[00:01:59] <axisys> how i allow a zone to write on global zones /usr/local dir?
[00:05:52] <hile_> uh... add fs
[00:06:23] <hile_> not that hte global zone should have a /usr/local filesystem to begin with
[00:06:45] <axisys> hile_: well in this case global zone has a /usr/local
[00:06:48] <asyd> yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[00:07:04] <axisys> add options [rw] ?
[00:07:12] <asyd> quasi: I success to install solaris on another dedibox w/o any serial access
[00:07:21] <asyd> just from linux, the grub's solaris
[00:07:21] <asyd> dd
[00:07:39] <asyd> a kernel parameter to pass IP stuff, and a postinstall script
[00:07:45] <asyd> to configure the network
[00:08:15] <_william_> gn
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[00:16:51] <axisys> i see inside the zone /usr is lofs
[00:17:01] <axisys> how do i create a /usr/local inside the zone
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[00:21:58] <axisys> well lets see .. how i add a inherit-pkg-dir
[00:22:18] <axisys> it says i can't since i already have inherit pkg dir setup
[00:25:09] <axisys> so i need to find another way to mount /usr/local on local zone
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[00:44:41] <boyd> Hey, Tpenta
[00:44:49] <boyd> axisys: read-only?
[00:45:06] <Tpenta> hi boyd
[00:45:11] <axisys> rw
[00:45:15] <axisys> boyd: rw
[00:45:37] <boyd> axisys: Ok, you can do that, but not with inherit-pkg-dir
[00:46:31] <boyd> First we need to see why it's complaining about already having one. If you do a zonecfg -z myzone info  is there any mention of /usr/local?
[00:47:38] <axisys> no mention
[00:47:45] <axisys> i was trying to create one
[00:47:53] <axisys> it says /usr is readonly
[00:48:51] <axisys> i guess i need to mount /usr/local from global (i do have one) to local as rw
[00:49:30] <axisys> i could ofcourse create a separate dir within local and mount it as /usr/local as well
[00:50:20] <boyd> Yep...
[00:50:28] <boyd> gimme 1 minute... I'm kid wrangling
[00:51:47] <boyd> Ok... so /usr is inherited?
[00:55:11] <boyd> Anyway, if so, here's what you want.
[00:55:31] <boyd> zonecfg -z foo
[00:55:40] <boyd> zonecfg:foo>
[00:55:47] <boyd> add fs
[00:55:48] <boyd> set dir = /usr/local
[00:55:48] <boyd> set special = /usr/local
[00:55:48] <boyd> set type = lofs
[00:55:49] <boyd> add options [ rw ]
[00:55:50] <boyd> end
[00:55:53] <boyd> exit
[01:07:53] <axisys> excellent.. i missed that add options [ rw ] .. thnx
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[02:00:15] <vladanian> Hey everybody -- I just burned the latest solaris express release, and it boots up to a blank grub -- no boot options -- is my image corrupt somehow?
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[02:22:04] <gisburn> alanc: ping!
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[02:23:16] <sickness> hi gisburn :)
[02:23:24] <gisburn> sickness: Hi!
[02:23:36] * gisburn lost his mightly meridian Ultra1
[02:23:56] <sickness> oh, anyway, an ultra1 isn't able to run s10...
[02:24:03] <sickness> well, s11
[02:24:18] * gisburn is now the ine middle of moving all his work to the suriving B48/SPARC machine.
[02:24:23] <delewis> UltraSPARC I support was dropped in Solaris 9
[02:24:24] <delewis> er
[02:24:25] <delewis> 10
[02:25:21] <gisburn> how can I tell an ultra5 that I swapped keyboards "en" ---> "de" ?
[02:25:46] <gisburn> console works, X11 is still stuck with en keyboard layout
[02:25:50] <gisburn> !summon alanc
[02:26:58] <gisburn> !summon alanc
[02:27:37] <gisburn> Ultra1 was dropped for S10 for a reason noone outside sun understanrds
[02:27:57] <delewis> gisburn: sure we do.
[02:28:04] <gisburn> (yes, I know, the mythical 64bit issue which can be worked around quite easily)
[02:28:16] <delewis> there's some UltraSPARC-I-fu that's a huge security risk.
[02:28:19] <delewis> when run in 64-bit mode.
[02:28:44] <gisburn> delewis: yes, and the proposed code-scanner wasn't worth the work, right ?
[02:28:59] <delewis> that or there was too much overhead involved
[02:29:04] <gisburn> The matching three instructions should be easily "detectable" in the elfloader
[02:31:53] <boyd> Or maybe it was because not many people care about supporting machines that old
[02:32:14] <gisburn> boyd: we have a 100+ stockpile of these machines
[02:32:19] <delewis> at the time the bug was discovered, I think the UltraSPARC-I was fairly new.
[02:32:29] <gisburn> boyd: we could contriubute a quite large build farm... :-)
[02:32:37] <delewis> in fact, it might've been discovered before the machines even shipped
[02:32:46] <boyd> gisburn: ... which earn no revenue for Sun.
[02:33:46] <gisburn> boyd: maybe sun should chase off all students into the direction of linux and adopt it instead of solaris ... or what ?
[02:33:58] <alanc> hmm, my xchat doesn't seem to be beeping at me
[02:34:03] <richlowe> and would have to run in a configuration they've never been supported in.
[02:34:05] <gisburn> boyd: the number of universities who use solaris had dropped SIGNIFICANTLY in the last five years
[02:34:30] <delewis> "Solaris is dead. Move on."
[02:34:31] <Error_404> mine is thinking of dropping solaris
[02:34:31] <gisburn> boyd: and IMO it would be more than a good idea to make solaris more accessible to students
[02:34:46] <delewis> DTrace would be perfect for any Operating Systems course
[02:34:52] <richlowe> by letting them run it in a fashion that's by definition unsupportable, on hardware that's unsupported.
[02:34:55] <delewis> I wish we were using it in mine this semester.. *sigh*
[02:35:00] <alanc> the Ultra I is hardly going to get students interested
[02:35:01] <richlowe> That really shows things off, huh?
[02:35:01] <gisburn> delewis: I am not kidding. the problem is there and it is getting worse.
[02:35:02] <delewis> Linux observability tools are just, well..
[02:35:10] <delewis> leave a lot to be desired.
[02:35:21] <alanc> "wow, 200Mhz, I can watch grass grow faster than this"
[02:35:29] <gisburn> alanc: any idea how to solve the keyboard problem ?
[02:35:32] <boyd> I think that being able to run in on commin x86 hardware does more for solaris than letting the students run it on aged hardware that they'[re likely to be making jokes about
[02:35:43] <richlowe> aged *unsupportable* hardware.
[02:35:44] <boyd> s/commin/sommin
[02:35:45] <boyd> arrh
[02:35:52] <boyd> *common* :)
[02:35:55] <richlowe> it's not as if u5's are considerably harder to aquire.
