50 Nevada builds so far you wanted to start patching against
[04:26:55] <alanc> just not worth it for a development release
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[04:56:01] <BlessBoss> hello there
[04:56:08] <BlessBoss> any body in here?
[04:56:25] <BlessBoss> any body live here?:D:D
[04:56:52] <movement> nope
[04:56:59] <BlessBoss> hey there
[04:57:08] <BlessBoss> how is it gonig?
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[05:06:39] <BlessBoss> helllllllllllo
[05:12:11] <alanc> it's late Friday or early Saturday in most of the world - really bad times to find people here
[05:13:00] <astinus> BlessBoss, you're also up very early.
[05:13:11] <rodrickbrown> everyone is out having sex
[05:13:14] <rodrickbrown> and getting drunk
[05:13:42] <hile_> except those of us who don't drink
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[05:36:02] <boyd> jmcp: Just dropped in to congratulate you on your latest post and on the events that inspired it.
[05:36:43] <bank__> yes I am
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[05:42:40] <bank__> saturday morning.
[05:47:42] <bank__> everybody going out an having sex?
[05:47:43] <bank__> :D
[06:01:17] <jteo> ?
[06:02:51] <bank__> jteo
[06:03:10] <bank__> why don't remove old sjsws in opensolaris..
[06:03:17] <bank__> and replace with new glassfish.
[06:03:38] <bank__> it use the same "asadmin"
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[06:22:34] <steleman> hiya
[06:22:41] <steleman> (everyone)
[06:24:21] <jteo> heya steleman
[06:24:28] <steleman> hi jteo
[06:26:38] <jerome__> gdamore around?
[06:27:53] <jerome__> I'm starting to like this opensolaris thing
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[06:44:28] <elektronkind> jerome__: don't bother with it. it's overrated
[06:44:54] <elektronkind> next year you won't even see a hint of it on the runways in paris
[06:46:26] <jerome__> doh
[06:53:08] <astinus> alanc, you still awake?
[06:54:32] <jerome__> I also like the fact that upon install there's only one tcp port open, port 22
[06:54:59] <jerome__> not like 56 ports open with useless services, rlogind, ftpd, etc.
[06:55:06] <jerome__> or whatever
[06:55:13] <jerome__> they somewhat thought about it
[06:55:22] <jerome__> I guess things have changed since solaris 2.5.1
[06:56:14] <richlowe> that actually only changed very very recently.
[06:56:17] <richlowe> (snv_42)
[06:56:22] <jerome__> interesting
[06:56:56] <elektronkind> yeah, turning off X server on tcp/6000 surprised a lot of people too
[06:57:10] <astinus> richlowe: i'm curious - i have two PCIe graphics cards in this workstation .. both are nVidia .. both are the same model. One is connected via the x16 slot, the other is on a x4 slot .. only one seems to show up - any ideas?
[06:57:28] <elektronkind> but I applaud it. I mean, who uses rpc.statd anymore.
[06:57:37] <jerome__> elektronkind agreed
[07:00:25] * astinus scratches his head
[07:01:30] <jerome__> maybe the driver needs to be told to continue the discovery after finding the first card?
[07:01:54] <astinus> I have absolutely no idea how to do that in Solaris :)
[07:02:07] <astinus> I'm not even sure how to look at the PCI bus and see what's connected ('lspci')
[07:05:01] <elektronkind> astinus: pridiag, prtconf -v, /usr/X11/bin/scanpci
[07:05:10] <elektronkind> er s/pridiag/prtdiag
[07:05:17] <elektronkind> start with those commands
[07:06:51] <astinus> i see erm .. pci8086,3956 which is display, instance #0
[07:06:58] <astinus> and pci8086,3597
[07:07:03] <astinus> which is also display, instance #0
[07:07:26] <elektronkind> 8086... that's an intel chip
[07:07:33] <astinus> correct
[07:08:07] <astinus> so I see two entries, presumably those are two cards?
[07:08:44] <elektronkind> are any of those cards dual output?
