October 5, 2006 
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October 5, 2006 [00:04:20] *** bengtf has quit IRC [00:08:57] <hile_> how goes it? [00:09:04] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [00:18:15] <Gman> hile_, half asleep at the moment [00:18:28] <Gman> but have got a cup of coffee freshly ground beside me [00:18:29] <Gman> so that should help [00:18:42] <hile_> mm coffee [00:19:08] <Error_404> fresh ground coffee is tasty [00:25:40] <dclarke> fresh ground coffee is a necessity [00:29:13] <Error_404> i tend to buy organic/fairtrade as well... mostly just because the better blends tend to all be that way (worse blends meaning the crap you pick up at the supermarket) [00:30:19] *** solarisjon has quit IRC [00:32:06] <kleppari> dclarke, more important than oxygen [00:32:19] * Gman has races to see how strong the coffee is each morning, and how many cups he can get to before the first toilet run ;) [00:32:42] <kleppari> anywho, the Ultra 20 M2.. how's the build quality? [00:32:44] <Gman> yes, it's that working at home insanity getting to me. [00:32:46] <Error_404> i don't even like overly strong coffee.... i'm a fan of good coffee [00:33:08] <kleppari> a thousand bucks is no money for that box [00:33:13] <kleppari> if it's any good, that is [00:33:14] <_william_> gn [00:33:15] *** _william_ has left #opensolaris [00:33:18] <richlowe> the strong coffee is to wake you up enough to enjoy the good coffee. [00:35:33] <dclarke> here's a good question .. suppose you wanted to make a storage array or storage solution [00:35:36] <dclarke> 6TB of it [00:35:49] <dclarke> to attach to a V890 [00:35:56] <dclarke> what .. would you use ? [00:36:01] <Error_404> glue 12 500G drives together [00:36:08] <dclarke> two racks of A5200's ? [00:36:23] <dclarke> are there 500GB fibre disks ? [00:36:28] <Error_404> better still, duct tape the lot of 'em [00:36:35] <dclarke> no .. I think more spindles is a better way to get good IO [00:36:46] <hali> biggest fc-al available is 300gb atm [00:36:51] <dclarke> I did some experiments last nigt [00:36:57] <Error_404> okay, duct tape 24 250G drives together [00:37:02] <dclarke> hrmmm 300 gb fcal [00:37:11] *** adp has joined #opensolaris [00:37:14] <dclarke> I wonder why its behind the SAS or SATA technology [00:37:26] <hali> SAS is also 300 isn't it? [00:37:34] <dclarke> I heard rumours that the SAS/SATA stuff has a short lifespan [00:37:49] <hali> only slower SATA is available in 300+ (750) [00:38:01] <dclarke> I think it would be cool to build a solution which will last four years of non-stop abuse [00:38:35] <dclarke> I think I'll check the Sun catalog [00:38:38] <hali> with enough spares :) [00:38:43] <dclarke> see what they sell before looking at EMC [00:38:57] <Gman> hrm, here's a first, i'm relying on dlc.sun.com as a source for tarballs/packages [00:38:59] <Gman> how cool is that? [00:39:27] * dclarke doesn't get it [00:39:40] <Gman> rather than internal locations [00:39:41] <jamesd_> dclarke, x4500.. they are coming close to saying if you set it up with raidz2 and a couple hot spares, you don't need to ever replace a drive in its 5-6 year production life. [00:40:07] <dclarke> thats one point of failure however [00:40:18] <dclarke> I better look at that [00:40:46] <hali> a 6140 perhaps [00:41:02] <dclarke> Sun StorageTek 3510 FC ? [00:41:31] <dclarke> it says supported by Solaris Operating Environments 9; 8 only [00:41:34] <dclarke> no 10 [00:41:43] <jamesd_> there are no cables, everything is directly on the motherboard, and properly designed and cooled.. it should last 5-6 years with the drives them selfs being the week link, and the system can handle 2 drive fails per raidz group and has hotspares ready to go. [00:42:51] *** postwait has quit IRC [00:44:36] <Error_404> i would like to play with an array actually [00:44:45] <Error_404> i have more or less no idea how to properly use storage [00:45:02] <Error_404> a D1000 or something [00:45:53] <hali> a5200 is the optimal storage toy ... at least if you con't price [00:46:10] <Stric> http://stric.se/tmp/fs.html .. I'm trying to get some performance out of a box.. UFS isn't looking good ;) [00:46:16] <hile_> hali: agreed. [00:46:23] <hile_> for real work, I call EMC [00:47:46] <ShadowHntr> anyone play with the Netra storage arrays? [00:48:19] <dclarke> sure [00:48:23] <dclarke> I have five of them [00:48:32] <dclarke> depends on what you mena [00:48:34] <ShadowHntr> st D130 [00:48:41] <dclarke> those things ? [00:48:44] <ShadowHntr> they limited to the 36gb disks or can they handle 73gb or higher [00:48:47] <dclarke> thats just a disk box [00:48:49] <ShadowHntr> yeah [00:48:50] <hali> d130 is alright, but was silly expensive [00:48:56] <dclarke> they work great [00:49:05] <dclarke> stick in 72GB disks and smile [00:49:22] <dclarke> heck .. stick in big disks and smile [00:49:45] <dclarke> the Netra st D130 is dirt cheap [00:49:46] <hile_> as long as you use disks that don't exceed the power/cooling requirements of the ones that are certified for it. [00:49:48] <dclarke> and only 1U [00:49:53] <dclarke> ya gotta love em [00:50:00] <dclarke> screw the certs [00:50:07] <dclarke> pop in big disks [00:50:17] <dclarke> ensure you have air conditioning [00:50:24] <dclarke> don't worry about it [00:50:56] <dclarke> # metastat -p d8 [00:50:58] <dclarke> d8 -m d28 d18 1 [00:50:59] <dclarke> d28 1 3 c3t2d0s5 c3t3d0s5 c3t4d0s5 -i 512b [00:51:00] <dclarke> d18 1 3 c2t2d0s5 c2t3d0s5 c2t4d0s5 -i 512b [00:51:11] <dclarke> there is 3 x 72GB disks in a D130 x 2 [00:51:18] <dclarke> dual controllers [00:51:23] <Error_404> oh... neat... d130's _are_ dirt cheap [00:51:38] <Error_404> filthy cheap = student toy [00:51:46] <hile_> I still prefer FC over SCSI [00:51:57] * dclarke who doesn't ! [00:51:57] <ShadowHntr> yeap [00:52:07] <dclarke> Current Drive Temperature: 41 C [00:52:15] <dclarke> the disks .. they are a tad warm [00:52:20] <dclarke> but not bad really [00:52:35] <dclarke> number of hours powered up = 12286.47 [00:52:48] <dclarke> Device: SEAGATE ST373307LSUN72G Version: 0507 [00:53:07] <dclarke> yep .. get yourself a band of D130's and pop in disks [00:53:17] <dclarke> cheap redundant storage [00:53:48] <dclarke> although my A5200's are way sweeter [00:55:36] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1XcP8U89.nln.html [00:55:45] *** gtc has joined #opensolaris [00:55:46] <dclarke> thats just nuts of course [00:55:52] <ShadowHntr> and it sounds like a dumb question [00:55:57] <ShadowHntr> but they take SCA disks, right? [00:56:04] <Error_404> though i suppose i could just get another SATA controller and 3 drives for toying with [00:56:13] <dclarke> yep [00:56:18] <dclarke> regular SCA disks [00:56:34] <ShadowHntr> cool [00:56:35] <ShadowHntr> :D [00:57:51] <ShadowHntr> and will 1.6" drives fit in there? [00:57:56] <ShadowHntr> the enclosures don't look that tall... [00:58:25] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/Netra_st_D130_frontopen_zoom.jpg [00:59:35] <dclarke> thats a marketting pic [00:59:44] <dclarke> here is the real thing : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/eBay/5877027557/D130_left.png [01:00:24] <ShadowHntr> reason i'm asking is that i've found it's easier to find full-height drives [01:00:25] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/eBay/5877027557/D130_right.png [01:00:33] <dclarke> full height ? [01:00:40] <dclarke> you mean the fat disks ? [01:00:44] <ShadowHntr> i mean the tall disks [01:01:03] <dclarke> you must be kidding [01:01:13] <dclarke> why use those old bricks [01:01:30] <ShadowHntr> cause that's what i ended up with [01:01:34] <dclarke> no way man .. go with el cheapo D130's and a deck of 72GB disks [01:01:39] <dclarke> oh .. [01:01:48] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [01:01:49] <dclarke> in that case .. geez .. you need an old old D1000 [01:02:32] <axisys> is there any dtrace training available near wash,dc metro area? [01:03:03] <axisys> my company is willing to pay but the arlington, va sun center keep cancelling the class [01:03:27] <Gman> suckage. [01:03:32] *** koolniczka has left #opensolaris [01:10:57] <jamesd_> axisys, contact brendan at sun dot com maybe he can find some free time.. [01:11:29] <elektronkind> axisys: where around dc are you? [01:11:39] <elektronkind> we need a DCOSUG [01:12:57] <stevel> heads up: opensolaris.org is about to go down for about 10 minutes [01:13:24] <Gman> ooh, what's changing? [01:14:07] <dclarke> now what [01:14:20] <jamesd_> someone moved the mouse more than 2" ... oh wait that is only windoze [01:14:38] <stevel> rolling over to new database and new webapp [01:14:46] <dclarke> oh oh [01:14:47] <Gman> sweet [01:14:53] * dclarke crosses fingers [01:15:00] * Gman wonders what new features we'll get [01:15:07] <dclarke> it still up [01:15:14] <dclarke> an ... it up now [01:15:15] <sickness> evening all [01:15:38] <Error_404> Gman: i'm hoping for the "not disassociating you from projects randomly" feature [01:15:44] <Gman> heh [01:16:08] <Gman> i'm hoping for a bunch of minor cleanup fixes to various autogenerated content [01:16:19] <axisys> elektronkind: arlington, va [01:16:23] <Gman> [but since i haven't actually logged bugs for them, it's a little unfair to ask] [01:16:31] <richlowe> I'm hoping stevel doesn't break it again. [01:16:35] <richlowe> :) [01:16:42] <stevel> keep hoping [01:16:44] <stevel> :-P [01:16:58] <gisburn> Error_404: Maybe we can get a "join random project and subscribe to all project lists at once with unsubscribe turned off" [01:17:00] <elektronkind> put up a dontime page that just says "It's stevel's fault" [01:17:07] <gisburn> Error_404: .... option [01:17:08] <axisys> jamesd_: hmm brendan will have time?! will give it a shot .. but doubt it :P [01:17:35] <dclarke> get a damn web page icon !! [01:17:46] <dclarke> oops .. she's down [01:18:01] <gisburn> dclarke: ping! [01:18:04] <gisburn> dclarke: any ETA when Solaris/PPC will be able to run a compiler ? [01:18:14] <dclarke> 2009 [01:18:15] <jamesd_> axisys, well he works for sun..not sure if he is in California permanently are not... but at least if he could squeeze a couple days of vacation time to make some nice money.. he may work it out.. [01:18:27] <gisburn> dclarke: you're kidding, right ? [01:18:32] <dclarke> no [01:18:39] <dclarke> why would I kid ? [01:19:00] <dclarke> heck .. I dunno [01:19:06] <dclarke> six months or less [01:19:13] <gisburn> dclarke: 2009 is the day of the beat, the day when the dark will be quite dark, when satan's run will drink blood again and mogroth will get back his feet... [01:19:19] <gisburn> s/beat/beast/ [01:19:30] <gisburn> xx@@@!!