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[00:10:26] <aroman> hello
[00:10:44] <aroman> I finally have a box on which Solaris works! :) sort of
[00:10:54] <aroman> but solaris doesn't see my second hard drive
[00:11:06] <aroman> I added it after the installation, on the secondary IDE channel
[00:11:18] <aroman> linux sees it, so I know it works...
[00:11:41] <aroman> any special procedure or anything? The chipset is an i810, so the IDE controller is an ICH-something
[00:12:45] <Stric> devfsadm -v
[00:13:26] <aroman> nvm... I got it to see the disk.. google... :$ I feel ashamed :(
[00:13:27] <aroman> damn
[00:13:32] <aroman> zfs is too old on this new box
[00:13:34] <aroman> :'(
[00:14:00] <aroman> I made the pool with a snv46, and the box is running sol10 u2
[00:14:37] <aroman> any way to move back to this older version without losing the data?
[00:14:50] <richlowe> no.
[00:14:56] <aroman> :(
[00:15:05] <richlowe> well, you could boot snv46 or newer, back the data up, then go back to u2, and restore it.
[00:15:08] <aroman> So I'm gonna have to install a snv solaris...
[00:15:18] <aroman> I don't have enough space to back up :(
[00:15:58] <aroman> hmm ok, latest is 49, then?
[00:16:09] <Stric> see topic
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[00:18:18] <aroman> could I use my zfs pool on the latest nexenta release?
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[00:28:14] <jamesd_> its the same kernel and userland tools.. it should work
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[00:31:02] <aroman> jamesd_, ok, downloading now...
[00:31:07] <aroman> what is this BrandZ thing?
[00:31:25] <jamesd_> it allows you to run  linux apps inside of a zone
[00:31:33] <aroman> ah
[00:31:34] <aroman> cool
[00:31:45] <aroman> including games? ^_^
[00:32:14] <jamesd_> no idea...
[00:32:15] <jamesd_> brb
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[00:33:52] <Juko> Hi, what is the way to fix it? I cannot remove the package tcpdump
[00:33:58] <Juko> pkgrm  SFWtdmp
[00:34:01] <Juko> and I see
[00:34:06] <Juko> pkgrm: ERROR: bad read of contents file
[00:34:07] <Juko> etc
[00:34:13] <Juko> any idea how to force it?
[00:34:38] <_william_> gn
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[00:35:35] <Juko> gn= to me?
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[00:52:52] <aroman> any way to update just the zfs of a solaris 10 u2 install?
[00:54:36] <jamesd_> not that i know of
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[01:03:47] <aroman> ok...
[01:03:57] <aroman> I'm gonna try nexenta and see how that is
[01:04:14] <aroman> if not I'll be installing snv49 or 46 them update
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[01:43:18] <delewis> c~
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[01:55:20] <s3tup> whats the differences Solaris express / nexentaOS / beleniX and schiliX ?
[01:56:07] <delewis> everything
[01:56:15] <delewis> except the fact they're all OpenSolaris-based distributions.
[01:56:59] <s3tup> then which should i choose ?
[01:57:34] <delewis> whichever one suites your heart's desire.
[01:59:39] <delewis> though, if you want to build ON, you'll probably want to use Solaris Express
[01:59:56] <delewis> I hear there's been some work done on Schillix to enable you to build successfully, as well, but I haven't tried it.
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[02:00:45] <s3tup> is there any guides/tips on how to choose which i should install ?
[02:01:04] <delewis> do you know anything about each of the distributions?
[02:01:12] <delewis> this is what Google is for.
[02:01:35] <s3tup> delewis : im googling atm
[02:01:46] <s3tup> was hoping if anyone here has the links :)
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[02:58:36] <kimc> good night from Detroit
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[03:30:20] <aroman> I seem to have forgotten to install libgnutls...
[03:30:27] <aroman> so samba doesn't work
[03:30:43] <aroman> anyone happen to know on which CD it is? I have the snv46 CDs
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[03:47:03] <silly_girl22__> how can i install php and mysql????
[03:47:14] <silly_girl22__> whats the recommended way?
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[03:56:22] <solaris_girl> im back
[03:56:33] <solaris_girl> my other name
[03:56:50] <solaris_girl> so how can i get php and mysql in solaris 10 x86?
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[03:59:29] <axisys> solaris_girl: http://hell.jedicoder.net/?p=85
[04:02:22] <hile_> hile_ Some version of MySQL ships with Solaris
[04:02:22] <hile_> hile_ (packages SUNWmysqlr SUNWmysqlu SUNWmysqlt)
[04:02:33] <hile_> hile_ php, i would roll my own or install from, eg, sunfreeware since whatever version is on the companion CD is most likely bloody old
[04:03:14] <solaris_girl> so i should just use pkg-get install php?
[04:03:45] <solaris_girl> should i just through the companion dvd out of the window?
[04:04:34] <hile_> i use some things from the companion DVD
[04:04:47] <hile_> but not htings that are likely to be holier than the pope
[04:05:41] <hile_> when i say roll your own, determine what version you need, grab the source and build it yourself
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[04:36:58] <Doc> evening
[04:37:47] <hile_> how goes, Doc?
[04:38:18] <Doc> tired...  too much travelling
[04:38:37] <hile_> me too, but not from travelling but form work.
[04:38:50] <Doc> (ok, so theres no such thing as too much traveling, but hey....)
[04:38:59] <hile_> This is true
[04:39:08] <hile_> You headed over this way anytime soon?
[04:39:15] <Doc> mine started as work, onto personal now
[04:39:30] <hile_> nice.
[04:39:38] <Doc> where exactly is "this way"?
[04:39:45] <hile_> eastern US
[04:40:11] <Doc> in florida atthe moment - does that count? :)
[04:40:18] <hile_> I'm about 25 miles north of Philly, so given traffic, 45min to an hour into Philly or an hour or so by train to NYC.
[04:40:21] <hile_> well damn.
[04:40:38] <hile_> If you were in my area, I was going ot say the pints are on me.
[04:40:47] <Doc> just about to hop on a plane to peru
[04:40:57] <hile_> you've helped me out enough over the years that I certainly owe you a couple pints.
[04:41:02] <Doc> in NYC in 3 1/2 weeks time
[04:41:03] <hile_> sounds fun.
[04:41:06] <hile_> oh cool..
[04:41:32] <Doc> dont think i have much/any free time tho
[04:41:53] <hile_> ah damn.
[04:41:56] <richlowe> it's NY, skip out on something and blame traffic.
[04:41:59] <richlowe> nobody will bat an eye.
[04:42:07] <hile_> or the subways being fucked up
[04:42:10] <Doc> depends how many days i end up staying< but at most its only going to be about 3
[04:42:19] <hile_> ah ok.
[04:42:19] <richlowe> say the words "Holland tunnel", and "Traffic".
[04:42:22] <richlowe> then go drink all night.
[04:42:24] <hile_> hahahaha
[04:42:28] <Doc> nah, not there for work
[04:43:17] <hile_> richlowe: my gf lived in jersey city for a while; I drove right past the entrance to the tunnel on my way out of there on monday mornings heading back to State College when I was working at PSU
[04:43:43] <hile_> by about 8am, traffic going into the city was backed up a good 10 miles at least
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[05:50:45] <brendang> G'Day
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[05:53:36] <jamesd> hi brendang
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[05:57:00] <bank> morning all.
[05:57:11] <steleman> hi brendang
[06:07:20] <brendang> Hi guys
[06:07:33] <brendang> I really should get irssi or something - back on the opensolaris.org web interface
[06:09:37] <Peanut> I can certainly recommend irssi, brendang
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[06:10:43] <bank> I use Bersirc.
[06:10:49] <Doc> well that was fun
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[06:11:16] <Doc> got on the plane, and the pilot decided he didnt like the color, so we all got off again
[06:20:19] <brendang> Doc: you make it back to Aus?
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[06:22:54] <Doc> no...  florida or something
[06:23:05] <Doc> think i goot on the wrong plane...
[06:28:38] <Doc> ok... here we go again
[06:28:54] <bank__> I redowonload again but tar xfv brandz-release-43.tar.bz2 still tar: directory checksum error
[06:29:12] <bank__> if I use tar xfvj  thne tar: j: unknown function modifier
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[06:29:26] <Peanut> bank: sounds like you need to bunzip2 it by hand because your tar can't do that.
[06:29:46] <Peanut> So bunzip2 brandz-release-xxx.tar.bz2, then untar that.
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[06:33:47] <bank__> it's work.
[06:34:03] <bank__> ./bfu.sh /storage3/benr/BrandZ/brandz-release-43/i386/nightly/
[06:35:40] <bank__> generic.root missing or in unknown compression format ...... bfu aborting
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[06:37:17] <bank__> echo generic.root*`
[06:40:54] <bank__> what is generic.root .. I try to read  http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/tools/scripts/bfu.sh
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[06:42:03] <bank__> ok ..I will searching more ..
[06:45:15] <bank__> I following the BrandZ BFU step from Ben (http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=734) except " export FASTFS,BFULD,GZIPBIN"
[06:46:32] <bank__> export FASTFS=/opt/onbld/bin/`uname -p`/fastfs
[06:46:33] <bank__> FASTFS=/opt/onbld/bin/i386/fastfs: is not an identifier
[06:46:51] <boyd> That error means that you are running the bourne shell.
[06:47:15] <twincest> drat, made coffee without boiling the kettle again.
