[00:01:08] <Jtara> hehe.. what happened?
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[00:05:37] <agliodbs> hey, do opensolaris communities get more than one mailing list?
[00:05:56] <richlowe> I'm pretty sure they can, yes.
[00:06:02] <richlowe> tools has 3.
[00:06:12] <asyd> Jtara: well, in fact, it was more or less a good idead
[00:06:20] <asyd> it destroy all files in /a/dev
[00:06:27] <elektronkind> then there's a list for each i10n language
[00:06:39] <agliodbs> richlowe: ok.  wasn't sure whether we should have an "osdb" community with several lists
[00:06:45] <asyd> but, after leaving it, and run devfsadm -C -r /a, new (correct) entries were added
[00:06:50] <agliodbs> or a separate "postgresql" community
[00:07:05] <asyd> I think this reboot, I'll be in a multiuser level
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[00:07:54] <asyd> ah, still in maintenance mode :/
[00:08:15] <phips> dolske: how did you manage to install it there in the first place? my install disk always seems to error when I try to install nevada in parallels
[00:08:38] <asyd> raaa, I'm again in ro
[00:09:01] <asyd> ah, this time I'm able to remount as w
[00:09:26] <gisburn> asyd: PANIC: remount on corrupted volume. Please reboot ASAP
[00:10:03] <asyd> oh, the volume is corrupted when I start to edit it with hexedit :)
[00:10:04] <gisburn> asyd: PANIC: IRC user is kidding.
[00:10:19] <dolske> phips: do a google on "opensolaris parallels". There's a forum post on opensolaris.org that describes the process.
[00:10:45] <asyd> hmm, the bootadm  taking a long (strange) time
[00:10:56] <dolske> basically, it has you install from an ISO image and adds a kernel flag to disable DMA.
[00:11:06] <gisburn> asyd: AFAIK bootadm updates the boot archive
[00:11:29] <phips> dolske: superb! thanks for that link. I'll give that a try tomorrow :)
[00:11:40] <asyd> gisburn: right
[00:11:43] <gisburn> asyd: (sometims I suspect they added some $ sleep 120 # calls in bootadm to drive people mad... SLLLLOOWWWWWLLLYYY)
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[00:12:25] <dolske> it seems a little flaky sometimes, though. Won't boot sometimes, and I'm having some DTrace problems.
[00:14:59] <Error_404> my machine will just plain not boot
[00:15:02] <Error_404> so, *shrug*
[00:15:11] <asyd> yeahhh I'm now in multi user mode \o/
[00:15:13] <asyd> thanks quasi
[00:15:57] <phips> dolske: hey, that's working! (clearly 'tomorrow' has come early :)) Many thanks
[00:18:08] <dolske> phips: yay!
[00:18:41] <phips> right, bedtime. that can sit and install now :)
[00:18:52] <stevel> fyi, mercurial beta will probably be delayed by 2 days - sorry to anybody who is waiting
[00:19:30] <Tpenta> morning steve
[00:20:13] <Tpenta> the next nightly drop is form tonight's clone, isn't it?
[00:21:04] <stevel> morning alan.
[00:21:07] <stevel> yup, tonight's clone
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[00:22:34] <badcoder> how do you install a cdrom ?
[00:23:17] <Gman> stevel, /topic, that's what it's there for ;)
[00:23:53] <badcoder> helm genunix: [ID 846691 kern.info]     model GCR-8523B
[00:23:53] <badcoder> Oct  9 18:04:44 helm pci: [ID 370704 kern.info] PCI-device: ide@1, ata1
[00:23:54] <badcoder> Oct  9 18:04:44 helm genunix: [ID 936769 kern.info] ata1 is /pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,1/ide@1
[00:23:54] <badcoder> Oct  9 18:04:44 helm genunix: [ID 182205 kern.info]     MultiwordDMA mode 2 selected
[00:23:55] <badcoder> Oct  9 18:04:44 helm last message repeated 2 times
[00:23:56] <badcoder> sorry about that
[00:24:01] <stevel> didn't think enough people would care about the Hg beta that it warranted the topic
[00:24:14] <Gman> [shrug]
[00:24:40] <Tpenta> ok, I'll kick off sparc and x86 builds. Do you want me to send yo a copu of the config file that includes them? I believe that yor script simply leaves things out if a file doesnt exist
[00:25:04] <stevel> yeah sure
[00:25:11] <Tpenta> i mean i'll kick them off once the clone for tonight is made and I have a copy
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[00:25:28] <Tpenta> I think I actually have a copy of it in /tmp on tonic-push
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[00:26:14] <stevel> yeah, i see it
[00:26:16] <stevel> thanks
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[00:29:15] <Gman> anyone seen issues with thunderbird before where you reply to a mail, and then you can't actually insert any text?
[00:30:52] <asyd> hmm, it's possible to get the kernel arguments from userland ?
[00:31:19] <axisys> check this out.. probably hitting a zfs/zpool bug http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BkCHeH74.html
[00:31:40] <axisys> it says bringing the device online.. but not really
[00:31:49] <axisys> running sol 10 u2 on v440
[00:32:12] <alanc> Gman: sometimes - if I start trying to edit before it's finished loading the quoted text, then I have to kill it, click reply again and wait to edit
[00:32:39] <Gman> alanc: ok, must log a bug on that, it's pretty irritating
[00:32:47] <Error_404> axisys: sure it's not just a dead drive?
[00:32:58] <Gman> sweet, my solaris internals, and perf and tools books arrived!
[00:33:25] <badcoder> i cannot mount my cdrom according to iostat -En should be sd1 but nthing happens
[00:35:33] <dwc-> sd1 doesn't sound right
[00:35:54] <axisys> Error_404: nah.. cuz i using slice 0 and 1 as part of metadb and no issue there..
[00:36:13] <axisys> Error_404: plus format shows the disk
[00:37:57] <badcoder> dwc how do i check the /dev associated to my cdrom if any ?
[00:40:18] <dwc-> ls -lR /dev | grep "/pci@0,0/pci-ide@1f,1/ide@1" ?
[00:41:05] <dwc-> should probably be under /dev/[r?]dsk
[00:44:33] <badcoder> dwc why iostat -En shows sd1 then ?
[00:45:26] <axisys> if i share resources between three zones that will make it just container correct?
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[01:43:51] * noyb is jealous of the Gman's new books...
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[01:44:09] <Jaumot> Hi, on Solaris, where is the file for to change the IP at boot?
[01:44:53] <noyb> Jaumot: depends on the host and NIC's
[01:45:33] <gdamore>  its /etc/hostname.<interface>, e.g. /etc/hostname.hme0
[01:45:43] <rmorse> You adjust the hosts file, with the line that is defined in the hostname.<nic> (i.e. in hostname.hme0),
[01:46:27] <rmorse> Say you have 'dumbo' as a single line in hostname.hme0, then in the hosts file you have '192.168.1.1 dumbo'.
[01:46:33] <noyb> Jaumot: see /etc/hosts /etc/nodename, etc.   Do you want to "start over" with your network config?
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[01:46:49] <gdamore> heh.  sys-unconfig might be your best bet. :-)
[01:47:04] <Jaumot> uhmm, on /etc/hosts? uhmm, this is very different to Linux ;P
[01:47:33] <noyb> gdamore: we had a little brain collision there.
