October 4, 2006 
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October 4, 2006 [00:00:06] <elektronkind> s/block/blog [00:01:16] <elektronkind> takes a lot of fd's to cross the threshold according to his graphs [00:01:17] <elektronkind> http://blogs.sun.com/dap/entry/event_ports_and_performance_take [00:01:50] <elektronkind> 2.5k fd's is still a lot [00:02:19] <axisys> tsoome: it is looking for libplc4.so which does not come with the download [00:02:54] <tsoome> it's in /usr/lib/mps [00:03:05] <tsoome> but I don't know about s8... [00:03:52] <tsoome> anyhow, you can use certutil in more recent system and just copy a data between systems... [00:05:49] <axisys> tsoome: excellent idea [00:06:00] <axisys> i will just copy it over to my sol 10 u2 [00:06:09] <tsoome> I did create key and cert and csr with openssl, thawte signed it and I imported all this into JES.... [00:06:25] <tsoome> it was fun;) [00:07:33] <axisys> tsoome: cool.. may be i can save thesteps from u and learn one or two about how to play with certificates [00:07:48] <axisys> check this out sol 10 u2 has certutil already [00:08:46] <axisys> tsoome: yeap [00:08:55] <trygvis> is a pool with two vdevs like a raid0/jbod thing? [00:08:58] <tsoome> ok time to go to sleep.... [00:09:27] <axisys> tsoome: how do i use certutil to check info on my cert7.db.. --help has waaay to may options [00:10:19] <tsoome> they have list or similar option... [00:11:05] <Doc> hrmmm [00:12:43] <Gman> blah, 6 years working on gnome, i still can't figure gdm out. [00:14:17] <Doc> 16 years working on computers, i still can't figure gnome out! [00:14:33] <Gman> heh [00:15:17] <Auralis> no, you used computers to much [00:16:19] <Error_404> they removed the "ability to figgure it out" feature a few revisions back [00:16:22] <Error_404> it was confusing users [00:17:19] *** schily has joined #opensolaris [00:18:49] <Error_404> heh... gnome... [00:19:15] <PerterB> almsot 20 years working on computers and I have never had the slightest interest in figuring gnome out [00:19:20] <axisys> i have two users with jds failing to bring their gnome-panel back on [00:19:35] <Doc> perterb: that's largely the reason i dont understand it - never tried [00:19:41] <axisys> axisys: removed all .dt* .gnome* .gcon* and still no luck [00:19:41] <Tpenta> change your theme to anything but nimbus [00:19:41] <PerterB> mv /etc/rc2.S/99dtlogin /etc/rc2.d/_S99login && echo Sorted [00:20:05] <Tpenta> gotta go, hopefully back within an hour [00:20:09] <PerterB> Doc: ah, for once we agree then [00:20:10] <axisys> sunray users with jds in my case [00:20:22] <hile_> Doc: you still use CDE? [00:20:32] <axisys> not sure what i can do as a sysadmin short of creating a new home dir [00:20:48] *** axisys has quit IRC [00:20:59] <hile_> axisys: ask Gman [00:20:59] <Doc> hile: yes [00:21:05] <Gman> too late ;) [00:21:13] *** Cybernd has quit IRC [00:21:19] <hile_> Doc:as do I [00:22:55] *** danmorg has joined #opensolaris [00:28:53] <alanc> surprised gisburn hasn't signed the open source CDE petition yet ( http://www.petitiononline.com/opencde/petition.html ) [00:29:56] <hile_> you should expect that from me, alan :) [00:30:13] * Gman was going to sign it, but then didn't want to get resources pulled away from jds [00:30:21] <delewis> hile_: did you see my signature? :-) [00:30:39] <alanc> they're actually asking the Open Group, not Sun, so it wouldn't involve Sun resources [00:31:09] <Gman> yeah, but i'm sure sun would have to get involved sometime [00:31:10] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [00:31:25] <delewis> as CDE was a distributed effort between Sun/HP/Open Group, yeah. [00:31:30] <delewis> well parts of CDE, anyhow. [00:31:33] <alanc> we'd have to give our blessing [00:31:36] * Gman curses gdm. [00:31:42] <delewis> oh, and IBM :-) [00:31:42] <Gman> and our code [00:31:52] <Gman> and check our code wasn't stolen from somewhere else accidently [00:31:54] <delewis> well, maybe it'd just be easier to get the base CDE [00:31:57] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [00:31:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [00:32:02] <delewis> which I assume is owned by the Open Group [00:32:09] <alanc> (and actually, I don't even know if the Open Group gets a vote or it's all up to the original sponsors) [00:32:18] <delewis> no add-ons, like Workspace Manager or ToolTalk [00:32:33] <elektronkind> ugh tooltalk [00:32:55] <sommerfeld> ugh, petitionsonline [00:33:39] <tarzeau> PerterB: and NeXTSTEP? [00:33:44] <alanc> you'ld be surprised how few CDE files actually have a Open Group copyright notice - they're mostly one or more of the sponsors (Sun, IBM, HP, USL/Novell, DEC, etc.) [00:34:00] <PerterB> tarzeau: what about it? [00:34:01] <delewis> I would imagine HP has most of it [00:34:10] <tarzeau> PerterB: were you interested in that, ever? [00:34:12] <jmcp> dammit I just want to sit here and write code all day, but I have to go to work [00:34:19] <PerterB> very much so [00:34:22] *** Deather__ is now known as deather [00:34:39] <tarzeau> PerterB: did you use any lighthouse design applications? [00:35:08] <PerterB> nah, I could never justify owning a NeXT when they were still current [00:35:24] <tarzeau> i see, and probably by now you're not interested anymore [00:35:27] * delewis ran OpenSTEP on i586 [00:35:32] <tarzeau> delewis: i still do :) [00:35:37] <tarzeau> delewis: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ [00:35:50] <PerterB> I've been known to write bits and bobs for OSX which is basically the same toolkit [00:36:10] <tarzeau> PerterB: what kind of bits and bobs did you write? [00:36:32] <tarzeau> PerterB: and do you have an idea if/where the lighthouse design software sources are anywhere in sun.com ? [00:38:04] <PerterB> some stuff for talking USB to minidisc players that never got finished (very undocumented and part encrypted protocol so we didn't get to far) and I have no idea about sun.com [00:41:24] <alanc> I think the only thing we still have from lighthouse at Sun is Jonathan Schwartz [00:41:27] <elektronkind> PerterB: talking about the sony magicgate crap ? [00:42:18] *** koolniczka has quit IRC [00:45:32] *** solarisjon has quit IRC [00:45:54] <PerterB> elektronkind: kind of... it was a bit of a reverse engineering exercise but it looks like when PCs transfer ATRAC data to minidisc players, the USB transfers are encrypted using similar crypto to magicgate, which makes it pretty hard to duplicate the functionality [00:46:41] <PerterB> simpler functions (rename tracks, play, stop etc) are unencrypted but also undocumented, but reproducible [00:47:34] <PerterB> last release of my