[07:08:49] <astinus> both
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[07:14:25] <jerome__> oops
[07:17:06] <astinus> indeed :P
[07:20:17] <jerome__> trying to figure out which OS to install on my sunpci
[07:20:20] <jerome__> I'm thinking debian
[07:22:21] <jerome__> installing opensolaris on a sunpci doesn't make a whole lot of sense
[07:25:29] <Auralis> heck, that would be cool, having something like a blade as a pci-sumthing card that you can fire up when needed to background cpu intensive stuff
[07:26:55] <jerome__> cpu intensive?
[07:27:06] <jerome__> the sunpci isn't too fast
[07:27:13] <jerome__> amd 2100+
[07:27:22] <Auralis> no, i mean more in general
[07:27:26] <jerome__> ah ok
[07:27:33] <Auralis> not that old stuff
[07:27:36] <jerome__> yeah but the pci bus would bottleneck pretty fast
[07:28:01] <Auralis> doesn;t matters if the system on the card just has to crunch through numbers
[07:28:45] <Auralis> like, say a 3d workstation, firing up the longer render tasks in the background on such card, so the artists can keep working
[07:28:56] <delewis> it still wouldn't saturate nearly as quickly as SBus :-)
[07:29:17] <jerome__> would be better to have a cpu with 1024 cores
[07:29:20] <Error_404> you could also just throw the render work on to a 10gigE interconnected cluster
[07:29:31] <jerome__> 10gigE is pricey
[07:29:41] <jerome__> and latency is high
[07:29:47] <Auralis> Error_404: yes, if you have one, otherwise, such cards make for a nice in system render node
[07:29:54] <jerome__> quadrics is better
[07:30:03] <jerome__> but it's expensive really
[07:30:19] <Auralis> and with render times fo minutes to hours per frame, latex or bandwidth is not that important
[07:34:45] <astinus> okay
[07:34:52] <astinus> i definitely have both cards functional
[07:35:19] <astinus> but it looks like nvidia-xconfig ain't gonna do the trick, need to get my fingers dirty in xorg.conf :/
[07:35:24] <bank__> hello
[07:35:50] <bank__> How do you think about CORBA and AxisCCP to integrated java with legacy data mining application.
[07:36:01] <astinus> also, b48 .. if you SSH in .. the 'MOTD' where it says Solaris seems to think its October 2007 - yet 'date' shows 2006
[07:36:07] <bank__> actually ... the question is ws or corba ..
[07:36:27] <Auralis> astinus: thats the targeted release date for the sol 11 fcs
[07:36:36] <astinus> Auralis, ah, cool :D
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[08:49:28] <sahafeez> ok, just setting up my desktop - xnv49
[08:49:36] <sahafeez> sxcr49 that is
[08:50:18] <sahafeez> normal user. not root. jds vermillion 50. pick desktop background. just hangs there..for like 5 mins before it comes up...
[08:56:20] <Triskelios> are both the current full and short hostnames in hosts and ipnodes?
[09:00:31] <sahafeez> hum. let me check.
[09:00:48] <bank__> :(
[09:01:07] <Triskelios> X becomes very slow when it can't look up your IP address
[09:02:19] <sahafeez> 192.168.22.7 carmenere.beastproject.org carmenere
[09:02:42] <sahafeez> so yes
[09:03:22] <sahafeez> hum. comes up fine now. maybe just had to do something on 1st run...
[09:03:34] <Triskelios> might want to truss/dtrace the process next time it hangs
[09:03:40] <sahafeez> yah
[09:04:12] <sahafeez> ok, here is one. how come some the icons for app are not there on the menus. like the startoffice on the main menu. something to do with my resolution.
[09:06:27] * Triskelios doesn't know enough about gnome that answer that
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[09:34:28] <Fish> hello
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[11:11:29] <kimc> good day
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[11:21:15] <bank> svcs -l sendmail is online
[11:21:31] <bank> but when I mail and ctrl c threr is no mail ot.
[11:21:32] <bank> out.
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[11:28:08] <kimc> telnet <your machine ip> 25
[11:28:26] <kimc> do you see the sendmail banner ?