[01:47:33] <Error_404> Jaumot: yes. that would be because it's not Linux
[01:47:36] <gdamore> heh.
[01:47:41] <richlowe> It's not that different.
[01:47:52] <richlowe> /etc/hostname.<if> defines the configuration.
[01:47:59] <gdamore> yeah, you still use an editor to change a config file... :-)
[01:48:10] <richlowe> but can contain a hostname, that will then be looked up.  Since you (obviously) have no network service at that point, it has to look it up from 'files', thus...
[01:48:39] <Jaumot> richlowe: it sound a NetBSD config file, nice :)
[01:48:40] <gdamore> (fwiw, i almost always put an IP address in my /etc/hostname.* files.)
[01:49:03] <gdamore> NetBSD can do it *either* way, with per NIC config files, or in the master /etc/rc.conf.
[01:49:09] <boyd> So now you have it in 2 places
[01:49:29] <boyd> (Morning, all)
[01:49:36] <jmcp_> morning boyd
[01:49:47] <gdamore> boyd: yes, thats true.  but i'm immune to nameservice.  especially if i have a partially configured network and want to bring up a 2nd interface.
[01:49:50] <boyd> Hey, jmcp_
[01:51:01] <gdamore> plus, if i put it in /etc/hostname, i might be able to skip putting it in /etc/hosts, and instead rely on nameservice to provide it. :-)
[01:51:52] <gdamore> this is really pissing me off.  i've been sitting on lots of changes that i could submit for OpenSolaris, but I'm wtill waiting for my VP to sign the damned SCA.  its been going on for months now.
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[01:53:20] <Jaumot> gdamore: it works thanks :), the word loghost do it?
[01:53:53] <alanc> if you didn't have to wait for your VP, you might forget how important he is
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[01:59:02] <Jaumot> the last question, what is the way to restart the network without rebooting the server?
[02:00:24] <gdamore> heh.  its really annoying.
[02:00:48] <gdamore> for example, i have significant code improvements to the prism wireless driver that i could contribute.  but i can't yet.
[02:01:07] <gdamore> plus all the platform specific code for our platforms, power management enhancements, ad naseum
[02:01:30] <gdamore> hey, has anyone tried to use ral on sparc?
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[02:10:47] <axisys> how to disable alerts like this '[ID 603404 kern.notice] NOTICE: core_log: top[5689] setid process, core not dumped' .. fixed top already.. this is just informational reason
[02:11:20] <axisys> disable using coreadm?
[02:16:32] <axisys> answer is yes
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[02:22:02] <boyd> Yes
[02:22:03] <boyd> :)
[02:22:38] <boyd> Damn, Who'd have thought that YouTube could be worth so much
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[02:23:33] <Gman> boyd: i did, i did!
[02:24:21] <boyd> Gman: Correct. And you next question: Discuss the infuence of Hungarian folk poetry on US Foreign Policy in the late-middle 19th centry.
[02:24:27] <richlowe> Gman: how's the blade100 going?
[02:24:53] <Gman> boyd: though i'm slightly surprised yahoo didn't get there first
[02:25:00] <Gman> richlowe: slow as hell
[02:25:24] * boyd nods. What a way to make money. Make a site. Let *other people* do the work. Sell for big bikkies.
[02:25:25] <richlowe> Gman: no way you can aquire something more appropriate for what you're doing?
[02:25:44] <Gman> welcome to web 2.0
[02:25:48] <boyd> Gman: I have a 300MHz U10 you can use it it's not slow enough.
[02:25:57] <Gman> just remember what their monthly internet bills are
[02:26:02] <boyd> :)
[02:26:12] <Gman> i suspect by the time they paid off that, they probably didn't get that much
[02:26:21] <boyd> Probably right.
[02:26:26] <boyd> Their player still sucks.
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[02:26:38] <boyd> Google's seems to be more dependable
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[02:28:05] <Gman> i think youtube is better than google video
[02:28:16] <Gman> google have better resources no doubt
[02:28:31] <Gman> it's just worrying how large google have become
[02:28:59] <clee> Gman: it's impressive, if nothing else
[02:30:23] <Gman> so when are google going to buy sun? ;)
[02:30:29] <boyd> Gman: Really? I find that YT's viewer often doesn't make it through a vid. Stalled, etc.
[02:30:49] <Gman> boyd: probably a numbers game
[02:30:58] * boyd nods
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[02:31:00] <Gman> gets a lot more traffic than google
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[02:32:15] <Gman> does anyone else find it a little strange that kids ar elooking inside a sun machine on the front cover of the solars internals book?
[02:32:42] <Peanut> I think it's quite a nice picture, well made.
[02:33:53] <Gman> lovely composition, just feels wrong ;)
[02:34:08] <boyd> It's because there's no visible static strap
[02:34:29] <boyd> I'm not sure it's more wrong that the kids typing dtrace on the other book :)
[02:34:32] <Gman> heh
[02:34:40] <Gman> yeah, seriously
[02:34:53] <Peanut> The screen-data looks like it's been photoshopped into the picture though
[02:35:01] <boyd> Yeah, not well, either
[02:35:32] <Gman> and they're using blueprint
[02:35:36] <Gman> [sigh]
[02:37:10] <AbeFroman> it's reversed
[02:37:45] <AbeFroman> (the one with the t2000)
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[03:49:06] <cd32fan> hello
[03:49:29] <cd32fan> anyone up?
[03:51:04] <cd32fan> hmmm
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[04:09:14] <Error_404> cd32fan: what's up?
[04:09:26] <cd32fan> hey
[04:10:50] <cd32fan> Error_404: are familiar with Solaris under VMware?
[04:10:56] <Error_404> nope
[04:11:07] <cd32fan> just as i thought..
[04:11:18] <Error_404> well, what's the problem?
[04:11:44] <cd32fan> everything seems to go well in the installation,but when it reboots
[04:12:04] <cd32fan> the kdmsettings arent right
[04:12:34] <cd32fan> and i cant get past the command prompt..
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[04:12:36] <Error_404> kdm?
[04:12:50] <cd32fan> the visual,keyboard,mouse settings
[04:13:41] <Error_404> oh, X
[04:13:50] <Error_404> and dtlogin
[04:14:00] <cd32fan> yeah thats it
[04:14:16] <cd32fan> i forgot to mention im a begineer
[04:15:25] <cd32fan> right now im stuck at the screen kdm config mismatch
[04:15:54] <Error_404> are you using solaris express or nexenta or ?
[04:16:05] <cd32fan> the newer version
[04:16:10] <cd32fan> express i think
[04:16:23] <Error_404> erm... okay...
[04:16:51] <cd32fan> anyway how do i boot into X?
[04:17:25] <Error_404> check /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:17:59] <Error_404> the settings should be exactly the same as those you would use for linux in there
[04:18:13] <Error_404> but tbh, every time i've installed solaris on vmware, it's just worked
[04:18:24] <cd32fan> hmm
[04:21:19] <cd32fan> when the system starts it says Hostname unknown,is this normal
[04:21:37] <Error_404> if networking isn't configured
[04:23:11] <cd32fan> how do i summon the kdmconfig in the command line?
[04:23:47] <Error_404> svcadmin enable graphical-login
[04:24:04] <cd32fan> thanks
[04:28:45] <cd32fan> this is weird
[04:28:54] <Error_404> ?