[02:36:05] <richlowe> (or considerably faster, but...)
[02:36:25] <alanc> Xsun should ask the kernel what the layout is (you can run kbd -l to see what it says) and then map it to an X layout using the table in /usr/openwin/etc/keytables/keytable.map
[02:36:28] * gisburn pokes alanc with a long ceremonical poking stick
[02:36:34] <Error_404> boyd: biggest problem @ my school seems to be that they're using solaris9 + CDE
[02:36:42] <Error_404> that's what prompts jokes
[02:36:49] <alanc> with a pre-USB machine, should just be a matter of turning machine off, replacing keyboard, and then booting
[02:37:10] <delewis> "LOL. That looks like Windows 3.11 D00D."
[02:37:16] <Error_404> delewis: yep
[02:37:18] <delewis> please.
[02:37:21] <boyd> Error_404: That's because you're not using ultra 1s if you were... that would be a bigger joke
[02:37:32] <delewis> anyone who says that hasn't worked with Windows 3.11 or Motif before.
[02:37:41] <delewis> if anything it looks like Geoworks :-)
[02:37:46] <Error_404> we're using blade150's.... they're nice machines & i boot in to kde
[02:37:46] <delewis> (given Geoworks actually used Motif)
[02:37:47] <gisburn> delewis: and JDS is not much better.
[02:37:55] <delewis> gisburn: 2.14 isn't bad..
[02:37:56] <boyd> Some would say it looks like s**t :)
[02:37:58] <delewis> little buggy
[02:38:13] <delewis> but much more responsive that what FCS shipped
[02:38:19] <gisburn> delewis: JDS is causing us significant headaches since we can only 1/4 of the users when JDS is used.
[02:38:25] <gisburn> on a SF68k
[02:38:33] <gisburn> compared to KDE
[02:38:39] <delewis> gisburn: yeah, on a multi-user graphical system JDS would be a PITA.
[02:38:50] <delewis> on a single-user workstation, JDS isn't so bad.
[02:38:55] <boyd> Certainly when I was at uni, if the only exposure I'd had to solaris was the equiv of running it today on ultra 1s then it would be the joke OS of the year.
[02:38:58] <delewis> pretty responsible on my SB1000 /w 2GB of memory :-)
[02:38:58] <richlowe> gisburn: so install steleman's KDE builds.
[02:39:03] <richlowe> gisburn: and be happy, or whatever.
[02:39:14] <delewis> responsive*
[02:39:18] * delewis can't type tonight
[02:39:23] <boyd> Is kde really that much better for multi-user boxen?
[02:39:31] <delewis> I don't see how it could be
[02:39:36] <delewis> it's just as bloated as Gnome, IMO.
[02:40:13] <delewis> especially, with all the C++ overhead.
[02:40:16] <gisburn> boyd: it consumes much less memory per user instance
[02:40:59] <boyd> Ok. That's good then... Any idea why?
[02:41:48] <gisburn> boyd: braindead design of GTK+ which sucks memory for breakfast is one of the issues
[02:41:56] <gisburn> GTK+ is very malloc()-happy
[02:42:36] <delewis> not to mention most GTK+ applications cause the X11 server to cache the bitmaps like crazy.
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[02:42:58] <boyd> Hmm... so it's really targetted more at a single user box then
[02:43:11] <boyd> Sounds like a good choice for sun with their SunRays :)
[02:43:37] <gisburn> delewis: and the sparc switch to Xorg will make it much worse since the mmap()-allocator for pixmaps is not supported in Xorg
[02:43:44] * gisburn waits for alanc to kick him
[02:43:56] <delewis> gisburn: ouch.
[02:44:10] <delewis> well, I'm looking forward to switching over to Xorg whenever my Ferrari arrives.
[02:44:17] <delewis> full-screen video :-)
[02:44:23] <alanc> we had to cut back on the mmap() allocator in Xsun because it was hurting Sun Ray performance
[02:44:45] <gisburn> alanc: yes, because you did not use largelages
[02:44:49] <gisburn> er
[02:44:52] <gisburn> largepages
[02:45:07] * boyd grits his teeth since he forgot to remove his zones before starting a live upgrade
[02:45:14] <alanc> you still have Xorg commit privs don't you?   you can put in mmap()
[02:45:17] <gisburn> IMO Xsun/Xorg should use 64k pages agressively for pixmaps
[02:46:05] <gisburn> alanc: to be honestly I don't have much time left. There are larger problems for me right now. It MAY happen that I need a new job in november.
[02:46:08] <alanc> if it measurably impacts performance when Sun Ray switches, we'll do it, but for now, there's been nothing to make it high enough priority to get attention
[02:46:25] <delewis> boyd: the live upgrade will fail if you have zones around
[02:46:32] <delewis> it'll say to use the install media to upgrade
[02:46:36] <alanc> we may be looking for a new X engineer in November 8-)
[02:46:53] <alanc> since one of ours is leaving soon
[02:47:10] <gisburn> alanc: you're kidding, right ?
[02:47:15] <alanc> not sure if/when we'll get the official req to replace him though
[02:47:26] <boyd> delewis: I know...... I just forgot to remove them until it told me to go away
[02:47:43] <alanc> wish I was - looks like I'm going to get stuck with the font bugs he used to work on
[02:48:00] <gisburn> alanc: erm
[02:48:07] <gisburn> alanc: is Jay Hobson leaving ?
[02:48:31] <alanc> oh yeah, I forgot you had met him
[02:48:38] * McBofh wonders about the single system image project
[02:48:51] <gisburn> alanc: erm
[02:49:01] <gisburn> alanc: really... does jay leave sun ?
[02:49:06] <alanc> yes
[02:49:11] <gisburn> ahhghhllrrrr
[02:49:14] <gisburn> why ?
[02:50:06] <alanc> he got an offer he chose to take
[02:50:46] <gisburn> alanc: and stuartk let him go ?
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[02:51:51] <alanc> it happens
[02:52:22] <gisburn> mhhhh...
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[02:52:57] <cd32fan> hello
[02:53:00] <steleman> Guten Abend
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[02:53:15] <silly_girl22> hi
[02:53:36] <cd32fan> me having trouble getting internet connection with solaris
[02:53:45] * gisburn thinks about a proposal which includes testing one of the following things on stuartk: Boiling oil, boiling acid, boiling sulfur, boiling honey, TR422 experimental electrogun or the good old komodo dragon pit.
[02:53:57] <alanc> gisburn: stuart has no choice
[02:54:10] <gisburn> alanc: I know.
[02:54:12] <cd32fan> hey Error_404
[02:54:20] <gisburn> alanc: I only know his name.
[02:54:28] <alanc> he's a peer of Jay like I am
[02:54:57] <cd32fan> how do i change the tcp settings in Solaris?