[11:30:03] <kimc> hello ?
[11:34:58] <kimc> bank: are you here ?
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[11:42:51] <kimc> good morning
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[12:04:43] <bank> does sun studio 11 availlable on windows?
[12:05:40] <quasi> no
[12:06:05] <bank> oh :(
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[12:08:44] <bank> quasi
[12:08:48] <kimc> hows this for iscsi performance, on the initiator: cp file iscsi space on target
[12:08:53] <kimc> # time cp sol-nv-b49-x86-dvd-iso-a /iscsipool
[12:08:58] <bank> corba or web services for integrated c++ app to java.
[12:09:05] <kimc> 0.00u 0.75s 0:00.76 98.6%
[12:09:13] <bank> hi kimc .
[12:09:19] <kimc> hi bank
[12:09:36] <kimc> that file is 608174080
[12:09:43] <bank> you always talk about scsi related things :P
[12:09:58] <kimc> yes I'm obsessed with it :)
[12:10:07] <quasi> kimc: quite uninteresting - try filebench instead ;)
[12:10:48] <kimc> actually the file cp doesn't complete that fast, theres still traffic on the gige switch
[12:11:03] <kimc> it just thinks the cp has finished
[12:11:45] <kimc> I'll have to setup filebench
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[12:14:35] <quasi> http://www.solarisinternals.com/si/tools/filebench/index.php
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[12:15:45] <kimc> The packages on that site are for sparc only so I've got the src now..
[12:16:06] <kimc> First I need to install studio-11 on this machine..
[12:16:25] <kimc> pwd
[12:16:28] <kimc> sorry
[12:16:52] <quasi> 1.28_s10_x86_sparc.tar.Z  - looks like it is both
[12:16:53] <bank> I am exploring eclipse c++ and netbeans c++
[12:17:28] <quasi> bank: and being offtopic
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[12:18:54] <kimc> Sun Studio 11 Standard Sun Software Service Plan 1-year
[12:18:55] <kimc>
[12:18:55] <kimc> $864.00
[12:23:47] <bank> sorry
[12:26:29] <Cybernd> bank which one is better?
[12:27:27] <jengelh> hm I wonder
[12:27:59] <bank> netbeans is easy to use. but eclipse seem to be better in longer term.
[12:28:04] <jengelh> if I add -I ~/WS/usr/src/uts/common to gcc, it barfs about all those pragmas, though they are also in the /usr/include ones...
[12:31:18] <Cybernd> bank thx
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[14:01:28] <kimc> building filebench now..
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[14:16:34] <jengelh> there is /kernel and /platform/i86pc/kernel... difference?
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[14:20:07] <richlowe> /kernel is platform independent, /platform is platform specific.
[14:20:19] <richlowe> that distinction does'nt mean much on x86 though.
[14:21:11] <richlowe> on sparc, you'll find /platform/$(uname -i)/kernel for a variety of machines.
[14:22:07] <richlowe> Tpenta, movement, anyone else who triages CRs: My apologies if the two I just filed are dups, but since b.o.o only syncs up daily, I have no way of knowing.
[14:23:33] <bunker> hi, i'm trying to use "jmp" instruction in asm code on ultra10 with opensolaris11... gas works fine, but ld returns me "ld: fatal: relocation error: R_SPARC_13"
[14:24:15] <bunker> with "ba" all goes fine, but i have null byte in it :-)
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[14:24:37] <Tpenta> you are aware of the delay slot for a branch instruction in sparc assembly arent you?
[14:25:02] <bunker> i know
[14:25:10] <Tpenta> :) many don't
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[14:26:48] <bunker> i want to delete null bytes in the output... but "ba +addr" generates one 0x00 in it
[14:27:25] <bunker> i think 0x00 was the first part of positive address for jump to
[14:27:34] <Tpenta> uhuh
[14:28:14] <bunker> wassup?
[14:28:47] <Tpenta> I dont understand why you want to delete nul bytes in the output
[14:29:24] * richlowe has a reasonable guess.