-typos ruining my jokes. [01:19:30] <sickness> gisburn: that had to be 2000 too, remember? ;P [01:20:09] <gisburn> s/satan's run/satan's son/ [01:20:13] <axisys> jamesd_: u mean one on one.. that would probly be a million dollar.. hehe [01:20:36] <Error_404> dclarke: 2009? holy ambitious [01:20:39] <Error_404> ... [01:20:47] <axisys> jamesd_: i think sun training center in arlington, va cancells since not enough people register [01:20:54] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:20:57] <elektronkind> dclarke: get my pics [01:20:58] <elektronkind> ? [01:21:06] <dclarke> got em [01:21:07] <Error_404> 6 people, 1000klines of code.... 3 years [01:21:08] <dclarke> thanks [01:21:10] <jamesd_> axisys, he usually is just a paid teacher with some 3rd party company making the real bucks.. if you get 5 or 6 people together.... that would be about $10k in his pocket for 3 days of work. [01:21:12] <dclarke> a few fuzzies [01:21:26] <Error_404> plus it's a "spare time" project [01:21:28] <elektronkind> yeah, my phone camera aint superb, but it's all I have [01:21:29] <gisburn> Hurray, www.opensolaris.org is finally down (see Linux lawyers in action!) [01:21:29] <Error_404> heh [01:21:36] <elektronkind> er had on me [01:21:44] <Gman> someone should really update the topic :) [01:21:57] <Gman> it's way too fricken long [01:22:22] <Error_404> opensolaris.org is down, wtf? [01:22:27] <Error_404> solaris sucks, i should use linux [01:22:28] *** gisburn has quit IRC [01:22:29] <Error_404> heh [01:22:36] <elektronkind> yeah, where's my five 9's ?? [01:22:48] <sickness> ???? [01:22:49] <dclarke> five 7's good enough ? [01:23:07] <elektronkind> if opensolaris.org can't stay up, what does /thaaaat/ say about the OS [01:23:10] <Error_404> heh [01:23:19] * elektronkind rolls his eyes, flips his hair and huffs [01:23:36] <elektronkind> (going for the drama award here) [01:23:54] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [01:24:41] <gisburn> /topic #opensolaris opensolaris.org down, Sun bankruped and Solaris is now a M$ product. Happy 1st 4.2006! [01:24:45] <richlowe> Gman: trim the bit about the bot, and OpenSolaris.org which is obvious, and update the SXCR bit to be accurate, and it won't be so bad. [01:25:08] <gisburn> richlowe: we could use mozbot for such tasks [01:25:39] <richlowe> I have an absolute distrust of bots. [01:25:55] *** gisburn is now known as gisbot [01:26:00] <gisbot> richlowe: trust me! [01:26:06] <Gman> indeed [01:26:07] *** deather_ has quit IRC [01:26:15] *** gisbot is now known as gisburn [01:26:24] <Gman> i'd remove the blog link, the wiki, the bot and the opensolaris.org bit [01:26:31] <Gman> at the very least [01:26:31] <richlowe> Gman: the blog link is useful. [01:26:43] <richlowe> Gman: it answers the regular Solaris v. Sol Express v. SX:CR question. [01:26:58] <Gman> yeah, except no one looks at long topics like that [01:27:07] <Gman> they ask the question first, and people reply with the answer [01:27:10] <twincest> the blog link is useless, it has no description [01:27:16] <gisburn> richlowe: the log link, the wiki stuff and the build version thing is usefull [01:27:20] <twincest> and i think the log link is silly too [01:27:27] * gisburn kicks twincest [01:27:28] <Gman> hoooray, svn goes live next week! [01:27:29] <twincest> keep the wiki though [01:27:58] <Gman> the topic should contain short information about what's relevant/important [01:28:07] <richlowe> the build and SXCR things are handy, stevel's blog post would be handy with a more obvious title. [01:28:08] <Gman> not a large catchall bucket for everything [01:28:21] <Gman> richlowe, handy for you to cut and paste to people? :) [01:28:24] <twincest> we're not living in the days of 120 char TOPICLEN anymore :) [01:29:11] <Gman> my client only shows the last 2 urls [01:29:14] <dwc-> if there's already a bot, why not give it a couple triggers [01:29:15] <Gman> so i miss the important stuff [01:29:25] <Gman> yeah, i agree with dwc :) [01:29:26] <twincest> maybe you need a better client ;-D [01:29:30] <dwc-> and put the info triggers in the topic [01:29:34] <dwc-> or have it spam onjoin [01:29:49] <dclarke> sdlc download speed is crap at the moment [01:29:51] <dwc-> not that I'm a fan of onjoin spam [01:29:56] <dclarke> 125Kb/sec [01:30:14] <Error_404> i don't even get the onjoin [01:30:19] <dwc-> there isn't one. [01:30:22] <dwc-> or wait, yes there is [01:30:23] * Error_404 *hugs* irssi proxy [01:30:24] <Gman> dclarke, with my isp i'm getting 20Kb/s [01:30:31] <twincest> there's a really useles one [01:30:41] <dwc-> 10:38 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ at services dot )- [#opensolaris] Welcome friends to a bold new era of community involvement at Sun! [01:30:52] <Gman> yeah, it's terrible [01:30:55] <Error_404> that'd be the one [01:31:01] <Gman> onjoin is fine - we should put that stuff there [01:31:13] <Gman> and keep the topic for important messages like opensolaris.org going down [01:31:18] <twincest> except it's a pain to read the onjoin [01:31:20] <dwc-> if someone sets up a more aptly named link, it could 302 to steve's post [01:31:47] <dwc-> maybe he'll even do it ... ;) [01:32:03] <stevel> hang on. i can only destroy one website at a time [01:32:13] <Gman> heh [01:32:15] <gisburn> dwc: Why do I get '10:38 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ at services dot )- [#opensolaris] Need more power in your datacenter ? Join IBM now and leave the darlk age of Sun!' [01:32:18] <stevel> once i'm done breaking opensolaris.org, i'll break my blog [01:32:29] <dwc-> steve, destroyer of websites, foe of blogs everywhere [01:32:51] <dwc-> doesn't even have to be part of the blog ... you have mod_rewrite =) [01:33:05] <richlowe> dwc-: that's just evil. [01:33:20] <richlowe> don't give him new and interesting ways to break stuff, he's still happy with the ones he already has :) [01:33:40] <Error_404> steve just needs to whistle in to an ethernet jack to destroy blogs [01:33:48] <Error_404> he's *that* dangerous [01:33:59] <gisburn> Error_404: I prefer the old school solutions. [01:34:10] <dwc-> gopher? [01:34:20] * gisburn hands stevel his bossler 40mm frontloader shotgun to shoot dwc- [01:34:29] <gisburn> dwc-: ... [01:34:33] <gisburn> dwc-: ... RUN! [01:34:36] <dwc-> archie? [01:34:48] <sickness> hey why is opensolaris.org down? :( [01:35:00] <dclarke> stevel killed it [01:35:01] <gisburn> sickness: Linus sued Sun. [01:35:24] <gisburn> (that is at least one theory) [01:35:25] <sickness> gisburn: lol, ok, now really [01:35:42] <sickness> ok give me a real teory, or a better teory ;P [01:35:42] <dclarke> stevel killed it . .really [01:35:44] <gisburn> sickness: really ? stevel had a bad day and needed to kick something. [01:35:45] <Gman> [if we had a proper topic, then sickness would already know the answer...] [01:35:48] <dclarke> he went bezeerk [01:35:54] <dclarke> drinking all after noon [01:35:59] <sickness> ?!? [01:36:01] <Gman> sickness, going down for maintenance - upgrade of new database and webapp [01:36:04] <dclarke> strolled into the office ranting about some girl named alice [01:36:08] <dclarke> went nuts [01:36:09] <sickness> oh, tnx =) [01:36:10] <Gman> gisburn and dclarke are talking shit. [01:36:17] <gisburn> sickness: alternative: Alien monsters from PXV-987/87 arived at the Sun camput and ate the server [01:36:23] <sickness> I was really afraid that it could be taken down :') [01:36:26] <stevel> now now... i may have been drinking all noon - but that is completely irrelevant to the website being down [01:36:43] <sickness> gisburn: what about the dragons? [01:36:46] <Error_404> gisburn: the RJ-45 -> Mains adaptor cable? [01:36:50] <dclarke> oh face it .. your blind drunk and hit the power reset [01:37:04] <gisburn> sickness: nah, they are on vacation. [01:37:06] <dclarke> well done too .. ya killed it [01:37:14] <stevel> what can i say [01:37:15] <gisburn> stevel: gratulations! [01:37:15] <dwc-> I'd probably trim it to something like .... OpenSolaris.org | Latest Build: 49 | http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ | SXCR: 48 [01:37:19] <dwc-> and stuff the rest in the onjoin [01:37:20] <stevel> i'm chinese. we get drunk easily. [01:37:20] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [01:37:23] <gisburn> dwc-: no. [01:37:23] * stevel shrugs [01:37:36] <dclarke> not the chinese I know [01:37:44] <dclarke> up all night playing mahjong [01:37:51] <dwc-> maybe add the wiki [01:37:51] <dclarke> sipping cold tea [01:37:52] <gisburn> dwc-: stop messing with the topic unless you want that I do some experiments with your bones, a towel and a icecrusher [01:37:59] <dclarke> and eating shark fin soup [01:38:03] <Gman> dwc: anyone who can get to #opensolaris, probably knows how to get to opensolaris.org [01:38:04] <dclarke> love that shark fin soup [01:38:05] <dwc-> gisburn: ran out of komodo dragons? [01:38:05] <gisburn> ewwwww [01:38:14] <dclarke> ewww ? [01:38:19] <gisburn> dwc-: no, they demanded a paid vacation, except one [01:38:22] <dclarke> eww ? what ? shark fin soup ? [01:38:28] <dwc-> Gman: true [01:38:29] <dclarke> its a delicacy I tell ya [01:38:36] <dclarke> almost $100 a bowl also [01:38:43] * gisburn throws a brick at dclarke [01:38:49] <gisburn> sharkteaser! [01:38:52] <Error_404> that's what it's called [01:38:58] <gisburn> yeah [01:39:07] <Error_404> RJ-45 to NEMA 1-15 adaptor [01:39:58] *** Sir-Al[laptop] has joined #opensolaris [01:40:29] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [01:41:19] *** Sir-Al has quit IRC [01:42:48] *** Sir-Al[laptop] has quit IRC [01:43:23] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [01:43:43] <dclarke> somedays I just would rather be driving a Ferrari [01:44:06] <Error_404> is your penis really that small? [01:45:00] * Debolaz takes the bus. [01:45:05] <Gman> man, i wish i knew how to debug as well as this - 6478202 [01:45:36] <Gman> oh darn, bug database hasn't synced up yet :/ [01:45:53] <Debolaz> I'm divided between upgrading to Vista or going to a non-Microsoft OS on my desktop. [01:45:56] <richlowe> Gman: so give us a synopsis. [01:46:09] <Gman> *Synopsis*: gaim+libumem dumps core after a short time in http_complete() [01:46:34] <Error_404> oh is that what was going on? [01:46:49] *** richlowe has quit IRC [01:46:50] <Error_404> i just upgraded it to 2.0 when i got annoyed at it [01:47:11] <Gman> seemingly [01:47:26] <Gman> and i realize that most kernel devs go through this stuff a lot [01:47:48] <Gman> Error_404, if you /msg me your email, i'll forward the bug desc [01:51:06] <stevel> oh this is going badly [01:51:26] <dclarke> drink more [01:51:33] <dclarke> yeah .. site is still down [01:51:44] <Error_404> yeah man [01:51:45] <Error_404> fix it [01:51:46] <Error_404> ;) [01:51:51] <dclarke> just toss you hands in the air saying "I can't work under this pressure" and walk out [01:51:55] <twincest> open a support ticket ;-D [01:52:06] <Error_404> quit testing on production boxes [01:52:09] <sickness> lol [01:52:10] <dclarke> well .. nows a good time to take blastwave down too [01:52:21] <sickness> dclarke: running in circles yelling that could be an option too ;P [01:52:50] *** richlowe has joined #opensolaris [01:56:51] <axisys> how to disable ipv6? [01:56:54] <dclarke> okay .. I think I'll knock down Blastwave .. do a quick log roll and patch .. then back up .. see how long it takes [01:57:06] <gisburn> The Sun universe is dead. OpenSolaris.org gone, blastwave.org gone, sunhelp.org scheduled to go away and m$ bought Solaris... [01:57:12] <Error_404> let's bring down sun.com for a while [01:57:14] <sickness> :(((( [01:57:23] <gisburn> Error_404: YEAH! [01:57:24] <elektronkind> sunhelp is going away? [01:58:01] <gisburn> elektronkind: disclaimer: we're just teasing stevel a little bit since he broke opensolaris.org [01:58:06] <elektronkind> oh [01:58:11] <elektronkind> whew [01:58:29] <gisburn> elektronkind: they will go awy next week [01:58:35] <alanc> he did send out advanced warning that opensolaris.org was going down [01:58:36] * elektronkind admits to picking on mrbill in the past, but he runs a nice site. [01:58:43] <dclarke> well .. I'm done [01:58:58] <Stric> axisys: remove /etc/hostname6.