[04:28:58] <cd32fan> it says here that the installation is incomplete
[04:29:21] <Error_404> oh, yeah
[04:29:22] <Error_404> that'd do it
[04:29:27] <cd32fan> but it installed the entire package of the net
[04:29:36] <cd32fan> weird
[04:29:41] <Error_404> installed what entire package off the net?
[04:29:52] <Error_404> solaris doesn't do that
[04:29:59] <cd32fan> no?
[04:30:07] <Error_404> nexenta does, i think
[04:30:10] <Error_404> i've never used it
[04:30:21] <cd32fan> so i guess im missing some cds
[04:30:33] <cd32fan> weird
[04:31:12] <Error_404> just download sx:cr
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[04:32:13] <Error_404> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b49-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try
[04:42:05] <cd32fan> is there a portuguese mirror ?
[04:42:10] <cd32fan> ftp
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[04:42:26] <Error_404> no there is not
[04:42:52] <cd32fan> a pity
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[04:57:18] <cd32fan> i actually downloaded Solaris 6/06 Enterprise
[04:57:33] <cd32fan> it wont work with the express cds?
[04:57:59] <Error_404> what won't work with the express CD's?
[04:58:33] <cd32fan> there is the Express and there is the Enterprise version
[04:58:37] <cd32fan> are they the same
[04:58:52] <Error_404> i doubt it
[04:58:53] <cd32fan> i installed the enterprise
[04:59:04] <Error_404> i think you must've installed solaris 10
[04:59:12] <cd32fan> yeah
[04:59:16] <cd32fan> thats it
[04:59:33] <Error_404> and from the sounds of your error, you stopped the install halfway through
[04:59:35] <Error_404> there's 4 CD's
[05:00:06] <Error_404> either that or you chose the "minimal" install
[05:00:24] <Error_404> which is almost totally useless
[05:00:45] <cd32fan> so the express is better?
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[05:02:03] <hile_> that depends entirely on what you're intending to do
[05:02:26] <Error_404> no, solaris express isn't "better" per say
[05:02:48] <Error_404> but what you have is an aborted install
[05:02:51] <Error_404> or a minimal install
[05:02:56] <cd32fan> the 1st
[05:03:12] <cd32fan> in this case i need the other 4cds
[05:03:18] <Error_404> yes you do
[05:03:23] <cd32fan> heck
[05:04:36] <hile_> it says "required for the product to work" for a reason :)
[05:04:46] <cd32fan> Error_404: can you provide a link,please
[05:04:54] <cd32fan> ;)
[05:05:52] <Error_404> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp
[05:08:32] <cd32fan> i dont see the other cds
[05:08:45] <cd32fan> only the express
[05:09:04] <Error_404> then you're not looking
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[05:11:22] <cd32fan> i have to go to work
[05:14:33] <cd32fan> found them
[05:14:58] <cd32fan> ok,thanks a million
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[05:19:31] <Error_404> If I get this job @ EB I'm totally buying (and subsequently ebaying) a PS3
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[05:22:13] <bank> morning all
[05:23:04] <bank> I can't login to Gnome. after login to system it seem to show white screen and back to login window again.
[05:23:12] <bank> but I can log into CDE
[05:23:20] <bank> is that because of CD2 failed?
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[05:23:39] <bank> I am going to reinstall from the begining again :(
[05:36:43] * steleman hates C++ tonight
[05:37:24] <richlowe> Hm, I hate hitting send *then* realizing I should have thought more about phrasing.
[05:37:50] <elektronkind> I hate it when people use C++ comments in C code.
[05:38:11] <steleman> elektronkind: that's C99 :-P
[05:38:12] <elektronkind> it's not a big thing, I guess
[05:38:33] <elektronkind> but it's like people say "you know?" at the end of every other sentence when they talk to you
[05:38:40] <elektronkind> s/say/saying
[05:39:00] <bank> s/sorry
[05:42:45] <dmick> man
[05:42:53] <dmick> if I ever have to look at this metacity window-focus code again
[05:42:58] <dmick> I think I'll just eat cyanide first instead
[05:43:22] <steleman> dmick: you haven't seen kwin yet :-)
[05:43:29] <bank> I am converting c++ data mining algo to java.
[05:43:48] <richlowe> from memory, there are parts of X that seems so generally unpleasant, that nearly anything dealing with them is horrific.
[05:43:53] <richlowe> s/seems/seem/
[05:43:57] <dmick> at least I found the problem this time, so I won't have to keep cursing focus management
[05:44:00] <dmick> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=361054
[05:44:05] <dmick> richlowe: yeah, but this isn't just X
[05:44:12] <dmick> this is GNOME, and metacity in particular
[05:44:21] <bank> metacity
[05:44:24] <dmick> they just keep insisting they know better which window should have focus, despite my preferences
[05:44:31] <steleman> focus stealing prevention ?
[05:44:41] <dmick> and then they implement some byzantine algorithm and it breaks, of course
[05:44:50] <dmick> because it's got ninety-zillion moving parts
[05:45:06] <dmick> and really, I'd be thrilled if focus *never left my mouse pointer*
[05:45:07] <dmick> *ever*
[05:45:16] <Error_404> heh
[05:45:18] <dmick> but no, that wouldn't be smart enough
[05:45:31] <Error_404> GNOME: "That feature's been removed. It was confusing users"
[05:45:32] <dmick> steleman: see the URL, it's probably quicker
[05:45:52] <dmick> Error_404: worse: they keep adding new gconf keys that *almost* work but not quite
[05:45:55] <Auralis> metacity is pure crap
[05:46:10] <dmick> I ask for so little from a WM
[05:46:13] <dmick> mostly, just stay out of my way
[05:46:14] <richlowe> Auralis: that's your opinion of anything newer than 1994 ;)
[05:46:30] <Auralis> richlowe: not realy, just most of the gnome stuff
[05:47:22] <dmick> well if anyone else is depressed that focus_new_windows == strict still doesn't work
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[05:47:27] <dmick> I know why, and how to fix it, now
[05:47:28] <steleman> yup working around X focus stealing krap
[05:47:56] <dmick> the WM is in complete control.  it just flubs it.
[05:47:59] <Auralis> from a WM, i want very little, click to focus, no active window to front automaticaly, and the ability to cycle windows in the stack order, plus iconify to desktop
[05:48:30] <dmick> I want even less than that :-P
[05:50:15] <richlowe> focus follows pointer, no matter what, never, ever, ever, map a window such as to change the keyboard focus (ie, such that any part of it is under the cursor).
[05:50:18] <richlowe> and that's pretty much it.
[05:50:50] <dmick> preach it brother rich
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[05:51:29] <Auralis> i hate focus follows mouse with a passion. i want my focus there where i clickted, never ever someplace else
[05:51:49] <dmick> Auralis: you're entitled to your own misguided opinion :)
[05:51:52] <delewis> this is a classic 'vi v. emacs' argument :-)
[05:52:02] <dmick> that's certainly a reasonable user-config setting.  and they've tried, with metacity.
[05:52:06] <dmick> they just keep screwing it up.
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[05:52:25] <Auralis> they just left out half the options to make it useable in metacity
[05:52:36] <delewis> gnome-panel is doing something ridicuously annoying, remiscient of Windows XP -- combining "tasks" on the toolbar.
[05:52:46] <delewis> anyone know the magical Preferences setting?