stuff I did is at http://www.sorted.org/Xmd/ (wow, was it really 4 years ago?) but there is a newer version on my craptop I kept meaning to merge in [00:48:52] <elektronkind> PerterB: I used a MD recorder for field recording for a while and having to transfer stuff off of it via analog just made me mad. I did check out Xmd some time ago, though :) But I do my field recording with an old powerbook in a backpack now. [00:49:44] *** axelk has joined #opensolaris [00:50:07] <PerterB> hehe, cool... I decided the audio transfer problem was likely insoluble so caved in and bought an ipod, which is good enough for most of my purposes [00:50:19] <PerterB> (and so lost interest in the code) [00:50:56] <PerterB> I feel a bit bad, because people keep mailing me about it and I keep thinking that with a bit of effort I could get somewhere [00:51:56] <elektronkind> yeah, I know the feeling how unenticing updating code you have no use for can be [00:54:00] *** peteh has quit IRC [00:54:32] <PerterB> yeah... and when I'm doing audio work I care more about the audio than fixing my code. Plus the ipod nano removed the size/weight advantage of minidisc players (atrac still runs rings around mps at the same bitrate though) [00:54:40] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [00:56:39] <PerterB> (but most of my audio work is with 12" EPs where the noise floor from the vinyl drowns out most MP3 encoding artifacts anyway) [01:04:06] * boyd curses all Flash video players... they all seem to need babysitting to deal with network delays [01:05:53] <delewis> boyd: tried MPlayer? :-) [01:06:41] *** Kush- has quit IRC [01:06:52] <boyd> I'm trying to watch a vid on site where it's synced with slides. I think I'll look at d/ling them [01:07:28] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [01:13:50] *** lacaAFK is now known as laca [01:14:00] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [01:16:03] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [01:16:18] <kimc> hello opensol [01:17:44] *** avarab has joined #opensolaris [01:17:52] <jamesd_> hi kim chi [01:17:53] *** vladanian has joined #opensolaris [01:18:26] <elektronkind> HELLO. SHALL WE PLAY A GAME? [01:18:36] * Stric doesn't play and thus wins. [01:18:45] * elektronkind is watching Wargames right now for some reason [01:19:08] <alanc> do you need a reason to watch wargames? [01:19:37] <jamesd_> global thermal nuclear war .. or perhaps a nice game of chess [01:19:43] <elektronkind> heh. guess not. It's the movie I credit with makig me interested in computers as a kid [01:20:44] <elektronkind> that and "helping" my dad (as a six year old) build a zenith heathkit [01:20:49] <vladanian> Anyone interested in answering a pretty basic Solaris question? I'm looking at the SMC, at the Disks dialog. I have 4 disks, I'm trying to figure out which are in use and which I can use to try out ZFS [01:21:11] <PerterB> whoa... people actually use SMC? [01:21:16] <vladanian> Each one warns me: No Solaris Fdisk partition [01:21:32] <vladanian> Heh -- I figured someone might say that :) [01:21:44] <vladanian> I'm trying to feel my way around [01:21:59] <vladanian> With the gui [01:22:21] <elektronkind> vladanian: I don't know SMC... but the quick way to fix is that to get a root shell, run format, select each disk, run fdisk, and answer "Y" to the resulting "Make this disk 100% solaris?" question [01:22:27] <kimc> hi jamesd [01:23:18] <vladanian> elektronkind: Will that mess with my solaris installation, though? [01:23:58] <elektronkind> are the drives you're looking at using already used by another OS on your system? [01:24:09] <vladanian> Nope, this is an all-solaris box [01:24:19] <kimc> wish i could get the nics working on this machine [01:24:22] <elektronkind> then it won't hurt your installation [01:24:28] <kimc> on-board nics that is [01:24:41] <elektronkind> vladanian: your system drive is already fdisk'd [01:24:53] <vladanian> But not listed here in smc? [01:24:54] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [01:25:23] <elektronkind> vladanian: I wouldn't know SMC if it fell out of the sky and landed on my head :P [01:25:33] <vladanian> One drive is listed as -11.46% free, another as 73.97% free, the other two as 100% free [01:25:45] <vladanian> I don't get what's up with that? [01:25:50] <elektronkind> vladanian: so I dunno. I know your predicament, and how to fix it from the command line though. [01:26:05] <sickness> i'm back [01:26:13] <vladanian> My predicament, I guess, is what's /etc/fstab? [01:26:18] <elektronkind> vladanian: you know about x86 primary and logical disk partitions, correct? [01:26:22] <vladanian> Yes [01:26:47] *** dunc_ has joined #opensolaris [01:26:57] <elektronkind> vladanian: that's what the "No Solaris Fdisk partition" error is referring to. [01:27:00] *** dunc has quit IRC [01:27:27] <elektronkind> vladanian: for solaris to use a drive, it, or a portion of it, needs to have a primary or logical partition that's of the SOLARIS2 type. [01:28:00] *** stevel has quit IRC [01:28:04] <elektronkind> if there's no SOLARIS2-typed partition on a drive, then you see the error you're seeing in SMC. [01:28:34] <vladanian> Does my root partition not appear in the SMC? [01:28:37] <elektronkind> as for those wacky numbers, those two non-100% drives might have been used for another OS in the past. [01:28:40] *** avar has quit IRC [01:28:43] <vladanian> Ok [01:29:03] <elektronkind> and hence they have a DOS or LINUX partition types [01:29:15] <elektronkind> or some other partition type other than SOLARIS2 [01:29:16] *** axelk has quit IRC [01:29:36] <dwc-> yea, they could have solaris for sparc on it [01:29:42] <vladanian> Since I'm typing this now from the solaris box, there's at least a valid root partition, right? [01:29:53] <dwc-> on one of the disks [01:30:18] <elektronkind> oof. it's 7:30pm. I need to go home. [01:30:24] <vladanian> Thanks [01:30:39] *** silk has quit IRC [01:30:54] *** andrei has joined #opensolaris [01:30:54] <kimc> jamesd_ are you still here ? [01:30:58] <andrei> hi there [01:31:06] <jamesd_> no i'm over here [01:31:36] <andrei> no you're there [01:31:53] <kimc> oh here [01:32:03] <PerterB> where? [01:32:49] <andrei> somewhere there [01:34:01] <PerterB> there on the stair? [01:34:12] <Tpenta> where on the stair? [01:34:18] <PerterB> right there [01:34:26] <Tpenta> :) [01:34:37] <richlowe> mornin' Tpenta. [01:34:42] <Tpenta> hi rich [01:35:14] <Tpenta> I have teh nd stuff for the current drop for x64, I'm just trying to get into gear to do SPARC for it [01:37:09] *** vladanian has quit IRC [01:42:52] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [01:43:30] <kimc> anyone