<if> ? [01:59:27] <dwc-> runs a nice site ... if you visit with IE [02:00:16] <gisburn> dwc-: let me guess: <html><body><marquee><blink>textcomeshere</blink></marquee></body></html> ? [02:00:25] *** Sir-Al has quit IRC [02:00:36] <dclarke> marquee is a HTML tag ? [02:00:45] <gisburn> dclarke: unfortunately [02:00:55] <dwc-> yes, but it is eeeeeeeeeeeeeebil [02:00:56] <dclarke> really .. huh .. [02:00:59] <dclarke> never used it [02:01:00] * Gman ponders proposing a talk for the opensolaris dev conf [02:01:04] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [02:01:06] <Gman> [which should also be in the topic fwiw] [02:01:15] <dclarke> I wonder what it does .. [02:01:18] <Stric> <marquee> in the topic? :) [02:01:21] <dclarke> gotta try that [02:01:55] <dwc-> gman: it'll still fit [02:02:01] <dclarke> wwow [02:02:02] <Gman> dwc-, :) [02:02:07] <dwc-> I think you've still got another hundred chars to go before you hit 450 [02:02:09] <dclarke> a lightbuld here just blew up [02:02:15] <dclarke> with a pop and everything [02:03:09] <stevel> it's back up [02:03:25] <Gman> stevel, nice work [02:03:26] <dclarke> I got first hit !! [02:03:41] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [02:03:48] <elektronkind> what was the dt for, stevel? [02:03:59] <stevel> (16:09:51) stevel: heads up: opensolaris.org is about to go down for about 10 minutes [02:04:02] <stevel> (17:00:05) stevel: it's back up [02:04:09] <gisburn> elektronkind: stevel was paid by IBM to take the site down [02:04:09] <stevel> clearly, my view of time is distorted [02:04:15] <stevel> sorry that took so long [02:04:20] <Error_404> nothing's changed! awesome! [02:04:21] <dclarke> no .. thats ten minutes [02:04:26] <dclarke> wow [02:04:32] <dclarke> so bill for ten minutes [02:04:35] <dclarke> :-) [02:04:41] <Stric> stevel: what? a downtime that got longer than planned? I'd never.. [02:04:49] <gisburn> stevel: Let me guess, your new motto is: " I am the destroyer of the world. I am the support of all. I care for all during the pralaya (natural abolition force) period, I am the only imperishable seed of destruction" [02:04:52] <stevel> elektronkind: new webapp, and new DB [02:05:20] <gisburn> stevel: did you remove "jive" ? [02:05:23] <stevel> no [02:05:26] <alanc> you haven't learned scotty's law yet? Always give estimates that are 4x too long, so when you screw up no one notices and when you get it right you're a miracle worker... [02:05:27] <gisburn> stevel: ;-( [02:05:30] <Gman> stevel, i assume mailman is getting regular updates? or ... ? [02:05:36] <elektronkind> b.o.o doesn't seem to be updated :/ [02:05:39] <gisburn> well, it is not chrismas every day [02:05:43] <Gman> just noticing quite a few security vulnerabilities on lwn.net [02:05:48] <richlowe> stevel: Want to kill or update the Current Build bit in the ON community? [02:05:53] <richlowe> stevel: since it's constantly wrong. [02:06:04] *** bubbva has quit IRC [02:06:13] <dwc-> vulns in mailman? argh. [02:06:16] <stevel> richlowe: remind me in about 20 minutes [02:06:22] <stevel> i'm trying to bringup the other app server [02:06:46] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [02:06:48] <Gman> richlowe, haven't you become a community leader for ON yet? [02:07:29] <Gman> or hasn't the webapp been changed so more than just community leaders can edit pages? ;) [02:07:42] <Gman> hey bubbva [02:08:21] <dwc-> hm, I'm only one version out of date on mailman, not bad [02:12:33] *** alanc_ has joined #opensolaris [02:14:36] *** gtc has quit IRC [02:16:00] *** ndroux has quit IRC [02:17:54] <sickness> I go to bed, nite all [02:19:06] *** avarab has joined #opensolaris [02:19:20] *** flynux has joined #opensolaris [02:22:17] *** svoboda has quit IRC [02:25:18] <bubbva> hey Gman! [02:25:29] *** bubbva has quit IRC [02:26:28] *** karrotx has quit IRC [02:29:24] * axisys looking for a article on BIND on Solaris Container [02:31:11] *** avar has quit IRC [02:31:42] *** edytt has joined #opensolaris [02:31:47] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [02:32:59] <hell`> axisys, running bind in a solaris container? [02:33:48] <axisys> hell`: yeap.. i saw your link with zones.. just wanted to see if i could see some resource control added to it [02:34:08] <hell`> ah [02:34:44] <axisys> hell`: i guess i could find one with SRM and incorporate with yours [02:35:01] <hell`> just use brendan gregg's resource control page [02:35:03] <hell`> and then install bind [02:35:10] <axisys> hell`: good idea [02:35:37] *** steleman_work has joined #opensolaris [02:38:19] <axisys> hell`: u (or u know of one) of oracle in container? [02:38:48] <axisys> i saw one w/o zfs.. from 2005.. but i like to look at one w/ zfs [02:39:13] <axisys> looks like that would another one that i need piece together .. hehe [02:39:18] <hell`> dunno [02:39:26] <hell`> its all basically the same shit though [02:39:31] <twincest> don't put oracle on zfs, it's not fast enough yet [02:39:34] <axisys> hell`: ofcourse [02:40:05] <axisys> twincest: is that right.. one thing i know is not to rcap memory [02:40:16] <twincest> yes, there were a couple of b.s.o entries about it recently [02:40:25] *** Vas has quit IRC [02:40:30] <axisys> b.s.o ? [02:40:39] <twincest> b.s.c even. (blogs.sun.com) [02:40:48] <axisys> ah [02:41:32] *** nwf has quit IRC [02:41:57] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [02:42:58] *** stevel has quit IRC [02:43:59] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [02:44:31] <kimc> hello opensolaris enthusiasts [02:46:44] *** steleman_work has quit IRC [02:48:09] <kimc> whats gaim ;) ? [02:48:25] <dclarke> its a IRC client [02:48:29] *** hell` has quit IRC [02:48:32] <kimc> ah thanks [02:48:34] <dclarke> but supports other protocols also [02:49:12] *** Sir-Al has quit IRC [02:51:16] <kimc> I've got a difficult problem with recent hardware which is 'supported' but it doesn't function, where can I pursue that ? [02:52:01] <jamesd_> kimc, www.linux.org or www.microsoft.com or take it up with your hardware vender [02:52:31] <kimc> jamesd_ you're not helpful [02:52:54] <dclarke> whats the hardware ? [02:54:23] <dclarke> kimc : what hardware ? [02:54:24] <kimc> Its an Asus i bought because it supports amd am2, which I found interesting, the Nvidia MCP55 chipset [02:54:35] <dclarke> amd ? [02:54:40] <dclarke> or AM2 ? [02:54:48] <dclarke> oh .. duh [02:54:49] <dwc-> amd AM2 [02:54:51] <dclarke> AMD AM2 [02:54:54] <dclarke> I see [02:54:59] <dclarke> fairly new gear [02:55:00] <dclarke> cool [02:55:09] <kimc> well right.. [02:55:14] <dclarke> problem at boot ? [02:55:18] <dclarke> or suring install ? [02:55:20] <dclarke> or ? [02:55:21] <elektronkind> MCP55 chipset it what's in the newer sun opteron workstations [02:55:33] <dwc-> and what exactly "doesn't work" [02:55:34] <dclarke> yeah .. the X2100 [02:55:44] <ShadowHntr> i'm interested in the nvidia quadro nvs 210s chipset [02:56:00] <ShadowHntr> it's being produced by several vendors [02:56:10] <ShadowHntr> but i can't find them for sale anywhere [02:57:07] <ShadowHntr> http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2385&ModelName=GA-M55plus-S3G [02:57:16] <elektronkind> [root@helium]/local>ls [02:57:17] <elektronkind> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable [02:57:24] <elektronkind> damn this zfs/iscsitgt bug [02:57:40] <elektronkind> make a 2gb lun, kill your system. [03:01:15] <kimc> i make it work ~5 days go after ~ 2 weeks.. BRB i'll detail it.. [03:01:28] <kimc> the pizza's here.. [03:01:41] <dclarke> sto peverything .. for pizza ! [03:02:03] *** libkeiser has quit IRC [03:05:42] <kimc> no! no stopping :) [03:06:09] *** silly_girl22 has joined #opensolaris [03:07:34] <kimc> the mcp55 nic is assigned interrrupts etc but you can't receive or transmit any packets over it.. [03:08:16] <kimc> you ifconfig nge0 plumb <ip> etc and ifconfig shows all the parameters [03:08:53] <kimc> then ping <router_ip> and nothing [03:09:17] <elektronkind> what build are you using? [03:09:36] <kimc> for either of the 2 Nvidia interfaces [03:10:01] <elektronkind> I had the same issue with a nge interface on a MCP51-based system until build ~38 when the nge driver got updated to support that particular one [03:10:28] <kimc> this motherboard is a fine thing for experimenting/learning about Solaris [03:10:45] <kimc> this is build 48 [03:10:58] <kimc> buts its the same for 10 u2 [03:11:36] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [03:13:29] *** jwtodd has joined #opensolaris [03:14:22] <kimc> take it up with may hardware vendor eh james_d ;) ? [03:14:41] <kimc> where are you james ?> [03:15:02] <kimc> hiding under the bed ;) ? [03:16:49] <twincest> don't mind james, he's just bitter about linux ;-D [03:18:47] *** kimc has left #opensolaris [03:24:50] <axisys> twincest: so u r saying not to run oracle on zfs? is it slower than ufs for oracle? [03:25:00] <twincest> axi: that's what i've heard, yes [03:25:07] *** edytt has left #opensolaris [03:25:20] <twincest> zfs isn't well optimised for a database i/o load yet, although it's being worked on [03:25:32] <dclarke> anyone out there running Opera or MSIE at the moment ? [03:25:38] <twincest> dc: I [03:25:54] <dclarke> can ya eyeball something for me ? [03:25:57] <twincest> sure [03:26:02] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/OpenSolaris/Polaris/bluegrit/index.html [03:26:09] <axisys> hmm.. i wanted to setup a oracle container on t2000 [03:26:10] <dclarke> does that look right ? [03:26:42] <twincest> the red border on the first image overlaps the text (the image itself doesn't though) [03:26:52] <LeftWing> http://blogs.sun.com/realneel/entry/zfs_and_databases [03:26:53] <twincest> otherwise it's fine [03:27:02] <dclarke> weird .. [03:27:05] <dclarke> Opera ? [03:27:08] <axisys> LeftWing: let me take a look [03:27:10] <dclarke> or MSIE ? [03:27:39] <twincest> yes, opera 9.02 [03:27:50] <dclarke> damn .. Opera is a damn fine browser [03:27:53] <twincest> i assume the border is only for debugging, without that it'd be fine [03:27:57] <dclarke> must be a goof on my part [03:28:12] <dclarke> on my screen is all lines up perfect [03:28:17] <dclarke> within one pixel [03:28:48] <dclarke> the black border on the test is exaclty one pixel above the red border of the first image [03:29:01] <dclarke> the black border on the text is exactly one pixel above the red border of the first image [03:29:10] <dclarke> this is Mozilla ... [03:29:17] <dclarke> what ever ships with Sol10U2 [03:29:31] <dclarke> let me check with SeaMonkey 1.0.5 [03:30:55] <Xh4> WORD. [03:30:57] <Xh4> Opera is the SHIT. [03:30:59] <Xh4> :D [03:33:46] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [03:37:49] *** gisburn has quit IRC [03:42:01] <axisys> LeftWing: amazing article.. our dba told us to make sure log stays on different disk [03:42:23] <axisys> so in this case i will just create a separate zpool with a separate disk [03:42:36] <axisys> that brings the followng Q [03:43:05] <axisys> can I create two separate zpool within a non-global zone? [03:43:52] <hile_> create them in the global zone and stuff the devices into the config [03:43:59] <hile_> you can't see the devices directly [03:46:03] <axisys> hile_: hmm i am trying to follow ur comments.. [03:46:23] <axisys> so in a non-global zone i just point to that device for logging? [03:46:32] <hile_> create the LUNs in teh global zone [03:46:43] <axisys> hile_: ok [03:46:44] <hile_> then in zonecfg use IIRC add dev [03:46:48] *** dclarke has quit IRC [03:46:49] <hile_> or whatever the hell it is [03:46:53] <axisys> ok [03:47:29] <axisys> so once i add dev to a zone.. i can create a zpool inside? [03:49:21] <axisys> hile_: am i correct on that? [03:49:37] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [03:50:05] <dclarke> I'm back [03:50:16] <dclarke> this is SeaMonkey 1.0.5 [03:50:31] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/OpenSolaris/Polaris/bluegrit/index.html looks perfect [03:50:37] <dclarke> I dunno .. [03:50:46] <dclarke> could be an Opera issue [03:50:51] <dclarke> and MSIE [03:51:00] <dclarke> and all other browsers except mine [03:51:03] <dclarke> :-) [03:51:28] *** Cybernd has quit IRC [03:51:41] *** piwi_ has joined #opensolaris [03:51:51] *** piwi_ has quit IRC [03:54:38] *** danmorg has left #opensolaris [04:03:32] *** silly_girl22_ has joined #opensolaris [04:07:52] *** piwi has quit IRC [04:09:14] *** aliquis has joined #opensolaris [04:11:05] *** silly_girl22 has quit IRC [04:11:43] *** silly_girl22_ has quit IRC [04:11:52] *** silly_girl22_ has joined #opensolaris [04:13:12] *** silly_girl22_ is now known as silly_girl22 [04:16:06] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [04:23:40] *** silly_girl22 has quit IRC [04:28:16] *** bank has quit IRC [04:31:36] *** Dr_Jekyll has joined #opensolaris [04:34:34] *** nwf has quit IRC [04:38:00] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [04:41:21] *** Tpenta has quit IRC [04:45:26] *** Dr_Jekyl1 has quit IRC [04:46:50] *** lisppaste3 has quit IRC [04:49:26] *** lisppaste3 has joined #opensolaris [04:50:10] <dclarke> hello ? [04:50:24] <dclarke> anyone been able to download snv_b49 DVD parts yet ? [04:50:31] *** avarab is now known as avar [04:50:49] <dclarke> the file sol-nv-b49-x86-dvd-iso-d.zip generates an error for me [04:51:06] <dclarke> An error occurred while processing your request.