[02:55:19] <alanc> you should actually be able to find the names of the entire Sun X team in the Xorg change logs if you look hard enough, though a bunch of those people are no longer here
[02:55:56] <cd32fan> ora bolas
[02:57:53] <McBofh> cd32fan: depends which ones you want to change
[02:58:24] <cd32fan> im using a virtual workstation to boot Solaris
[02:59:09] <Error_404> does the vmware network device still require 3rd party drivers?
[02:59:14] <Error_404> i'm relatively certain it does
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[03:00:02] <cd32fan> i just finished a brand new installation of Solaris,and i dont know anything on how to make it work online
[03:01:32] <Error_404> what's ifconfig -a say?
[03:02:06] <cd32fan> im going to try fiddling with VMware Ethernet settings
[03:03:31] <Error_404> as long as you use the e1000 driver it'll work okay
[03:04:52] <cd32fan> i have to install additional drivers for solaris to use ethernet?
[03:05:10] <McBofh> no
[03:05:13] <Error_404> depends on the card you've set it up with
[03:05:19] <McBofh> you have to *configure* the ones which are already installed
[03:05:29] <McBofh> general case, you should be fine with what's there
[03:05:36] <cd32fan> VMnetware adaptor
[03:05:49] <McBofh> cd32fan: perhaps you should read the doco on how to set that up for solaris
[03:06:06] <cd32fan> :)
[03:06:15] <Error_404> check docs.sun.com
[03:06:26] <Error_404> the sysadmin guide is amazing in it's clarity & detail
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[03:08:12] <cd32fan> i had to reboot
[03:08:21] <cd32fan> how do i get back into X
[03:08:29] <McBofh> svcadm enable cde-login
[03:08:36] <cd32fan> what to i type
[03:09:23] <cd32fan> forget
[03:09:29] <cd32fan> something is happening
[03:15:02] 
[03:15:08] <cd32fan> hmm
[03:15:28] <boyd> cd32fan: What build are you running?
[03:15:39] <cd32fan> enterprise
[03:15:50] <cd32fan> the latest
[03:16:14] <Error_404> he's running solaris10
[03:16:19] <Error_404> in vmware
[03:16:40] <McBofh> cd32fan: ah, try dtlogin instead, as in      svcadm enable dtlogin
[03:17:01] <cd32fan> orrait
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[03:19:12] <cd32fan> or klogin
[03:19:17] <cd32fan> or eklogin
[03:20:45] <cd32fan> it says here i must exec login from the lowest level shell
[03:21:12] <cd32fan> how do i get there?
[03:21:51] <cd32fan> "No utmpx entry"
[03:22:00] <Error_404> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/805-7228
[03:22:21] <Error_404> oops, wrong one
[03:22:43] <cd32fan> just a few minutes i was in the desktop
[03:22:51] <McBofh> cd32fan: did you do a full install, or merely "end user"
[03:23:01] <cd32fan> i did a full install
[03:23:04] <cd32fan> 5 cds
[03:23:21] <Error_404> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/coll/47.16?q=solaris+system+admin+guide
[03:23:28] <cd32fan> and i even installed java enterprise
[03:23:33] <Error_404> there you go, the whole solaris 10 sysadmin guides
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[03:27:24] <McBofh> cd32fan: I think I missed this earlier - what is in /etc/release?
[03:28:58] <cd32fan> let me check
[03:30:13] <cd32fan> i dont see it
[03:30:27] <cd32fan> in the downloads u mean?
[03:31:16] <McBofh> no, in the running system.
[03:31:35] <McBofh> alternatively, what was the release called? something like "Solaris 10 03/05" etc
[03:31:56] <cd32fan> 6/06
[03:32:49] <boyd> I don't remember at what point dtlogin came under smf
[03:33:01] <boyd> You could try /etc/init.d/dtlogin start
[03:33:17] <Error_404> svcs -xv
[03:33:22] <Error_404> that'll spit up any problems
[03:33:29] <McBofh> boyd: s10u2 iirc
[03:33:41] <McBofh> cd32fan: S10 06/06 == Solaris 10 update 2 == s10u2
[03:33:46] <McBofh> Error_404: good point
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[03:34:24] <printk> Hello guys, quick question.  Is it 100% necessary to download all 6 Solaris Express build CD images?
[03:34:25] <alanc> boyd: dtlogin isn't under SMF in any shipping S10 release - it's moving in S10U3
[03:34:29] <printk> does it require all 6 to install?
[03:34:51] <Error_404> printk: it sure does
[03:35:02] <printk> ok, thanks
[03:36:39] <boyd> In that case my dtlogin command is what you want
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[03:36:50] <McBofh> cd32fan: given alanc's note, you'll need to run " /etc/init.d/dtlogin start"
[03:36:59] <boyd> cd how exactly did you get *out* of the gui?
[03:37:07] <printk> after i install opensolaris... is there a way to stay up-to-date with feature/bug/security updates without re-installing a new build?
[03:37:08] * McBofh just likes to repeat what boyd says
[03:37:18] <McBofh> printk: not as such, no
[03:37:21] <Error_404> printk: bfu ?
[03:37:36] <Error_404> you'll get the new kernel & such... not sure if that's what you mean
[03:37:40] <alanc> you can upgrade to a new build without having to do a fresh install
[03:37:58] <boyd> ... but for an upgrade you still need the whole media :(
[03:37:59] <cd32fan> State:disable
[03:38:07] <printk> not a big deal.. ok just curious
[03:38:09] <alanc> yes
[03:38:12] <boyd> McBofh: heh
[03:38:20] <cd32fan> Reason:Disable by administrator
[03:38:31] <cd32fan> dont know how this happened
[03:38:59] <Error_404> cd32fan: what's the service?
[03:39:09] <boyd> cd32fan: Wait... what exactly says that... and what service is it talking about?
[03:39:18] <cd32fan> one dependant service not running..
[03:40:05] <cd32fan> svc:/application/print/rfc1179:default
[03:40:17] <boyd> Ok... here's the thing.. it seems like you are looking at some other service, not the gui.. I'd guess print/server
[03:40:39] <cd32fan> hmm
[03:40:48] <boyd> On that build you start the gui with /etc/init.d/dtlogin start
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[03:41:01] <boyd> but it kinda depends how you got *out* of the gui...
[03:41:21] <boyd> if you chose "console login" from the login screen then the answer is to just log out and wait a bot
[03:41:24] <boyd> bit
[03:42:03] <boyd> has the gui ever come up properly on this box?