know how i can find the device number for a pci device ? [01:43:43] <richlowe> Tpenta: ping me when you have them done. [01:43:56] <richlowe> Hm, or maybe not. [01:44:03] <Tpenta> :) [01:44:16] <richlowe> Tpenta: do you have the make logic respect the nightly flags done in your workspace? [01:44:28] <richlowe> wow, but with more grammar. [01:44:41] <richlowe> "The make logic to make the closed-bin machinery respect the relevant nightly flags" [01:45:27] <richlowe> I see the diff on your blog which should do it, but I'd thought there should be more to it than that. [01:45:31] <richlowe> Hm. [01:46:33] <Tpenta> nothing more needed. we do debug and non-debug builds, the trick was [01:46:34] <Tpenta> 1. scripting to build both encumbered drops [01:46:34] <Tpenta> 2. fixing the make tree to find the right closed bins [01:47:01] <Tpenta> once the closed bins are in place, then, both builds are pretty straightforward [01:47:05] <richlowe> Yeah, I know how the build goes. [01:47:10] <dwc-> axisis: libplc4.so is in nspr [01:47:45] <dwc-> axisys: libplc4.so is in nspr [01:48:45] *** zsakr has joined #opensolaris [01:48:52] <zsakr> anyone here ever use the SSL api? [01:49:01] <twincest> which ssl api? openssl? [01:51:50] <zsakr> once I connect to my server (echo server in this case) ; how do I get the client to ask the user if they would like to accept the cert. supplied [01:52:09] <zsakr> right now ; i need the key before i connect ; which isn't good [01:52:35] <Gman> so, our installer has the most stupid layout possible. [01:52:48] <Gman> in terms of disk partitioning. [01:52:49] <richlowe> which one? [01:52:56] <zsakr> any ideas? [01:53:15] <Auralis> Gman: the solaris installer? yes, the default layout is next to total useless [01:53:18] <twincest> zsa: you need to specify which ssl api you're using [01:53:33] * Gman just got tripped on it once again.. [01:53:37] <richlowe> Auralis: oh, ah, yeah. [01:53:40] <richlowe> I was thinking he meant the GUI. [01:53:44] * richlowe goes and sits in the corner [01:53:47] <Gman> well, the gui sucks too [01:53:53] <zsakr> how would I do so? [01:54:04] <zsakr> I take it it's going to be trustManager related [01:54:09] <twincest> you could say "i am using openssl", or "i am using gnutls", or whatever [01:54:16] <zsakr> javax.net.ssl. [01:54:35] <twincest> ah, java [01:54:53] *** zsakr is now known as zsakr- [01:56:38] <zsakr-> yea [01:56:47] <zsakr-> the server is reading the key using the keymanagerfactory and a supplied file [01:56:56] <zsakr-> avoiding the ugly -Dgarbage [01:58:04] <zsakr-> ? [01:58:26] <axisys> dwc-: i copied the cert7.db and key3.db to a sol 10.. no more library issue .. but not sure how to use certutil to get the info of the cert [02:00:10] *** peteh has quit IRC [02:00:49] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [02:05:43] *** avar has joined #opensolaris [02:16:30] <Doc> rich mcdougall, jim mauro and brendan gregg all in the one room... woot! :) [02:16:58] *** avarab has quit IRC [02:19:20] <Tpenta> :) [02:19:30] <Tpenta> signing books? [02:20:04] <Doc> they just gave away the first copyever signed by all 3 [02:20:05] * hile_ yawns [02:20:20] <hile_> how goes, Doc? [02:20:23] <Tpenta> :) [02:20:28] <Tpenta> and numbered it? [02:21:42] <hile_> Evening Tpenta [02:22:33] <Tpenta> hile_ [02:24:24] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [02:29:06] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [02:29:06] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [02:31:54] <hile_> hello bill. [02:33:12] *** bubbva has quit IRC [02:33:13] *** adp has joined #opensolaris [02:34:11] *** slowhog has left #opensolaris [02:35:26] * Gman still needs to order his copy of si [02:37:20] <hile_> Do I order them or make my parents feel useful by actually giving them a chirstmas list rather than, "I need to buy a rack ot hold all my shit, fund it." or "just give me money because it's going to be the downpayment on my truck anyhow" [02:38:50] *** piwi has quit IRC [02:39:03] <Gman> hile_, heh [02:39:20] <Gman> harpster said i could expense a copy, so maybe now is a good time to buy [02:41:09] <sommerfeld> had a brief distraction due to finding a bug -- So You DOn't Have To.. [02:41:24] <Tpenta> good afternoon bill [02:43:10] <Gman> Tpenta, what was the name of that bookstore you got your copy from? [02:43:27] <Tpenta> i bought it thru the link from sunlibrary [02:43:31] <zsakr-> apparently micro$oft are totally enamored with using a non-existent tld for not only web crawler IPs but for hotmail crap [02:43:49] <Gman> Tpenta, ta [02:45:02] *** karrotx has joined #opensolaris [02:47:16] *** mkhl has quit IRC [02:47:54] <zsakr-> they made windows.. what do you expect? right? :) [02:48:10] *** ndroux has quit IRC [02:55:34] *** djgregor has joined #opensolaris [02:59:34] <Doc> ok.. wifi actually works in this room [02:59:56] <Doc> (even if my battery is almost dead) [03:01:37] <zsakr-> which room?:) [03:02:14] <Doc> 2001 [03:04:01] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC [03:04:16] *** pip` has joined #opensolaris [03:04:22] *** zsakr- has left #opensolaris [03:07:43] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [03:13:19] <richlowe> it'd have been nice to find out about the nature of the bug sommerfeld just discovered. [03:15:51] *** dclarke has joined #opensolaris [03:16:24] <Tpenta> hi dennis. some folks were wondering if you'd ever come up for air after that ppc announcement ;) [03:16:46] <dclarke> hello [03:16:52] <dclarke> yeah .. its a little hairy [03:17:16] <dclarke> like having a pickup truck back up to your house and dump a pile of code in your front lawn [03:17:19] <Tpenta> finally got trough my onbld bootstrapping issues for encumbered-bins on sparc [03:17:23] <Tpenta> it'dnow running [03:17:26] <dclarke> with no read guide or anything .. just here [03:17:43] <dclarke> oh ? non-debug UltraSparc ? [03:18:07] <Tpenta> yup, I have the x64 ready from this mornings drop, I'd like to drop sparc at the same time [03:19:13] <dclarke> as soon as I can .. I'll look in on that [03:19:18] <Gman> dclarke, sounds like just about every other sun open source code dump :) [03:19:18] <dclarke> the ppc thing has me busy [03:19:18] <Tpenta> 11:19am up 4:04, 3 users, load average: 60.88, 36.96, 17.53 [03:19:32] <dclarke> holy load avg [03:19:35] <Tpenta> my build 4800 is a tad busy [03:19:44] <dclarke> she's a tad busy [03:19:50] <dclarke> ha ha [03:19:56] <Tpenta> :) [03:19:58] <Tpenta> set parallelism to 52 [03:20:02] <dclarke> same geek lingo [03:20:12] <Tpenta> on a 12 cpu box [03:20:13] <richlowe> combine that with DMAKE_ADJUST_MAX_JOBS=NO. [03:20:16] <richlowe> and