<p> [04:51:07] <dclarke> Reference #50.15c06dc2.1160011280.e9b941 [04:51:20] <dclarke> what ever that means [04:52:11] <dclarke> yep .. same error .. over and over [04:54:06] <Gman> post to list [04:54:31] <dclarke> no .. I need to test with another browser first [04:54:32] <Gman> pretty sad that we have to go through this stuff every couple of months :( [04:54:42] <dclarke> the sdlc stuff you mean ? [04:54:51] <Gman> yeah, broken bits [04:55:32] <dclarke> I just accept it as part of the "community" process [04:55:45] <dclarke> no one beats me up too badly when Blastwave has minor snags [04:55:51] <Gman> early part, sure [04:55:59] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [04:56:00] <dclarke> but then again .. its really not the same scale of economy [04:56:11] <Gman> we're a year+ in [04:56:22] <Gman> most of the wrinkles should have been ironed out [04:57:06] <dclarke> ah ha [04:57:19] <dclarke> okay .. as I see it .. I seem to have fixed the issue [04:57:40] <dclarke> if I use links/lynx to down load then cool [04:57:45] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [04:57:46] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [04:57:59] <dclarke> but .. if there is any hiccup then lynx will not download the same link again [04:58:07] <dclarke> or the sdlc will not serve it [04:58:18] <dclarke> so I start a new browser session .. login to sdlc again [04:58:25] <dclarke> download .. it works [04:58:35] <dclarke> at about 521 KB/sec too [04:59:47] *** ndroux has joined #opensolaris [05:15:11] *** alanc_ is now known as alanc_away [05:16:13] <boyd> Anyone happen to know if it's safe to Live Upgrade from s10 06/06 to nv_48? [05:16:23] <dclarke> no way [05:16:24] <hile_> no clue [05:16:32] <dclarke> I wouldn't touch that [05:16:37] <twincest> i did it from 1/06 to b40 or so and it was okay [05:16:39] <boyd> Well... that's two "no"s :) [05:16:49] <dclarke> really ? [05:16:52] <dclarke> brave man [05:17:01] <twincest> it was only a test box :) [05:17:04] <boyd> I guess the worst thing that happes is I have to fall back to the old install [05:17:15] <dclarke> no [05:17:27] <dclarke> the worst thing is you need to totally fresh install [05:17:34] <dclarke> waste hours of time [05:17:40] <Gman> it's cool looking back at old mails - we're only a year old, and lots of progress being made [05:17:50] <Gman> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/message.jspa?messageID=24416 [for example on the weekly summary stuff..] [05:17:51] <boyd> Meh... it'd be a background task for me anyway [05:23:45] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [05:32:04] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [05:35:12] *** dclarke has quit IRC [05:41:08] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [06:00:00] *** laca has quit IRC [06:01:05] *** jcea has quit IRC [06:10:03] *** NilsAN has quit IRC [06:10:50] *** NilsAN has joined #opensolaris [06:48:09] *** snez has joined #opensolaris [06:48:47] <bank> Hello. [06:48:56] <boyd> Hi [06:49:29] <bank> I create zfs at 1. /export/zones/service-zone01 2. zonecfg:service-zone01> set zonepath=/export/zones/service-zone01 3. [06:49:35] <bank> . /export/zones/service-zone01 must not be group readable. [06:49:44] <bank> . /export/zones/service-zone01 must not be group executable. [06:49:55] <bank> could not verify zonepath /export/zones/service-zone01 because of the above errors. [06:50:28] <boyd> Ok, so two options: [06:50:41] <boyd> 1) chmod 700 /export/zones/service-zone01 [06:51:03] <boyd> 2) if /export/zones is already a zfs then don't make your own, let zoneadm do it for you [06:51:14] <Error_404> 700 won't work [06:51:25] <boyd> No? [06:51:27] <Error_404> 755 [06:51:34] <twincest> 755 is group readable [06:51:37] <bank> oh yes. /export/zones is already a zfs. [06:51:37] <Error_404> oh, n/m [06:51:42] <bank> but I read it said inheritance. [06:51:47] <Error_404> NOT group read/x [06:51:48] <bank> inheritance hirarchy .. [06:52:14] <boyd> Error_404: 700 works fine on this zone I'm looking at here [06:52:20] <bank> so ... I need to chmod 700 ? [06:52:30] <bank> ok wait a moment please. [06:52:47] <boyd> bank: Or on current builds it will make the sub-fs for you [06:53:08] <Error_404> yeah, i read the error as "must be group readable" [06:53:40] <boyd> Meh, what's a "not" between friends :) [06:53:51] <bank> boyd: pardon? [06:54:40] <bank> it's working. but May I understand .. what do you mean .. on [06:54:45] <boyd> bank: I mean that on current builds if /export/zones is a zfs, then zoneadm -z foo install will create /export/zones/foo for you, making a new fs [06:54:46] <bank> Or on current builds it will make the sub-fs for you [06:55:21] <bank> what is differ from I zfs create foo [06:55:35] <bank> pool/foo ( pool at /export/zones) [06:55:36] <boyd> You type fewer commands :) [06:56:06] <bank> (without chmod? ok) :) [06:56:27] <bank> zfs is not a VFS rigth? [06:56:47] <bank> I read a book about solaris there are one chapter talking about VFS and core dumps [06:56:49] <bank> I pass over it. [06:57:23] <bank> also storage and volumns.( because I think ZFS doesn't talking about volumsn) [06:57:28] <boyd> All FS in solaris run under the vfs layer. Do you mean pseudo fs? [06:57:58] <boyd> Oh... I think you mean regarding the vfstab, right? [06:58:22] <boyd> In that case, no, you don't need to edit the vfstab [06:58:31] <bank> 1. http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-5093/6mkisoq56?a=view here it said ZFS is Disk-Based File Systems and they category Virtual File Systems as another type. [06:59:04] <bank> 2. in the book, there is one chapter I step over it. "Manageing Virutal file systems and Core dumps" [06:59:20] <Error_404> oh, like /proc [06:59:26] <boyd> Then that sucks, since the standard term is "Pseudo file systems" [06:59:42] <bank> :O .. [06:59:50] <bank> which one is sucks.. [06:59:55] <bank> and what is correct. [07:00:05] <boyd> The docs.sun.com sucks. I am correct :) [07:00:13] <bank> lol :D [07:00:26] <bank> All FS in solaris run under the vfs layer. [07:00:37] <bank> and the same vfs as the book in 2. rigth? [07:01:36] <boyd> I'd say so... but you don't need to deal with vfstab for ZFS (which is what I'd guess that chapter covers) [07:01:56] <boyd> I have no idea why it shares a chapter with Core dumps, though [07:03:11] <bank> ok, thank you. [07:03:34] <boyd> Is it this book? : http://books.mcgraw-hill.com/getbook.php?isbn=0072229594&template= [07:04:12] <bank> Oh.. .exactly .. [07:05:24] <bank> I buy 2 months ago. Now I think I am able to read it more understandable. [07:06:27] * boyd notices that the chapters seem to have very similar titles to the module titles in certain courses [07:06:37] <bank> :o [07:08:37] <bank> boyd: ( if I have zfs at /export/test) If i do mkdir will it differ from zfs create ? [07:08:55] <boyd> Correct. [07:09:13] <bank> different!? [07:09:21] <bank> Why ..! [07:09:29] <bank> oh i see. benefit of zfs [07:09:43] <boyd> They are different, yes. There is some discussion about changing that but at the moment they are different [07:09:50] <bank> but why you said . zoneadm -z foo is making a new fs [07:10:02] <boyd> IOW, there is talk about mkdir mapping to zfs create [07:10:08] <boyd> bank: yes, I did [07:10:46] <boyd> bank: If zoneadm sees that /export/zones is a non-zfs FS it will mkdir, if it sees zfs is will zfs create [07:10:58] <boyd> s/zfs is/zfs it [07:11:00] <bank> ohhh [07:11:04] * boyd grabs a coffee [07:11:57] <bank> Nevada is now Nexenta? [07:12:09] <bank> Oh . no different distribution. [07:12:35] <bank> :D waiting for taste BrandZ [07:12:49] * boyd is too :) [07:15:51] <bank> erm.. I make a wrong name convention on db-zones01 (zfs) that mount to (wrong again) db-zones01 . so I mv db-zones01 db-zone01 [07:16:13] <bank> then .. df too see. zfs is use db-zones01 . How can I make change? [07:16:32] <bank> zfs rename [07:16:35] <bank> :P sorry. [07:16:52] <boyd> Yeah, that [07:20:44] *** Gman has quit IRC [07:23:29] *** Ober has quit IRC [07:23:35] <bank> boyd: Do you cheer for CX-310-200 exam? [07:24:22] <bank> I am scanning through the book. and I feel that .. it is ok.. [07:25:26] *** bank has quit IRC [07:27:19] <Error_404> i thought about getting an SCSA.... [07:27:26] <Error_404> decided it's not really worth it [07:28:08] <Error_404> http://www.google.com/codesearch [07:28:16] <Error_404> google's invented opengrok [07:36:19] *** tsoome has quit IRC [07:36:20] <Error_404> and i use "invented" in the same sense as Apple's "innovations" [07:36:31] *** Teltariat has quit IRC [07:37:29] <Error_404> which is to say, "apple couldn't innovate their way out of a wet paper bag, but the paper bag will sure be trendy & shiny when they're done with it" [07:39:10] <snez> dude, what are you talking about [07:39:39] <Error_404> all sorts of things [07:42:22] <boyd> Error_404 is bitter about apple [07:42:33] <Error_404> not apple [07:42:36] <Error_404> apple users [07:42:59] * boyd wonders whether just making a product that is usable and just works could be considered innovation enough. [07:43:20] <Error_404> sometimes i get that when when i dig through flickr & see page after page of apple products [07:43:43] <snez> ah! *enough* . That is the key word. [07:44:11] <Error_404> does it just work though is the thing? i've used macs before, they didn't "just work" they "just got in my way" half the time and "just failed to recognize simple hardware" the other half [07:44:51] <Error_404> and occasionally "just kernel panicked at random times" [07:44:55] <boyd> I guess it depends on your needs. The fact that you're on IRC means that you're not a typical user :) [07:45:45] <boyd> This laptop hasn't paniced since I got it in march. I could count the panics on my previous one of 3 years on one hand [07:45:46] <snez> and what does a typical user look like [07:45:56] *** ndroux has quit IRC [07:45:58] <boyd> Ellen Feiss [07:46:12] <boyd> :) [07:46:17] <Error_404> lol [07:46:55] <snez> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/Screenshots%2520Funstuff/ellen_feiss1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/Screenshots%2520Funstuff/page_01.htm&h=354&w=595&sz=59&hl=en&sig2=vfi138OF7t0j5-tcVzuRAQ&start=3&tbnid=vZlK13vCq0AkzM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=135&ei=N5wkRfv5LZm6ReXb6Ss&prev=/images%3Fq%3DEllen%2BFeiss%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG [07:46:56] <snez> ? [07:47:39] <Error_404> but don't get me wrong... when i have to share a workstation with a computer illiterate, i prefer macs over windows... but that's because of UNIX... the "just works" mantra makes as much sense on windows as it does on mac [07:47:59] <Error_404> and macs are by no means more "innovative" than windows [07:48:22] <Error_404> apple steals from other OSes all the time [07:49:44] <snez> hey Error_404, what do you think about Sun proclaiming that Solaris 10 is the most advanced OS in the world and all [07:49:52] * boyd half typed a response and then decided he didn't have the energy to continue. [07:51:20] <Error_404> snez: that's marketing as well [07:51:46] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [07:51:48] <snez> shame on them! :P [07:54:06] <bank> :o [07:55:39] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [07:57:33] *** ShadowHntr has quit IRC [08:00:38] <bank> in each local zone that live on zfs, Do I need to create a zfs in each local zone? [08:01:00] <bank> for ex. /export in local-zone. that live on zfs in /export/zones on pool in global-zone [08:01:17] <jamesd_> bank, you can use clones of the original zfs filesystem/snapshot [08:01:44] *** NilsAN has quit IRC [08:02:22] *** karrotx has quit IRC [08:02:25] *** NilsAN has joined #opensolaris [08:04:05] <bank> err.. why clones? [08:04:53] <bank> zfs clone tank/solaris@monday tank/ws/lori/fix it looklike clone some snapeshot to create the need [08:04:58] <jamesd_> bank, because they are read/write copies of the original zone and use a lot less disk space than full zone. [08:05:55] <bank> sorr7 out to lunch boss comming;brb [08:06:21] <snez> on sun's website it mentions about all those benefits of switching to open source, but what made them switch their minds in the first place? did they change management or something? [08:12:09] <dwc-> in some senses, they were losing market share in both other commercial unixes, and free unix-like operating sytems [08:13:20] <snez> well, i will accept that as a sensible reason [08:13:46] <snez> but is it the only reason [08:14:31] <trygvis> it shows the marked that they're into making good, kick ass hardware [08:14:51] <trygvis> most (if not all) of the amd-based machines can run solaris, linux and windows [08:16:30] <snez> well i'm glad i can now check that out myself :) [08:17:30] <dwc-> I don't thinkt here's ever an "only reason" [08:17:32] <snez> i mean, i have been on windows for the past 6 years and suddenly this alien OS called Solaris is finally available to people that cannot afford it [08:17:52] <dwc-> solaris was 'free' for personal use [08:18:38] <snez> it was not free enough for me [08:18:48] <dwc-> well, windows wasn't either [08:18:52] <dwc-> and you mentioned cost [08:19:24] <snez> who says i pay for anything windows :P [08:19:36] <dwc-> well, you wouldn't have paid anything for solaris either [08:21:09] <snez> well at that time, you would find the needed functionality easier on other *ix [08:21:43] <dwc-> if you're talking about a desktop, I think that's arguably still the case [08:22:11] <snez> nope [08:22:25] <snez> i'm a bit oldskool [08:23:27] <snez> desktop & multimedia usage was always in favor of windows [08:23:57] <snez> *ix were always good for research, programming testbench, stable services and networking [08:25:22] <kleppari> I disagree. [08:25:40] <dwc-> SGI [08:25:47] <kleppari> well, I also think that to be considered "computer literate" you also must know some fundamentals of programming :P [08:26:00] <snez> i find sgi to be overrated [08:26:08] <dwc-> it certainly is these days [08:26:17] <kleppari> SGI is dead.. a shame.. [08:26:30] <kleppari> they used to make some pretty cool stuff [08:27:21] <dwc-> indeed [08:27:37] * kirma has couple dozen O2s, couple O200s and O2000s waiting to find some use [08:27:48] <kleppari> kirma, can IRIX do clustering? [08:28:08] <kirma> on several levels [08:28:53] <kirma> not really too sensible with ~200 MHz CPUs, even if I have 50 of them. [08:30:15] <hile_> bah, insomnia = bad [08:30:19] *** slowhog has quit IRC [08:30:22] * boyd remembers running mandelspawn on ~40 decstations at uni, only to find that his 486/50 was faster [08:31:24] <kleppari> mandelspawn? [08:31:40] <kleppari> kirma, who was talking sensible? :) [08:31:59] <kirma> shame I got half an hour too late to get that 528 CPU Cray T3E from supercomputing center couple years ago [08:32:05] <boyd> It was a distributed fractal drawer. When people still did that [08:32:27] <kirma> when it was scrapped it was still well on top 100 of supercomputers [08:34:01] <snez> <phrakture> it also needs a /*this prevents threading errors I was getting*/ sleep(50); [08:34:15] <kleppari> heh [08:34:20] <kirma> ehm [08:34:39] <kleppari> prevents or postpones? :) [08:36:47] <kleppari> boyd, how large of a set did you supply? [08:37:14] <boyd> Holy crap I don't remember, it was like 15 years ago [08:37:40] <kleppari> just seems weird that your 486 was faster :P [08:37:43] <kleppari> it shouldn't have been... [08:38:14] * hile_ notes for the record that insomnia sucks [08:38:21] <hile_> and i mean the inability to sleep :-P [08:38:34] <boyd> I agree... but those machines were significantly underpowered. Often had noticeable cursor and typing lag [08:38:39] <boyd> hile_: Hmmm [08:39:12] <boyd> 15 years. /me feels old :) [08:39:33] <kleppari> <- 19 :P [08:40:08] <boyd> ? [08:40:14] <kirma> I have some 100 PCs and couple dozen Suns at work, some 200 cores in total... could do some serious distributed computing with those, but who cares about such things for personal satisfaction any more? [08:40:25] <asyd> \_o< [08:40:28] <kleppari> o/ [08:40:39] <boyd> \/ [08:41:10] <snez> kirma: you should contribute! www.coregrid.org [08:42:22] <kirma> I rather leave that to the campus supercomputing center [08:42:27] *** dunc has quit IRC [08:42:40] <bank> hello jamesd_ [08:45:23] *** jbalint has quit IRC [08:46:56] <bank> please let me again. I create a pool called "pool" and zfs create /export/zones then I zonecfg create the zones on it. in each local zones. if I woule to do something like to zfs create again? umm. Do I need to do that? for Do I need to zfs create for each sub directory in each local zones for ex. /export/zones/jboss [08:47:52] <bank> (to get benefit like snapshot on jboss) [08:49:15] <mlh_> I suggest that you don't call a pool 'pool' for obvious reasons [08:50:01] <bank> ok ... I will rename that.. [08:52:45] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [08:53:27] <bank> mih_: so.. Do I need to create sub zfs in local-zone if I need? [08:53:41] <bank> or it is implicitly. [08:58:48] <bank> It's seem that I need to create a pool again in local-zones [08:59:25] <bank> but i can't see any slices .. [09:00:12] <boyd> If you want to be able to create filesystems from within a zone you need to delegate a dataset to the zone. See add dataset in zonecfg. [09:00:15] * boyd has to go [09:00:28] <bank> ok, i wil ltry that boyd [09:05:26] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [09:09:25] *** bank has quit IRC [09:13:37] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [09:18:36] *** libkeiser has joined #opensolaris [09:29:02] <sickness> morning all [09:29:08] <trygvis> hei [09:29:21] <bank__> What is different between Adding File System , and delegates datasets ( to non-global zone) [09:29:25] <bank__> hi sickness. [09:30:09] <sickness> bank__: I think that by delegating, you let the root inside the zone to use zfs list / create and so on (correct my if I'm wrong) [09:30:34] <bank__> I do add dataset [09:30:37] <sickness> if you simply add a filesystem, instead, being it ufs or zfs, you simply add that filespace [09:30:41] <bank__> and end then exit. [09:30:44] <sickness> but maybe I'm wrong [09:30:54] <bank__> do I need to do something like verify commit ? [09:31:12] <bank__> I feel I didn't get the pool [09:31:18] <sickness> uhm [09:31:25] <sickness> wait a sec [09:31:52] <sickness> http://www.cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=755 [09:31:57] <sickness> look at this article [09:32:09] <sickness> there are useful examples inside! :) [09:35:47] <bank__> I got Cannot set a resource-specific property from the global scope. [09:37:32] <bank__> sorry I will googling [09:39:29] <bank__> er mm.. I got A dataset resource with the name 'pool/zones/service-zone01' already exists [09:39:46] <bank__> What does it mean ? I already create this via zfs create , [09:39:55] <bank__> but I want to use zfs in local-zone. [09:40:47] <bank__> or I need to create another zfs subdir.. [09:41:51] *** jbalint has joined #opensolaris [09:49:11] <bank__> it doesn't know pool. is that to add Adding File Systems first ? then set dataset . [09:53:05] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [10:05:05] *** jmcp has joined #opensolaris [10:05:55] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [10:10:07] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:53] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:25:07] * jmcp dines [10:25:15] <twincest> hey jm [10:26:51] * quasi is downloading a certain beta dvd - how bloody inconvenient that I also need to do work today ;) [10:27:45] <asyd> hello quasi [10:27:52] <quasi> hey asyd [10:29:46] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [10:32:52] <bank__> err... [10:33:21] <bank__> I am currently try to add dataset to non-globalzone ... I think I miss understand somethings. Now it said could not verify fs /export/shared: zfs 'pool/zones/service-zone01' mountpoint is not "legacy" [10:34:02] *** Dar_HOME is now known as Dar [10:34:31] <bank__> in the morning I create pool (pool) at /export , then zfs create pool/zones , follow by zfs create pool/zones/service-zone01 (/export/zones/service-zone01) [10:35:11] <bank__> Now I try to 1. add filesystem 2 .delegate dataset via zonecfg command . [10:35:16] *** |ReIkO| has joined #opensolaris [10:35:23] <|ReIkO|> morning all [10:35:35] <bank__> but it said could not verify fs /export/shared: zfs 'pool/zones/service-zone01' mountpoint is not "legacy" [10:35:48] <|ReIkO|> how can I fix -lssl not found? [10:36:05] <bank__> (set special=pool/zones/service-zone01 , set dir=/export/shared ) [10:36:32] <tsoome> |ReIkO|: use -L and -R switches at link time [10:37:59] *** jwtodd has quit IRC [10:38:45] <|ReIkO|> tsoome gcc hasn't -L or -R [10:39:00] <asyd> ahah [10:39:16] <tsoome> |ReIkO|: read the manual again [10:39:19] <|ReIkO|> it's asyd time [10:39:21] <asyd> :) [10:39:41] <asyd> ok, back to my work, writing doc.. [10:40:51] <bank__> _ _ [10:40:59] <Xh4> Solaris/OpenSolaris runs on Intel Core Duos? [10:42:17] <tsoome> why not? [10:43:10] <Xh4> Exactly. :p [10:43:22] <Xh4> Thanks. :) [10:43:22] <Xh4> :p [10:45:20] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [10:45:34] <|ReIkO|> Xh4 I have solaris on Asus Notebook Dual Core [10:45:56] <Xh4> |ReIkO|, how's the ACPI/battery stuff? [10:46:20] <|ReIkO|> drivers needed [10:46:32] <|ReIkO|> you must install manually [10:46:59] <Xh4> But how is it? [10:47:27] <|ReIkO|> somewhere in control pannel [10:47:52] <|ReIkO|> tsoome gcc -L/opt/csw/include/ client.c -o client -lssl [10:47:55] <|ReIkO|> doesn't work [10:55:22] *** cormac_ has joined #opensolaris [10:57:44] <quasi> of course not [11:02:17] *** cormac__ has joined #opensolaris [11:04:12] <|ReIkO|> ah ok [11:04:15] <|ReIkO|> tnx quasi [11:08:55] *** cormac has quit IRC [11:10:32] <tsoome> use both -L *and* -R [11:14:26] <damienc> tsoome: -R is for runpath, to help the executable find the libraries when it launches. [11:14:37] <tsoome> indeed. [11:14:50] <tsoome> and it's a bad idea not to include this option... [11:15:16] <tsoome> unless you are asking for problems [11:15:27] <|ReIkO|> right tsoome [11:15:32] <damienc> debatable. We used to have the runpath pointing to an internal Sun dir [11:15:47] <damienc> in some gnome binaries (2.0). [11:17:11] <|ReIkO|> elwsewhere executable does find libraries [11:17:42] <tsoome> this is an extreme case. for average admin/user it's better if it's compiled in [11:18:05] <|ReIkO|> where is defined error() <--- linux style ? [11:18:22] <tsoome> man error [11:18:52] <tsoome> but, solaris is not linux, so forget your linux background and get a life;) [11:19:09] <|ReIkO|> yes I'm trying to port [11:19:11] <jengelh> get a life? [11:19:14] * jengelh exits #opensolaris [11:19:17] <bank__> get lfie? [11:19:19] * jengelh joins ##linux [11:19:20] <|ReIkO|> hauhuahauahuHUAHUA [11:19:39] * |ReIkO| join #windows and get killed [11:20:11] <bank__> how can I produce * bank xxx ? [11:20:34] <|ReIkO|> linux error("file and/or directory"); how translate in solaris? [11:20:35] <damienc> |RelkO| : I wonder if glib uses 'error'. If it does, you'd probably find the Solaris equivalent right beside it. [11:21:24] <damienc> man error returns nothing for me on Fedora Core2. [11:22:00] <tsoome> |ReIkO|: if you are using this error() then you should know what it will do and how to replace it if needed.... [11:22:07] <PerterB> |ReIkO|: what does it do? you could have a look at perror() ... [11:22:14] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [11:22:21] <|ReIkO|> perror [11:22:31] <damienc> |RelkO| : Do you have access to a Linux box? You could compile the file with '-E' (only run preprocessor) to see the definition [11:23:25] <|ReIkO|> perror works [11:23:42] <|ReIkO|> substitute error linux with perror solaris [11:24:28] * |ReIkO| it's time to coffe [11:24:35] <PerterB> and perror() is ANSI standard (or POSIX, I forget) so now your code is even more portable ;) [11:24:36] * |ReIkO| and smoke [11:24:51] <|ReIkO|> right [11:24:54] <|ReIkO|> see you later [11:24:57] <|ReIkO|> thanks all [11:27:08] <PerterB> It