[06:47:18] <boyd> Either run a better shell (ksh, bash, zsh) or use FASTFS=/opt/onbld/bin/`uname -p`/fastfs export FASTFS
[06:47:19] <twincest> fortunately it's still hot
[06:47:28] <boyd> twincest: I hate that
[06:50:27] <bank__> still "generic.root missing or in unknown compression format" . Do I need to redownload or something ..
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[06:56:00] <yongsun> guys, if GPL/LGPL source code is able to dynamically/statically link to CDDL libs? And if we can release our source code in other licenses (such as LGPL) under OpenSolaris.org?
[06:56:28] <yongsun> from http://www.opensolaris.org/os/about/faq/licensing_faq/#why-not-GPL, and http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses
[06:57:12] <yongsun> I am a little confused, whether GPL or LGPL code could link to CDDL libs?
[06:57:46] <twincest> i am certain that GPL code can link to CDDL Solaris libraries
[06:57:55] <twincest> otherwise no GNU code could be shipped with Solaris
[06:57:58] <boyd> Certainly can. Many GPL  progs are distributed with solaris. gcc gtar gzip
[06:58:04] <twincest> the answer might be different for non-Solaris CDDL code..
[06:58:23] <boyd> They are also shipped with some less open Unix variants
[06:59:06] <yongsun> twincest, boyd, thank you so much, but from the statement sin http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#GPLIncompatibleLicenses, seems that FSF have different idea?
[06:59:26] <twincest> yong: the GPL has an exemption for libraries shipping with the OS itself
[07:00:03] <yongsun> Quoted: "So, a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason."
[07:00:19] <twincest> yong: that doesn't apply to libraries covered by the excemption
[07:00:35] <twincest> yong: otherwise how could Sun, SCO, SGI, ... ship GNU utilities with their OSs? (which they have done for years)
[07:00:48] <dwc-> the FSF doesn't really want you to ever use a license other than the GPL, period
[07:01:22] <twincest> IRIX for example is closed source, but it's fine to link gcc with IRIX libc and distribute it, because libc is part of the OS
[07:01:37] <twincest> same with (open)solaris
[07:01:46] <yongsun> twincest, gcc and glibc are LGPL, right?
[07:02:02] <twincest> i thought gcc was GPL, but it applies to both in any case
[07:02:08] <twincest> substitute gcc with any GPL'd software
[07:02:35] <twincest> what you _can't_ do is take some CDDL code which is _not_ shipped with Solaris, and link it with GPL code
[07:02:52] <twincest> but there's little (no?) CDDL code like that existing at the moment
[07:03:31] <twincest> what's more of a pain is that you can't take cddl code from solaris and put it into (e.g.) a GPL'd Linux application
[07:03:39] * boyd doesn't mention cdrecord
[07:03:54] <yongsun> twincest, you mean CDDL code should not be shipped in other unix system?
[07:04:05] <boyd> No, he said GPL
[07:04:27] <yongsun> boyd, I see,
[07:04:31] <twincest> yong: it can't be linked with gpl code outside of solaris.. e.g. you can't put ZFS (CDDL) in the Linux kernel (GPL)
[07:04:32] <boyd> CDDL has no problem with being shipped elsewhere
[07:04:51] <boyd> GPL has problems with it arriving :)
[07:05:02] <twincest> yes, it's the gpl's fault, not cddl :)
[07:05:15] <yongsun> twincest, boyd, thank you very much, I understand now :)
[07:05:31] <boyd> Take, e.g. the ZFS port to freebsd. No probs there
[07:05:38] <twincest> that _doesn't_ apply to LGPL, i believe (that's the point of the lgpl)
[07:05:53] <twincest> e.g. you can compile a CDDL program and link it with glibc, because glibc is LGPL
[07:06:27] <boyd> Actually, techically you *can* link CDDL code into, e.g. Linux, but you just can't distribute it. To anyone.
[07:06:48] <twincest> boyd: the FSF objects even if you distribute the source, right?  even if it's allowed..
[07:07:19] <boyd> I wouldn't be surprised. They object to many things.
[07:07:54] <yongsun> twincest, so, either lgpl'd application can not link to CDDL library in a linux distribution, right?
[07:08:03] <boyd> Something about the definition of a derived work (which is not well established) being related to the ability to stand alone
[07:08:14] <twincest> yong: i believe you can link a LGPL program to a CDDL library
[07:08:27] <yongsun> twincest, I see,
[07:08:28] <yongsun> :)
[07:08:43] <yongsun> twincest, another question, can we release our source code in other licenses (such as LGPL) under OpenSolaris.org?
[07:08:56] <yongsun> twincest, or, we must use CDDL
[07:09:08] <twincest> yong: that i don't know
[07:09:18] <twincest> ther wifi stuff is not CDDL, but i don't think it's GPL either
[07:09:44] <yongsun> twincest, thank you so much, you really help me out :)
[07:09:45] <boyd> I don't even know who you would ask... other than -discuss
[07:10:22] <bank__> err ..
[07:10:35] <bank__> excuse me
[07:10:46] <bank__> Does anyone know how to  ./bfu.sh /export/local/brandZ-b43/    ./bfu.sh /export/local/brandZ-b43/  ./bfu.sh /export/local/brandZ-b43/    bfu aborting
[07:15:27] <yongsun> twincest, boyd, I think such problem should be addressed in the FAQ of CDDL license :)
[07:16:28] <boyd> I agree... if only we could get some consensus on the answer
[07:17:10] <richlowe> twincest: the wifi stuff is from the BSDs iirc, and licensed as there.
[07:17:25] <richlowe> boyd: I would agree, if I didn't know what trying to do that would cause. :)
[07:17:55] <richlowe> why would you BFU brandz 43?
[07:18:00] <yongsun> boyd, I heared opensolaris may have dual-license, CDDL+GPL, is it true?
[07:18:05] <boyd> I was wondering the same thing about b43
[07:18:13] <boyd> yongsun: Not at the moment
[07:18:30] <richlowe> bank__: BrandZ integrated into onnv_49, which is the build of SX:CR that's currently available.
[07:18:40] <richlowe> as far as I know, there's no reason to bfu BrandZ bits in general, never mind *old* BrandZ bits.
[07:19:37] <richlowe> boyd: Real clarity on the licenses to that degree is unlikely to happen.
[07:20:02] <richlowe> boyd: you'd need lawyers to answer it, no lawyer is going to provide real legal advice to someone not retaining them, never mind a theoretically infinite group not retaining them.
[07:20:18] <boyd> Indeed... I suppose we could have an entry that says something like "this is disputed, but the general opinion seems to be..."
[07:20:29] <bank__> richlowe: can I download SXCR:49 and update remotely via vnc without burn DVD from Home and go to site?
[07:20:32] <twincest> just sue someone and find out
[07:20:41] <richlowe> and asking "The community" as people persist in calling it just creates a 150 mail flamewar where everyone pretends to be a lawyer, 3 people talk about the jurisdiction of some random country nobody had even considered, and nobody learns anything.
[07:20:48] <bank__> richlowe: I already have 3 zones run on zfs.
[07:20:56] * boyd wishes that some of the Sun lawyer time spent on the PPC opensourcing was spent on some license clarification
[07:21:17] * boyd handles SIGCHLD
[07:21:30] <twincest> they opensourced the ppc stuff?
[07:21:39] <richlowe> twincest: cynical enough for you? :)
[07:22:35] <bank__> richlowe:because SXCR is big... and to go to the site and insert dvd overthere is quite uncomfortable .. so I am looking to ben website and try to install from bfu.
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[07:23:43] <twincest> don't install a remote server with bfu :)
[07:23:56] <bank__> :O .... why
[07:24:11] <twincest> you'll break it
[07:24:13] <bank__> Error_404 suggest that bfu is not harmful everyone use that.
[07:24:16] <twincest> bfu is very fragile
[07:24:23] <bank__> ( yesterday)
[07:24:39] <boyd> Live upgrade baby
[07:24:55] <bank__> live upgrade .
[07:25:00] * boyd just yesterday did a sol10u2 -> b49 live upgrade from a DVD iso
[07:25:15] <bank__> boyd: remotely via vnc is possible?
[07:25:43] <boyd> Well, there's a reboot for any upgrade so vnc wont help you with that, but for everything else.
[07:25:46] <bank__> (sorry If I fear that interpret english wrong so I need to ask to make sure)
[07:26:07] <boyd> You really want remote console for any upgrade. Or, in fact, any purpose at all IMHO
[07:26:14] <richlowe> liveupgrade remotely is safer than bfu remotely.
[07:26:31] <richlowe> since liveupgrade is actually intended for customers, and supported, at least.
[07:26:39] <bank__> free?
[07:26:47] <boyd> ... and it leaves you with a backout path
[07:26:55] <boyd> bank__: yep, part of solaris
[07:28:01] <richlowe> boyd: so does bfu, you bfu backward and hope for better luck than you had before ;)
[07:28:09] <boyd> bank__: The only thing is you need somewhere for the alternate boot environment to live.
[07:28:15] <bank__> sorry again please, live upgrade is free and VNC live upgrade then it will restart everythings work again. without need to go to the site?
[07:28:18] <boyd> richlowe: Assuming you can boot :)
[07:28:40] <boyd> bank__: LU is free. It is a standard solaris feature
[07:28:57] <boyd> bank__: yes you can do it using vnc or ssh.
[07:29:09] <boyd> bank__: You don't need to visit the site unless something goes wrong.