wait for the smoke. [03:20:16] <richlowe> :) [03:20:16] <dclarke> um .. I need to focus on a wee disk setup this evening [03:20:33] <dclarke> DMAKE_ADJUST_MAX_JOBS ? [03:20:37] <dclarke> I'll keep that one in mind [03:20:54] <Tpenta> no, I put the following line in ~/.make.machines [03:21:01] <richlowe> dclarke: dmake by default will adjust the number of jobs based on how the system is currently loaded. [03:21:04] <richlowe> that makes it not do so. [03:21:10] <Tpenta> f4800a-dom-a max=52 [03:22:22] <richlowe> it also makes the fact that the actual number of jobs is jobs*tree-depth all the more obvious :) [03:22:23] <dclarke> thats a big machine [03:22:33] <Tpenta> and for good measure: [03:22:34] <Tpenta> v40z-c max=20 [03:22:50] <richlowe> Tpenta: 4-way v40 I assume [03:22:56] <Tpenta> yup [03:22:59] <dclarke> here is a question .. which would you rather use .. a 4 CPU V890 or that 12 CPU 4800 ? [03:23:08] <dclarke> given 4 x 1.8 GHz procs [03:23:13] <dclarke> and 32GB RAM [03:23:52] <Tpenta> i happen to have the 4800 already booked, with the right O/S and compilers on it. really didn't want to fart around setting up another box [03:24:12] <dclarke> but given the option .. and both were in front of you [03:24:26] <dclarke> with infinitely fast storage attached [03:24:27] <Tpenta> not sure, I'd have to think about it [03:24:35] <dclarke> its a toughie to be sure [03:24:49] <dclarke> I think the four way V890 would be blistering quick [03:24:55] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7PA3Hu30.nln.html [03:25:05] <gisburn> !seen schily [03:25:07] <Drone> schily is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Fri 29 Sep 2006 00:15 GMT, saying 'OK, I am going to bed - see you later......'. [03:25:12] <Tpenta> in hindsight, i should have booked a fully stocked 6900 ;) [03:25:21] *** jsubl2 has joined #opensolaris [03:25:29] * gisburn pokes schily [03:25:30] <dclarke> ha ha .. yeah .. the more the merrier I guess [03:25:54] <Tpenta> there are limits though, for example everything serializes for the libc build [03:26:41] <dclarke> I think that it was Amdhal ( the man .. not the co ) that came up with some axioms and theorms in parallel computing [03:26:50] <dclarke> Amdahl ? [03:26:55] <dclarke> not sure of the spelling [03:27:04] <Tpenta> looks right [03:27:31] <dclarke> the old question was .. would you rather have a single processor with N machine states per sec or multiple procs which result in the same number of machine states per sec [03:27:59] <dclarke> I may the only guy here that recales T-states and M-states and stuff liek that [03:28:00] <Tpenta> it's always going to depend on the load [03:28:07] <dclarke> well .. I'm not that old .. yet [03:28:32] <dclarke> yeah .. well .. given a 10GHz single proc or a 10 x 1GHz procs [03:28:39] <dclarke> it may come down to the load [03:28:49] <dclarke> certain loads are serial in nature and no way around it [03:28:52] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [03:29:01] *** andrei has left #opensolaris [03:32:17] <dclarke> ick .. looks like a stripe depth that is only 107 blocks is a damn bad choice for IO [03:32:27] <dclarke> I should have known better .. [03:34:09] <dclarke> I'm also working with http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/stuff/gtkpod/ [03:34:16] <dclarke> GTKpod [03:34:29] <dclarke> an iPod management bit of software [03:37:51] *** kb7sqi_ has quit IRC [03:42:01] <Error_404> oh, hey dclarke [03:42:09] <dclarke> oh hey [03:42:49] <hile_> 404's here? man, they let just anybody in here these days. Oh, hi 404! :) [03:42:50] <axisys> prtconf does not work in non-global zone [03:43:06] <hile_> why would it [03:43:19] <hile_> non-global zones don't /really/ have devices [03:43:52] <axisys> hile_: u have a point [03:45:20] <dclarke> wow .. I am getting really bad IO here .. with logging turned off [03:45:30] <dclarke> on a ufs filesystem with nologging [03:45:43] *** kimc has left #opensolaris [03:46:04] <hile_> are you using decent controllers? [03:46:20] <dclarke> Sun fibre [03:46:46] <hile_> let me guess... 501-5202? [03:47:07] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [03:47:13] <dclarke> dunno .. I'd have to use prtconf or fruadm to get the part number [03:47:24] <hile_> is it the u2 or something else? [03:47:31] <dclarke> well .. now I am getting 90MB/sec [03:47:38] <dclarke> no .. a dual proc V240 [03:47:43] <dclarke> dual 1.5GHz [03:47:57] <hile_> is the storage subsystem laid out well? [03:47:59] <dclarke> md0 md1 md3 md19 [03:48:01] <dclarke> kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv [03:48:03] <dclarke> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 90626 144 26 [03:48:04] <dclarke> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 90421 143 26 [03:48:09] <dclarke> thats the toughie [03:48:18] <dclarke> I am trying to get a decent stripe depth [03:48:35] <dclarke> the only way I know is with experimentation [03:48:39] <hile_> we get decent performance at work.. but then we have a habit of using about 20 LUNs per big ass metadevice [03:48:44] <hile_> with 4 paths to each [03:49:01] <dclarke> I'm using 16 fibre disks per stripe [03:49:06] <hile_> Symmetrix boxes hanging off of Brocade 24000 directors. [03:49:12] <hile_> that's not bad. [03:49:13] <dclarke> oh .. sweet [03:49:50] <hile_> dennis: from a partner in the firm a few weeks back, "it appears what happened here is a switch broke in a way nobody has ever seen before" [03:50:02] * elektronkind takes a chimay ale out of the fridge and configures his new sata drives [03:50:21] <dclarke> it burst into flames ? [03:50:48] <dclarke> 46656 files avg=0.000958 sec total=44.712312 sec io_avg=65.216936 MB/sec [03:50:55] <dclarke> using my own file IO load test here [03:51:29] <dclarke> md0 md1 md3 md19 [03:51:30] <dclarke> kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv [03:51:33] <dclarke> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 70210 1154 12 [03:51:34] <dclarke> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 69043 1112 12 [03:51:37] <dclarke> thats not bad [03:51:53] <dclarke> I'll try again .. different ufs options [03:52:09] <hile_> no clue what actually happened... i'd love to be a fly on the wall when EMC and brocade fight over who we're goin to make pay whatever fines the SEC deicdes to levy because some ranodm reports coudln't be filed on time. [03:52:35] <dclarke> take two of their salesmen [03:52:46] <dclarke> strip them to their shorts [03:52:49] <hile_> not really my problem [03:52:50] <richlowe> Tpenta: I have a partial fix for 4631488 that I think helps quite a bit in $SRC/lib [03:52:51] <dclarke> give them each a