[05:52:47] <Auralis> they have click focus, but it also enables autoraise window, whoch i don't want
[05:53:09] <dmick> Auralis: really!  I've never used it, so couldn't confirm.  Let me try.
[05:53:28] <dmick> delewis: I've seen that option recently
[05:54:15] <dmick> preferences, on the window list panel item
[05:54:27] <dmick> Window Grouping: Never, only when space limited, always
[05:55:24] <Auralis> tasksbars for iconified windows are inherently flawed, they either get crowed with to many windows, or they group everything away so the speed advantage is also lost
[05:56:22] <dmick> Auralis: I see you are correct.  That seems silly.
[05:56:34] <dmick> (wrt click-to-focus I mean)
[05:56:41] <Auralis> dmick: it is
[05:56:50] <delewis> dmick: thanks
[05:57:11] <delewis> I was clicking on the right-hand side of the minimized tasks and getting a different set of preferences..
[05:57:14] * delewis mutters
[05:57:27] <dmick> yeah, it's hard to tell what panel item you're on
[05:57:28] <delewis> I wish there was a centralized set of preferences for *all* applets.
[05:58:13] <dmick> is anyone running a Konsole at the moment?
[05:58:29] <delewis> dmick: on Linux :-)
[05:58:52] <steleman> dmick: i am
[05:58:55] <dmick> that's probably fine; can you run "xprop WM_CLASS" and then click on your Konsole (you can do it from the Konsole if you like)
[05:59:02] <dmick> and tell me what it shows?
[05:59:24] <dmick> (xterm shows WM_CLASS(STRING) = "xterm", "XTerm")
[05:59:25] <delewis> dlewis@fourier:~$ xprop WM_CLASS
[05:59:27] <delewis> WM_CLASS(STRING) = "konsole", "Konsole"
[05:59:32] <dmick> awesome.  ty.
[05:59:35] <delewis> sure
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[06:05:28] <boyd> Hi Tpenta
[06:05:40] <Tpenta> hi boyd
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[06:11:03] * twincest yawn
[06:11:22] * dmick yawn
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[06:12:35] * steleman thinks that referenced counted smart pointer work best when written corectly
[06:12:43] <dmick> heh
[06:13:00] <steleman> like for instance check for self-assignment
[06:14:59] <twincest> i think they work best when not written at all, because there are already enough of them :)
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[06:32:25] <dmick> ok, there's a patch submitted.  Now maybe I can get back to what they pay me for.
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[06:51:19] * lloy0076 sigh
[06:53:18] <lloy0076> I take it that the Sun Studio compilers are not on the Solaris ON build 48 DVD that I built...
[06:53:27] <jamesd> nope
[06:53:34] * lloy0076 sigh
[06:53:41] <jamesd> gcc is there... other than that you have to download
[06:53:46] <jamesd> but at least they are free
[06:53:55] <lloy0076> GCC is there?
[06:53:56] <lloy0076> Where?
[06:54:01] <jamesd>  /usr/sfw/bin/
[06:54:04] <lloy0076> Ah.
[06:54:19] <lloy0076> Sun Studio compilers I take it are free??
[06:54:28] <jamesd> yes
[06:54:28] <Auralis> yes
[06:56:35] <lloy0076> It seems that I can either get Sun Studio 11 but not have a complete product (i.e. it's not "patchable") OR get Sun Studio 10 and have a complete product...
[06:57:18] <lloy0076> So, should I get the easy S Studio 11 install or the S Studio 10 package install?
[06:57:42] <lloy0076> (or should I just build things with GCC and hope I don't hit a glitch?)
[06:59:20] <dmick> I wouldn't worry about patchability
[06:59:32] <dmick> at a minimum, someday you'll have to reinstall the compiler
[06:59:38] <dmick> either by a new tarball or a proper packeg
[06:59:43] <dmick> either way, it's going to be easy
[06:59:53] <dmick> personally, I would use SS11
[07:05:54] <lloy0076> :)
[07:06:06] <lloy0076> I'm going to choose the "easy" option and hope it doesn't bit me in the future.
[07:06:24] <dmick> by the time there's a patch you can get
[07:06:31] <dmick> there'll be a package you can get, upon which to patch
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[07:36:31] <twincest> you can't get the free Studio 11 as packages?
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[07:45:14] <asyd> ola
[07:45:15] <asyd> \_o<
[07:45:16] <asyd> even
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[07:54:23] <Error_404> oh, neat
[07:54:58] <Error_404> ZeD (a CBC show... really cool, tons of short indie films) apparantly uploaded their entire database to google video
[07:57:57] <asyd> yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:58:36] <Error_404> ?
[07:58:42] <asyd> long story
[07:58:59] <Error_404> long "yeah"
[07:59:16] <asyd> yeah
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[08:13:28] <lloy0076> In the instructions for the Sun Studio 11 - which I've unpacked into /opt/SUNspro as instructed - it says to place some extra path information in one's .profile or environment; I understand that.
[08:13:40] <lloy0076> However I would like EVERYONE to pick up the new path.
[08:14:00] <lloy0076> I've taken a peek at /etc/profile and can't see where PATH is set at all.
[08:15:11] <twincest> /etc/default/login
[08:16:03] <lloy0076> Ah.
[08:16:25] <lloy0076> <-- is used to Linux and forgets to look in /etc/default/*
[08:16:44] <twincest> funny, my linux has /etc/default too :)
[08:17:13] <trygvis> is there a way to make ssh re-read /etc/default/login or do I have to reboot the machine?
[08:17:35] <twincest> i would imagine restarting ssh is enough
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[08:19:08] <lloy0076> Yes, I know.
[08:19:27] <lloy0076> However, I'm not used to having to twiddle that for the PATH variable.
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[08:31:00] <asyd> hmm the OpenSolaris's jive is still broken ?
[08:31:16] <asyd> two days of desynchro with our mailing list and the jive forum
[08:31:29] <twincest> jive is stupid and should go away
[08:31:41] <twincest> i'm fairly sure most people can work out how to use a mailing list
[08:34:38] <asyd> well, I really don't like web forums, but seem now it's "hype" to use a webforum to write mail .. :/
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[08:37:25] <Ludo_> hello, I would like install opensolaris on my ultra60 accross the network with a debian server, do you have some pointers to do it?
[08:38:01] <Ludo_> the only way to do it is jumpstart? it seems difficult to configure it on a linux machine
[08:41:57] <twincest> you can start the normal installer over the network on i386, but it's quite fiddly.  no idea if you can do it on sparc as well
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[08:52:01] <lloy0076> I appear to have openssl include files in "/usr/sfw/include/openssl" and libraries in "/usr/sfw/lib/" -- I pass "./configure"  --with-ssl-headers="/usr/sfw/include/openssl/" --with-ssl-lib="/usr/sfw/lib/" BUT then get checking openssl/evp.h presence... no
[08:52:14] <lloy0076> YET /usr/sfw/include/openssl/evp.h IS present
[08:52:32] <twincest> look at config.lod
[08:52:32] <trygvis> I always pass stuff like that as CCFLAGS
[08:52:36] <twincest> config.log
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[08:52:48] <twincest> it will contain the reason the compiler did not find that file
[08:54:08] <lloy0076> In the config.log there's a -L and -I option (in LDFLAGS and CPPFLAGS).
[08:54:26] <lloy0076> The error I'm getting indicates to me that the -I [correct directory] isn't working sensibly.