[07:29:29] <bank__> is that the same as "Solaris registration shortcut" on desktop ? that need serial number ... seem like to buy those number from service plan (I guess)
[07:29:30] <boyd> bank__: I'd be uncomfortable without some kind of remote console
[07:29:39] <richlowe> it doesn't avoid having to download newer media, no.
[07:30:12] <boyd> bank__: The serial number is for a support plan. patches, etc. nothing to do with featuresd
[07:30:26] <richlowe> With all likelyhood though, bfu'ing the brandz_43 archives would be bfu'ing backward and somewhat sideways, which is probably not what you intend.
[07:30:33] <richlowe> and in the long run is *certainly* not going to be any faster.
[07:30:35] * boyd mutters about feature-adding patches but says no more :)
[07:30:43] <richlowe> since it removes the possibility of any further upgrade other than using bfu.
[07:30:53] <boyd> bank__: What version of solaris is on the box now
[07:31:34] <bank__> SXCR b48
[07:31:41] <bank__> ( 25 Sep )
[07:32:23] <bank__> richlowe: Oh!!! I never know that before ..
[07:33:39] <boyd> bank__: Hmm... you missed brandz being in the base by one build :(
[07:33:42] <bank__> I am currently on the wizard of solaris registration.
[07:33:47] <bank__> yes ....
[07:34:47] <bank__> live upgrade  ...
[07:34:59] <bank__> the last answer ..
[07:35:04] <bank__> no now first answer.
[07:37:13] <bank__> I will search how to do that , thank you richlowe and boyd.
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[07:39:30] <bank__> without service plan number you are only eligible for hardware and security update
[07:43:20] <bank__> I think live upgrade != sun update manager
[07:43:29] <twincest> update manager is for patches
[07:44:50] <bank__> I downloading "Solaris Live Upgrade 2.0" from sun.com
[07:47:03] <boyd> bank__: Ok, I clearly didn't make this point obvious enough when I said that "Live Upgrade is a standard solaris feature.... it's part of solaris" That means *you already have it*
[07:47:39] <bank__> boyd: I am confuse.
[07:47:53] <bank__> boyd: What should I going to do ? to get brandZ
[07:48:30] <bank__> boyd:I only want to do remotely .. , Is that To download whole dvd SXCR49 and perform upgrade via VNC.
[07:48:49] <bank__> boyd:until it required to restart and waiting until the system boot again?
[07:48:58] <bank__> this called "live upgrade"
[07:50:54] <boyd> I think you should read some docs.
[07:50:57] <boyd> lemme find a link
[07:51:07] <bank__> ok .. sorry If I always ask too much ..
[07:52:08] <boyd> Not at all... it's just that it's a medium sized topic and I'm kinda trying to deal with 2 kids as well )
[07:52:12] <boyd> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5505
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[08:01:23] <bank__> I am reading that. thank you.
[08:01:30] <boyd> np
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[08:28:16] <Sir-Al> how do you recover a pool from a "FAULTED" state?
[08:30:02] <Triskelios> replace whatever's missing?
[08:30:16] <Sir-Al> Triskelios: nothing is missing?
[08:30:28] <twincest> what does zpool status say?
[08:30:45] <Sir-Al> twincest: status: The pool metadata is corrupted and the pool cannot be opened.
[08:31:08] <twincest> did you change anything since it last worked?
[08:31:43] <Sir-Al> twincest: nothing with the zfs stuff, just transferring files to it
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[08:33:06] <axisys> routing question
[08:33:17] <axisys> i have it setup like this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/lrqXxv13.html
[08:33:51] <axisys> how do i force the traffic to use .97 ?
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[08:34:03] <axisys> instead of .94
[08:34:46] <axisys> for a destination network say 209.211.0.0/16
[08:37:08] <axisys> i tried to add a network like this but failed http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2YCGXD16.html
[08:37:29] <axisys> until i added that route i could traceroute to yahoo
[08:37:49] <axisys> i am sure there is something very simple that I am missing
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[08:45:23] <njd> Axisys: How do you propose getting from a 20X network to the 216 netork?
[08:48:14] <axisys> njd: using the nge0:1 interface as src then 20x.4x.0.1 as final gw
[08:49:31] <axisys> my ultimate goal is to setup a transparent web proxy running squid on .97 interface
[08:51:07] <njd> If I remember correctly, the source IP address in a virtualised environment depends on the interface to which the application binds its sockets.
[08:52:17] <njd> I have seen such a problem where NetSNMP would be sending out packets that would be ignored because they were coming from the "wrong" address.
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[08:53:25] <njd> The best way to ensure that squid sends packets from the 97 address is to ensure that the interface is plumbed and then start squid, with a configuration that states "Listen on the 97 address". I am not sure if this is possible with squid
[08:54:02] <axisys> i guess i could setup a ipfilter rule to redirect out traffic
[08:54:05] <njd> As to your routing problem, I think you are missing the router that will move the packets between your networks
[08:54:43] <njd> 20x.x.x.97 > router > 216.x.x.x
[08:55:13] <axisys> i have default 20x.4x.0.1
[08:55:58] <axisys> so sending a pkt for 216.x.x.x should first go to 20x.x.x.97 and then to 20x.4x.0.1
[08:56:12] <axisys> as I understood
[08:56:36] <njd> It depends on the configuration
[08:57:40] <njd> Can you specify the interface to listen on in the squid configuration?
[09:01:22] <axisys> i think so
[09:01:32] <njd> http://www.visolve.com/squid/squid24s1/contents.php
[09:01:45] <njd> There is a tcp_outgoing_address option
[09:02:02] <njd> Just make sure that your 97 address is up and running
[09:05:51] <axisys> well but users will not use the proxy unless i force the route to go thru .97
[09:22:19] * boyd chuckes at "Heads up SMC(1M) may fail". How would you be able to detect that?
[09:22:43] <richlowe> boyd: it finishes trying to load faster?
[09:23:40] <boyd> Hehe... but functionality is similar :)
[09:25:08] <bank__> many video on demand still use window media player :(
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[09:25:40] <bank__> hi jmcp
[09:25:48] <asyd> \_o<
[09:26:22] <richlowe> Hey jmcp.
[09:26:33] <jmcp> evening all
[09:26:40] <jmcp> only here for a minute or two
[09:27:03] <jmcp> and now I have to skedaddle
[09:27:05] <jmcp> ciao!
[09:35:29] <bank__> :O
[09:47:45] <boyd> umm hi jmcp  :)
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[09:52:18] <bank__> boyd: I am cat to create iso now.
[09:53:00] <boyd> bank__: Cool... you did read the bit about needing some more space for live upgraqde, right? like another slice or another disk
[10:04:40] <bank__> boyd:Do I really need another slice , disk ...   I am looking at http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5777/6n7raickk?a=view
[10:06:08] <bank__> What I am understanding. It look like we can boot to old version if there are problem.
[10:07:16] <bank__> (Standard Upgrade / Live upgrade)
[10:10:07] <bank__> "you might need to reslice your system or allocate double the space that you need at installation time."
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[10:26:52] <boyd> bank__: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5777/6n7raickh?a=view
[10:27:36] <boyd> You need to make a new boot environment somewhere
[10:28:55] <quasi> I can't really se how it would work without having a seperate slice
[10:29:14] <boyd> It can't. That's my point.
[10:29:41] <boyd> (until zfs root :) )
[10:29:54] <quasi> goody - then it is only bank__ who is confused ;)
[10:31:06] <Peanut> boyd: zfs root, when already? :)
[10:31:34] <boyd> s10u5 according to the list... but that's subject to change
[10:31:59] <Peanut> Nice to hear it's on the roadmap. For both sparc and x86?
[10:32:59] <boyd> I don't see why it would be any different
[10:33:16] <quasi> it is now as far as I know
[10:33:36] <Peanut> boot-code is often platform depentent - x86 would need grub, sparc a new prom image?
[10:33:45] <quasi> isn't it more or less working for x86 and not even close for sparc?
[10:33:49] <Peanut> And isntallboot
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[10:35:53] <boyd> True, true...
[10:36:46] <quasi> I imagine the reason for pushing zfs boot to u5 is to let sparc catch up
[10:37:41] <bank__> last several minutes I mount the iso , and ./installer then it show gui installation that actually install solaris live upgrade. .... so that is different .. ok I will follow your link
[10:44:56] <bank__> the navigation link is across the section =_=
[10:45:29] <boyd> bank__: There is no GUI for live upgrade. You will need to read the documentation and run the commands. Generally you want lucreate, luupgrade, luactivate, but you need to plan and understand what you're doing. Upgrading a remote machine without console access needs to be done very carefully.
[10:47:00] <bank__> it's look not easy.
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[10:47:59] <boyd> It's easy when you know how :)
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[10:48:53] <quasi> bank__: if that's how you feel, then either breaking a mirror before the upgrade or just doing an upgrade and hoping for the best may be your best options
[10:49:40] <boyd> quasi: He has no remote console AFAICT. So a conventional upgrade is not an option. Also if he has a mirror, then LU is even easier
[10:50:07] <quasi> boyd: but only if you have the diskspace to spare - it can get quite unpleasant if you have to wriggle partitions first
[10:50:52] <boyd> True. But that's the case for any upgrade
[10:51:30] <quasi> boyd: argh, no console - that's going to be interesting either way, because if the boot fails, activating the old image won't be simple ;)
[10:52:09] <bank__> excuse me. What is remote console look like?
[10:52:16] <bank__> I know .. ssh and vnc ..
[10:52:21] <bank__> I using ssh and vnc
[10:52:25] <sickness> morning all
[10:52:28] <quasi> they are usually green ;)
[10:52:47] * boyd shakes his head
[10:52:56] <boyd> bank__: What kind of machine is it?