knife [03:52:56] <dclarke> toss them in a locked room [03:52:57] <richlowe> Tpenta: though as you say, there's no way around libc. [03:53:07] <Tpenta> uhuh [03:53:20] <Error_404> only suckers use libc [03:53:25] <Error_404> i'm all about the libd [03:53:40] <hile_> dd's are more fun to play with :) [03:53:43] <dclarke> you're so futuristic [03:53:45] *** nachox has joined #opensolaris [03:53:50] <richlowe> Tpenta: actually, there maybe a small amount you can do in parallel with libc, but not enough to really change things. [03:53:54] <dclarke> dd's ? [03:54:01] <hile_> bad joke [03:54:02] <dclarke> as in dd if=foo of=bar ? [03:54:07] <nachox> hey all [03:54:20] <Error_404> dclarke: exactly like that [03:54:34] <dclarke> the ultimate file IO test I am sure :-P [03:54:44] <richlowe> Tpenta: and really, compared to the whole thing backing up for an hour or so behind the lint crosscheck of the kernel, libc isn't so bad at all :) [03:56:17] <axisys> can srm offer dynamic memory share? i know dynamic cpu share is possible. [03:57:18] * nachox wonders when trusted jds will be ready if it isnt already [03:58:43] <dclarke> wow .. color me happy .. I just saw 91959 KB/sec go by [04:01:28] <alanc> wow, JDS is going to start doing code review [04:01:50] <Gman> they are? [04:01:57] <dclarke> code review ? [04:02:00] <richlowe> "about damn time". :) [04:02:08] <dclarke> which means what to me ? [04:02:10] <hile_> you mean gman isn't perfect? [04:02:11] <alanc> that's what laca's mail to desktop-discuss sounds like [04:02:16] <Gman> hrm, they are. [04:02:19] <Gman> they are! [04:02:21] <Gman> :/ [04:02:22] <Gman> ;) [04:02:25] <alanc> Gman is, but he's not the whole JDS team 8-) [04:02:33] <richlowe> we'll expect 2.16 in 2012 then, huh? [04:02:41] <Gman> unfortunately i'm not perfect either [04:02:43] <Gman> richlowe, nah [04:02:47] <Gman> i think this review is just for patches [04:02:50] <Tpenta> gman, any idea what the chances of getting teh python bindings to gstreamer into the builds would be? [04:02:51] <alanc> oh, they're not going to review upstream code, just Sun's changes [04:03:04] * Tpenta would *really* like to try to play with www.jokosher.org [04:03:10] <alanc> which is similar to what we do in X [04:03:17] <Gman> Tpenta, better than average [04:04:01] <Tpenta> the folks on #jokosher seem pretty decent too [04:04:35] * richlowe reads the mail. [04:04:50] <richlowe> so, from the sound of it, you're going to start doing code review, yet exempt the vast majority of what you do from it? [04:05:31] <Gman> Tpenta, jono bacon is a dude! you can tell him that :) [04:05:45] <Tpenta> :) [04:05:52] <Gman> tell ack he's a knobhead ;) [04:05:55] <twincest> rich has become so much more cynical than when he joined ;-) [04:06:00] * Gman knows them well [04:06:06] <Tpenta> now if i could make it work under brandZ that would also be interesting, but yum update on teh centos stuff doesn't give me new enough bits [04:06:15] <Gman> richlowe, it's mostly to stop people doing dumb things [04:06:30] <richlowe> Gman: like instituting a review process that explicitly exempts most things you do? ;) [04:06:31] <Gman> if you followed the commits to jds-spec-files, you'd know a fair amount of dumb things happen [04:06:36] <richlowe> (I only said that for twincest's benefit) ;) [04:06:45] <Gman> usually they get caught in a less formal review by laca, damien and me ;) [04:07:08] <Gman> richlowe, unfortunately i'm going to have to observe the rules too [04:07:23] <Gman> but laca's been the one driving this [04:07:37] <richlowe> and I'm no more cynical than I ever have been. :) [04:09:05] * Gman replies to laca's mail [04:09:32] <gisburn> how is the "." in floating-point values called ? delimiter ? [04:09:45] <alanc> it's the reverse 80/20 rule - 20% of the effort catches 80% of the mistakes, since there's already lots more people catching the mistakes the community makes upstream [04:10:02] *** peteh has quit IRC [04:10:02] <alanc> "decimal point" is what I usually call it [04:10:41] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [04:12:14] <axisys> i guess DISM is not supported.. so answer to my previous question is no [04:13:10] *** alanc is now known as alanc-away [04:22:05] <dclarke> silly vi question [04:22:12] <dclarke> and I have been using it forever [04:22:17] <dclarke> but can't recall [04:22:29] <dclarke> how to quickly insert at the beginning of the current line [04:22:42] <dclarke> and shift ( ain't it [04:23:27] <elektronkind> shift-^i [04:24:07] <dclarke> is that meant to be CTRL i ? [04:24:15] <Gman> I [04:24:17] <elektronkind> no, literal [04:24:27] <elektronkind> shift-carrot i [04:24:45] <Gman> just 'I' will do [04:25:05] <dclarke> actually neither does it [04:25:10] <dclarke> its not just me I guess [04:25:19] <dclarke> I thought I was losing my little mind [04:25:30] <elektronkind> "I" doesn't do what? [04:25:35] <dclarke> in either case I get to the first non-blank or non-whitespace char [04:25:41] <Gman> sure you're not using emacs? :) [04:25:47] <dclarke> not actually to the zero'th char [04:25:50] <elektronkind> are you using vim with some wonky setting? [04:25:51] <Tpenta> 0i [04:26:09] <dclarke> actually the vi I am using is /usr/xpg4/bin/vi [04:26:10] * nachox beats Gman with emacs manual :P heavy reading [04:26:30] <Tpenta> dclarke: try zero i [04:26:34] <dclarke> Tpenta ! love ya dude ! [04:26:37] <dclarke> thats it [04:26:47] <elektronkind> dclarke: "I" works for my with xpg4 vi.... [04:27:02] <dclarke> generally if I preceded the i with a digit or number it implies that I will repeat the insert [04:27:14] <Tpenta> elektronkind: it won't work if you have white space at the beginning of the line [04:27:19] <elektronkind> ah [04:27:23] <elektronkind> there's the rub [04:27:28] <Tpenta> 0 is a special command to take you to beginning of line [04:27:29] <dclarke> # which vi [04:27:30] <dclarke> /usr/xpg4/bin/vi [04:27:35] <dclarke> cool ! [04:27:38] <dclarke> never knew that [04:27:55] <dclarke> been doing this vi thing since ...... [04:27:56] <elektronkind> 10 years of use, and vi is still a mystery to me [04:27:58] <dclarke> 87 ? [04:27:59] <Tpenta> I must try to find that set of vi macros that solve maze(1) [04:28:15] <Tpenta> by right wall following [04:28:20] <dclarke> # man -s 1 maze [04:28:21] <dclarke> No entry for maze in section(s) 1 of the manual. [04:28:41] <elektronkind> quick, submit a CR, dclarke [04:28:42] <dclarke> I thought the left hand rule was the standard .. then again .. what do I know [04:28:58] <dclarke> a CR ? [04:29:02] <axisys> is there a `how to install oracle in non-global zone?' .. i c one from sep 2005 .. not sure if that would cover all sol 10 u2 features [04:29:39] <axisys> it is definitely not talking about zfs [04:29:40] <elektronkind> a CR for the lack of maze(1) in /usr/src/cmd [04:29:47] <nachox> carriage return? :) [04:29:58] *** hile_ has left #opensolaris [04:29:59] <elektronkind> showstopper... priority 1 [04:30:15] <dclarke> heck .. I think that stanard adventure and fortune should still be in there somewhere [04:30:44] <nachox> i miss fortune from my linux days :( [04:31:08] <elektronkind> not a game, but sudo should be there, too.... with the insults turned on. 