[08:54:35] <lloy0076> It could be that the library isn't being found and the error is confusing though.
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[08:56:38] <twincest> what is the error?
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[09:07:35] <lloy0076> configure: error: OpenSSL Crypto headers not found.
[09:07:48] <twincest> there should be a compile error in config.log
[09:10:28] <lloy0076> Curses and damnations!
[09:10:34] <lloy0076> Thanks :)
[09:10:49] <lloy0076> It was looking in /usr/sfw/include/openssl/openssl/evp.h
[09:11:40] * lloy0076 flop
[09:12:54] <lloy0076> Is there a development package that contains a Sun package of make and other development utilities?
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[09:13:34] <jmcpWork> lloy0076: SUNWsprot is the name of the package, instaled in /usr/ccs/bin
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[09:22:13] <Sir-Al> is there a way to get to the command line from the graphical solaris login screen?  i don't have a mouse attached, so i can't click the options menu
[09:22:57] <twincest> should be able to tab to it
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[09:23:51] <Sir-Al> twincest: that's what i thought, but i tried and no dice
[09:24:40] <twincest> is this gdm or dtlogin?
[09:25:06] <Sir-Al> twincest: dtlogin
[09:25:15] <Tpenta> in dtlogin, you should be able to tab to it
[09:26:05] <Sir-Al> hmm, i wonder why i cannot, maybe it's the keyboard?  but tab works in other applications
[09:26:09] <Sir-Al> i can tab between the username/password
[09:26:15] <Sir-Al> but that's it
[09:26:35] <Sir-Al> actually there is only a username
[09:28:44] <twincest> alt-tab maybe?
[09:30:14] <Sir-Al> twincest: excellent suggestion, i will try it out
[09:31:12] <Tpenta> tab should move between all of them (sorry gotta run)
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[09:57:30] <Cyrille> Sir-Al: use shift-tab to move backwards through the widgets.
[09:57:56] <Sir-Al> i can move backwards/forwards, it just won't move to options
[09:58:13] <Cyrille> huh?
[09:58:29] <Cyrille> are you saying it jumps from start over to help?
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[10:09:01] <Sir-Al> Cyrille: it jumps from username to something
[10:09:07] <Sir-Al> and then from something back to username
[10:09:19] <Sir-Al> and at that something i can press any button and it doesn't do anything
[10:10:27] <Cyrille> strange, obviously we're looking at different screens (I'm looking at a Solaris 10 one).
[10:11:47] <Sir-Al> Cyrille: Solaris 10 u2 with latest patches
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[10:13:29] <Cyrille> Sir-Al: and you're on the bluegreenish screen with the white stripe with Solaris logo in the middle, user field at the bottom with four buttons beneath it, cursor in user field, press shift-tab once and don't get a yellowgreenish outline around the help button?
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[10:14:28] <Sir-Al> Cyrille: no, i tried shift-tab.. but i'm not at the machine anymore, so i'll try again tomorrow.. it might be the kvm switch
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[10:16:06] <Cyrille> possibly. Because in my case the tab alone stays in the user field, alt-tab does the same, ctrl-tab cycles forward (goes to OK button) and shift-tab backwards (goes to Help button).
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[10:30:42] <Sir-Al> ok i think it works now
[10:30:51] <Sir-Al> ctrl-tab does the trick
[10:30:58] <Sir-Al> shift-tab works as well
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[10:35:09] <jteo> moin.
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[11:27:08] <bb3> is it that bad?
[11:27:35] <PerterB> often it's worse
[11:27:46] <jteo> what is?
[11:28:02] <PerterB> "it"
[11:28:29] <jteo> oh *that*
[11:29:00] <PerterB> aye
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[11:31:43] <asyd> oh, you remember when I talk about the dedibox ?
[11:31:59] <asyd> the french dedicated server with 100mb/s of bandwith
[11:32:12] <asyd> there are some reseller of non french people
[11:33:35] <asyd> and since I success to install solaris on it
[11:35:02] <PerterB> cool
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[12:47:03] <GreenHat> question : is there something parallel to Aladin HASP for SPARC?
[12:47:18] <GreenHat> I saw that aladin does not support it for SPARC
[12:47:35] <GreenHat> I talk about encryption of Java classes
[12:47:45] <GreenHat> which is backed by some card.
[12:48:04] <GreenHat> I assume comapnies selling solaris java based apps
[12:48:09] <GreenHat> have some solution
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[12:51:21] <solaris_user> GreenHat : can u use smartcard solution?
[12:52:02] <GreenHat> As I understand, you cannot use java encryption with it ; am I right ?
[12:53:02] <solaris_user> well i never used aladin solution but i guess it does not support
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[14:43:07] <asyd> so, it is possible to get the kernel arguments for a program in user land ?
[14:43:51] <movement> "kernel arguments" ?
[14:44:04] <jengelh> such as -b
[14:44:20] <jengelh> he wants (linux-style)/proc/cmdline
[14:44:40] <asyd> yup
[14:45:12] <asyd> I'm trying to prepare a master image to be installed via dd (the command) (it's the only solution I have)
[14:45:36] <movement> prtconf -v
[14:45:40] <movement> boot-args value
[14:45:41] <asyd> if it possible, I want pass some extra kernel arguments (like the IP address/netmask/gateway)
[14:45:44] <asyd> ok
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[14:45:48] <movement> plus boot-file
[14:45:58] <asyd> boot-file ?
[14:46:03] <asyd> ah yes in prtconf
[14:46:14] <asyd> hmm
[14:47:10] <asyd> http://kaoru.asyd.net/~asyd/dedibox-solaris.txt
[14:47:21] <asyd> I only have type=unknown items=1
[14:47:22] <asyd>             value=00
[14:47:30] <asyd> while I add some arguments like ttya=
[14:49:37] <asyd> I'll try with extra args though
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[15:00:57] <quasi> asyd: prtconf -v ?
[15:01:57] <asyd> well, I'll try this evening by adding my own arguments and check if I see it in prtconf
[15:02:23] <quasi> asyd: there's different interfaces for different things - much info is gotten from kstat
[15:03:10] <asyd> ok
[15:03:40] <quasi> other things are readble with snmp
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[15:37:56] <jteo> re.
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[16:05:26] <jteo> wb oxygene.
[16:05:35] <oxygene> thanks
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[16:27:06] <PPRO> Hi all
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[16:39:36] <Berny_> hi
[16:50:51] <elektronkind> heya
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[17:09:51] <axisys> anyone knows if memset (in container) will be available in next release of sol 10?
[17:11:13] <quasi> axisys: http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=754 - doesn't mention it ;)
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[17:16:37] <axisys> quasi: :-(
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[17:19:06] <Berny_> hmpf
[17:19:38] <Berny_> why does my local patchserver start to download a file when i run smpatch update and then stops and deletes the download?
[17:22:01] <Berny_> and doesn't start any other download after that :-\
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[17:34:32] <sickness> afternoon all :)
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[18:02:55] <stevel> anyone want to do a real simple code review for me?
[18:03:32] <stevel> http://cr.grommit.com/~stevel/socal_fix/
[18:05:08] <axisys> how do i sent dns query to a resolver on one of its interface and have the resolver reply back on the other interface?