[03:42:07] <boyd> we need a little more info
[03:42:41] <cd32fan> it did the first time
[03:43:00] <cd32fan> the gui did appear at first time
[03:43:07] * boyd squeezes the stone a little harder
[03:43:22] <cd32fan> after i reseted the machine the problems started
[03:43:28] <boyd> Ok... do you mean "whie it was installing" or "on the first boot  after the install"
[03:43:30] <cd32fan> i cant get back in
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[03:43:53] <cd32fan> right after the install i made it into the desktop
[03:44:00] <cd32fan> automaticly
[03:44:10] <cd32fan> but now it doesnt work
[03:44:13] <boyd> Ok, cool.. and then you re-booted and ti didn't come up
[03:44:25] <boyd> ps -ef | grep dtlogin
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[03:46:06] <boyd> Ok, then. Bye.
[03:46:51] <boyd> Sheesh
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[04:01:47] <cd32fan> im bak
[04:02:16] <cd32fan> for some reason Windows closed itself
[04:02:44] <cd32fan> boyd:you were saying..
[04:03:17] <silly_girl22> has anyone got php installed on solaris x86 32bit?
[04:03:20] <silly_girl22> solaris 10
[04:03:37] <cd32fan> :(
[04:03:56] <boyd> cd32fan: ps -ef | grep dtlogin
[04:04:13] <cd32fan> thanks
[04:12:51] <cd32fan> okay now what?
[04:14:24] <boyd> Um... was there some output
[04:14:27] <boyd> ?
[04:14:35] <cd32fan> yes
[04:14:53] <boyd> Good grief. What was it?
[04:14:57] <cd32fan> it shows 2 firs
[04:15:00] <cd32fan> 2 dirs
[04:15:23] <boyd> No it didn't
[04:15:39] <cd32fan> it shows 2 lines of text
[04:15:40] <boyd> the output of ps -ef | grep dtlogin did not show you some directories
[04:16:16] <cd32fan> 0:01 /usr/dt/bin/dtlogin -daemon
[04:16:24] <cd32fan> 0:00 grep dtlogin
[04:16:35] <boyd> Ok, good. thanks. so it's running
[04:16:46] <boyd> can we just try something...
[04:16:52] <cd32fan> anything
[04:17:09] <boyd> log out of your shell, until you get back to the login prompt. Then wait for lilke a minute.
[04:17:10] <cd32fan> what can do you sugest
[04:17:33] <cd32fan> how do i log out? -stupid question
[04:17:42] <cd32fan> yet i dont know how
[04:18:16] <boyd> exit
[04:18:34] <cd32fan> the weirdst part is that the GUI was starting to load and the it was suspended
[04:18:53] <cd32fan> done
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[04:19:13] <cd32fan> holy cow
[04:19:25] <cd32fan> im back at the GUI
[04:19:28] <boyd> My guess is that you logged in when you saw the console text login prompt. Then the gui started later (it always does) and noticed that you'd logged in and so it suspended itself. Next time.. just don't log in so fast :)
[04:19:47] <cd32fan> hehehe
[04:19:52] <cd32fan> thanks Boyd
[04:19:58] <cd32fan> :)
[04:20:01] <boyd> np
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[04:21:58] <cd32fan> Boyd:one last question
[04:22:09] <boyd> uh huh
[04:22:13] <cd32fan> if i ever want to change my screen res
[04:22:25] <cd32fan> can i do it inside the desktop
[04:22:41] <cd32fan> or do i have to go to the DOS side
[04:23:08] <boyd> I don't think so currently... but I may be wrong. alanc-away is the best person to ask here, but look like he's away :)
[04:24:19] <cd32fan> Solaris looks awesome!
[04:25:28] <boyd> :)
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[05:43:49] <Error_404> eww
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[05:57:40] <boyd> Haha
[06:00:33] <McBofh> Error_404: :)
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[06:37:15] <rodrickbrown>  Hans Reiser Arrested On Suspicion of Murder
[06:37:19] <rodrickbrown> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/11/0142216
[06:37:21] <rodrickbrown> wtf
[06:37:24] <Error_404> awesome
[06:37:29] <dho> rodrickbrown: his wife was killed
[06:37:34] <rodrickbrown> that's insane
[06:37:45] <rodrickbrown> yes but by him ? that's just absurd
[06:37:54] <rodrickbrown> if he did what the hell was he thinking
[06:38:52] <McBofh> the investigation has been going on for several monts
[06:38:54] <McBofh> months
[06:40:42] <Error_404> okay, well... not "awesome" but more "an expression of suprise"
[06:41:14] <dho> I read the original article in sfgate a month or so ago
[06:41:56] <delewis> I'm surprised this wasn't publicized in the media very widely.
[06:42:13] <delewis> most of these "missing women" nowadays are made into huge public events.
[06:42:28] <Error_404> only american born white blonde women
[06:43:37] * McBofh fetches Error_404 the cynicism mop+bucket
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[07:40:13] <bank> gd afternoon all
[07:42:14] <rodrickbrown> hi
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[08:17:04] <asyd> how to prevent solaris to update the mbr
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[08:22:51] <bank> yesterday I upgrade ultra 80 to b49
[08:23:13] <bank> It seem to have problem when we drag and drop some icon on the Desktop.
[08:23:36] <bank> it will change the cursor to another type. and we can't press on anything else then.
[08:24:06] <bank> So I need to restart. Although It seem that The computer still working ( progress bar of eclipse still going on)
[08:26:38] <bank> Does anyone have the same problem?
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[09:12:18] <Tpenta> non-debug encumbered bins for sparc/x86 on 20061009 are now up
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[10:56:42] <sickness> morning all
[10:57:48] <asyd> hi sickness
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[11:31:30] <|ReIkO|> morning all
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[11:47:32] <_william_> hi all
[11:58:24] <sickness> I've a question
[11:59:38] <PerterB> raise your hand then
[12:00:28] * sickness raises hand
[12:00:43] <PerterB> :)
[12:00:46] <sickness> :)
[12:01:11] <andersmo> _o/
[12:01:21] <sickness> is the only way to have a non debug sx:cr to rebuild it with the non-debug binary components?
[12:01:24] <andersmo> _o/~
[12:03:16] <sickness> or could I simply untar the on-closed-bins-nd-b49.i386.tar archive in my b49 root?
[12:03:41] <PerterB> not sure
[12:03:53] <PerterB> tpenta's weblog has stuff about non-debug builds
[12:05:56] <sickness> yeah I found them on that blog :)
[12:06:11] <PerterB> oh right :)
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[12:09:30] <sickness> anyway I see no info on this on posts or in the readme of the tarball :/
[12:13:52] <chuck> Hi all - where i can find prebuilt Xorg's libdri.so library for post-nv49 builds? 100206-OS/Net dated  add support for  DRI / i915  - but Xorg doesn't have any DRI support inside :(
[12:16:36] <twincest> if ON only just added it, current X builds might not include it yet
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[12:32:40] <chuck> 2twincest: sounds hopefully :)) . But and can i compile this module directly (this module is architecture-independent), or this module has additional arch. restrictions?