[10:53:03] <bank__> sun fire
[10:53:14] <bank__> sun fire x2100
[10:53:25] <bank__> but I am at home.
[10:53:37] <bank__> server is at another place.
[10:54:05] <bank__> Nowadays , I use ssh and vnc.
[10:54:20] <quasi> serial console would be the usual with one of those
[10:54:28] <boyd> Or the LOM
[10:54:41] <bank__> :O ....
[10:55:00] <quasi> boyd: except it is quite crippled on the original x2100s
[10:55:15] <boyd> quasi: I'm sure you're right. I have no ides
[10:55:17] <boyd> idea
[10:55:27] <bank__> (I am not understand what you are talking about)
[10:55:39] <bank__> (is that to danger to do? )
[10:57:00] <bank__> Is that right ? ... to start by 1. Creating an Inactive Boot Environment 2013 Copying the root (/) File System
[10:57:14] <boyd> sounds right so far
[10:57:19] <quasi> boyd: the M2 model has improved quite a bit - on the original x2100 you could buy an expansion lom-ish card, but that would cost you one of the two ethernet ports
[10:57:37] <boyd> hmm... lame
[10:58:12] <quasi> yeah
[10:58:40] <boyd> bank__: Most solaris machines have a remote console facility. It allows you to boot, halt, install, often power off and on the machine without visiting it. We are wondering about your options in that area.
[11:00:08] <bank__> http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x2100/specs.xml
[11:01:20] <bank__> it seem that I don't have ..
[11:01:22] <bank__> :(
[11:01:30] <quasi> bank__: see the Management section
[11:08:23] <bank__> ERROR: the file system on device </dev/dsk/c1d0s0> is currently mounted at </> , ERROR: device </dev/dsk/c1d0s0> is not available for use with mount point </>
[11:09:35] <bank__> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8249
[11:10:42] <quasi> no, no - you need to find an unused slice for it
[11:11:22] <bank__> oh .. I don't have any ...
[11:11:26] <bank__> except .. /export
[11:11:41] <bank__> ok I will use export.
[11:12:46] <bank__> what should I do .. if it already a zfs pool.
[11:12:51] <quasi> prtvtoc /dev/dsk/c1d0s0
[11:13:34] <bank__> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8250
[11:13:40] <quasi> I suppose you'd have to destroy the zfs pool and its data
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[11:14:04] <bank__> OK.
[11:14:41] <quasi> what kind of upgrade are you trying to do?
[11:15:38] <bank__> What if cannot unmount '/export/zones': Device busy
[11:15:48] <bank__> I don't know ....
[11:15:58] <bank__> I just want b49 that have brandZ
[11:16:19] <quasi> live upgrade doesn't work with zones...
[11:16:30] <bank__> yes .. I will destroy it all
[11:16:43] <bank__> it is blank now.. because I just try zfs with zones.
[11:16:50] <bank__> now the zones are blank.
[11:17:01] <bank__> and all system is not things important
[11:17:26] <bank__> I woule like to have a fresh system again. with brandZ ...  and I will redone everything.
[11:18:36] <bank__> uh m... is that possible?
[11:18:57] <bank__> do I have to halt the zone before ..? it said  cannot unmount '/export/zones': Device busy
[11:20:38] <quasi> yeah, as a bare minimum
[11:24:23] <bank__> ok there are no zpool list , zfs list now.
[11:27:54] <bank__> lucreate -c solenv1 -m /:/dev/dsk/c1d0s7:ufs -n solenv2
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[11:28:02] <bank__> :D seem to work!
[11:28:19] <bank__> scary
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[11:37:01] <ofu> SMF is evil! I have an NFS-Server in a different network and rc2.d/S72routing doesnt work. So I had to write my first smf-bootscript. The error messages are a little bit confusing, network-nfs-client:default log just says: "Stopping because service disabled."
[11:37:13] <bank__> Populating contents of mount point </>.
[11:37:18] <bank__> Copying.
[11:37:31] <ofu> it would be nice if smf was more verbose and specific
[11:37:46] <bank__> it's look like freeze.
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[11:43:02] <bank__> Still copying :O
[11:46:14] <bank__> quasi: if i use this slide then next time I don't have any slice left to do zfs ...
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[11:48:25] <boyd> ofu. That means "You disabled the service, so it stopped". I'm not sure how much more specific you want it to be
[11:48:50] <boyd> bank__: Once you finish your current root slice becomes free.
[11:49:17] <boyd> ofu: What are you trying to do with routing?
[11:49:36] <Fish> hello
[11:50:16] <boyd> Bonsoir, monsieur poisson
[11:52:22] <ofu> boyd: my vfstab lists an nfs-server that requires a static route
[11:52:58] <bank__> boyd: can I create a slice ..
[11:53:14] <ofu> and rc-scripts are executed after smf (including mounting stuff from vfstab)
[11:53:39] <boyd> ofu: Have you considered the /etc/gateways file?
[11:54:02] <boyd> bank__: I don't understand that question
[11:54:03] <ofu> hmmm, no
[11:54:45] <boyd> ofu: That's not true (about the ordering. They're run by the milestones, so they run when the milestone does. You may be able to find an earlier milestone
[11:55:02] <boyd> (e.g. /etc/rc3.d is run by multi-user-server
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[11:55:10] <boyd> ))
[11:55:17] <bank__> solaris on c1d0s1   and now I lucreate to c1d0s7 ...  c1d0s7 is big ~ 50 GB
[11:55:58] <bank__> I guess next time after boot. I will destroy c1d0s1 ~ 10 GB .. to create zfs  ...
[11:56:13] <bank__> but ... how about another  50 GB on c1d0s7 ...
[11:56:20] * ofu tries to fill /etc/gateways
[11:56:29] <boyd> bank__: Ok, so I suggest you probably want 2 slices for root in the future, and the rest for swap and zfs
[11:56:48] <twincest> how do i pass an option to the linker with Studio cc?
[11:57:08] <boyd> bank__: If it's still copying you could stop it, create a s3 and then re-start
[11:57:18] <twincest> CC has -z, but i can't see any equivalent option for cc
[11:58:01] <bank__> yes ... still copying :(
[11:58:28] <bank__> can not stop.
[11:58:47] <boyd> hmm..
[11:59:04] <bank__> I close ssh window.
[11:59:20] <boyd> bank__: You may be surprised to find that doesn't stop it.
[12:01:33] <bank__> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8251
[12:02:39] <bank__> so create 2 slice from c1d0s7 for live upgrade in future?
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[12:03:43] <boyd> I'd say so... (the output of format's partition print command is normally better for that)
[12:05:01] <bank__> boyd .. :'(
[12:05:28] <boyd> bank__: ps -ef | grep lu
[12:05:35] <boyd> I'd bet that lu is still going
[12:07:04] <bank__> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8252
[12:07:13] <boyd> Yep
[12:07:29] <bank__> I quite lost now.
[12:07:41] <bank__> first I worried about slices..
[12:07:54] <bank__> two live upgrade.
[12:07:59] <boyd> bank__: Remember when I said you should read the docs first.
[12:10:59] <bank__> boyd:please said straightforwadly. what I am wrong.
[12:11:30] <boyd> bank__: You haven't done anything wrong. But you won't have much space left this way.
[12:11:56] <boyd> Umm... I think the best thing to do at this stage would be to kill it and start again.
[12:12:15] <boyd> kill 28946
[12:12:30] <boyd> then "ps -ef | grep lu" again
[12:13:13] <bank__> it still in the list
[12:13:31] <boyd> Thought it might be..
[12:14:15] <boyd> Try kill -9 28946
[12:15:42] <bank__> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8253  .. it look the same.
[12:16:10] <boyd> no it doesn't. 28946 is gone
[12:16:51] <boyd> let's get aggressive: kill -9 29932 29448 28969 29958
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[12:18:01] <bank__> everything gone except fsflush and nautilus --no-default-window --sm-client-id default2
[12:18:26] <boyd> good. Now lustatus should show the two boot environments.
[12:20:02] <bank__> yes ...
[12:20:03] <boyd> so we'll delete the new one, then repartition
[12:20:18] <boyd> what's the new one called
[12:20:19] <boyd> ?
[12:20:29] <bank__> solenv1 solenv2
[12:20:57] <boyd> Ok... I'm guessing solenv2 says "Active now: no"
[12:21:04] <bank__> yes ( no)
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[12:21:41] <boyd> umm... you mean "correct, it does say 'no'"?
[12:22:02] <bank__> yes yes
[12:22:05] <bank__> correct it say no
[12:22:22] <boyd> Ok, let's delete it. "ludelete solenv2" :(
[12:22:27] <bank__> http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8254
[12:22:47] <bank__> success
[12:22:56] <bank__> only solenv1 now
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[12:23:03] <boyd> Good. Now let's partition the disk better.
[12:23:11] <sickness> eheh I have 3 of them by now =)
[12:23:17] <sickness> snv47, 48, 49 :P
[12:23:30] <boyd> bank__: format c1d0
[12:23:48] <bank__> format>
[12:24:01] <boyd> Then p<enter>p<enter>
[12:25:12] <bank__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/27580
[12:26:22] <boyd> Ok, so let's make a new slice, 3 that's the same size as your root
[12:26:37] <boyd> 3<enter>
[12:27:10] <boyd> [unassigned]<enter>
[12:27:19] <boyd> [wu]<enter>
[12:27:34] <boyd> starting cyl: 8259
[12:27:47] <bank__> ( wm ) ?