[18:05:21] <movement> stevel: looks fine
[18:07:36] <quasi> stevel: seems to point to sun internal sites
[18:10:33] <kleppari> it does
[18:13:05] <stevel> thanks movement
[18:13:20] <stevel> quasi: yeah, those bug ids should be available on http://bugs.opensolaris.org as well
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[18:25:52] <krozinov> does anyone know what .a file is used for and how its different or related to .so files?
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[18:26:55] <oxygene> krozinov: an .a file is an archive, usually used for keeping a collection of .o files to be used for static linking
[18:28:06] <krozinov> i c
[18:28:07] <krozinov> thanks
[18:28:49] <galt> .a files are obsoleted in 10+
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[18:29:04] <sommerfeld> no.
[18:29:35] <sommerfeld> we don't ship as many of them but they're still supported.
[18:29:48] <sommerfeld> in the sense that you can create your own
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[18:30:37] <galt> okay, SYSTEM .a files are obsoleted in 10+
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[18:36:27] <stevel> hey andrei :)
[18:36:39] <andrei> morning steve
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[18:37:14] <andrei> stevel: are you going with us to bombay garden tomorrow?
[18:38:23] <Ludo_> it's possible to upgrade solaris10 by the network?
[18:38:41] <hile_> certainly
[18:38:48] <stevel> andrei: not sure if i have time... i may have to stay and babysit the opensolaris site when we roll out the SCM bits tomorrow
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[18:40:12] <andrei> stevel: it's finally happening?
[18:40:20] <jteo> eh?
[18:41:07] <stevel> SVN is happening tomorrow; we're having some issues with Hg... so Hg might be delayed a bit
[18:41:20] <hile_> issues with Mercury?
[18:41:33] <andrei> stevel: but people inside sun still use sccs, right?
[18:41:42] <stevel> no, Mercurial is fine - it's issues with our scripts :)
[18:41:54] <stevel> andrei: correct, i don't anticipate that changing until Dec/Jan
[18:42:08] <hile_> I rather like SCCS
[18:42:15] <sommerfeld> well, teamware+sccs, not raw sccs
[18:42:27] <hile_> from waht i've read of TW I like that too
[18:42:32] <hile_> I just don't have a license anymore.
[18:42:33] <andrei> teamware is nice... I miss it a lot
[18:42:40] * andrei is using perforce now
[18:42:55] <hile_> that went away when I the department I used to work for at PSU no longer installed Forte6u2
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[19:23:43] <gdamore> hi *
[19:24:00] <gdamore> anyone around who can answer a Solaris 10 conskbd question?
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[19:26:10] <axisys> how do i assign a fix amount of physical memory to a zone? not rss
[19:26:20] <axisys> i have a T2000
[19:26:39] <axisys> i want to assign 7G (16G) to the oracle zone
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[19:28:22] <dwc-> can you do that?
[19:29:04] <axisys> i know u can use rcap.max-rss .. but is there any thing similar for physical size?
[19:29:36] <gdamore> i am trying to figure out when CONSPOLLEDIO_V1 was added to Solaris.  anyone know?
[19:29:41] <axisys> or is it only availabe with memset, which is not availabe for sol 10 u2
[19:29:48] <gdamore> (found in sys/consdev.h)
[19:30:08] <richlowe> stevel: told ya'
[19:30:13] <dwc-> are you trying to configure a max for the zone, or reserve a minimum for the zone
[19:30:26] <stevel> richlowe: :)
[19:31:12] <axisys> dwc well for now just max
[19:32:21] <dwc-> gdamore: http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/history/on/usr/src/uts/common/sys/consdev.h .... looks like it existed in the 2005/06/08 version ...
[19:32:38] <richlowe> gdamore: if it was annidition, I'd expect it was part of coherent console.
[19:32:53] <richlowe> but as dwc- said, it doesn't look to be.
[19:32:57] <gdamore> wow.  i didn't know i could look in history prior to OpenSolaris.  very cool.
[19:33:14] <dwc-> I don't think you can ....
[19:33:19] <dwc-> I expect that's why I can't see anything earlier than 5.30
[19:33:32] <gdamore> ah.  that makes sense.
[19:33:47] <gdamore> i think it was probably added in 5.29.  i helped write that bit, and sent diffs back to sun. :-)
[19:34:01] <stevel> you can see comments, but no code deltas
[19:34:40] <gdamore> ah, but i have bug refrerences i nthe comments.  this is useful: http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6236072
[19:34:41] <dwc-> you might bea ble to figure it out from the bugs
[19:34:51] <gdamore> it looks like came in to S10u1.
[19:35:16] <dwc-> my sparcle is dead, or I could check u0 for you
[19:35:54] <gdamore> why is it dead? :-)  my SPARCLE still has S9 on it.
[19:36:08] <dwc-> fell asleep
[19:36:14] <dwc-> accidentally knocked it off the bed
[19:36:17] <gdamore> i need to get the data off the drive and upgrade it to something more reasonable.  it has a copy of S8 source on it.
[19:36:33] <gdamore> ouch.  so does it not power on at all?
[19:36:45] <dwc-> something between the DC in and the rest of the system must have gotten knocked
[19:36:52] <dwc-> it powers on, but the battery died
[19:36:59] <dwc-> or rather, is out of charge :P
[19:37:16] <gdamore> okay, so its not "dead", just needs a charge.  had me worried there. :-)
[19:37:25] <dwc-> well, the battery needs a charge
[19:37:30] <dwc-> but I don't have anything to charge it other than the sparcle
[19:37:42] <dwc-> and the sparcle isn't taking DC from the power supply
[19:37:58] <dwc-> so it's been dead the last couple days
[19:37:59] <gdamore> okay, so you have a real problem then.  the power charging circuit is busted?
[19:38:12] <dwc-> I suspect so
[19:38:34] <gdamore> hmmm... is it still under warranty?  maybe i can help get a repair expedited for you
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[19:39:14] <dwc-> I was hoping I'd just killed the adapter plug... but the multimeter measures 19.4V out, so I think it's the laptop
[19:39:21] <gdamore> does the DC work for powering the unit on?  (I.e. can you run with the unit plugged in?)
[19:39:24] <dwc-> I don't know if it is or not... I suspect not
[19:39:26] <dwc-> nope
[19:39:39] <gdamore> try _removing_ the battery and see if you can.
[19:39:50] <dwc-> I'll try it when I get home
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[19:40:14] <gdamore> okay.  if it is out of warranty let me know.  i might be able to work something out for you seperately.
[19:40:35] <dwc-> oh, okay. thanks
[19:40:37] <gdamore> (having active community members with working hardware is important to us.  at least IMO)
[19:41:16] <dwc-> so is the community going to get the source to the tadpole drivers and stuff? :)
[19:41:31] <dwc-> and maybe binary drivers for u1/u2 ;)
[19:42:46] <gdamore> i'm trying to get source for some of them.  some of them i can't give source to, due to NDAs.  e.g. the m64 is under NDA from Sun, and the SDcard/memstick stuff is under NDA from the trade associations
[19:43:09] <gdamore> we've already arranged to get some stuff into Solaris though.  E.g. our cardbus stack is in OpenSolaris.
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[19:43:20] <pjlv> has anyone seen this error "mount: /dev/dsk/cxtyd0s0 is not of this fstype"? but "fstyp /dev/rdsk/cxtyd0s0" returns "ufs" and this prevents mounting of the root slice.
[19:43:20] * dwc- nods
[19:43:37] <dwc-> that's cool... how about the wifi?