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[12:35:34] <twincest> i don't know
[12:36:36] <chuck> 2twincest: ok, thx.
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[13:58:19] <lloy0076> Heh!
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[13:58:37] * timeless is wondering if people are happy w/ brandz in snv_49
[13:59:16] <lloy0076> It turns out my openvpn + solaris issue wasn't an issue with solaris at all; it was an issue with openvpn's rather cryptic way of reporting that lzo compression didn't match (cryptic on client, not so on server - twit here remembered that he has ssh access + root to the openvpn server and just checked its logs)
[14:00:13] <lloy0076> Hence, I now know that ALL the tools I require will work on Solaris (which of course I already knew) but also I know how to get them working :)
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[14:15:37] <jmcp> gdvnngll
[14:15:45] <timeless> hi jmcp
[14:15:52] * jmcp frgt 2 ld mdvwl
[14:16:03] <jmcp> hi timeless
[14:16:52] <timeless> good evening ll?
[14:17:31] <jmcp> Australia/NSW .... yeah
[14:25:01] <timeless> i don't suppose you know of any software to look for code that was taken from other source files?
[14:25:18] <timeless> i'm trying to review code for an open source release and am worrying about open source license conflicts
[14:25:32] * timeless wonders if sun has any solutions for such things
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[14:29:40] <jmcp> timeless: www.google.com/codesearch seems like a good idea
[14:30:13] <timeless> yeah, i've thought of that
[14:30:31] <timeless> but i'm not quite sure how to use it for this purpose
[14:30:39] <jmcp> license conflicts are kinda different to plagiarism
[14:31:01] <timeless> well, frommy perspective this is basicallly plagiarism
[14:31:02] <jmcp> well, check a snippet - comments are usually good for this - in google codesearch
[14:31:05] * jmcp nods
[14:31:26] <timeless> any code we "plagiarize" from an incompatible license needs tob e replaced :)
[14:31:34] <jmcp> definitely
[14:31:41] <jmcp> s/plagiarise/lift/
[14:31:48] <jmcp> .../borrow/ :)
[14:32:28] <timeless> yeah well, i'm the new unfortunate lacky responsible for making sure the lawyers don't complain about what other people did
[14:32:41] <jmcp> so use codesearch
[14:32:46] <jmcp> and google in general
[14:32:50] <timeless> those people can say they borrowed all they want, i just get the legal blame :(
[14:32:51] <jmcp> and take notes all through :)
[14:32:53] <timeless> yeah, i'll try that
[14:32:54] <jmcp> crap
[14:33:29] <timeless> only 16thousand lines of junk to try to find equivs for
[14:33:58] <jmcp> what's your time limit?
[14:34:09] <timeless> one day :)
[14:34:30] <jmcp> you can only give them a "best effort" ... if they are *serious* about getting it done they'd give you more time
[14:34:39] * timeless nods
[14:34:50] <timeless> well, i just found my first problem
[14:34:50] <jmcp> just make sure you let every man+dog know *in writing* that you have limited time to achieve their goal
[14:35:03] <timeless> in addition to license problems, i have "bad" word problems
[14:35:04] * jmcp sends timeless an arse-covering kit
[14:35:22] <timeless> it's like a prohibiting curses from appearing in stuff you release, but worse
[14:35:29] * timeless starts building a watchlist
[14:35:35] * sstallion has flashbacks
[14:35:58] <timeless> you did that for opening solaris? :)
[14:36:32] <sstallion> I seem to recall once upon a time trying to be overly clever in what I thought of other coders on my projects ;)
[14:36:41] <sstallion> s/in/on/
[14:36:48] <jmcp> timeless: yes, there was a worldwide effort for it
[14:37:02] <jmcp> about 100 volunteers iirc and we each got a selection of files to check
[14:37:05] <timeless> i don't suppose you guys had any handy sharable tools? :)
[14:37:17] <timeless> or did you really just read things line by line
[14:37:28] <jmcp> we read things line by line
[14:37:29] * timeless would kill for sample guidelines
[14:37:48] <eugene> timeless: in university, someone wrote a program to do that.
[14:38:07] <timeless> eugene: moss.(stanford"...)
[14:38:09] <eugene> timeless: and i think it became a commercial software
[14:38:19] <eugene> timeless: no, i'm not from stanford
[14:38:29] <timeless> oh, your university
[14:38:34] <eugene> yeah
[14:38:41] <jmcp> each $university has a system like that
[14:38:57] <eugene> jmcp: yeah man
[14:39:11] <timeless> the moss one seemed open, but it looks like the actual service is down :(
[14:39:36] <timeless> i actually have cross referencer, which is essentially a tokenizer
[14:39:59] <timeless> i should probably try to use it to get a complete list of word 'tokens' and then compare to see which tokens appear in more than one place
[14:41:04] <eugene> jmcp: hiya mate
[14:41:16] <ProfMikey> or you need volunteers to check line by line :)
[14:41:39] <jmcp> eugene: hi!
[14:41:44] <jmcp> eugene: how's Seoul right now?
[14:41:47] <eugene> jmcp: how'ya doing dude
[14:41:55] <eugene> jmcp: not bad. i thought i felt the earth shaking this morning :)
[14:41:58] <jmcp> ProfMikey: s/volunteers/interns|grad students/ :)
[14:41:59] <jmcp> ha!
[14:42:03] <ProfMikey> jmcp: indeed
[14:42:28] <eugene> jmcp: i got good feedbacks about my talk :)
[14:42:35] <timeless> heh, unfortunately i don't think i can really get that, since it's closed until i sign off on it (kinda stupid, i know). i wish i had such 'volunteers'
[14:42:48] <jmcp> eugene: glad to hear it
[14:43:14] <eugene> jmcp: what have you been working on!
[14:43:48] <jmcp> staying sane, mostly
[14:43:51] <ProfMikey> timeless: how many lines of code ya need to check? and whats your deadline
[14:44:45] <eugene> jmcp: haha, planning to do shopping. excellent
[14:45:04] <timeless> 16k lines in a day
[14:46:44] <timeless> against 3 possible source sets
[14:46:45] <timeless> one's ok, the other two count as 'bad'
[14:46:46] <ProfMikey> hmmm 16k is not much, at least I guess
[14:48:25] <ProfMikey> heh
[14:48:53] <ProfMikey> heh
[14:49:19] <ProfMikey> what are the other sources?
[14:49:30] <timeless> 3 open source project directories
[14:49:47] <timeless> hopefully each is approximately the same size as the original
[14:51:11] <ProfMikey> let me think over it...in this meantime I'll take a walk to pick up some food...
[14:51:20] <timeless> thanks :)
[14:51:26] * timeless is starting to throw some code together
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[15:45:17] <Berny> .oO(is there a time when the getupdates.sun.com is working without flaws?)
[15:45:51] <jmcp> 12th of never?