occurred to me earlier that my phone has more storage (and probably more RAM and CPU grunt) than my MTA [11:28:24] *** cormac_ has quit IRC [11:33:35] *** jamesd__ has joined #opensolaris [11:34:28] *** Drone has quit IRC [11:34:42] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC [11:35:03] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [11:35:16] *** golqm-noob has quit IRC [11:36:16] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [11:44:58] *** golqm-noob has joined #opensolaris [11:46:52] *** Odin- has quit IRC [12:00:36] *** bank__ has quit IRC [12:00:40] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [12:00:55] *** jwtodd has joined #opensolaris [12:08:27] *** elflord has joined #opensolaris [12:15:03] <|ReIkO|> Intel Pro 3945 is now supported? [12:17:48] *** Drone has quit IRC [12:18:31] *** Gman has quit IRC [12:19:18] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [12:19:34] <bank__> :'( [12:20:12] *** trs81 has quit IRC [12:21:44] <|ReIkO|> wireless [12:21:50] <|ReIkO|> device on my laptot [12:21:53] <|ReIkO|> device on my laptop [12:22:00] <bank__> I ever see the intel driver. [12:22:09] <bank__> I ever use on my laptop. [12:22:20] <bank__> when I very very very new to solaris [12:23:09] <bank__> I not sure at that time I success do wireless connection. or I connect to router that has DHCP ;P [12:23:17] *** Drone has quit IRC [12:25:01] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [12:25:58] <|ReIkO|> what driver do you use? [12:28:39] <bank__> Pro/Wireless 2x00 [12:28:48] <bank__> This may help http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ [12:29:33] <bank__> I think http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/iwi/ [12:30:11] <|ReIkO|> not works for me [12:30:20] <bank__> :O .. [12:30:47] <|ReIkO|> how change -bash-3.00# in -bash-3.00:/root# [12:30:54] <|ReIkO|> adding path in bash? [12:31:12] <bank__> err .. sorry . I am just a newbie .. [12:31:25] <|ReIkO|> no problem [12:31:50] <bank__> by the way, ReIk0 Do you ever use ZFS in non-global zone? add fs to non-global zone. [12:32:35] <bank__> I got this http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/8210 [12:33:29] <|ReIkO|> no I never tried ZFS [12:33:50] <bank__> ok/ [12:40:41] <bank__> so quiet .. [12:43:14] *** Drone has quit IRC [12:43:28] *** BeleniX has joined #opensolaris [12:44:40] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [12:45:03] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [12:45:24] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [12:47:14] <PerterB> bank__: I think you have to set the mountpount to legacy to use a zfs filesystem in a zone, eg zfs set mountpoint=legacy /export/zones/service-zone01 before you create the zone (search through the zfs manpage for "legacy" for an explanation) [12:48:02] <bank__> Oh thank you!! I will search now. [12:49:21] <bank__> Do you undesrtand why "legacy"? [12:49:34] *** Drone has quit IRC [12:50:32] <PerterB> yes... when a zfs mountpoint is set to legacy, then zfs no longer handles the mounting and it uses the old (eg legacy) vfstab method [12:51:25] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [12:51:45] <BeleniX> any idea if there is a way on opensoalris to know where the nic is in 1GB or 100MB (or less)? something parallel to ethtool in linux [12:52:01] <BeleniX> I tried to look at ndd /dev/e1000g \? [12:52:05] <BeleniX> but nothing [12:53:23] <bank__> PerterB, sorry I mean err.. Do you why do we need to use mountpoint=legacy for non-global zone? [12:55:47] <PerterB> BeleniX: annoyingly it varies a bit from NIC to NIC but "kstat e1000g" is a good starting point... There are several tools around that decode kstat info for multiple NICs, but I can't remember their names [12:56:18] <PerterB> bank__: no, I don't know why, presumably because the zone needs to control the mountpoint rather than zfs itself [12:58:31] <PerterB> BeleniX: oh, I keep forgetting "dladm show-link" in Solaris 10 and aboce [12:58:46] <PerterB> sorry, show-dev [12:59:24] <BeleniX> PerterB, thnks [13:00:28] *** kalif has joined #opensolaris [13:02:06] <bank__> cannot create ZFS dataset pool/zones/service-zone01: dataset already exists [13:02:18] <bank__> ERROR: No such file or directory: cannot mount </export/zones/service-zone01/root/export/shared> in non-global zone to install: the source block device or directory <pool/zones/service-zone01> cannot be accessed [13:02:31] <bank__> Oh forgot to delegate. [13:02:35] <bank__> sorry wait a moment. [13:07:05] <bank__> PerterB: :'( [13:07:53] <bank__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/27387 [13:09:58] <bank__> I already add fs , dataset but http://paste.lisp.org/display/27388 [13:10:50] <PerterB> sorry, I'm no zones expert... [13:11:36] <bank__> Oh no. thank you for you help. [13:11:54] <bank__> thank you PerterB. [13:22:49] <bank__> He have the same problem as me > http://forum.sun.com/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=106267&tstart=0 [13:24:18] <PerterB> so you need to use "add dataset" instead? [13:25:33] <bank__> yes :D zone is installing. [13:25:36] <bank__> No need to add filessystem [13:26:27] <bank__> the docs state two step http://www.filibeto.org/~aduritz/truetrue/solaris10/zfsadminguide-html/p27.html [13:26:40] <bank__> 1.Adding File Systems 2. Delegating Datasets [13:26:55] <bank__> or it may ... independent [13:27:16] <bank__> by the way : thank you PerterB [13:27:35] <PerterB> you're welcome [13:27:35] <bank__> :D [13:29:45] *** gm152 has joined #opensolaris [13:31:39] *** calumb is now known as calLNCH [13:42:08] *** Drone has quit IRC [13:44:49] *** solarisjon has joined #opensolaris [13:46:04] *** Drone has joined #opensolaris [13:47:00] *** Xh4 has quit IRC [13:47:58] <jteo> hmm. i didn't know there was an append only ACL. [13:48:10] *** BeleniX has quit IRC [13:58:06] <sickness> I'm hungry but I'm so lazy, I'd have to peel the potatoes... [14:02:34] <libkeiser> ugh. an append only acl? that's really gotta suck from a multi-writer distributed cache coherency perspective... [14:03:43] *** gm152 has quit IRC [14:04:10] <jmcp> libkeiser: yeah [14:04:19] <jmcp> jteo: where did you pick up such a disgusting concept? [14:05:33] *** bank__ has quit IRC [14:06:30] <andersmo> jmcp: NFSv4 ACLs have an append only permission. [14:06:37] <jmcp> yuck [14:06:41] * jmcp mutters [14:06:57] <andersmo> Very useful for things like log files. [14:10:32] <jteo> i wrote code for a RFE, but i only have a vague idea for its use-case. ;) [14:13:11] *** solarisjon has left #opensolaris [14:13:16] * libkeiser mumbles something about kerberizing syslog... [14:13:52] *** solarisjon has joined #opensolaris [14:24:07] <richlowe> mornin' all. [14:28:19] <jteo> wb richlowe. [14:29:54] *** calLNCH has quit IRC [14:32:05] *** coffman has joined #opensolaris [14:36:26] *** laca has joined #opensolaris [14:39:50] <aliquis> May I just ask my regular stupid question? Has anyone else noticed that the whole gui/computer locks up for a while as soon as the hdd is used in Solaris? Might just be that this Via chipset is as much shit as all their other ones. (Using USB slows the whole machine down just as much in Windows aswell.) [14:40:15] <richlowe> which via chipset? [14:40:21] <richlowe> ... (assuming I can remember what's in this thing) [14:41:11] <tsoome> same happens with sun w2100 dual cpu workstation and scsi hdd.... [14:42:02] *** ProfMikey_ has joined #opensolaris [14:42:06] <PerterB> you're not using zfs on and ide drive by any chance? [14:42:16] <PerterB> s/and/an/ [14:42:24] <tsoome> in my case - no:) [14:42:55] <tsoome> single 146GB 10KRPM scsi as ordered with this workstation;) [14:44:25] *** Error_404 has quit IRC [14:44:47] *** vmm has joined #opensolaris [14:45:16] <vmm> hello [14:45:53] <PerterB> any chance you can glean anything by running lockstat -I to see where the kernel is wasting time during these slowdowns? Or are they too short? [14:47:38] *** ProfMikey_ has quit IRC [14:47:49] *** eboutilier has joined #opensolaris [14:49:36] <vmm> could anybody check an awk script on Solaris for me, please? [14:49:47] <vmm> script is here - http://rafb.net/paste/results/gDz9Yd95.html [14:50:19] <tsoome> as soon as disk is 100% busy, the slowdown is quite noticeable - and duration depends on how long the hdd is busy:) [14:50:43] <aliquis> richlowe: via kt800 or something [14:50:44] <vmm> to check it please use the following command: echo 'one two three four five six seven eight nine ten' | awk -f path/to/script [14:50:47] <aliquis> early amd64 socket 754 one [14:50:50] <aliquis> on msi crap motherboard [14:50:50] <tsoome> but it seems the effect is not so bad on b48 [14:51:18] <aliquis> when I use a memory card reader or digital camera even in Windows it locks down as much as Windows did back in the days when you used floppies [14:51:27] <aliquis> in Solaris the gui lags when the HDD is in use [14:51:42] <aliquis> and if I use three memory modules I can't run them in 400MHz but only in 333 ;) [14:51:49] <aliquis> via ftw! [14:52:11] <Stric> aliquis: I have a kt800 based s939 mobo with no such problems fyi [14:54:54] [14:54:57] <aliquis> gfksdgfjkfh [14:55:32] <aliquis> similair to this one: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=496 (i think it's neo2-fisr or something) [14:56:02] <Stric> 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8T800Pro Host Bridge [15:01:06] *** mrdeviant has joined #opensolaris [15:02:01] *** nwf has quit IRC [15:02:15] *** lloy0076 has joined #opensolaris [15:03:09] *** GreenHat has joined #opensolaris [15:04:11] <GreenHat> ndd -get /dev/e1000g0 max_num_rcv_packets returns 32 ; google for max_num_rcv_packets return 0 results [15:04:33] <GreenHat> what is this parameter ? max num of frames for second ? [15:04:42] <GreenHat> don' [15:04:47] <GreenHat> don't seem so [15:05:13] <GreenHat> is there such a parameter for other NIC ? any idea ? [15:05:15] <vmm> so folks, could you test mentioned code, please. It is used in pkgsrc as sites randomizator. [15:05:35] <vmm> The code is very small and quick to test [15:06:00] <GreenHat> I simply want to configure a NIAGRA machine which can send and receive with high load [15:06:24] <GreenHat> and I wonder if I should change this parameter (or others) [15:08:05] <GreenHat> however max I can set it is 1024 (1025 gives "invalid argument") [15:08:46] <PerterB> well, it can't possibly be frames per second because 32 would be insanely low [15:08:51] <andersmo> GreenHat: Don't tune anything you don't know that you need to tune. =) [15:09:32] <andersmo> Defaults are usually sane, and there's a not insignificant risk when changing parameters that you don't know anything about. =) [15:09:48] <andersmo> Chances are you'll hurt performance instead of improving it. =) [15:10:00] * PerterB nods [15:11:20] <GreenHat> andersmo, in a usual case it is true, I agree, but I am developing an advanced server which should be able to receive AND transmit 250,000 packets in a second [15:11:39] <GreenHat> I have 8 core t2000 [15:11:39] <lloy0076> Have you proven that the defaults DON'T deliver that performance? [15:12:02] <GreenHat> lloy0076, I am not reaching that performance BUT [15:12:30] <GreenHat> it could be that the stations that transmit are not able to do it in that rate ; I am checking it [15:12:43] *** blueone has joined #opensolaris [15:13:12] <GreenHat> lloy0076, does it seems that NIAGRA can bear 250,000 interrups per second ? [15:13:25] <GreenHat> well it is in fact also polling [15:13:41] *** laca is now known as lacaAFK [15:13:42] <GreenHat> because of that adaptive algorithm built-in in solaris [15:14:07] <lloy0076> GreenHat: I'd have no idea to be honest; I was just checking to see if you'd tried the defaults. [15:14:17] <lloy0076> GreenHat: Only because I'm good at fixing things that don't need to be fixed :) [15:14:29] <GreenHat> :) [15:16:22] *** blueone has quit IRC [15:16:30] <andersmo> colmmacc managed to get a T2000 to push more than 20K apache requests per second. Dunno how that translates to your application, though. =) [15:17:19] *** axisys