[14:29:59] <bunker> Tpenta: because i'm working on a bytecode passed like a string
[14:30:08] * richlowe was right, too
[14:30:17] <Tpenta> hmmmm
[14:30:39] <Tpenta> if it is reasonable to have a null, then you are going tohave to do something to "quote" it
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[14:33:25] <bunker> but, why i can't  use a simple jmp? :( ld returns me a "not fit" problem and i don't know why...
[14:34:03] <bunker> and google doesn't help me :)
[14:34:11] <richlowe> blah, I'll bet b.o.o mangled the tabs, too.  I forgot about that.
[14:34:33] <richlowe> well, in that case b.o.o or the browser.
[14:34:40] <Tpenta> doesnt jump take an absolute address, so it will be written as a zero and mapped at link time?
[14:35:00] <bunker> mhm
[14:35:14] <Tpenta> ie, you don't know the absolute address until the module is mapped and has the run time linke fiddle with it
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[14:36:00] <_william_> hi all
[14:36:52] <bengtf> bunker ? is this assembler you are talking about ?
[14:37:07] <Tpenta> yes it is
[14:37:26] <bunker> bengtf: yes :)
[14:37:35] <bengtf> usually in assembler the not fit error means something that the relative jump is longer than 255 bytes in short mode
[14:38:11] <bengtf> or 127 positive and -128 negative
[14:38:45] <bengtf> in x86 there is a ljmp ?
[14:39:10] <bunker> i'm working on ultrasparc :)
[14:39:17] <bengtf> or you are assembling with the wrong directives ;)
[14:40:16] <bengtf> check which jmp instruction you should use anyway ;)
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[14:45:34] <kimc> filebench does not build cleanly on this b49 with the studio-11 compiler
[14:45:51] <kimc> anyone seeing this ?
[14:46:12] <quasi> no, we're not seeing what you type ;)
[14:46:32] <kimc> errhh not that :)
[14:46:53] <quasi> not building clean or erroring out?
[14:46:54] <kimc> the not-so-clean build ;)
[14:48:13] <kimc> it errors out when 'make installwhen theres a failure to create ./BUILD
[14:48:39] <kimc> that is ./BUILD in the top level directory
[14:49:43] <kimc> i'll put it on pastebin
[14:54:40] <kimc> on pastebin at: http://pastebin.com/810776
[14:56:46] <quasi> pastebin not responding for me
[14:57:18] <kimc> its pretty slow for paste-ing.. looks like its also slow for raeding..
[14:57:33] <kimc> err reading
[14:59:50] <kimc> Ok this is better: http://pastebin.co.uk/4446
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[15:09:54] <kimc> I'm usre theres something wrong with my build environment..
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[15:17:07] <quasi> could be
[15:18:02] * quasi plans to play with filebench tomoroow
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[15:26:16] <kimc> cool..
[15:26:37] <kimc> some of this is rather surprising:
[15:26:40] <kimc> bison -y -d parser_gram.y
[15:26:41] <kimc> 5 rules never reduced
[15:26:41] <kimc> parser_gram.y: warning: 2 useless nonterminals and 5 useless rules
[15:45:55] <kimc> jeez.. can't believe I didn't realize this sooner.. you need to be using gnu make ..gmake on a machine like this
[15:46:30] <quasi> ;)
[15:46:48] <kimc> ohhk.. now to run filebench on this iscsi setup
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[16:04:42] <Somethingelse> hello.  has anyone tried running Solaris10 x86 on Xen virtualization before?
[16:14:45] <soultan> can bind run on port 53 tcp only or does it have to be udp too?
[16:16:46] <soultan> nvm
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[16:28:11] <kimc> soultan: few dns functions require tcp
[16:30:29] <coffman> how much kw does the blackbox need? i read or see it some where, but didnt remember...
[16:33:30] <quasi> coffman: http://blogs.sun.com/nico/entry/black_boxes_as_data_center
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[16:43:32] <soultan> i see
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[17:00:46] <jteo> it's a real joy reading code with little comments.