[12:28:09] <boyd> yeah, <enter>... doesn't matter
[12:28:21] <bank__> Enter partition size
[12:28:28] <bank__> 14.65GB?
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[12:28:38] <boyd> no, 7619c
[12:28:51] <bank__> partition>
[12:29:00] <boyd> ok, now p<enter
[12:29:01] <boyd> >
[12:30:10] <bank__> 3 unassigned    wm    8259 - 15877       14.65GB    (7619/0/0)   30719808
[12:30:32] <boyd> Good. now, let
[12:30:43] <boyd> let's re-make 7 so it doesn't overlap
[12:30:52] <boyd> 7<enter><enter><enter>
[12:31:00] <bank__> 7 home?
[12:31:12] <boyd> doesn't matter <enter>
[12:31:19] <bank__> starting cyn
[12:31:25] <bank__> cyl
[12:31:34] <boyd> 15878
[12:31:47] <boyd> size: $
[12:32:26] <bank__> partition>
[12:32:37] <boyd> let's check it. Do a p and then paste
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[12:33:20] <bank__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/27581
[12:34:00] <boyd> Looks good. Let's save it.
[12:34:05] <boyd> label<enter>
[12:34:38] <bank__> partition>
[12:34:45] <bank__> ok label
[12:35:37] <boyd> Cool.. then ctrl-d
[12:35:42] <bank__> what label do you prefer ?...
[12:35:54] <boyd> huh?
[12:36:04] <bank__> Ready to label disk, continue?
[12:36:28] <boyd> y<enter>
[12:36:38] <bank__> #
[12:37:26] <boyd> ok, now let's re-create the boot environment. I'd suggest a better name, thought. Where's the iso for b49 at the moment?
[12:37:32] <boyd> s/thought/though
[12:37:45] <bank__> it is at /mnt
[12:38:01] <bank__> .  /mnt               (/dev/lofi/1       ):       0 blocks        0 files
[12:38:07] <boyd> No, I mean the ISO file itself
[12:38:37] <bank__> ummmmmm  /export/b49/f.sio
[12:38:40] <bank__>  .iso
[12:39:06] <boyd> Ok, let's exclude /export/b49 from the new BE. It will save time.
[12:39:31] <bank__> boyd: sorry I don't know how to...
[12:39:46] <boyd> I'm in the middle of typing the command :)
[12:39:48] <bank__> I google and see he use  lofiadm and mount . and I follow
[12:40:33] <boyd> lucreate -n nv_b49 -m /:/dev/dsk/c1d0s3:ufs -x /export/b49
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[12:40:57] <boyd> ... and wait.
[12:41:01] <boyd> ... a lot.
[12:41:43] <bank__> (Copying ).
[12:41:55] <bank__> Do you know how long it will take?
[12:42:00] <bank__> 1 hr or more?
[12:42:21] <boyd> bank__: Depends on the machine. I'd think not. The upgrade itself takes longer.
[12:42:57] <boyd> You can gauge from another window with df -h. When slice 3 is the same size as the root fs - size of iso it's done
[12:43:52] <bank__> boyd: Thank you for all your patience on me. I am very appreciate on that.
[12:44:10] <boyd> No problem... sorry I couldn't spend more time earlier. busy time.
[12:44:31] <boyd> gimme 1 minute and I'll give you the next command
[12:45:49] <boyd> luupgrade -u -n nv_b49 -s /mnt
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[12:45:59] <boyd> That should be it. Then wait longer
[12:46:06] <bank__> . /dev/dsk/c1d0s0         14G    14G   734M    95%    /
[12:46:09] <bank__> . /dev/dsk/c1d0s3         14G   749M    14G     6%    /.alt.tmp.b-4S.mnt
[12:46:26] <bank__> boyd: luupgrade after (Copying. complete right?)
[12:46:31] <boyd> yes.
[12:46:41] <bank__> 789 > 14 G :O!
[12:47:08] <boyd> bank__: Hang on... what's taking up so much space in your root fs?
[12:47:32] <boyd> Do you still have the zips or unpacked zips around?
[12:47:48] <bank__> . /export/b49 ?
[12:48:15] <boyd> maybe.. I'm just wondering where all the 14G went. All of solaris should be closer to 6GB
[12:48:34] <bank__> If I delete it now will it be better.
[12:48:45] <boyd> Not the ISO. but the zips, sure
[12:49:06] <boyd> They won't be copied if they're in /export/b49 anyway
[12:50:03] <bank__> 1.3 -> 8.2 GB
[12:50:16] <boyd> better :)
[12:50:33] <boyd> You still need the ISO, of course.
[12:50:55] <bank__> (Would you mind to have a little question here , We can create single pool from multiple slices)?
[12:51:06] <boyd> in zfs? yes.
[12:51:35] <bank__> I don't understand much about slices or partiton... so I will forget that for a while may be use single pool instead ..
[12:52:07] <boyd> On a single disk, that's the best thing to do anyway.
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[13:13:52] <bank__> Creating compare databases for boot environment <nv_b49>. , Creating compare database for file system </>.
[13:14:10] <bank__> 5.5 G -> 8.0 G ( but it seem that isn't increase anymore
[13:15:13] <bank__> boyd:Creation of boot environment <nv_b49> successful.
[13:15:45] <boyd> Yay!
[13:15:59] <bank__> luupgrade -u -n nv_b49 -s /mnt  ?
[13:16:14] <boyd> Assuming you still have /mnt mounted
[13:16:20] <bank__> yes
[13:16:21] <bank__> :D
[13:16:38] <bank__> ERROR: Unable to upgrade boot environment <nv_b49>. :(
[13:16:55] <boyd> Is there a reason...
[13:16:56] <boyd> ?
[13:16:57] <boyd> Oh
[13:17:04] <bank__> that has any non-global zones installed.
[13:17:04] <boyd> Did you upgrade the LU packages?
[13:17:10] <bank__> but I remove that
[13:17:12] <bank__> (halt)
[13:17:30] <boyd> zoneadm list -c
[13:17:36] <boyd> Anything but global?
[13:17:37] <bank__> oh .. but it still installed saateed
[13:17:42] <bank__> I will remve it
[13:17:53] <boyd> damn
[13:18:13] <bank__> I need to redone again?
[13:19:02] <boyd> Umm... it's possible without... but you'd need more reboots... which we don't want to do remotely when we can avoid it.
[13:19:07] <boyd> bummer.
[13:19:26] <boyd> I think ludelete nv_b49 then the lucreate again may be the safest
[13:19:45] <bank__> everything gone. only global now.
[13:19:48] <bank__> ok.
[13:19:51] <boyd> :(
[13:20:47] <bank__> sorry -_-''
[13:21:01] <bank__> 15M -> 8 GB
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[13:54:03] <bank__> boyd: The Solaris upgrade of the boot environment <nv_b49> failed. again :(
[13:54:14] <boyd> Was there a reaon?
[13:54:15] <boyd> reason
[13:54:43] <bank__> . /usr/sbin/luupgrade[677]: 7912 Segmentation Fault(coredump)
[13:54:52] <bank__> . ERROR: Installation of the packages from this media of the media failed;
[13:55:10] <boyd> ugh.
[13:55:15] <boyd> I've never seen that
[13:55:32] <bank__> ABE boot partition backing deleted.
[13:55:40] <bank__> Configuring failsafe for system.
[13:55:46] <bank__> Failsafe configuration is complete.
[13:57:29] <bank__> :'(
[13:59:09] <bank__> http://www.justinconover.com/blog/
[14:00:19] <bank__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/27584
[14:02:54] <boyd> Hmm
[14:04:14] <boyd> Damn... sounds like a bug to me... I can't see anything off hand
[14:05:54] <bank__> Do we miss any step..
[14:06:17] <bank__> or use wrong command
[14:07:40] <bank__> lucreate -n nv_b49 -m /:/dev/dsk/c1d0s3:ufs -x /export/b49
[14:07:45] <bank__> luupgrade -u -n nv_b49 -s /mnt
[14:20:40] <boyd> It's all fine as far as I can tell.. Sorry... I am out of clues
[14:22:15] <bank__> what if I reboot machine now
[14:22:33] <bank__> will the machine back online again?
[14:22:45] <boyd> Should be ok... check with lustatus first
[14:23:08] <boyd> also, you might like to see if you can find a core file from luupgrade somewhere: / /tmp /var/tmp
[14:30:50] <bank__> boyd:!!!!!!
[14:30:59] <boyd> Yep
[14:31:04] <bank__> boyd: after reboot and mount again1!   there are percentage going!!
[14:31:14] <bank__> 1 % completerd..
[14:31:21] <boyd> !?!
[14:31:40] <boyd> You ran the luupgrade again?
[14:31:43] <bank__> yes
[14:31:48] <boyd> wierd
[14:31:51] <bank__> lofiadm -a /export/b49/f.iso /dev/lofi/1
[14:31:56] <bank__> mount -r -F hsfs /dev/lofi/1/mnt
[14:32:02] <bank__> luupgrade -u -n nv_b49 -s /mnt
[14:32:09] <bank__> Upgrading Solaris: 3% completed
[14:32:20] <bank__> :D :D :D!!!
[14:32:27] <boyd> Great.
[14:34:52] <boyd> So assuming it finishes Ok, at the end you'll do luactivate nv_b49, then init 6, and it should come back in the new version
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[14:35:50] <bank__> I wish I would be there.