has quit IRC [15:18:39] <lloy0076> andersmo: ...which means that if the requests were a count from 1 000 000 000 000 green bottles pages (i.e. each request said There'll be n-1 green bottles left should one accidentally fall), that machine would still take ~95 years to count to 0 bottles [15:18:49] *** |ReIkO| has quit IRC [15:19:53] <trygvis> andersmo: what kind of requests? [15:20:10] <andersmo> and the moral of the story is... that's a lot of bottles. =) [15:20:12] <andersmo> http://www.stdlib.net/~colmmacc/category/niagara/page/2/ [15:20:40] <GreenHat> andersmo, the receive queue is always the slow one [15:21:12] <GreenHat> so the question is : can it receive 250,000 packets in a sec without tuning anything ? [15:22:03] <andersmo> No frickin' clue. Can it receive 250,000 packets in one second with perfect tuning? =) [15:24:14] <GreenHat> I currently sniffing it (really with tcpdump...) [15:24:37] <GreenHat> in linux there is tx_queue_len but [15:24:44] <GreenHat> (for ifconfig) [15:24:56] <PerterB> depends how big the packets are... if they're ~ 1KB each then that's ~ 2.5 Gbit/sec so you're going to need link aggregation and some very good network hardware at the very least [15:25:43] <GreenHat> less than 1kb [15:25:46] <GreenHat> much less [15:25:51] <PerterB> GreenHat: Get ahold of the "Solaris Performance and Tools" book, it has a lot of information on network performance, how to measure delays, latencies, utilisation and such [15:26:41] <sickness> i'm back [15:27:02] <trygvis> the sickness is back! [15:27:05] <trygvis> <o> [15:27:13] <PerterB> "unclean" [15:27:35] <GreenHat> PerterB, I will look at it , thnks [15:28:35] <andersmo> GreenHat: http://www.spec.org/web2005/results/res2005q4/web2005-20051205-00018.html#Banking%20Notes - this is how sun configured the t2000 when they wanted to squeeze the maximum web (network) performance from it. Could be useful? [15:29:07] <PerterB> it covers a lot of the ip and tcp stuff you can measure with kstat, but not really anything on driver-specific tunables like max_num_rcv_packets (but as someone said, you probably don't want to mess with that anyway) [15:29:42] <trygvis> hm.. how do I list which processes that are claiming which tcp/ip ports? [15:29:43] <trygvis> lsof? [15:30:13] <asyd> yup [15:30:18] <PerterB> lsof -i [15:31:20] <trygvis> shibby, thanks [15:31:24] <GreenHat> andersmo, reading... [15:31:35] <trygvis> but isn't there a native solaris tool for it? [15:32:15] <PerterB> pfiles will list network connections too, in a less pretty way [15:32:18] <asyd> more or less [15:32:25] <andersmo> pfiles can look at single processes. [15:33:11] <PerterB> so... "cd /proc && pfiles *" ;) [15:33:40] <andersmo> throw in a grep and you're nearly there. ;) [15:33:47] *** svoboda has joined #opensolaris [15:34:04] <PerterB> awk, I think... it's annoying multi-line output [15:34:13] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [15:39:21] *** karrotx has quit IRC [15:42:07] <GreenHat> andersmo, ok, the NIC is ipge but still it can be relevant [15:42:11] <GreenHat> andersmo, I am working with udp, and there seens no parallel to out tcp_conn_req_max_q, tcp_conn_req_max_q0 [15:42:18] <GreenHat> but there is udp_recv_hiwat [15:44:58] <andersmo> GreenHat: no, there's no relevant parallel to anything dealing with queues of connections for a connectionless protocol like UDP. See http://www.sunmanagers.org/archives/1999/1527.html for an explanation of those parameters. =) [15:45:05] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [15:46:54] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [15:47:10] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [15:50:00] <GreenHat> andersmo, reading...reading... [15:50:55] <andersmo> GreenHat: googling all these parameters can probably keep you busy for a while =) [15:52:12] *** phearless has joined #opensolaris [15:55:17] <GreenHat> andersmo, I was sniffing and came to a conculsion that first I have to configure the sender side which is linux [15:55:20] <GreenHat> because [15:55:49] <GreenHat> when I send 50,000 packets from linux x86_64 to niagra [15:56:02] *** lloy0076 has quit IRC [15:56:15] <GreenHat> I see with a sniffer that there is a lost of about 30% [15:56:38] <GreenHat> I see it on the linux (sender) size [15:57:05] <GreenHat> and I am really afraid that this is imposiible to send 250,000 packets from x86_64 machine [15:57:17] <GreenHat> I must add theat with [15:57:30] *** bumm has joined #opensolaris [15:57:31] <GreenHat> that with 50,000 packets per sec from linux [15:57:53] <GreenHat> the CPU of linux is not more than 40% [15:58:07] <jteo> 250,000 packets per second > 1 gigbit per second? [15:58:26] <GreenHat> a moment [15:58:42] <bumm> a developer wants to check the contents of a directory on a machine, but I dont' want him to have a shell account. What's the best way to do it ? He wants to do this regularly. there is no FTP server, only SSH where he can use SFTP .. but SFTP does not work without a shell account. [15:58:58] <GreenHat> small packets, less than 200 Bytes [15:59:45] <GreenHat> it seems ok: [15:59:59] <mlh_> bumm: rssh [16:00:23] <GreenHat> 50000*180=9000000 [16:00:38] <GreenHat> which is 9MB ? am i not wrong here? [16:00:51] *** coffman has quit IRC [16:01:42] <PerterB> so about 100Mbit after you allow for overheads [16:02:24] <jteo> FireEngine can saturate a 1 gigabit connection with 1 opteron CPU, so I'm guessing the bottle neck is Linux's TCP/IP stack. [16:02:29] <GreenHat> In fact the only parameters I configured in linux are [16:02:39] <asyd> (or drivers maybe ?) [16:02:40] <jteo> (FireEngine is the TCP/IP engine in S10 and above) [16:02:41] <GreenHat> txqueuelen and /proc/sys/net/core/netdev_max_backlog [16:02:59] <richlowe> I'm not sure I agree, but it'd be worth testing it with a variety of endpoints, certainly. [16:03:31] <GreenHat> richlowe, you know what , I will test transmit from NIAGRA [16:03:52] <jteo> GreenHat: i hope your test is multithreaded. [16:03:55] <GreenHat> If it can send 50,000 up to 250,000 packets [16:04:00] <GreenHat> per second [16:04:13] <GreenHat> jteo, currently not [16:04:16] <GreenHat> BUT [16:04:33] <GreenHat> I don't know if it is a matter of CPU load [16:04:34] *** aska_ has joined #opensolaris [16:05:15] <GreenHat> because at least on linux the CPU load is not more then 40% with 50,000 packets [16:06:32] *** loke has joined #opensolaris [16:16:23] *** aska has quit IRC [16:19:45] *** stevel has quit IRC [16:21:12] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [16:21:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [16:22:00] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [16:24:35] <richlowe> stevel: osol.org's still up. Congrats :) [16:24:55] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [16:24:56] <jteo> richlowe: you'll jinx it i tell ya. [16:25:00] <dunc> :) [16:25:36] <dunc> anyone seen this? (made me giggle) http://www.fullduplex.org/humor/2006/10/how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-in-any-programming-language/ [16:30:14] <stevel> richlowe: good to know :) [16:34:26] <sickness> yeah funny :) [16:35:56] <quasi> he like vb a bit too much [16:36:06] *** vmm has left #opensolaris [16:36:11] <aliquis> yeah, seen it, like 10 years ago ;/ [16:36:14] <aliquis> ;) [16:40:23] <PerterB> at least :) but it still raises a smile [16:42:53] <quasi> aliquis: the python one seems new [16:43:12] <PerterB> and AJAX [16:43:17] <PerterB> (way down in the comments) [16:43:19] <dunc> oh i really like the python one too [16:43:38] <dunc> and javascript [16:43:46] <quasi> css seems to be pretty close to reality as well [16:43:52] <dunc> :) [16:44:25] *** cypromis has quit IRC [16:44:33] *** cypromis has joined #opensolaris [16:44:40] <elektronkind> never heard of 370 JCL before [16:44:53] <PerterB> mainframe batch language [16:46:39] <quasi> has anyone seen a tendency for recently patched 10 6/06 of not starting zones even if they have auto-boot set to true? [16:48:02] <elektronkind> whoa [16:48:03] <elektronkind> http://www.google.com/codesearch [16:48:09] <elektronkind> this must be new [16:51:47] <jteo> elektronkind: yes. [17:03:57] *** nwf has quit IRC [17:07:01] *** schily_ has joined #opensolaris [17:10:48] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [17:11:09] <asyd> codesearch is so funny to find poor coded php application [17:12:18] *** GreenHat has quit IRC [17:15:32] *** schily has quit IRC [17:18:05] *** jwtodd has quit IRC [17:19:37] *** piwi has quit IRC [17:21:33] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [17:32:16] *** eboutilier has quit IRC [17:33:34] *** galt has joined #opensolaris [17:36:22] <aliquis> most fun thing with that fullduplex article/blog entry/... is that it says: [17:36:23] <aliquis> Colophon [17:36:24] <aliquis> Powered by WordPress [17:36:26] <aliquis> fullduplex.org (c) 2001-2006. [17:36:28] <aliquis> All rights reserved. [17:36:30] <aliquis> Proper XHTML & CSS. [17:36:33] <aliquis> RSS Feed. 21 queries. 0.999 sec [17:36:49] <aliquis> but than that footer with meny is in the middle of the page over some other text in opera ;) [17:37:08] <aliquis> perfect css [17:38:08] <axisys> firefox starts extreme slow in sunray.. dtruss output here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/tp9vUu56.html shows lot of waits [17:42:11] *** svoboda has quit IRC [17:45:33] *** MattMan has quit IRC [17:46:00] <axisys> anyidea why waitsys at the bottom taking such an enormous amount of time? [17:46:53] *** AHG has joined #opensolaris [17:47:27] *** dduvall has quit IRC [17:47:42] <jamesd__> axisys, sounds like its waiting for an event to occur. [17:47:58] *** mage2 has joined #opensolaris [17:49:30] *** g4lt-mordant has quit IRC [17:50:53] <mage2> I installed the broadcom drivers on solaris 10, now i can not find where it reports the speed and duplex that its connected at [17:53:58] <mage2> any idea? [17:54:12] *** svoboda has joined #opensolaris [18:04:48] <mage2> hello [18:05:02] *** dduvall has joined #opensolaris [18:05:35] <jteo> mage2: ifconfig -a. [18:05:57] <axisys> quasi: how did u get the bios on x2100 to work with pxe again? [18:06:18] <stevel> website going down for hopefully only a minute or two [18:06:22] <stevel> famous last words i know [18:07:54] *** tsoome has quit IRC [18:09:12] <stevel> okay, should be back up now [18:09:27] <kalif> has anybody tried to compile opensolaris in a vmware session [18:09:34] <kalif> it seems to take forever [18:10:16] <richlowe> gisburn does, I think, for some reason. [18:10:21] <richlowe> and yeah, he complains it takes forever, too. [18:10:44] <kalif> time to find the old Ultra 30 i guess :) [18:10:57] <richlowe> that may not be so much faster. [18:10:58] <mage2> ifconfig does not show duplex or speed [18:11:01] <richlowe> (depending on how long "forever" is) [18:11:13] <asyd> mage2: man ndd [18:11:24] <kalif> probabaly not, but much more fun :) [18:11:40] <richlowe> asyd, mage2: dladm show-dev [18:12:24] <asyd> nice [18:12:25] <mage2> i have used ndd. when i changed to the broadcom drivers ndd doesnt know that module [18:12:32] <asyd> first time I heard about this one [18:12:40] <mage2> dladm doesnt show it either [18:12:43] <mage2> tried all these :) [18:12:52] <richlowe> asyd: it doesn't always give the full information with non-nemo nics. [18:13:01] <stevel> don't the kstats show that info? [18:13:02] <richlowe> eri gives me everything, rtls can't show me duplex or link. [18:13:02] <mage2> bash-3.00# dladm show-dev [18:13:02] <mage2> dladm: kstat value failed [18:13:02] <mage2> bcme0 link: unknown speed: 0 Mbps duplex: unknown [18:13:02] <mage2> dladm: kstat value failed [18:13:02] <mage2> bcme1 link: unknown speed: 0 Mbps duplex: unknown [18:13:03] <mage2> bash-3.00# [18:13:05] <mage2> thats what i get [18:13:08] <richlowe> stevel: that's how dladm gets them. [18:13:12] <stevel> ah [18:13:14] <richlowe> (for non-nemo nics) [18:13:15] <stevel> nevermind then [18:13:16] <stevel> :) [18:13:59] <mage2> sorry for flooding the room heh [18:14:05] <mage2> its getting frustrating [18:14:20] <mage2> any