[17:06:07] <elektronkind> soultan: DNS queries are always udp/53
[17:06:16] <elektronkind> soultan: DNS zone transfers are tcp/53
[17:06:41] <elektronkind> by blocking udp, you are essentially disabling your name server
[17:07:09] <elektronkind> by blocking tcp, you will be denying the ability to do a zone transfer if that name server is a secondary one
[17:07:47] <elektronkind> I would suspect that you want to allow dns queries
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[17:08:33] <jerome__> what's a good scsi card for sparc pci?
[17:13:54] <jerome__> what's the command to know which graphics accelerator a blade is using?
[17:22:28] <quasi> jerome__: check the system handbook on sunsolve.com and see what's compatible
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[17:24:26] <elektronkind> jerome__: any LSI 1010-based card is good
[17:29:03] <jerome__> thanks
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[17:36:07] <jerome__> what's a good gfx card? PGX64 or XVR-100 or better?
[17:41:01] <jengelh> How do I set solaris to 80x60?
[17:41:06] <jteo> what's the rationale for having a pipeline in the ZIO layer?
[17:41:08] * jteo muses
[17:41:13] <jengelh> or 80x50, it's a VGA text mode
[17:45:34] <jerome__> is there any page that compares all the pci framebuffers for sparc?
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[17:58:08] <oxygene> elektronkind: aren't dns queries handled over tcp if they become too large, too? (doesn't happen normally, but if it does)
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[17:59:43] <vipe> I have a problem with oss. premissions on dsp are 0666, mixer is not muted, playing mp3 in xmms works, but still no sound
[17:59:47] <vipe> any idea's?
[18:00:13] <Andrew____> electronkind: DNS queries are also tcp/53, when the response won't fit in 512 byte record.
[18:00:55] <Andrew____> elektronkind: DNS queries are also tcp/53, when the response won't fit in 512 byte record.
[18:10:07] <jerome__> that is correct
[18:13:31] <jbalint> i thought dns would send a 'continuation' udp packet?
[18:13:43] <jerome__> nope
[18:13:55] <jerome__> udp doesn't have sequencing anyway
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[18:18:02] <jbalint> ok, looks like there is  a truncation bit. ,maybe thats what i was thinking of
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[18:34:33] <jengelh> streams exports like gdamore around?
[18:35:32] <movement> richlowe: there?
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[18:40:10] <jengelh> It looks like struct streamtab->st_wrinit->qi_qopen is never called at all
[18:41:13] <jengelh> judging from the cmn_err() message (that never pops up) I added into a strmod's function
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[19:48:28] <Belgar> greetings
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[20:20:22] <sickness> evening all
[20:23:42] <Belgar> evening
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[20:29:24] <jamesd_> morning sickness
[20:32:31] <jamesd_> hmm perhaps sun needs some new toilet http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro-markets/index.php?p=573
[20:40:10] <Error_404> apparantly OSX's NFS implimentation doesn't realize that a NFS server doesn't neccessarily have to be permanently down
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[21:13:45] <axisys> where can i get a opera pkg for sol 10
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[21:14:55] <Belgar> http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?custom=yes
[21:15:37] <Belgar> took me several seconds to find ;)
[21:16:02] <axisys> Belgar: thnx
[21:16:14] <Belgar> ok, it doesn't say "solaris 10", but they should work
[21:16:54] <sickness> yeah
[21:17:11] <sickness> I had this under nexenta for some time and it worket GREAT opera-9.0-20060616.1-static-qt-sol10-intel-en.tar.gz
[21:17:16] <sickness> even with flash plugin and java :)))
[21:17:26] <sickness> really low memory footprint compared to firefox!
[21:17:35] <Belgar> i haven't run Opera for quite a long time. Perhaps it has improved since the last attempt i had
[21:18:01] <Belgar> hmm
[21:18:01] <axisys> sickness: only reason i have not tried it is because they are not opensource
[21:18:06] <Belgar> thats not hard to achive ;)
[21:18:22] <Belgar> axisys; so i guess you go through the source code of every OpenSource program you use?