[14:35:54] <bank__> :P
[14:35:59] <boyd> I would too :)
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[15:16:39] <bank__> boyd
[15:16:51] <bank__> oh no.
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[15:19:28] <bank__> after luactivate I back to b48 again
[15:19:53] <quasi> did you boot?
[15:20:21] <bank__> Oh I forget init 6
[15:20:23] <bank__> I am rebooting.
[15:22:50] <bank__> still Sun Microsystems Inc.   SunOS 5.11      snv_48  October 2007 .
[15:23:17] <jengelh> why does it print October 2007? That's like a year of
[15:23:18] <jengelh> off
[15:23:47] <bank__> Oh I didnt' notice that before.
[15:24:10] <bank__> .  /.alt.tmp.b-MG.mnt/platform/i86pc/boot_archive-new: failed to get acl entries: No such file or directory
[15:24:41] <quasi> jengelh: when it expires
[15:25:21] <jengelh> OSes can expire?
[15:26:26] <quasi> goes bad after that date - probably green and smelly ;)
[15:26:44] <jengelh> Win98 still runs...
[15:26:55] <jengelh> And you tell me Opensol won't?
[15:27:00] <jengelh> Sounds like I should stay away from it
[15:27:03] <bank__> Name   Complete ActiveNow ActiveOnReboot Can Delete Copy Status
[15:27:11] <bank__> nv_b49  yes      no         yes               no            -
[15:27:28] <quasi> jengelh: I was  guessing
[15:27:33] <jengelh> heh
[15:27:44] <quasi> jengelh: I don't recall the why
[15:27:46] <bank__> quasi: Do I miss any step?
[15:28:06] <jengelh> probably that's the release date of the 'real' solaris 11
[15:28:41] <quasi> bank__: seems like it might be related to the failing boot archive
[15:29:08] <quasi> jengelh: except the date is moving with each snv release
[15:29:30] <jengelh> O RLY?
[15:29:33] <dwc-> maybe the system clock is off by a year
[15:29:38] <jengelh> the nv39 i have also says Oct 2007
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[15:30:07] <jengelh> no, it also showed Oct 2007 a month ago
[15:30:54] <quasi> maybe it is a smart scheme to tell you about the future ;)
[15:30:57] <bank__> quasi:Could we trace that from any log?
[15:31:20] <jengelh> the last time someone said 'smart' was about 'smart window placement' of the windowmanager, and it was rather halfassed
[15:31:25] <jengelh> not this channel though
[15:31:30] <bank__> it is b49 now
[15:31:34] <bank__> hooley !!!!
[15:31:42] <quasi> bank__: I don't know - I'd suggest another init 6
[15:33:56] <bank__> after upgrade ..
[15:34:22] <bank__> ludelete oldone ?
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[15:59:57] <stefanp> hey
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[16:01:16] <quasi> hey stefanp
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[16:03:17] <Ryuy> Hi
[16:03:46] <Ryuy> Where I can get OpenSolaris's isos?
[16:04:14] <ProfMikey_> Ryuy: did you see www.opensolaris.org? thats where you should start
[16:04:17] <quasi> Ryuy: see /topic
[16:04:35] <quasi> ups, that's been trimmed ;)
[16:04:42] <ProfMikey_> :)
[16:05:18] <Ryuy> thanks
[16:05:31] <quasi> http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/
[16:05:32] <ProfMikey_> so what you need to do is to go opensolaris.org then click on that nice CD icon descibed download, you will need to register
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[16:07:18] <Ryuy> thanks, again
[16:07:39] <ProfMikey_> no issues :)
[16:08:19] <Ryuy> ups, 6 CD'S xD
[16:08:40] <ProfMikey_> or 1 dvd
[16:08:57] <ProfMikey_> not sure if you need them all
[16:09:45] <ProfMikey_> it deepends on on what you want to install if you need X system and such..quiet not sure...really
[16:10:40] <Ryuy> well, I am only interested in learning about Solaris in general, so in my house I assume that I need to download x86 :), well 1 DVD and free is very sexy :)
[16:10:43] <Ryuy> thanks ProfMikey_
[16:11:16] <ProfMikey_> anytime
[16:12:04] <ProfMikey_> yeah x86 will be ok if you've got a PC
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[16:17:30] <bank__> I can't see this in df -h (  2     backup    wm       0 - 38734       74.47GB    (38735/0/0) 156179520)
[16:23:56] <ProfMikey_> anyone found out what is this button next to the alt the point or whatever it is for?
[16:24:58] <jengelh> the "Windows" button?
[16:25:13] <jengelh> on a sun keyboard?
[16:25:24] <jengelh> i think that's Meta4
[16:25:46] <jengelh> Mod4
[16:25:51] <ProfMikey_> yeah..lets say the "windows" one
[16:25:55] <ProfMikey_> aham...
[16:26:02] <jengelh> no no, the windows one is not with the dot, they are distinct
[16:26:25] <jengelh> use the 'xev' program to find out
[16:27:13] <jengelh>     state 0x4, keycode 109 (keysym 0xffe4, Control_R), same_screen YES,
[16:27:18] <jengelh> check that line
[16:27:45] <ProfMikey_> will have a look at that later on, thanks
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[16:30:24] <twincest> is it normal for lint -Nlevel=4 to run for 10 minutes+ (~40k source lines)
[16:30:27] <twincest> ?
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[16:37:41] <bank__> mount -D hsfs -o ro /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 /export
[16:40:34] <bank__> # mount /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 /export mount: /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 is not this fstype
[16:40:44] <bank__> # mount /dev/rdsk/c1d0s7 /export mount: /dev/rdsk/c1d0s7 not a block device
[16:40:51] <Auralis> fstype is indicated with -F
[16:41:41] <bank__> mount: FSType /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 exceeds 8 characters
[16:42:15] <twincest> mount -F hsfs ...
[16:43:38] <bank__> hsfs mount: /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 is not an hsfs file system
[16:43:56] <Auralis> if thats a cd/dvd, you want s2 instead of s7
[16:44:12] <bank__> I just find the disappear space
[16:44:15] <bank__>        7      8    00   64020096  92159424 156179519
[16:44:37] <bank__> (Partition  Tag  Flags    Sector     Count    Sector  Mount Directory)
[16:44:49] <bank__> the partition 3 is mount at /
[16:45:15] <bank__> I try to mount the partition no. 7
[16:45:16] <Auralis> type mount and see whre it is
[16:46:12] <Auralis> is there data on s7?
[16:46:19] <Auralis> if not, did you newfs it?
[16:47:11] <bank__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/27592
[16:48:21] <bank__> last time I ludelete something ..
[16:49:07] <Auralis> mount -F ufs -o ro /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 /mnt
[16:49:33] <bank__> mount: /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 is not this fstype
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[16:50:17] <Auralis> looks like s7 has not filesystem on it
[16:52:12] <bank__> I will do zpool
[16:52:29] <Auralis> there was a zfs on s7?
[16:52:43] <bank__> global-pool             43G     1K    43G     1%    /global-pool
[16:52:59] <bank__> Auralis: I think there are some another slice left ...
[16:53:16] <bank__> I have  80 GB .. but I don't know where space gone.
[16:53:37] <bank__> I gonna add all that to global-pool
[16:53:50] <Auralis> was on s7 a zfs filesystem?
[16:54:44] <bank__> I guess so
[16:54:55] <bank__> yes I ever a /export/zones
[16:55:12] <Auralis> zpool is your friend then, import that pool
[16:55:18] <bank__> zpool create global-pool c1d0s7
[16:55:23] <bank__> global-pool             43G     1K    43G     1%    /global-pool
[16:55:57] <bank__> but .. Do you know.. where is another space that didn't mount yet?
[16:57:09] <bank__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/27593
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[17:15:22] <bank__> can i know what is inside /dev/dsk/c1d0s0 ?
[17:15:41] <bank__> I see c1d0s0 , c1d0s2 is mountable ..
[17:15:52] <bank__> but I am not sure If I do that will it harmful to system.
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[17:21:48] <PerterB> you almost certainly don't want to try and mount s2, that covers the entire solaris portion of the disk and overlaps all the other slices
[17:22:55] <bank__> Oh my god
[17:23:03] <bank__> I just create it as pool..>!!
[17:23:04] <bank__> tankTmpTmp               74G   66.5K   74.0G     0%  ONLINE     -
[17:23:16] <bank__> can I remove this? without harmful?
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[17:24:14] <bank__> zpool destroy ....
[17:25:02] <bank__> I am done. thank you.
[17:27:47] <bank__> I promise to read.
[17:27:50] <bank__> bye
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[17:41:10] <bank> If I would like to add another slice to the same pool. is that to use zpool add tank mirror c2t0d0 c3t0d0 ?
[17:41:52] <bank> Now It is each slice / pool. but I would like to merge the pool into one pool
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[17:52:48] <bank> zpool add tank c1d0s0
[17:56:15] <jamesd> bank, you really can't merge pools, but you could backup one pool on to another and and then take the devices of the first pool and add them to the other pool
[18:16:19] <bank> brand native :)
[18:18:02] <bank> finally feel warm with system again.
[18:35:26] <bank> when I read about lx brandz zone. they always talk about centOS linux.
[18:36:19] <bank> Can't we install other linux distribution tar ball?
[18:36:38] <Teknix> you can, you're just on your own doing so
[18:36:45] <edytt> isn't limewire open source and can compile in linux?
[18:38:28] <bank> Can we vnc to non-global zone?
[18:38:46] <bank> Assume we can install fedora on lx zones.
[18:39:09] <bank> Will we see somethings like fedora desktop wallapper.