[15:46:53] <jteo> ?
[15:46:55] <Cyrille> there usually are less outages in February.
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[15:48:45] <Berny> .oO(right i'll wait till february)
[15:49:03] <jteo> wise choice.
[15:51:37] <jmcp> jteo: I'll fetch the cynicism mop+bucket
[15:52:16] <jteo> jmcp: i like to think of it as maintaing balance in the world. I'm much nicer IRL. I *think*
[15:52:19] <jteo> ;)
[15:52:30] <jmcp> ha! sez you .... :)
[15:52:56] <Berny> that's what they all say... :>
[15:53:08] <Cyrille> and we know they all lie...
[15:53:13] <Cyrille> ;-)
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[15:56:14] <timeless> profmikey: thanks, please see invite
[15:57:17] <Vanuatoo> When a video card has two outputs (either dvi or d-sub) that means that it's capable of dual monitor setup
[15:57:24] <bengtf> hmm, why would libfontconfig crash in a freshly installed b49 ?
[15:57:31] <Vanuatoo> Is the above statement right?
[15:58:18] <bengtf> Vanuatoo: mostly
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[15:59:15] <Vanuatoo> Will I see a difference if I use nvidia binary driver with common GeForce card or quadro one?
[15:59:22] <Vanuatoo> I just do Java Development
[16:01:28] <Vanuatoo> Guys do you notice that Firefox is slowing down the system while loading some page, for example if I play a mp3 file with rythmbox, just before loading the page rhytmbox stalls a playback for a couple of milliseconds
[16:01:38] <bengtf> dont know, I use ati cards ;), depends on the card I guess
[16:01:43] <Auralis> Vanuatoo: not correct, it can, but don't has to, it can just support one of the ports at a time for example
[16:02:12] <Vanuatoo> What string should I search in the specification of a card?
[16:02:21] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: depends what you're trying to find out
[16:02:23] <Auralis> rythembox is crap
[16:02:30] <Vanuatoo> To ensure that it's dual monitor capable
[16:02:50] <Vanuatoo> Auralis: Tell me one JDS program that is working fine
[16:02:53] <Vanuatoo> :)
[16:03:00] <Auralis> there is non
[16:03:12] <quasi> asyd: that's excellent news!
[16:03:17] <asyd> yeah
[16:03:44] <asyd> I'm very happy. I'll work on a final image the next week, and write an announce
[16:03:45] <jmcp> Vanuatoo: if you've got dual XGA/SVGA and DVI outputs, then your card should be dual-monitor ready
[16:04:14] <asyd> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=15255&tstart=0 it's french but you can a take a look (the lastest post)
[16:05:39] <jteo> asyd: how didja get past your problem?
[16:05:46] <asyd> jteo: which one ? :p
[16:05:58] <Vanuatoo> I wish one day firefox will be as fast as it's in windows
[16:11:16] <LeftWing> And less buggy.
[16:11:39] <Auralis> just not crashing any more would be a great step
[16:12:00] <LeftWing> It must be getting worse.  I swear it didn't used to be this crap.
[16:12:02] <LeftWing> =P
[16:14:59] * LeftWing yawns.
[16:15:00] <LeftWing> Sleep time.,
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[16:49:09] <AbeFroman> firefox rc2 fixed a LOT of UI issues.  neat
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[17:27:35] <elektronkind> ok, I'm going nuts here
[17:27:54] <elektronkind> I must be overlooking something incredibly simple
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[17:28:14] <PerterB> ...?
[17:28:48] <Cyrille> like telling us what this is about?
[17:28:59] <jteo> ?
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[17:30:01] <elektronkind> solaris 10 nfs server, and a solaris 10 nfs client. The client mounts a zfs-backed NFS share from the server which also happens to be a user's home dir on the client. Both the mount point on the client is mode 755. The share on the server is also 755. I mount the share from the client, it is still mode 755. But at SOME point, it gets changed to 775, which breaks some automated passwordless scp jobs I have going on.
[17:30:02] <sickness> lol
[17:30:53] <sickness> uhm
[17:31:02] <sickness> seems tricky :/
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[17:32:22] <elektronkind> yeah, I've never seen this before
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[17:33:29] <elektronkind> sshd does not like mode 775 home dirs, so it craps out
[17:34:04] <asyd> are you sure ? I thought it check only ~/.ssh
[17:34:52] <elektronkind> sshd complains directly about it in its syslog messages. ~/.ssh does matter, too, but its permissions are ok
[17:35:09] <asyd> ok
[17:35:20] <asyd> there is a config option to disable these check irrc
[17:35:43] <PerterB> set up a cron job to change it back at regular intervals ;)
[17:35:51] <asyd> StrictMode
[17:35:54] <asyd> +s even
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[17:36:51] <elektronkind> yeah, I could do all that, but the mystery mode change of the directory kind of concerns me :)
[17:37:01] <elektronkind> I don't like mysteries like this :P
[17:37:18] <asyd> ah ok :)
[17:37:47] <sickness> PerterB: that's the worse workaround, and most non-unix way, to do it :P
[17:38:00] <dwc-> sshd checks for any "publicly" writable directories or files from authorized_keys on up
[17:38:10] <PerterB> sickness: that was why I added a smiley
[17:38:15] <sickness> eheh
[17:38:32] <dwc-> that's to prevent some malicious user from replacing them with a different authorized_keys
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[17:58:34] <Disorganized> morning peeps
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[18:15:19] <cd32fan> hi
[18:15:34] <cd32fan> hey
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[18:34:59] <cd32fan> need help configuring internet on Solaris 10
[18:35:08] <cd32fan> please
[18:37:53] 
[18:37:59] <cd32fan> like never
[18:39:25] <quasi> asking a question might help you get an answer
[18:41:04] <Disorganized> it's always a good first step
[18:41:11] <PerterB> "what's wrong with my solaris 10 internet configuration?" :)
[18:41:24] <Disorganized> rm -rf?
[18:41:25] <Disorganized> hehe
[18:41:37] <quasi> PerterB: "it doesn't work"
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[18:42:03] <Disorganized> yup. rm rf
[18:42:36] <quasi> Disorganized: you're forgetting the / after your rm -rf
[18:42:56] <cd32fan> how do i configure solaris to use dhcp,please
[18:43:12] <Disorganized> quasi, no, I just didn't want to put it in there and run the risk of the guy actually doing it heh
[18:43:18] <Disorganized> ;)
[18:43:49] <Yamaraj> cd32fan: sys-unconfig and some RTFM.
[18:43:49] <quasi> Disorganized: the nice option would be rm -rvf /
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[18:44:03] <Disorganized> hehehe
[18:44:08] <quasi> or read the nice admin guide
[18:45:20] <cd32fan> Yamaraj:but how do i configure in the Gui desktop?