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[04:37:49] *** nachox has quit IRC [04:41:22] <axisys> !seen jamesd_ [04:41:24] <Drone> jamesd_ is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Tue 03 Oct 2006 23:31 GMT, saying 'no i'm over here'. [04:41:41] <axisys> jamesd_: do u still have this link http://www.karrot-x.net/jamesd/jailVzone.html? [04:41:48] <axisys> i get a 404 [04:42:09] <axisys> jamesd_: ur link was mentioned here http://blogs.sun.com/jph/category/Solaris [04:42:50] *** Dr_Jekyll has quit IRC [04:43:05] *** nwf has quit IRC [04:48:12] <Error_404> pumpkin pie? more like yum-kin pie [04:51:00] <Error_404> i made 2... because i want one to still be around for thanksgiving this weekend [04:55:16] <dclarke> here is a silly question [04:55:25] <dclarke> if I boot net a amchine [04:55:31] <dclarke> to Solaris 10 update 2 [04:55:40] <dclarke> can I create a ZFS filesystem ? [04:55:51] <dclarke> while booted only via boot net ? [04:55:54] <dclarke> never tried [05:03:20] *** jsubl2 has quit IRC [05:03:42] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [05:04:11] *** noyb has joined #opensolaris [05:05:19] <noyb> dclarke: I guess you got your wish? (I just read the announcement about PPC source release) [05:05:41] <dclarke> got it [05:05:58] <dclarke> ugly or otherwise .. finally got the source released [05:06:25] <noyb> cool! so you don't need to start over with whomever that was the other night that was going to go do that with you. [05:06:41] <dclarke> we don't know yet [05:06:54] <dclarke> myself and a few guys are digging through it [05:07:07] <dclarke> this will take time to figure out what the heck was done [05:07:16] <dclarke> its not like its hasn't been hacked [05:07:29] <dclarke> its a hack in places .. and thats okay to get started [05:09:24] <noyb> well, happy launch to you! Now what will this mean? Solaris runs on x86, x64, sparc, niagara, and ppc? [05:09:36] <dclarke> thats the plan [05:09:39] <gisburn> noyb: niagara is sparc [05:10:07] * dclarke thinks Niagara is UltraSparc on steroids [05:10:21] <noyb> well, yeah... but it's like a *little* radical to just dismiss like that. [05:10:41] <Gman> http://blogs.sun.com/yakshaving/entry/cec_10_3_general_session [05:10:44] <dclarke> like any body builder on steroids .. it can do amazing work but not math [05:10:53] <Gman> 'when will we have acroread for x64' [05:10:55] <Gman> hawhaw [05:11:04] <twincest> what's the point of an x64 acroread? [05:11:55] <noyb> The T1's are revolutionary. Not "just another sparc" in my book. Also revolutionary is that we're here at this place: compatible and radical combined. [05:12:48] <noyb> twincest: oh, boy. don't touch that button! It's the history eraser buttton! stay away! [05:13:00] <dclarke> I smell a marketing person [05:14:32] <noyb> and down we go into the rabbit hole that is acroread... I think I'll be back in a few days when the channel is done moaning about it.... so how about those Dodgers, eh? [05:15:24] <dclarke> the Dodgers ? [05:15:26] <noyb> nice weather here in CA... [05:15:34] <dclarke> how about those Jays ? [05:15:45] <noyb> they're blue right? [05:15:48] * dclarke losers .. the lot of em [05:16:11] <dclarke> I have a major bitch session saved up for anyone that dares to bring up baseball around me [05:16:20] <dclarke> totally rigged fixed sport [05:16:48] <noyb> ok, National Inquirer conspiracy man... lay it on us... [05:17:12] <noyb> it all starts with steroids... [05:17:17] <dclarke> no no [05:17:26] <dclarke> its best done at a bar .. with booze [05:17:30] <dclarke> lots of booze [05:17:39] <dclarke> but if you want the readers digest version [05:17:44] <dclarke> it goes like this [05:17:49] <noyb> it (your theory) then becomes much more believable? [05:17:54] <noyb> :) [05:17:55] <dclarke> remember the 1992 World Series ? [05:18:00] <noyb> no. [05:18:09] * dclarke kids .. sheesh [05:18:22] <dclarke> the 1992 World Series .. in Canada [05:18:27] <noyb> I think I can count the number of bball games I've seen on one hand. [05:18:29] <dclarke> in Canada with the Blue Jays [05:18:54] <noyb> I'm 41... [05:18:57] <dclarke> there was general crying and whining and moaning in New York at the head offices of both CBS and NBC [05:19:28] <dclarke> you see .. the moment that the game went north to Canada .. about half the TV sets in USA switched off [05:19:40] <dclarke> certainly when it became clear that it was a loss [05:20:01] <dclarke> the amount of advertising and other monies lost was astronomical [05:20:02] <noyb> ok, go on... ;) [05:20:11] <dclarke> then .. it gets worse [05:20:23] <dclarke> in 1993 .. boom .. back to back World Series in Canada [05:20:24] * noyb gulps a shot [05:20:39] <dclarke> again .. the Blue Jays were to win this one too [05:20:44] * noyb slams a beer [05:20:49] <dclarke> doeen in the states .. and I'll find the quote [05:21:12] <dclarke> a CBS exec said that if the series is not ripped out of Canada then he will jump out a window [05:21:22] <dclarke> the money lost was beyond belief [05:21:23] * noyb disengages from the beer bong... [05:21:33] <dclarke> that game had gone north two years in a row [05:21:52] <dclarke> now .. the third year of winnign was starting up [05:21:53] * noyb eats the worm... [05:22:23] <dclarke> and for the first time in peacetime history .. since World War II .. do you know what happened ? [05:22:30] <dclarke> baseball was cancelled [05:22:36] <dclarke> no World Series [05:22:44] <noyb> not in the slightest did I know that. [05:22:51] <dclarke> the Blue Jays were ripped apart .. member sent hither and thither [05:23:03] <dclarke> no baseball season [05:23:07] <dclarke> it was cancelled [05:23:25] <dclarke> the Jays were reformed as a team of losers [05:23:45] <dclarke> never again would the World Series go north and the American Dream game .. leave USA [05:23:53] <dclarke> too much money lost in two years [05:23:58] * noyb guzzles Patron [05:24:09] <dclarke> so .. when it looked like it was going to be another kileld year .. they cancelled the whole game [05:24:16] <dclarke> killer year [05:24:45] <dclarke> the money lost to both CBS and NBC was measured in the half billion zone [05:24:54] <dclarke> for those two years [05:25:14] <dclarke> all we need was a NFL team in Toronto to win the Super Bowl and that would have killed them [05:25:21] <noyb> so then the us gov came in a bailed them out at taxpayer expense... [05:25:24] <dclarke> anyways .. its rigged [05:25:48] <dclarke> and it didn't take a world war to cancel baseball [05:25:53] <dclarke> just money [05:26:07] <dclarke> so .. there ya go .. drinks are on me [05:26:10] <noyb> ok. well, I played along well... and I actually believe you without drinking. [05:26:27] <noyb> thanks! [05:26:28] <dclarke> go check the World Series winners list [05:26:47] <noyb> no, no... I *actually* believe you. [05:26:47] <dclarke> Blue Jays followed by Blue Jays followed by .. no World Series at all [05:27:00] * dclarke slams hand on table [05:27:06] <dclarke> dammit man .. I'm telling ya [05:27:14] * dclarke starts to slur [05:27:21] <dclarke> its rigged [05:27:28] * dclarke falls on floor [05:29:12] *** Elendal has joined #opensolaris [05:30:33] <dclarke> actually [05:30:37] * dclarke climbs up [05:30:40] <dclarke> actually [05:30:47] <dclarke> actually I made a slight error [05:31:23] <dclarke> the BaseBall World Series was played during both World Wars [05:31:38] <dclarke> there was never a World Series missed .. since 1904 [05:31:45] *** laca has quit IRC [05:31:57] <dclarke> except when it went to Canada two years in a row .. that killed it [05:32:10] *** pip` has quit IRC [05:33:27] <noyb> ok, so I drank too much... :-) [05:34:10] <noyb> or it's your refined delivery. both have a dizzying effect. [05:35:02] <dclarke> refined delivery .. [05:35:07] <noyb> you've had time to work on that.. [05:35:08] <dclarke> pun intended [05:35:15] <dclarke> clearly :-) [05:35:26] <dclarke> you should see me deliver that speech in person [05:35:33] <dclarke> its a thing of beauty [05:35:34] <noyb> animated? [05:35:37] <dclarke> and now I have new ammo [05:35:45] <noyb> arm waving, and stuff? [05:35:56] <dclarke> the World Series was not cancelled during WW II or WW I [05:36:12] <dclarke> but it was for the Blue Jays in Canada .. so there [05:36:20] <noyb> it's riveting... for the first 8 times I'm sure. :) [05:37:36] <dclarke> wanna know how the first World Series was won in Canada ? [05:37:48] <noyb> have you so polluted the minds of all Canada with this Pub talk? [05:37:51] <dclarke> in the 11th inning [05:37:58] <Error_404> dclarke: one team scored more whatevers than the other? [05:38:02] <noyb> here we go... ;-) [05:38:05] <Error_404> ;) [05:38:05] <dclarke> well ... [05:38:17] <dclarke> dammit ... no one is listening [05:38:22] <noyb> LOL [05:38:32] <noyb> still... [05:38:38] <Gman> #baseball seems more appropriate [05:38:39] <dclarke> I'll bet ya listen when I talk about organized delivery of open source to a world of users though !! :-) [05:38:45] <noyb> I think there are tears here... [05:38:50] <jbalint> Hi. [05:39:07] <Error_404> dclarke: exactly... something we know about [05:39:22] <noyb> Hush! folks! we're avoiding "that topic" Please indulge our friend, dclarke ! [05:39:39] <dclarke> I'm done [05:39:42] <noyb> aw [05:39:46] * dclarke feels all worn out now [05:39:49] <Error_404> noyb: which topic? [05:39:54] <noyb> nevermind [05:40:04] <dclarke> I'm gonna go sulk in a corned and mutter to myself [05:40:15] <dclarke> I'm gonna go sulk in a corneR and mutter to myself [05:40:22] <noyb> I thought I was being a good sport! [05:40:22] <Error_404> muttering isn't inspecting source... get to work [05:40:24] <Error_404> ;) [05:41:04] <dclarke> yep .. work to do .. [05:41:10] <dclarke> catch ya'll later ! [05:41:16] <dclarke> thanks for listening to me rant [05:41:20] <noyb> thank you! [05:41:37] <noyb> it was fun! [05:41:42] <Error_404> actually, speaking of inspecting source [05:41:52] * Error_404 gets to work [05:41:52] <noyb> you saved us from hours of torture! [05:42:51] <dclarke> well ... I'll be back .. [05:43:06] <dclarke> I'm going to see if I can make a 1TB filesystem here [05:43:12] <dclarke> and then fill it [05:43:31] <Error_404> with what? [05:43:40] <dclarke> data [05:43:45] <dclarke> random data [05:43:48] <dclarke> lots of it [05:44:02] <Error_404> just gonna make a 1TB file full of random bits? [05:44:08] <dclarke> yep [05:44:25] <Error_404> sounds like clock ticks of fun [05:44:28] <dclarke> its a stupid job .. but someone has to do it [05:44:41] <Error_404> because otherwise, how will we know.... something [05:44:42] <Error_404> ;) [05:44:45] <dclarke> if there are bad blocks on these disks .. I'll hit them [05:45:00] <Error_404> makes sense [05:45:12] <dclarke> really .. I'm just running a few arrays before they ship out the door to a server room [05:48:23] <dclarke> okay .. back to work [05:48:26] <dclarke> http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/Awesome.png [05:49:01] <Error_404> hmm... that's odd... references to #IF defined(__amd64) in usr/uts/ppc/* [05:49:20] <Error_404> if it is defined, why did you recurse this far? [05:51:25] <dclarke> the initial compile is done on AMD64 [05:51:30] <dclarke> with cross compilers [05:51:39] <dclarke> then again .. what do I know [05:52:14] <Error_404> *shrug* you know this code better than I do at the moment [05:53:32] <dclarke> I have to review this new pile [05:55:44] <Error_404> what in the... "forget commenting out code, let's do it with preprocessor directives!" [05:56:04] <twincest> error: #if 0? [05:56:24] <dclarke> what are you looking at specifically ? [05:56:51] *** Teknix has quit IRC [05:57:10] <Error_404> at the moment, usr/src/uts/ppc/os/archdep.c [05:57:51] <Error_404> twincest: exactly [05:57:54] <dclarke> well .. I was given advanced info .. expect weird things [05:58:24] <twincest> well #if 0 is a common idiom [05:58:27] <elektronkind> has there been a native compile done yet? [05:58:37] <twincest> commenting out code with comments doesn't always work so well :) [05:58:46] <dclarke> no [05:58:55] <dclarke> there is no native compiler yet [05:59:09] <Error_404> where does this code boot to, btw? [05:59:12] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [05:59:36] <Error_404> from what i can tell from the mailing list, we still don't have a VM [05:59:45] <dclarke> bingo [05:59:53] <dclarke> thats a job I am looking into [06:00:02] <dclarke> dealing with a multi-level page scheme [06:00:04] <Error_404> so it boots, in as far as the machine doesn't spit errors when you try to boot with it? [06:00:20] <dclarke> its gets to a point andd then panics [06:00:31] <dclarke> so essentially after six months of work