[18:39:35] <twincest> a linux zone is exactly the same as a computer running linux
[18:39:38] <twincest> (mostly)
[18:40:14] <richlowe> kinda.
[18:41:04] <bank> can we get the benefit of different distribution.
[18:41:11] <bank> for ex. rock cluster . for clustering. , grid
[18:42:00] <bank> http://www.rocksclusters.org/wordpress/
[18:44:19] <bank> :P forget about that.
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[18:50:52] <edytt> i haven't used a p2p client in years
[18:50:57] <edytt> usenet and ftp!
[18:59:09] <bank> The Solaris Service manager tried to start the service, but could not.
[19:00:15] <bank> [ Oct  9 00:03:07 Method "start" exited with status 95 ]
[19:00:39] <bank> Reason: Start method exited with $SMF_EXIT_ERR_FATAL
[19:01:33] <bank> # svcs -xv service_fmri   .. svcs: Pattern 'service_fmri' doesn't match any instances
[19:02:25] <jamesd> svcs -xv
[19:03:44] <bank> http://paste.getlinuxhelp.org/5679
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[19:06:07] <quasi> what's in /var/svc/log/system-webconsole:console.log
[19:06:19] <quasi> the printer ting is pretty common
[19:07:23] <bank> [ Oct  9 00:03:07 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/svc-webconsole start") ]
[19:07:30] <bank> Sun Java(TM) Web Console status can not be determined.
[19:07:36] <bank> Run "smcwebserver stop" to make sure the server has stopped.
[19:07:43] <bank> [ Oct  9 00:03:07 Method "start" exited with status 95 ]
[19:08:31] <quasi> do you even want the smcwebserver to run?
[19:09:29] <bank> https://xxxxxx:6789
[19:09:36] <bank> zfs administrator
[19:10:06] <bank> is this the same?
[19:10:37] <bank> I lost my vnc and https://xxxx:6789 after upgrade
[19:11:03] <quasi> yeah, it is
[19:12:06] <apierre> trying to understand slices under opensolaris.  Is it common for any tools develop by sun to go on /opt slice?
[19:13:00] <quasi> apierre: pretty common for sun pkgs that aren't part of solaris
[19:14:21] <bank> uninstall webconsole and reinstall again will help?
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[19:14:48] <apierre> kk so what happens with /usr filesystem.  I'm coming from a bsd, where 3rd party package normaly goes under /usr/local/bin
[19:15:34] <apierre> would 3rd party packages also go under /opt?
[19:15:54] <quasi> some do, some don't ;)
[19:16:13] <apierre> lol
[19:16:34] <Error_404> Hmm.... i appear to have cratered my server somehow
[19:16:38] <apierre> ok, when would the some don't be applied?
[19:17:02] <bank> other than legacy_run and online there are
[19:17:10] <bank> offline        20:41:49 svc:/application/print/rfc1179:default
[19:17:18] <bank> maintenance     0:16:30 svc:/system/webconsole:console
[19:17:29] <quasi> bank: svcadm clear svc:/system/webconsole:console
[19:17:57] <bank> yep
[19:18:12] <quasi> apierre: when the 3rd party vendor is in that mood - like ibm's tsm for one
[19:18:41] <apierre> i'm thinking on a setup like the following: / (750mb), swap (750mb), /tmp(750mb), /usr (4g), /var (2g), /opt (4g), /home (rest) is this an ok setup?
[19:20:08] <ProfMikey> hmm
[19:20:11] <quasi> apierre: I usually have a larger / and no, you don't want to make a /tmp
[19:20:34] <quasi> apierre: in the install doc, there's a guide to slicing
[19:20:49] <ProfMikey> :)
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[19:21:25] <bank> can trace anything from " Method "start" exited with status 95 "
[19:22:20] <bank> is that a known issue ? http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/zfs-discuss/2006-August/004136.html
[19:22:28] <quasi> apierre: on solaris, /tmp is mounted on memory/swap
[19:23:04] <quasi> bank: worth a try
[19:23:18] <bank> :O
[19:23:25] <quasi> apierre: swap                    40G   8.2M    40G     1%    /tmp
[19:23:35] <quasi> (from a df -h)
[19:23:48] <apierre> ok, i thought it would be the same as openbsd
[19:24:29] <quasi> apierre: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5775/6n7r8lbes?a=view is the doc you want for slicing recommendations
[19:25:29] <apierre> quasi: thank you, i'll start reading :-)
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[19:26:19] <Error_404> lame. computer won't get past POST
[19:26:33] <dclarke> g'day folks
[19:26:54] <dclarke> am I moderated here ?
[19:27:04] <bank> quasi : seem to work and failed.
[19:27:05] <Error_404> no man
[19:27:08] <apierre> g'day to you
[19:27:10] <Error_404> dclarke: you're good
[19:27:12] <bank> quasi: and failed then work
[19:27:26] <dclarke> dammit .. I really got to get your stuff in a box and shipped out to you
[19:27:29] <bank> Hi Error_404 I  just upgrade to b49
[19:27:38] <dclarke> Ill throuw in the Genesi PowerPC ODW too
[19:27:44] <quasi> dclarke: at most ignored ;)
[19:27:45] <Error_404> hi bank, my computer won't boot
[19:28:09] <dclarke> quasi : thanks :-)
[19:28:25] <bank> :O
[19:28:34] <dclarke> no .. its just that two or three of my posts to the OpenSolaris Discuss list have gone to /dev/null
[19:29:10] <quasi> dclarke: that seems kind of odd - if you're subscribed to the list at least
[19:29:21] <dclarke> since it was created
[19:29:40] <quasi> seems like something else might be happening
[19:29:55] <dclarke> I posted to this thread : http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=15193&tstart=0
[19:29:58] <apierre> while reading the doc, it mentions home directory are normally located under /export, would I have to do anything special on my end if i wanted it to be just /home rather than /export/home?
[19:30:01] <dclarke> three times .. maybe four
[19:30:01] <bank> what happen Error_404
[19:30:05] <dclarke> it never gets there
[19:30:14] <Error_404> bank: *shrug* looks like the motherboard's cooked or something
[19:30:26] <Error_404> i can't even get in to the BIOS menu, so who knows
[19:30:27] <quasi> dclarke: via the web thingy?
[19:30:39] <dclarke> yeah
[19:31:03] <dclarke> I think we need to rip out what-ever-the-hell that those Sun guys are using and just run bloody MailMan
[19:31:03] <quasi> dclarke: they may have turned that off after the spamming?
[19:31:17] <dclarke> what spamming ?
[19:31:29] <dclarke> oh yeah .. there was a short burst of spam
[19:31:32] <quasi> all lists got spammed
[19:31:34] <Error_404> i should just buy an x2100 and be done with it
[19:31:46] <quasi> Error_404: M2
[19:32:05] <bank> :( yes m2
[19:32:13] <bank> my x2100 is :(
[19:32:30] <dclarke> the new X2100 is a great machine
[19:32:36] <dclarke> good price also I think
[19:32:47] <dclarke> I have an older bargain basement X2100 here
[19:32:59] <bank> yes me too. :(
[19:33:07] <dclarke> its not a bad machine
[19:33:10] <bank> :P
[19:33:12] <dclarke> just a tad .. limited
[19:33:33] <bank> in the afternoon, they talk about remote console.
[19:33:36] <bank> I think i don't have.
[19:33:45] <dclarke> I don't have it either
[19:33:52] <quasi>   ~.
[19:34:03] <dclarke> Error_404 :  hey man
[19:34:26] <dclarke> Error_404 :  I will pull out a cardboard box and some packing materials and ship you this PowerPC ODW
[19:34:41] <dclarke> Error_404 :  actually .. I have the original box .. somewhere
[19:35:04] <bank> quasi: I can open https://<ip>:6789 from home.   and now services is running. but I don't know why I can't open the web console.
[19:35:26] <bank> https://xx.yy.zz.dd:6789/
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[19:35:40] <quasi> bank: neither do I - I'm religiously opposed to web consoles ;)
[19:36:03] <bank> (I ever open http://localhost:6789 it can open) so I have to vnc :(
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[19:40:15] <_william_> hi all
[19:40:25] <dclarke> hello there
[19:40:34] <_william_> hello Dennis, how are you ?
[19:40:49] <_william_> have you booted your pegasos under Solaris ? :)
[19:40:57] <dclarke> well ... do you really want to know or just a "fine thank you and you?" response :-)
[19:41:16] <bank> :P
[19:41:20] <_william_> :)
[19:41:32] <_william_> don't hesite to private if you want ;)
[19:41:32] <dclarke> well I'm just great really
[19:41:47] <dclarke> and as for the ODW .. I am going to ship that bad boy to Error_404
[19:41:56] <dclarke> along with a T-shirt
[19:42:08] <dclarke> I promised it over a month ago I think
[19:42:11] <_william_> why ? any problem with the ODW ?
[19:42:16] <_william_> ah ok
[19:42:42] <dclarke> just for fun
[19:42:47] <dclarke> I have new stuff inbound
[19:42:54] <dclarke> 64-bit PowerPC gear
[19:43:35] <bank> brb
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[19:44:46] <dclarke> its ThanksGiving in Canada and I need to rally get stuffed
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[19:51:01] <Error_404> dclarke: you got a PPC970?
[19:51:03] <Error_404> where from?