[21:18:36] <Belgar> ahmm
[21:18:41] * Belgar tells himself not to go down that road
[21:18:55] <Belgar> does Opera still have annoying banner if you don't pay them $$?
[21:19:02] <Auralis> no
[21:19:05] <axisys> Belgar: its about the philoshopy .. not recoding but the freedom
[21:19:06] <sickness> Belgar: nope, it's free (as in beer)
[21:19:16] <Belgar> sick :-)
[21:19:28] <sickness> axisys: so what do you say about binary blobs? you should not use solaris too :/
[21:20:05] <axisys> sickness: not here to start a age old argument
[21:20:14] * Cybernd loves free vs free vs free discussions ;P
[21:20:49] * Belgar is not going to ask anyone what sort of car they drive
[21:22:02] <sickness> axisys: ok, I don't want to start that too, but I don't see a problem in using opera if you already use solaris, just that =)
[21:22:30] <axisys> sickness: never said a problem, just stated my preference
[21:22:35] <Belgar> good point
[21:22:43] <Auralis> just use the freaking software that solves your problem best
[21:23:06] <Cybernd> ~auralis++
[21:23:15] <axisys> Auralis: i dont use windows.. period.. just because i have choices to peak a opensource OS
[21:24:05] <Cybernd> many of us dont have the choice to chose non-windows os ;o)
[21:24:21] <axisys> Cybernd: agreed.. hence the word `choice'
[21:24:58] <Belgar> the good thing with Windows is that all sorts of software is available for it, installable in a few seconds, without 100 dependencies
[21:25:21] <lasseoe> Belgar, don't forget OS X :)
[21:25:27] <Belgar> Lasse! :-)
[21:25:36] <lasseoe> Hey Belgar :-D
[21:25:40] <Belgar> Lasse; g.p.a. i should try OS X now that i can co'instll it with Solaris
[21:25:46] <PerterB> uninstalling the stuff is another matter.... Windows apps have a tendancy to leave droppings all overthe place
[21:26:02] <Belgar> PerterB; yupp, but if you reinstall it every now and then it works quite well
[21:26:09] <Cybernd> PerterB no one cares about this
[21:26:38] <PerterB> who wants an OS you have to reinstall all the time? :)
[21:26:51] <Belgar> well
[21:26:53] <Cybernd> peterb i know many installations with windows running for year
[21:27:01] <Belgar> so far the reinstallations are timing up quite good with my change of hw
[21:27:09] <Cybernd> (years ... with running i mean more or less nonstop 24/7)
[21:27:20] <Belgar> it doesn't take longer than recompiling a kernel ;)
[21:27:28] <PerterB> Cybernd: I know, I have seen quite a few
[21:27:34] <Belgar> cybernd: i even know some that still runs Dos 6.22
[21:27:58] <axisys> wow people still believe in windows .. amazing.. i sure dont like to see my bank running windows server
[21:28:10] <Belgar> umm
[21:28:15] <lasseoe> axisys, like it or not, it's a fact
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[21:28:29] <Belgar> thats different, isn't it? I don't mind running Windows on my desktop since its convenient. But that doesn't mean that i'ld like my 911/112 operator or bank running it
[21:28:32] <lasseoe> think it's time for you to get out of the closet :)
[21:28:33] <Cybernd> axisys there are much more cases available - not only high security high availability systems like a bank
[21:28:40] <Belgar> actually, i wouldn't mind my bank running it, cuz then i can laugh hard at them when they crash
[21:28:57] <Belgar> and i know they won't call me in the middle of the night ;)
[21:29:24] <Belgar> i've even hooked up some Solaris boxes in an AD for the same resaon ;) its nice having someone else doing your dirty work ;)
[21:30:20] <PerterB> last place I worked, the component that generated all the contracts for the dealing systems (literally billions of dollars a year) ran on Windows... Of course it was the weakest link in the chain, but they managed reasonable uptimes through hard work and very careful configuration
[21:37:35] <Belgar> :-)
[21:38:38] <jteo> PerterB: that's called working within constraints.