[19:43:48] <gdamore> to get more, I have to get a VP to sign the SCA.  its painful.
[19:44:10] <gdamore> certainly.  i want to give my prism changes back.  there are substantial bug fixes in it that the Solaris pcpw driver lacks.
[19:44:11] <dwc-> what... legal stuff is fun. really.
[19:44:47] <dwc-> oh, the tadwifi is a prism?
[19:44:57] <gdamore> heh.  i have a director's approval already.  but its trying to nail down a VP that is a PITA.  i think we can convince him if we get him to sit down for 5 minutes.
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[19:45:13] <gdamore> yes. its a PRISM 2.5.  (that used to be confidential info, but i think it is moot now)
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[19:45:35] <axisys> it is recommended not use to use rcap to limit memory usage on shared memory-intensive applications like Oracle
[19:45:38] <axisys> hmm..
[19:46:04] <gdamore> i also have a fullmac driver for Conexant Crossbow, but you can't find hardware for that a/b/g chip anywhere anymore
[19:46:45] <axisys> Oracle also recommends in container with cap'd cpus and not FSS.. hmm
[19:46:45] <gdamore> (our selection of conexant, and then their incompetence and unavaiability, is why we still don't have a/b/g on our SPARC hardware)
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[19:46:58] <axisys> oracle is just  PITA
[19:48:04] <dwc-> prism2.5 should support wpa then too, if the firmware's new enough
[19:48:20] <gdamore> that's one of the things my code does -- autodownload firmware into RAM. :-)
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[19:48:36] <dwc-> that machine's currently the weakest link in my wireless network
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[19:49:02] <gdamore> we don't have wpa in our driver, because getting a full up supplicant was a major PITA.  but now maybe i can just leverage what's already done in OpenSolaris
[19:49:15] <dwc-> that's what I was thinking
[19:49:38] <dwc-> opensolaris has the wpa packages for the atheros drivers
[19:49:49] <gdamore> my plan for OpenSolaris/Solaris 11 support on this stuff is to eliminate as much of the Tadpole custom code as possible, integrating stuff into OS if needed
[19:49:53] <sommerfeld> i'm envisioning the process of nailing a vp's foot to the floor...
[19:50:04] <gdamore> heh, i wish. :-)
[19:50:06] <dwc-> that would be nice
[19:51:23] <gdamore> anyway, we even have looked at Atheros on SPARC, but we need to get Sam Leffler to do a custom build to make the HAL work in the SPARC kernel.  Mgmt has balked at spending the few $K he wants to do the work (or maybe balked isn't the right word, but they've put a hold on any extra spending right now)
[19:51:46] <gdamore> I was going to take a look at ral, but I need to go out and find some hardware.
[19:52:53] <gdamore> (I don't even know if RAL is available in miniPCI)
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[20:00:43] <stevel> fucking a
[20:01:01] <stevel> why... of all times does the fire alarm have to go off while opensolaris.org is down
[20:01:08] <stevel> you have got to be kidding me
[20:01:19] <dwc-> "opensolaris.org is down! emergency! sound the alarms!"
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[20:02:52] <stevel> okay, opensolaris.org is back up
[20:02:57] <stevel> gotta run and evacuate the building now
[20:03:05] * stevel is away (fire alarm)
[20:03:30] <AbeFroman> hopefully it's just an alarm
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[20:10:22] <jamesd> hopefully  opensolaris.org is not just an ipx sitting next to  stevel's desk ;-p
[20:10:44] <gdamore> heh.  it would explain some things... :-)
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[20:16:49] <andrei> stevel: false alarm?
[20:17:13] <stevel> either that or they've decided i'm expendable and it's cheaper to let me burn than give me a package
[20:17:14] <stevel> :-P
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[20:28:38] <chazire> Hello all -- new opensolaris user here.  Can anyone help with a DNS problem?
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[20:29:29] <jamesd> nah no one here has ever setup dns, in fact no one has ever connected a sun/solaris computer to a network... oh dear such evil thoughts.
[20:29:48] <chazire> har
[20:30:36] <chazire> Maybe I should explain.  I'm running under vmware and have dhcp working, but can't get dns resolutions.
[20:30:47] <quasi> jamesd: why bother? isn't solaris internet enabled? shoudln't that imply that the internet is on there? not really needing to connect to anything
[20:31:54] <chazire> I did replace nsswitch.conf with nsswitch.dns
[20:32:01] <clee> Madame Secretary, I don't think you understand. Good men and women died on this ship because someone wanted a faster computer to make life easier. So I'm sorry if I'm inconveniencing you and your teachers, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let you or anyone else put a computer network on this ship while I'm in command. Now, is that clear?
[20:32:19] <jamesd> chazire, easiest way is to run   sys-config  and give it a static ip address and give it the ip# of the dns server when asked
[20:32:30] <jamesd> er sys-unconfig
[20:33:51] <chazire> I'll give sys-unconfig a try
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[20:35:03] <sommerfeld> failing that, replacing nsswitch.conf and setting up resolv.conf appropriately usually does the trick
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[20:37:04] <chazire> I already configured nsswitch.conf and resolv.conf (I think) correctly.  Waiting for a reboot after sys-unconfig
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[21:18:06] <_william_> hi all
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[21:20:44] <axisys> anyone here installed oracle in a zone in T2000 or like?
[21:20:59] <axisys> let me rephrase my question
[21:21:05] <axisys> anyone here installed oracle in a zone?
[21:21:49] <axisys> i am trying to find out if i should and how to resource control memory
[21:21:50] <asyd> I installed an oracle 9 few months ago
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[21:22:10] <asyd> well, you can define the maximum shared memory size
[21:22:23] <asyd> but not the memory size, you can try rcapd but hmm
[21:23:17] <axisys> should i just run this in oracle zone? prctl -n project.max-shm-memory -v 7516192768 -r -i zone oracle
[21:23:28] <axisys> i want to give it 7G
[21:23:45] <axisys> 1/4 of total phy mem is recommended
[21:23:46] <quasi> but you don't really need to - oracle uses the memory resources you give it - so no need to tweak os level
[21:24:23] <asyd> quasi: btw, do you want a resume about my story and the server ? :p
[21:24:57] <axisys> quasi: how do i give it memory resources? using rcap.max-rss ?
[21:25:05] <jamesd> my mother-in-law way in a plane crash http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/10/mother-in-law.html
[21:25:09] <asyd> axisys: by editing the oracle config file ?
[21:25:18] <quasi> asyd: I think I got most of it this morning - pointing devfsadm at /a helped?
[21:25:37] <asyd> quasi: oh well, I mean about the server. The solaris is now booted yeah, very thanks to you
[21:25:38] <quasi> axisys: just do your oracle config right
[21:25:49] <quasi> asyd: excellent
[21:26:00] <quasi> asyd: this wasn't the via box was it?
[21:26:04] <axisys> quasi, asyd so no need to use rcap or prctl
[21:26:08] <asyd> right
[21:26:22] <quasi> axisys: not really, no
[21:26:25] <asyd> and I learn this morning than a company resell it for all people
[21:26:45] <quasi> asyd: are they selling your machine? ;)
[21:26:53] <axisys> the other zones are just normal stuff .. i can just use rcap for those with the left over memory correct?