[18:46:11] <cd32fan> im new to solaris
[18:46:32] <quasi> cd32fan: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/816-4554/6maoq020j?q=dhcp&a=view
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[18:48:27] <Yamaraj> cd32fan: If you want to use Solaris, you must be ready for some reading and manual editing of text files and configuration.
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[18:49:58] <cd32fan> i realize that now :)
[18:52:15] <quasi> cd32fan: that url contains all you could want to know about dhcp and more ;)
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[18:56:12] <cd32fan> thanks for the help
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[19:16:50] <Disorganized> hmm, is it possible to have ASCII 0x09 char in a filename?
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[19:18:10] <dwc-> a tab? sure.
[19:18:32] <Tpenta> its not the kind of thing to encourage, but but sure
[19:19:45] <dwc-> I think every character except '/' and NULL is technically possible
[19:19:51] <Disorganized> yeah, it's not something i'd do on a daily basis either heh. But I've got this question "How would you remove a file that contains the character ASCII 0x09 in the filename?"
[19:20:01] <Disorganized> and I wasn't even sure if a tab COULD be in a filename
[19:20:16] <Tpenta> usually with wildcards, or perhaps quote it
[19:20:17] <dwc-> in most modern shells,
[19:20:36] <Disorganized> i'd say just wildcard it
[19:20:38] <dwc-> "foo" + ^V + tab + "stuff"
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[19:27:29] <calvin|wfh> morning
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[19:30:27] <calvin> :)
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[20:03:22] <Odin-> What is the status of the manpages?
[20:03:47] <quasi> man man
[20:03:48] <quasi> ;)
[20:04:47] <Odin-> Being clever, are we?
[20:04:52] <stevel> http://opensolaris.org/os/about/roadmap/
[20:04:58] <stevel> Man pages (New Target anticipated on Oct 9, 2006)
[20:05:07] <Odin-> Yeah.
[20:05:27] <Odin-> Last I knew, October ninth was past...
[20:09:12] <Odin-> Sorry if I'm coming across as arrogant and demanding.
[20:09:30] <Odin-> Does anyone know just what the hang-up is, though?
[20:10:16] <sstallion> Odin-: Im curious as to why it matters?
[20:10:26] <sstallion> curiosity?
[20:10:52] <lasseoe> oops
[20:10:55] <lasseoe> damnit
[20:11:02] <Odin-> sstallion: Running Nexenta. :)
[20:11:18] <Odin-> I don't have the man pages right now. :)
[20:11:30] <sstallion> ahh... do you really need them? :)
[20:11:31] <Odin-> (Yes, I know they're web-accessible. So what?)
[20:12:01] <Odin-> sstallion: Useful for Solaris-specific stuff.
[20:12:30] <sstallion> well
[20:13:02] <elektronkind> I don't understand why Odin has to be questioned on him wanting man pages
[20:13:03] <sstallion> SUNWman always helps... Isnt this a nextena specific complaint?
[20:13:09] <sstallion> i was just curious
[20:13:37] <Odin-> sstallion: Dunno. Near that, at least.
[20:14:04] <Odin-> "Alternative" OpenSolarises, maybe?
[20:14:31] <stevel> sstallion: it's not Nexenta specific... it's a problem all OpenSolaris distributions (aside from SXCR) have
[20:15:28] <sstallion> stevel: ahh
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[20:26:55] <ZeuSun> is there something parallel to linux "rpm -qf fileName" , namely a way to know if a file named "fileName" belong to some package ?
[20:27:31] <Stric> pkgchk -l -p /somefile
[20:27:39] <ZeuSun> Stric, thnks
[20:27:49] <Stric> pkgchk -l somepackage |grep ^Path   for the reverse
[20:28:41] <ZeuSun> Stric, thnks again
[20:35:51] <quasi> grep filename /var/sadm/install/contents
[20:37:14] <ZeuSun> quasi, thnks also you
[20:39:18] <ZeuSun> I have a general question regarding grub in solaris; as I understand this is not the same grub from gnu ; I saw grun in osolaris kernel tree ; I assume that the main reason for this is that gnu grub does not support ufs
[20:39:34] <ZeuSun> am I right regarding these thoughts ?
[20:40:04] <movement> ZeuSun: I believe ufs support has been sent upstream, though I'm not positive
[20:41:15] <quasi> movement: it would be more interesting to know if upstream has accepted and applied it
[20:41:36] <ZeuSun> movement, I am not sure I understand; currently when booting solarsi we use grub; so I assume it supports ufs for it's operation ; isn't it so ?
[20:42:03] <movement> ZeuSun: yes
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[20:42:32] <ZeuSun> so what do you mean by "ufs support has been sent upstream" ?
[20:42:43] <ZeuSun> I am not sure I know what you mean by "upstream"
[20:42:55] <ZeuSun> Quite a newbie in solaris
[20:42:56] <movement> ZeuSun: the changes have been sent to the grub maintainers
[20:43:07] <ZeuSun> Ah
[20:43:12] <ZeuSun> movement, thnks
[20:43:24] <dclarke> I wonder if that will make it to grub2
[20:43:37] <Disorganized> so, anyone here from St. Louis? hehe
[20:43:45] <movement> it apears I'm wrong.
[20:43:54] <Disorganized> I just picked up an admin position there
[20:44:43] <movement> though there does appear to be support in grub2
[20:45:29] <ZeuSun> movement, I don't know much about grub in soalris but I assume that it supports ext3
[20:45:39] <ZeuSun> because we can boot linux
[20:45:41] <ZeuSun> from solaris
[20:45:49] <ZeuSun> am I right in this ?
[20:46:01] <movement> yes
[20:46:13] <ZeuSun> movement, I will tell you something
[20:46:27] <ZeuSun> which fascinated my mind
[20:46:35] <ZeuSun> I have a machine at work
[20:46:43] * dclarke listens in
[20:46:46] <ZeuSun> which is dual boot solaris / linux
[20:46:51] <ZeuSun> NOW
[20:47:06] <movement> and?
[20:47:07] <ZeuSun> I had played with the following idea:
[20:47:23] <ZeuSun> is it possible to write scripts
[20:47:41] <ZeuSun> which will enable us to boot solaris from linux
[20:47:47] <ZeuSun> and linux from soalris  ?
[20:47:57] <ZeuSun> fiirst why this is needed  ?
[20:48:05] <ZeuSun> because this machine is for
[20:48:06] <movement> what sort of scripts?