[21:40:58] <PerterB> exactly
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[21:44:47] <quasi> http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=428 is an interesting read
[21:46:15] 
[21:46:38] <Belgar> ;-)
[21:47:15] <Belgar> nerds even
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[21:53:34] <Belgar> anyway
[21:53:35] <Belgar> leters
[21:53:36] <Belgar> laters
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[22:28:41] <astinus> If I'm looking for something SPARC-based to tinker about with, am I going to get better performance out of a Ultra60 with 450mhz or dual-360mhz?  Both units would come with 1GB RAM and a 9GB disk.
[22:29:17] <Auralis> the obvious answer is that the 450 is faster for single threads whiel the dual 360 is faster for multithreads
[22:29:43] <delewis> even moreso, the scheduler can schedule multiple threads to run simultaneously.
[22:29:56] <delewis> which is very nice if you plan on using the system as a workstation
[22:30:04] <Auralis> yes, i would go for the dual, especialy for interqctive use
[22:30:31] <astinus> :p
[22:31:43] <astinus> Okay, great :)
[22:31:50] <astinus> eBay++
[22:33:20] <jteo> it must be nice to be able to use eBay.
[22:36:19] <sickness> ?
[22:37:30] <jerome__> ?
[22:38:44] <jteo> shipping is prohibitively expensive to certain parts of the world. :)
[22:39:11] <jerome__> where do you live
[22:39:34] <jerome__> canada?
[22:40:20] <hile_> it's not our fault you live more in the middle of nowhere than if you were at McMurdo, jeremy ;)
[22:40:33] <jteo> hile_: touching.
[22:41:07] <jerome__> what's the default video card on a blade 150
[22:41:07] <hile_> is shipping to singapore super expensive no matter what, or just from north america?
[22:42:10] <jerome__> got a great deal last week
[22:42:29] <jerome__> sun blade 150, 2GB ram, 80GB hd WITH sunpci IIIpro for $398
[22:42:44] <hile_> some m64 of some sort,  ithink
[22:42:48] <hile_> but ti's a 150
[22:42:54] <hile_> it's not all that great ;)
[22:42:59] <jerome__> I like it
[22:43:05] <jerome__> it became my new workstation
[22:44:09] <jerome__> I'm just trying to make it scsi
[22:44:13] <jerome__> ide sucks
[22:44:26] <jerome__> and I have an old 146GB 10k scsi drive unused
[22:44:45] <hile_> shouldn't be too hard
[22:44:53] <jerome__> not sure what scsi card to get
[22:44:56] <hile_> grab a single-ended SCSI controller and you're good to go.
[22:45:05] <hile_> hang on a sec
[22:45:09] <hile_> I'll look up the X option for you
[22:45:16] <jerome__> oh thanks
[22:45:32] <trygvis> does anyone know where I can find documentation on the SP used in the v40z?
[22:46:00] <quasi> trygvis: docs.sun.com
[22:46:46] <quasi> trygvis: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5249-15 to be more specific
[22:47:11] <trygvis> thanks, I had troubles finding the correct book
[22:47:27] <jerome__> hile_: would any Symbios 8751D do?
[22:47:39] <jerome__> hile_: or do I need a fcode or anything like that
[22:47:42] <hile_> i don't know..
[22:47:50] <hile_> if you want to boot off it, you need somethin with the right f-code
[22:47:55] <jerome__> ok
[22:47:59] <jerome__> makes sense
[22:48:00] <quasi> trygvis: yeah, it also took me about 5 mins last night when I needed it ;)
[22:48:01] <hile_> I tend to go with sun-branded parts (not from sun obv.)