other ideas ? [18:16:29] *** ndroux has joined #opensolaris [18:16:44] <jteo> correct me if i'm worng, but if the driver doesn't implement it, then we don't get to see it yet? [18:16:47] <jteo> *yes [18:19:19] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [18:21:40] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [18:30:50] *** xanatos_ has joined #opensolaris [18:30:53] <xanatos_> hello [18:34:51] <xanatos_> I would like install opensolars but I'm reading and see opensolaris need to install with an other installation, wich one do they recommend [18:35:42] <sickness> install with an other installation?!? [18:35:54] <sickness> you can install from the bootlable iso [18:36:29] <sickness> being that the "main" distro (sx:cr aka nevada) or one of the other distros like schillix nexenta belenix [18:37:07] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:40:03] <xanatos_> yes [18:40:54] <xanatos_> I'm see with Solaris Express NexentaOS [18:40:58] <xanatos_> and others [18:43:12] <xanatos_> I would like install opensolaris in a ultrasparc server 480 [18:45:29] *** mage2 has quit IRC [18:45:39] *** damienc has quit IRC [18:45:53] <delewis> then choose a SPARC, OpenSolaris-based distribution [18:45:58] <delewis> Solaris Express is one [18:46:07] <sickness> oh is martux the only one [18:46:08] <sickness> maybe [18:46:40] <sickness> even if I read that the other should go on sparc too, in the time... [18:49:34] *** VRZS has joined #opensolaris [18:49:48] *** VRZS is now known as Xh4 [18:50:03] <xanatos_> hoo [18:50:24] <Xh4> :o [18:51:04] <xanatos_> and opensolaris is a good distro??? [18:51:13] <Xh4> Looks like it. [18:51:15] <asyd> it's not a distro [18:51:21] <Xh4> Well yeah. [18:51:24] <Xh4> It's a kernel. [18:51:27] <Xh4> Or something. [18:52:09] <xanatos_> good [18:52:25] <xanatos_> you'r running opensolaris in sparc?? [18:52:38] *** loke has quit IRC [18:53:13] <jteo> http://whacked.net/2005/06/21/confused-so-was-i/ [18:56:48] *** calumb has quit IRC [18:56:55] <xanatos_> good now I download martux to check and solaris express :P [18:58:11] <Xh4> Linsux is for losers. [18:58:41] <stevel> ugh. okay, i've had enough of that URL. [18:58:45] <stevel> http://whacked.net/what_is_opensolaris [18:58:50] <stevel> that's probably a better one [18:58:59] <stevel> (just a redirect) [18:59:26] <sickness> yeah maybe something like that should be put on opensolaris.org too, otherwise one has no way to figure it out if not coming on irc =) [18:59:26] *** calumb has joined #opensolaris [18:59:56] *** stevel changes topic to "OpenSolaris.org | Latest ON Build: 49 | Download latest build & nightly: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ | SXCR: 48 | Wiki: http://www.genunix.org/wiki/ | Channel Log: http://www.uwyn.com/drone/log/bevinbot/opensolaris/ | http://whacked.net/what_is_opensolaris" [19:02:25] <xanatos_> what do you think about solaris 10 ?? [19:02:41] *** trs81 has joined #opensolaris [19:03:25] <sickness> I enjoy sx:cr so much that I'd never go "back" to solaris10 :P [19:03:47] <sickness> having all the new features and fixes every 2 weeks is too handy :P [19:04:12] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [19:04:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [19:04:23] *** peteh has quit IRC [19:04:34] <aliquis> anyone built kde 3.5.x in solaris? [19:04:47] <stevel> aliquis: steleman [19:04:54] <stevel> brb. testing new entry message [19:04:56] *** stevel has left #opensolaris [19:05:01] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [19:05:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [19:06:30] *** stevel changes topic to "Latest releases: SXCR: 49, ON build: 49, ON nightly: 20061002" [19:07:32] <xanatos_> what do you to recommend me to install in a ultra sparc 480 server?? [19:07:48] <asyd> solaris ? :) [19:07:59] <cypromis> in ? [19:08:13] <xanatos_> yes I was installing solaris 10 [19:08:28] <sickness> I'd put latest sx:cr b49 on it :P [19:08:29] <sickness> ghgh [19:08:44] <sickness> (only if it's testing/desktop and so on, not for production) [19:09:41] <xanatos_> no this is for production [19:11:51] <sickness> oh so maybe solaris10 is more indicated... [19:12:12] <sickness> like 6/06 or the one that's just coming out [19:12:15] <sickness> u4 [19:14:10] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [19:14:28] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [19:14:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [19:18:09] *** Error_404 has joined #opensolaris [19:18:43] <quasi> sickness: "u4" is not till next year [19:18:59] <quasi> 6/06 was "u2" [19:19:25] <elektronkind> u2 is 11/06 [19:19:28] <elektronkind> er u3 [19:21:32] <quasi> yeah [19:22:45] <asyd> I wonder what will be exactly the "network layer 7 cache" feature in u3 [19:23:04] <jengelh> Codename for Squid. [19:23:16] <jengelh> ;) [19:24:37] <quasi> asyd: isn't mentioned on the "what's new" page for 11/06 [19:24:40] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [19:24:52] <bank> hello... [19:24:53] <asyd> quasi: it's on benr blog [19:24:57] *** dunc has quit IRC [19:25:02] <bank> i feell durck [19:25:03] *** nwf has quit IRC [19:25:06] <bank> durskck [19:25:11] <bank> drunk [19:26:08] <quasi> asyd: yeah, I see that - I just don't see it in my 11/06 beta ;) [19:26:26] <asyd> ok [19:26:39] <asyd> you signed a NDA for the u3 ? [19:27:44] <quasi> something like that [19:28:13] <xinkeT> has anyone experienced problems with b49 and samba (specifically, locking issues) [19:32:19] *** bank is now known as bank__ [19:33:27] <bank__> b49 ? [19:34:35] <jengelh> Solaris kernel gurus here? It looks to me like it does not support per-fd close functions at all! [19:44:16] <ProfMikey> a little OT: is there any other way than VRFY and EXPN to check if the reciepment addres is valid? (want to ensure my smtp configuration is safe) [19:48:05] *** slowhog has quit IRC [19:49:50] <asyd> ProfMikey: try to deliver a mail ? :p [19:49:54] <sickness> quasi: oh, you right =) [19:51:40] <axisys> what is sys-unconfig euivalent in non-global zone? [19:53:01] <ProfMikey> asyd: err...just want to ensure its not so easy to learn about the system accounts [19:53:11] <asyd> "system accounts" ? [19:53:41] <ProfMikey> yeah...accounts on the system [19:53:46] <asyd> commands to send a little mail : helo .. , mail from:<..> ; rcpt to: <..> ; data ; ... . [19:53:59] <ProfMikey> yeah yeah [19:54:21] <ProfMikey> ok...once agian...looks like I am having a BRAINCRAMP or such [19:55:33] <quasi> asyd: is there no sys-unconfig in local zones? [19:56:16] <asyd> it's for axisys :) [19:56:36] <quasi> agh, nick completion [19:56:43] <ProfMikey> but I dont think anyone will try to deliver a mail to every account that he can generate I'll track him down pretty fast, what I actually had on mind is the method that work simillar to VRFY or even better that shows all the valid rcpts [19:57:10] <quasi> axisys: /usr/sbin/sys-unconfig exists in local zones on the box I'm looking at now [19:57:11] <ProfMikey> do I make myslef clar? [19:57:16] <ProfMikey> or not yet [19:58:05] <dwc-> I've actually got expn adn vrfy restricted to local subnet ... and spitting a warning if other people are trying it [19:58:17] <dwc-> the logs are remarkably quiet [19:58:33] <dwc-> since it's just as fast these days to just try to deliver mail than it is to check to see if it exists first [19:58:52] <dwc-> and I think everyone just expects it to be off [19:59:11] <dwc-> so nobody tries it anymore [20:00:26] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [20:00:31] <ProfMikey> ok, this clears things up a little, thanks [20:01:22] <axisys> quasi: ok [20:01:55] <axisys> quasi: while i still have ur attention.. how did u get the bios working with pxe on x2100? [20:02:10] <ProfMikey> probably I can turn off this 'no such mailbox' reply, which will be againt RFC I guess...but...anyway [20:02:31] <quasi> axisys: I didn't [20:03:03] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [20:03:41] <quasi> axisys: what I did make sure was that there was no os, so that it tried to pxe boot after failing disc and cd [20:03:48] <axisys> hell``: on bind zone, a non-global zone, what is recommended share of cpu be used if using FSS? [20:04:06] <axisys> quasi: ok [20:04:34] <quasi> axisys: not that it quite worked as planned [20:04:38] <axisys> but i get cable error.. may be something in bios i have not enabled [20:04:53] <quasi> try the other if [20:05:14] <axisys> i am using the nge0 .. i know it works [20:05:26] <quasi> and I'm sure it is described in the man - I just didn't have the time to fiddle [20:05:26] <axisys> if i install w/ cdrom [20:06:55] <axisys> i have two cpus on x2100.. can i use both cpus for non-global ? while only one of them for global ? [20:10:03] <axisys> now if i do not setup a container all zones share all cpus correct? [20:11:23] <s3tup> somebody call me ? [20:12:09] <dwc-> 11:02 < ProfMikey> probably I can turn off this 'no such mailbox' reply, which will be againt RFC I guess...but...anyway [20:12:23] <dwc-> there's a code for "unable to validate -- neither yes nor no" [20:14:47] *** calumb has quit IRC [20:19:30] *** Arnald has joined #opensolaris [20:26:33] *** AHG has quit IRC [20:38:22] *** mkhl has joined #opensolaris [20:47:21] *** Cybernd has joined #opensolaris [20:48:23] *** jwtodd has joined #opensolaris [20:50:19] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [21:04:10] *** clee has quit IRC [21:04:34] *** clee has joined #opensolaris [21:07:23] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [21:12:47] *** bengtf has joined #opensolaris [21:17:04] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [21:19:11] *** Yamaraj has joined #opensolaris [21:39:11] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [21:39:38] <_william_> hi all [21:58:51] *** Martin__ has joined #opensolaris [22:03:53] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC [22:04:41] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [22:04:52] <jbalint> hey _william_ [22:05:21] *** Martin__ has quit IRC [22:05:44] <_william_> hi jbalint , how are you ? [22:06:09] <jbalint> Ok, trying to see if dtterm is a viable option for unicode terminal over putty. [22:06:13] <jbalint> You? [22:06:49] <delewis> dtterm and rest of CDE is perfect for Unicode. [22:07:00] <delewis> the* [22:07:17] <jbalint> delewis: I know, but as far as usage, fonts, etc. I am pretty big fan of the putty default font. [22:09:40] <_william_> fine jbalint , trying to finish a few things before start to read my solaris internal i just received, and try to compile kernel for my PPC box :) [22:16:27] *** solarisjon has quit IRC [22:22:40] <sickness> I'm a *great* fan of termius-font [22:22:54] <sickness> it's a shame that it's only available/easilyinstallable with nexenta [22:23:15] <sickness> with early solaris10 a simple install of the sources would work [22:23:39] <sickness> now with latest nevada builds Xorg doesn't seem to like it, it works in gnome, but no way in X programs like xterm and so on... [22:24:16] <Debolaz> Aka the reason why packaging system matters, despite what has previously been said in here. :) [22:24:32] <xinkeT> it's not a shame, it just means you should support nexenta [22:24:37] *** bhall has quit IRC [22:26:05] <richlowe> That, more than likely, has absolutely nothing to do with packaging. [22:34:42] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [22:36:15] *** deedaw has joined #opensolaris [22:37:04] <hell``> the alternate thread library is in standard libs now in Solaris 10? [22:37:10] <hell``> it still has /usr/lib/lwp though [22:37:29] <richlowe> Yes, and for compatibility. [22:38:06] <hell``> so say i am running weblogic using default paths, i shouldnt have to set to use /usr/lib/lwp to use it correct? [22:39:50] <dwc-> nope [22:40:12] <dwc-> note everything in /usr/lib/lwp links to the regular stuff back out in /usr/lib [22:41:08] <dwc-> hey... the topic got shorter [22:41:33] <twincest> oh, the anti-useful-topic lobby won :-( [22:43:18] <Error_404> useful? 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