[20:48:15] <ZeuSun> movement, a moment please
[20:48:33] <ZeuSun> I am just saying why it is (really) needed
[20:48:48] <ZeuSun> and the testers are far away from the machine
[20:49:16] <ZeuSun> and it is impossible for the to boot and reach the boot menu
[20:49:17] <ZeuSun> NOW
[20:49:29] <ZeuSun> the scripts I thoough of were
[20:49:36] <ZeuSun> I thought of
[20:49:59] <ZeuSun> replacing grub.conf
[20:50:15] <ZeuSun> with grub.conf which will boot
[20:50:47] <ZeuSun> the other OS ; the problem is that you can mount ext3 from solaris only as read only
[20:50:52] <ZeuSun> and the same regarding ufs
[20:51:24] <ZeuSun> so I think we can only iplement by this method one direction
[20:51:29] <movement> you don't need that, you have a master grub.conf (which has to be solaris's)
[20:51:54] <ZeuSun> I know
[20:52:09] <movement> and booting via grub can be entirely hands off, there's a transient option you can set iirc to only boot a non-default once
[20:52:10] <ZeuSun> but the problem that it has a default selction
[20:52:48] <movement> and anyway, it'd be much better to use brandz or xen instead of rebooting
[20:53:01] <movement> or just get a serial cable...
[20:53:20] <ZeuSun> I will look at that transient option (I don't know much about it)
[20:54:02] <ZeuSun> xen is not an acceptable solution in this xase
[20:54:07] <ZeuSun> case
[20:54:25] <movement> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html#Booting-once_002donly
[20:54:34] <ZeuSun> I am a fan of Xen but this server should accept high load of net traffic
[20:54:40] <ZeuSun> reading...
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[20:55:33] <movement> if this is a serious test setup you'd have two boxes then surely
[20:55:34] <ZeuSun> it seems a solution
[20:56:04] <ZeuSun> the same module is tested in both OS
[20:56:21] <ZeuSun> we don't need to test both OS concurrently
[20:56:37] <ZeuSun> because there will be no such thing in real lige
[20:56:40] <ZeuSun> real life
[20:57:18] <ZeuSun> movement, just for the sake of playing with the idea I had: is it possible to boot solaris
[20:57:27] <ZeuSun> from ext3 partition ?
[20:58:02] <ZeuSun> I mean , put what is under /platform/kernel/ under ext3 partiion
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[21:02:42] <sickness> http://lutin.jard.in/~dek/reiser.png
[21:03:25] <AbeFroman> ouch
[21:04:44] <ZeuSun> maybe because of this violence they are going to removr reiserfs from suse soon...
[21:04:48] <ZeuSun> so I heard
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[21:11:31] <Auralis> ZeuSun: no, it is not possible
[21:11:52] <sommerfeld> definitely fails the couthness test
[21:13:26] <ZeuSun> Auralis, what is not possible ? removing reieser fs from suse??
[21:13:49] <Auralis> booting solaris from ext3
[21:14:34] <dwc-> reiserfs... kills files like reiser kills women?
[21:14:43] <sommerfeld> uh.
[21:15:00] <Error_404> well, good thing people have tact here
[21:15:01] <Error_404> heh
[21:15:01] <dwc-> why would reiserfs be removed from a linux distribution|kernel
[21:15:10] <dwc-> just because the guy's been arrested?
[21:15:31] <jamesd> dwc-, its far worse than that.. reisers is only suspected of killing once... resiserfs has problaby killed billion of files by now
[21:15:41] <ZeuSun> dwc_, I saw sonewhere that Hbs Reiser himself wants it to be removed !
[21:15:50] <ZeuSun> really !
[21:16:36] <Error_404> dwc-: the only reason i can see that it would be removed would be if nobody but hans understands it & it has no maintainer
[21:16:57] <dwc-> after solaris on ext3 comes solaris on umsdos, right?
[21:16:59] <Error_404> even then, i would first assume they'd let it sit there & fester
[21:17:27] <ZeuSun> see : http://lwn.net/Articles/202780/
[21:18:11] <sommerfeld> ripping out support for a filesystem in a newer OS release creates a dramatic upgrade barrier
[21:19:41] <dwc-> so does forcing people onto reiser4
[21:19:44] <sommerfeld> changing the default is another matter
[21:19:50] <dwc-> it seems reasonable to do what that article mentions though
[21:29:29] <dwc-> 10/11 -- plane crashes into NYC building
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[21:29:44] <oxygene> hey coffman
[21:30:03] <coffman> oxygene: huhu
[21:30:33] <coffman> oxygene: just finished work
[21:30:50] <coffman> oxygene: last 3 hours meeting.... :/
[21:30:55] <coffman> im sucked out
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[23:12:13] <esproul> been having problems with system lockups on a Supermicro H8DAR-8 board with both 6/06 and nv49.
[23:12:40] <esproul> suspect ACPI, but acpi_user_options 0x2 and 0x8 don't seem to help, nor does disabling legacy USB
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[23:13:29] <esproul> anywhere from 30 minutes to 3 hours after booting, the system is deadlocked hard, no keyboard, nothing.  regardless of busy/idle
[23:13:45] <esproul> anyone run into something like this before?
[23:17:53] <ofu> memory?
[23:22:40] <esproul> memtest is clean
[23:22:56] <esproul> and happens on multiple servers of the same model
[23:23:01] <esproul> all share the same board
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[23:28:56] <Error_404> my computer's pretty locked up too, but i *KNOW* that one's hardware
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[23:37:25] <sommerfeld> tried bfu'ing a debug build of nevada?
[23:45:59] <esproul> don't know how to do that, but how would that help, seeing as how i can't drop to a debugger because the keyboard doesn't work.
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[23:49:01] <delewis> interesting, the Sun Studio IDE likes to hang..
[23:49:09] <twincest> del: netbeans?
[23:49:18] <delewis>  /14:    read(9, 0xE2D7EEA0, 32)                         Err#11 EAGAIN
[23:49:25] <delewis> lots of those :-)
[23:49:52] <delewis> 9: S_IFSOCK mode:0666 dev:340,0 ino:8912 uid:0 gid:0 size:0
[23:49:59] <delewis> I'm using the workstation over SGD
[23:50:05] <twincest> you could try studio express, i've been quite impressed so far.  i didn't even find a compiler bug yet :)
[23:51:47] <delewis> lwp_cond_wait(0x00036988, 0x00036970, 0xFBDFFC08, 0) Err#62 ETIME lots of those, too, which definitely aren't good.
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[23:54:30] <quasi> delewis: not necessarily a problem
[23:54:54] <delewis> quasi: what about the EAGAINs?
[23:55:53] <delewis> that might not be an issue, either.
[23:55:58] * delewis shrugs
[23:56:00] <delewis> back to NEdit
[23:56:27] <delewis> oddly enough, it only seems to happen when I export it remotely to my desktop
[23:56:39] <delewis> IIRC, (though it's been awhile), it works fine locally
[23:56:42] <delewis> which is odd.
[23:57:45] <Error_404> this is bloody retarded!
[23:58:01] <Error_404> my machine won't boot if my sata drive is plugged in... it won't post
[23:58:19] <Error_404> if i let it POST, then boot the machine, then hot plug the drive, it works fine





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