[21:27:06] <chazire> Hi all -- about my DNS problems under vmware, turns out running a VPN on the host maching was horking things
[21:27:11] <asyd> so you'll able to get one for ~50$ per month (160GB HD, 1GB ram, VIA C7 2GHz, and full 100mb/s w/o bandwith limitation)
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[21:27:31] <sickness> i'm back
[21:27:37] <quasi> asyd: that's not bad
[21:27:49] <asyd> I don't know how is the price for us people, in france it's only 30 Euro, while only one mb/s on other company cost 20euros
[21:28:12] <asyd> so it's _very_ cheap
[21:28:25] <quasi> asyd: about the same as http://www.hetzner.de/rootserver_en.html - only slightly more
[21:28:53] <asyd> well, this one is a virtual server, isn't it ?
[21:28:57] <quasi> asyd: got a url? and do they support solaris?
[21:29:00] <quasi> asyd: nope
[21:29:06] <axisys> how would rcap make sure that it is not using sharing memory with oracle zone and other zones?
[21:29:11] <asyd> no, they don't support solaris officially
[21:29:24] <Error_404> i haven't seen a single hosting company that supports solaris
[21:29:27] <asyd> that's why I'm working about a non official way to install a solaris from linux
[21:29:36] <quasi> Error_404: I've seen one on zones discuss
[21:29:41] <Error_404> with the exception of buying a machine and just paying for a couple RU
[21:29:44] <asyd> interesting
[21:30:29] <asyd> the only bad point with dedibox (the name of the french company) that is not possible to have more than one public ip address
[21:30:36] <axisys> can i make sure rest of the zones rcap does not use the memory portion that oracle zone using?
[21:31:25] <quasi> Error_404: http://www.mod3.co.uk/ and Dan Price follows up saying there are several options
[21:32:03] <axisys> i have 16G total.. if i ask oracle zone to use say 6G and rcap the into other 4 zones will it sound kosher?
[21:33:14] <asyd> you should check oracle doc axisys
[21:34:21] <quasi> axisys: not the oracle zone, oracle itself
[21:35:15] <axisys> quasi: so i can just rcap the oracle zone and have oracle use available memory in the zone?
[21:36:58] * quasi must not be speaking the same language as axisys
[21:37:48] <axisys> hehe
[21:38:17] <quasi> axisys: like yesterday, you conclude the exact opposite of what I say
[21:38:39] * quasi unfortunately has no time for that game
[21:38:54] <asyd> :))
[21:39:02] <asyd> quasi: I understand you..
[21:39:17] <quasi> asyd: yeah, there seems to be no problems there
[21:39:31] <axisys> quasi: sorry dude.. didnt plan on it.. just trying to hash out anything i might have missed
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[22:03:38] <axisys> check this out guys.. this is all I had to do..
[22:03:51] <axisys> ps -u oracle -o user,project,comm to get the project where oracle runs
[22:05:02] <axisys> and then run this.. projmod -sK "project.max-shm-memory=(privileged,7G,deny)" ora_proj
[22:05:10] <axisys> inside the zone..
[22:05:12] <axisys> that is all
[22:06:14] <chazire> Is there something similar to Linux's gpm under OpenSolaris (b48)?  E.g., select, copy, paste on the console?
[22:06:50] <jamesd> gpm could possibly run if ported.. else you can use   screen
[22:08:04] <chazire> I see screen is on blastwave.  I'll take a look at it.  Thx.
[22:09:33] <quasi> chazire: screen is also on the companion cd if you're not in the mood for blastwave.
[22:10:27] <chazire> Thanks.
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[22:15:09] <dwc-> max shm? is physical memory?
[22:16:14] <delewis> I think it's SVR4/POSIX shared memory
[22:17:11] <elektronkind> I take it that ZFS and libdiskmgt
[22:17:14] <elektronkind> er
[22:17:27] <elektronkind> I take it that libdiskmgt isn't stable/public?
[22:18:21] <sickness> what's the best unix, console, bittorrent client?
[22:18:55] <axisys> dwc-: shared memory
[22:19:26] <axisys> did not find any recommendation or hack or resource control based on phy mem... may be with memset in future release
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[22:31:38] <Berny_> where does that bloody patchserver log it's action (and why doesn't it just work?)
[22:32:09] <quasi> Berny_: smpatch prints which files it logs to
[22:33:05] <Berny_> smpatch get you mean?
[22:33:23] <Stric> sickness: try rtorrent or bittorrent
[22:33:26] <Berny_> doesn't say a word about logging :-\
[22:33:27] <quasi> that's what I said
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[22:35:33] <sickness> Stric: tnx, I'm already fond of bittorrent, but I wanted to try also something other, I'm eveluating bittornado and I'll try rtorrent :)
[22:36:07] <Stric> sickness: bittorrent/bittornado is tomato/tomato-difference.. rtorrent is way different
[22:39:34] <asyd> quasi: do you have few minutes ? :p
[22:39:45] <quasi> asyd: yeah
[22:40:04] <asyd> I add my own parameter in grub (e.g. '-z ipaddress')
[22:40:43] <asyd> I can see it via prtconf -v | grep -- '-z' but I'm looking for a better way to get the kernel variable boot-args
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[22:41:05] <asyd> I tried a bit with mdb -k but since I'm not very familiar with it, that doesn't help
[22:41:31] <dwc-> axisys: that's what I thought... as long as it works for you?
[22:42:07] <aiki_kid> is there a cmd like linux top for solaris?
[22:42:07] <quasi> asyd: I'm sure there is a way - maybe the internals book has hints, but I left that at work
[22:42:22] <asyd> ok
[22:42:24] <mrdeviant> aiki_kid, prstat
[22:42:25] <aiki_kid> or any other way to see mu cpu utilization?
[22:42:26] <asyd> aiki_kid: prtstat
[22:42:31] <aiki_kid> thank
[22:42:33] <asyd> oups
[22:42:36] <quasi> mpstat
[22:42:58] <asyd> I naively tried mdb -k ; > boot-args.. :p
[22:43:06] <sickness> beh uhm, but rtorrent is more difficult I'll study it =)
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[22:45:05] <Berny_> hmm, it seems that smpatch tries to download the patch but the local patchserver doesn't do a single bit...
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[23:16:49] <asyd> anyone can send me SUNWzsh for solaris 10u2 x86 ? :p
[23:30:33] <elektronkind> what's the magic word?
[23:31:49] <quasi> asyd: sorry, I only have 10u3 handy
[23:32:54] <elektronkind> http://elektronkind.org/SUNWzsh.tar.gz
[23:32:56] <elektronkind> enjoy
[23:33:04] <Berny_> hmm is getupdates.sun.com/solaris down or is it me?
[23:35:31] <asyd> hmm I don't understand, I put a script in /etc/init.d, hardlink from /etc/rc2.d/S10dedibox.zsh  but it is not executed at boot time
[23:36:09] <asyd> ah hmm
[23:36:47] <elektronkind> is it exectuable? :)
[23:38:15] <asyd> yup
[23:38:32] <asyd> calling it with /etc/rc2.d/script working
[23:42:14] <asyd> ah, solaris doesn't like my zsh init scripts :p
[23:46:25] <hile_> There is a REASON why init scripts are written in sh
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[23:47:00] <alanc> "old habits die hard" ?
[23:51:19] <hile_> arguably, "zsh is an optional component
[23:51:21] <hile_> dont depend on it
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[23:57:46] <asyd> well, I just write a sh script which call /bin/zsh myscript :p
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