[22:48:20] <hile_> or things from an IHV (eg, I use Emulex  FC HBAs)
[22:49:55] <hile_> jerome: 501-5656 will do what you want
[22:50:00] <hile_> SunSwitft
[22:50:42] <jerome__> no
[22:50:46] <jerome__> it won't
[22:50:51] <jerome__> I want an internal disk
[22:50:54] <jerome__> not external
[22:51:38] <hile_> oh of course.. helps if i grab the right damn card
[22:51:58] <hile_> 375-0097
[22:52:22] <jerome__> ouch $99
[22:54:17] <elektronkind> so, here's a question for you all
[22:54:37] <elektronkind> inviting opinion on matters releated to CMS stuff
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[22:55:07] <elektronkind> I'm trying to figure out which CMS might be a good one for solaristutorials.com
[22:55:08] <jerome__> what about cms
[22:55:13] <jerome__> use a wiki
[22:55:30] <elektronkind> hmm, interesting idea
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[22:56:04] <jerome__> solaris needs a wiki
[22:56:05] <jerome__> really
[22:56:32] <elektronkind> I've always likes mediawiki, but I don't how all wikis look the same
[22:56:57] <elektronkind> will have to put some effort into making it look unique
[22:56:58] <twincest> elek: you can change the skin
[22:57:05] <quasi> jerome__: genunix has one
[22:57:06] <twincest> elek: mediawiki is very skinnable just with CSS changes
[22:57:16] <jerome__> quasi has what?
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[22:57:28] <elektronkind> cool
[22:58:41] <quasi> jerome__: a solaris wiki
[22:58:48] <jerome__> ah okay
[22:58:54] <jerome__> didn't know
[23:02:22] <trygvis> hmm .. anyone know where I can find the MIBs of the v40z SP?
[23:03:22] <elektronkind> trygvis: they're on the cd that you can download from sun.com
[23:04:01] <elektronkind> http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v40z/downloads.jsp
[23:04:12] <elektronkind> the "networ share volume" iso that's tere
[23:04:17] <astinus> alanc: Is Xorg modular going to make it into the final Nevada?
[23:04:29] <trygvis> thanks!
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[23:04:56] <elektronkind> nnoooooo problem
[23:05:27] <alanc_> astinus: I sure hope so
[23:05:41] <alanc_> parts of it already are - working on the Xorg 7.2 server now
[23:06:17] <astinus> alanc_: I'm still having real issues with my graphics, and its awkward, because every other box I've got seems to have less issues on 7.x :(
[23:07:18] <astinus> but thats cool :)
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[23:09:26] <alanc_> got the packages almost building before I went home friday
[23:09:42] <alanc_> not sure yet if I can post them on opensolaris.org for testing or not
[23:10:29] * astinus nods
[23:10:56] <astinus> alanc: as I mentioned before, I've got nVidia cards .. one of them just throws "Failed to initialize the GLX module" and stuff all the time :/
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[23:11:50] <elektronkind> astinus: using the nvidia driver?
[23:11:53] <astinus> elektronkind, yea
[23:12:20] <astinus> then that screen don't display anything
[23:12:27] <astinus> nvidia(1) and nvidia(2) are both fine
[23:15:19] <astinus> I have two nVidia cards, one in PCI:5:0:0 and one in PCI:1:0:0 .. the former has two monitors connected, its a 6200 256MB, both those work 'fine' .. the latter has a 24" connected to DVI, nothing to VGA.  I have three devices defined in xorg.conf, they're all "seen" by X.org, except one don't work properly
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[23:18:50] <astinus> research seems to indicate it doesn't think the driver is installed properly
[23:19:09] <astinus> if I ran the downloaded file .. would that install for both cards?
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[23:43:53] <vipe> any idea where I can find a manual or blog to configure my audio (build 49)?
[23:44:40] <vipe> 
[23:45:01] <vipe> s/R//
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[23:45:59] <gisburn> Since then has Solaris backdoors in it's code ?
[23:46:47] * gisburn gets 30 hits for http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=backdoor&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=
[23:46:51] <gisburn> =:-)
[23:48:52] <gisburn> Less funny: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22strcpy%28buffer%7Cbuf%2C+argv%5B%3F%5D%29%3B%22+opensolaris&btnG=Search shows a real buffer overflow waiting to happen.
[23:50:31] <kimc> just have successfully compiled filebench and now running on the b49 iscsi initiator and target machines
[23:53:42] * gisburn wishes where would be an english versin of http://www.heise.de/ct/schlagseite/06/22/gross.jpg
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