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[19:51:26] <dclarke> can't say
[19:51:28] <dclarke> yet
[19:51:42] <Error_404> *shrug* okiedokie
[19:51:53] <dclarke> its one of these deals where a company ships me some hardware nd they want their logo on the homepage
[19:51:57] <dclarke> that sort of thing
[19:52:04] <Error_404> *nod*
[19:52:05] <dclarke> but .. they want a lot
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[19:52:29] <dclarke> and I am not about to whore a community site for some small little company
[19:52:45] <dclarke> and one dual proc box
[19:53:44] <Error_404> intellistation?
[19:53:45] <quasi> dual proc 890 and I'd consider a logo on my blog ;(
[19:53:52] <quasi> ;) even
[19:54:15] <dclarke> I'll see if I can set you up
[19:54:34] <dclarke> but these guys want a site with a million hits a month and banner flash based ads and
[19:54:38] <dclarke> blah blah blah
[19:55:12] <mrdeviant> so what is the status of solaris/powerpc? does it boot yet?
[19:55:22] <quasi> nope, flash banner ads costs a pair of fully specced e25ks with a matching hitachi tagmastor ;)
[19:55:27] <Error_404> mrdeviant: for small definitions of the word "boot"
[19:55:52] <dclarke> Cyril has it booting
[19:56:05] <Error_404> as far as i understand, it boots, but doesn't fork a VM
[19:56:06] <dclarke> up to the point where it begins to gets its memory map laid out
[19:56:09] <dclarke> then it panics
[19:56:15] <dclarke> exactly
[19:56:22] <dclarke> that sums it up
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[19:57:08] <dclarke> hrmmm ASCII art grows up : http://asciiconvert.com/gallery/?idx=3191&fontsize=8&bold=bold&thumb=3176
[19:57:09] <mrdeviant> what do you mean by fork a vm? do you mean the pageout process?
[19:57:28] <dclarke> there is no virtual memory management component yet
[19:57:58] <mrdeviant> what does that have to do with forking?
[19:58:06] <dclarke> nothing
[19:58:09] <dclarke> he did not mean fork
[19:58:39] <dclarke> I think what he implied was that the virtual memory space had not yet been mapped and the a multi-level memory page scheme had not been created yet
[19:58:44] <quasi> dclarke: I remember seeing ascii pr0n back in the early '90s - this just add a bit of color that didn't work on the matrix printer
[19:59:36] <dclarke> it does a great job in black and white : http://asciiconvert.com/gallery/?idx=3016&fontsize=8&bold=bold&thumb=3006
[19:59:50] <dclarke> its a mixture of CSS and ASCII density mapping
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[20:00:40] <Error_404> i turned a solaris10 logo in to ascii art (the one w/ the sun rays and the little swoosh underneath it) for my /etc/motd
[20:00:55] <dclarke> hey man !
[20:00:58] <dclarke> send that too me !
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[20:02:28] <quasi> http://www.unitedmedia.com/wash/pcnpixel/archive/ :)
[20:06:22] <bank> sorry I forgot , if file is read only
[20:06:29] <bank> no need to chmod but .. use
[20:06:32] <bank> !w?
[20:06:54] <Error_404> dclarke: dcc
[20:07:52] <dclarke> dcc ?
[20:07:59] <dclarke> huh ?
[20:08:08] <Error_404> nvm, i'll just email it to you
[20:08:10] <dclarke> I'm lost here ... do not understand
[20:08:19] <Error_404> the solaris logo you wanted
[20:08:26] <dclarke> thanks !
[20:11:00] <dclarke> I wonder if there is a IRC chan for Mozilla/SeaMonkey work ?
[20:12:23] <Peanut> They've got (used to have?) a bunch of newsgroups on their own server.
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[20:12:46] <dclarke> I'm trying to see if the source to SeaMonkey 1.5a is avail
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[20:12:53] <Peanut> Been a while since I worked on that project though, around 1.0 days.
[20:13:00] <Peanut> Mozilla 1.0, that is.
[20:13:10] <dclarke> oh ..
[20:13:15] <dclarke> thats a while ago now
[20:13:35] <Peanut> have you tried CVS?
[20:13:46] <dclarke> not yet
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[20:14:04] <mrdeviant> hi tom
[20:14:13] <libkeiser> afternoon
[20:14:21] <Peanut> I guess you meant SeaMonkey 1.0.5a ?
[20:15:38] <dclarke> nope
[20:15:45] <dclarke> let me show you whats in my logs here
[20:15:51] <dclarke> 216.13.38.146 - - [08/Oct/2006:14:06:18 -0400] "GET /dclarke/netbeans_5.0_SeaMonkey_2_sm.png HTTP/1.0" 200 36970 "http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0050/index-p3.html" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20060909 Firefox/1.5.0.7"
[20:16:05] <dclarke> thats 1.5.0.7 for FireFox
[20:16:14] <dclarke> 24.146.17.108 - - [08/Oct/2006:13:46:02 -0400] "GET /sitestats/usage_200610.html HTTP/1.1" 200 118814 "http://www.blastwave.org/sitestats/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9a1) Gecko/20061007 SeaMonkey/1.5a"
[20:16:25] <dclarke> thats 1.5a for SeaMonkey
[20:16:35] <bank> vnc back , everything back except smc
[20:17:47] <bank> I can only from localhost.
[20:22:08] <bank> netbeans 5 ?
[20:22:31] <bank> dclarke Do you develope Netbeans platform or RCP ?
[20:22:47] <Peanut> Interesting way to keep up to date with the latest browser-releases, dclarke :)
[20:23:07] <dclarke> Peanut : pretty edgy huh ?
[20:23:27] <dclarke> Peanut : I even build non-debug builds of recent Solaris Nevada code drops
[20:23:50] <Peanut> Oh, I've only done debug builds so far - on an U10, so that got old pretty quick.
[20:24:06] <dclarke> here : http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0056/index.html
[20:25:00] <Peanut> dclarke: thanks, I already knew about that, just don't have the hardware to do much usefull with it at the moment.
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[20:25:21] <dclarke> try a Sparc build
[20:25:37] <bank> ...
[20:25:54] <dclarke> okat .. its Thanksgiving dinner day here
[20:26:09] <dclarke> I need to go clean up and stop looking like such a geeky computer guy
[20:26:14] <dclarke> for a least one day
[20:26:15] <tsoome> yhanksgiving already?
[20:26:28] <dclarke> in Canada
[20:26:46] <dclarke> and possibly Britain but I doubt they celebrate such a thing
[20:26:57] <tsoome> damit, how the time goes so fast...
[20:29:07] <dclarke> gota go ..
[20:29:11] <dclarke> back in a while
[20:29:17] <dclarke> full of turkey and falling asleep
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[20:29:35] <bank> webconsole disable remote access since 5/06
[20:32:44] * Peanut wonders if dclarke saw his own quit-message *grin*
[20:35:54] <bank> good night everyone
[20:35:59] <bank> it's 1.30 AM here
[20:37:13] <Peanut> Good night, bank
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[20:51:41] <Error_404> drats... my music is locked up
[20:51:53] <Error_404> and by "locked up" i mean "on a ZFS drive"
[20:52:05] <Error_404> which would be okay, except the machine it resides on is dead
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[21:02:14] <n0rus> hi all
[21:03:22] <n0rus> Could anyone help me to get my X server up and running?
[21:04:51] <n0rus> It's an Asus W2V laptop, 17" (1680x1050), ATI Mobility Radeon X700 running build 49
[21:05:01] <n0rus> I've gathered some info here: http://temp.deformica.com
[21:05:06] <n0rus> logs and stuff
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[21:06:18] <n0rus> come on, anyone alive?
[21:10:25] <Cybernd> sure but alive means nothing
[21:11:06] <Cybernd> (no clue about your question gg but an interesting notebook model)
[21:11:15] <n0rus> :)
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[21:13:20] <n0rus> X is my weakest area. I have never configured X in Solaris
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[21:39:09] <Error_404> well shit.
[21:39:22] <Error_404> i think my SATA controller's pooched or something
[21:39:30] <Error_404> when i have my sata drive plugged in to the machine, it fails to boot
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[21:45:51] <_william_> gn
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[21:50:31] <Yamaraj> VMware Server is very slow for installing and using Solaris on. Hmm.
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[22:01:39] <Yamaraj> Is there any other virtualization software that works well with Solaris?
[22:03:12] <tsoome> parallels for mac? :)
[22:04:03] <Yamaraj> Out of question.
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[22:56:23] <silly_girl22> im installing SAMP. i dont have a mysql user. im following the directions here. http://hell.jedicoder.net/
[22:57:21] <quasi> silly_girl22: useradd
[22:57:51] <silly_girl22> was i supposed to have the mysql user already or get it when i installed mysql?
[22:59:12] <quasi> you probably have to add your own
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[23:07:04] <kleppari> does the solaris driver interface implent some sort of bounce buffers?
[23:08:27] <kleppari> the DMA engine on my soundcard can only access 31-bit addresses..  I'm just wondering how to get around that limitation
[23:14:34] <Peanut> Soldering iron?
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[23:17:31] <PerterB> I believe the solaris kernel has support for drivers which need to implement bounce buffers... as to whether the driver for your particular soundcard implements it....Use the source ;)
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[23:27:06] <kleppari> PerterB, it doesn't implent it, that's why I'm wondering how to get around it :P
[23:27:39] <kleppari> well, I can get around it by making sure XMMS is started before I start using gigs of RAM, but that's not really a solution :P
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[23:48:30] <elektronkind> kleppari: I'd post the question to drivers-discuss
[23:51:01] <kleppari> yeah, I need to read up a bit first, in order to post an informed question :P
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