or more [06:00:36] <dclarke> we haev a new starting point [06:00:37] <bank__> hi [06:00:45] <Error_404> well, that's cool [06:00:52] <Error_404> beats starting from scratch in either case [06:01:31] <elektronkind> . o O ( solaris ppc grid ) [06:02:00] <elektronkind> it would make the useless linux/ppc bladecenter cluster we have more interesting (to me at least) [06:03:29] <elektronkind> professor here get a metric fuck ton of money from IBM for buying IBM gear. what does he buy? 32 ppc blades running linux. didn't think to buy storage for them. 2 years on, that row of racks is sitting there idle and sucking power. [06:03:55] * dclarke gag [06:04:02] <dclarke> tell me you're kidding [06:04:09] <elektronkind> nope. not kidding. [06:04:28] <elektronkind> https://bluegrit.cs.umbc.edu/ [06:04:34] <dclarke> give stupid people money and what do they do ? [06:04:59] <elektronkind> my group ended up saving this prof's ass by providing him storage [06:05:15] <dclarke> moron [06:05:26] <elektronkind> check out the "installed software" [06:05:29] <dclarke> so .. I can sign up for an account ? [06:05:34] <elektronkind> all that iron... for bullshit apps [06:05:53] <dclarke> I'm gonna just croak [06:06:02] <dclarke> thats abusive [06:06:27] <dclarke> and here I am wit ha stack of machines churning out software and I have to deal with crap hardware and anything I can beg for [06:06:27] <elektronkind> oh that's the other thing. it's treated as "his sandbox" ... he rarely lets even other profs in his department use it. [06:06:31] <dclarke> I'm gonna just gag [06:06:40] <elektronkind> yeah, the injustice is insane [06:06:46] <dclarke> send me an email with the guys name [06:07:16] <dclarke> I'll put him on a male dating mail list and get free gifts sent to his secretary [06:07:27] <dclarke> thats just .. insane [06:07:30] <elektronkind> hehehe [06:07:49] <elektronkind> you want to know the real kicker about this? [06:07:59] <dclarke> there's more ? [06:08:05] *** Teknix has joined #opensolaris [06:08:07] <Error_404> heh [06:08:09] * dclarke reaches for booze [06:08:32] <elektronkind> he wanted a "compile node". He went out and brout a x86 blade for that... to compile apps for his ppc cluster. [06:08:46] <dclarke> moron [06:08:49] <dclarke> moron ! [06:08:53] <elektronkind> can you say "bloody moron" ? [06:08:54] <dclarke> oh gad ... [06:09:08] <dclarke> this jerk is a professor ? [06:09:11] <elektronkind> yup [06:09:15] <dclarke> a PHd carrying moron ? [06:09:30] <dclarke> with tenure also I suppose [06:09:55] <dclarke> probably did research at one point in his life on sphinter muscle tension or something liek that [06:10:03] <elektronkind> well, about PhD... after working in academia for two years now, I've realised that "PhD" is shorthand for "brain is full" [06:10:04] *** NilsAN has quit IRC [06:10:05] <dclarke> thats just sooo wrong [06:10:25] <dclarke> IBM told me to go pound sand [06:10:34] <dclarke> when I asked them for a little hardware [06:10:41] <dclarke> even used old Netfinity gear [06:10:58] <dclarke> nope .. sorry . we can not be associated with a Solaris site [06:10:59] *** NilsAN has joined #opensolaris [06:11:21] <dclarke> but they can drop hardware .. killer hardware .. on a jerk [06:12:12] <elektronkind> it's bollocks for sure [06:12:41] <Error_404> i wonder (doubt) if apple would drop some EOL hardware for the project [06:12:42] <dclarke> well .. you ruined my evening now [06:12:44] <Error_404> you should ask them [06:12:55] <Error_404> an old imac G5 or something [06:13:04] <dclarke> along with that World Series I now have something else to gripe about [06:13:13] <dclarke> :-\ [06:15:42] <elektronkind> I'm pushing a x8000-based grid right now. for a while, the CIO thought this ppc cluster was _the shit_... until we clued him in on how poorly it was designed and managed. [06:16:13] <dclarke> sometimes big hardware impresses small minds [06:16:32] <dclarke> thats how IBM sold so many bloody big blue boxes that were six feet high [06:16:56] <dclarke> the UNIX workstation nearly killed the mainframe market [06:17:06] <elektronkind> yeah, like our pair of p670 running weblogic. gack. [06:17:41] <elektronkind> I think they're 670's. whatever was power4 and in those tall black cabinets with the copper trim on the front. [06:17:44] <dclarke> tonight must be the free for all bitch zone [06:17:49] <elektronkind> heh [06:17:57] <elektronkind> why not :P [06:18:00] <dclarke> Z series ? [06:18:30] <dclarke> I had to deal with IBM MVS/ESA and JCP/PICL etc etc when I was at Lotus [06:18:57] <elektronkind> I can't recall.. all I know is that a) they're huge, b) consume more watts than a flux capacitor, and c) use (a) and (b) just to run weblogic. [06:19:00] <dclarke> the very idea that to get a job into the queue via "job cards" was incredible [06:19:13] <dclarke> ha ha [06:19:22] <dclarke> the flux capacitor [06:19:26] <dclarke> that reminds me [06:19:32] <dclarke> hold on .. I'll be back [06:19:37] <dclarke> gotta newfs a TB [06:19:50] <elektronkind> I need to crash actually [06:20:02] <elektronkind> early meeting in town in the morning :/ [06:20:07] <elektronkind> night [06:20:59] <Error_404> i don't have meetings [06:21:05] <Error_404> the benefits of being unemployed [06:22:12] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [06:22:29] <dclarke> nighy ! [06:22:34] <dclarke> nighty ! [06:22:43] <dclarke> Error_404 : unemployed ? [06:23:01] <Error_404> unless "student" counts as employed these days [06:23:08] <dclarke> where you located ? [06:23:28] <dclarke> full time student ? [06:23:42] <Error_404> the middle of nowhere (Prince George BC) [06:23:56] <dclarke> never mind .. I have to ship you a t-shirt and .. an ODW [06:24:09] <dclarke> Prine G. [06:24:18] <Error_404> yeah, i'm a full time student, but what that means is that 12 hours a week are off limits for anything, the other metric ton are fair game [06:24:20] <dclarke> yeah .. thats almost mid nowhere [06:25:44] *** deedaw has quit IRC [06:25:47] <Error_404> meh, in about 2.5 years i'll be back in vancouver where i belong with a BSc [06:27:24] *** dunc_ has quit IRC [06:27:41] <dclarke> I wonder about the value oif a BSc anymore [06:27:59] <dclarke> just wondering [06:28:08] <dclarke> an MSc .. maybe [06:28:22] <Error_404> it's on the list [06:28:48] <dclarke> all ya need is two more years and a decent thesis [06:28:54] <dclarke> maybe three years [06:28:55] <Error_404> if UBC or SFU'll let me in (or if i can do a telecommute grad degree somewhere else) i'll do it [06:28:57] <dclarke> not sure [06:29:03] <Error_404> or uVic [06:29:19] <dclarke> business got in the way of my MSc [06:31:29] <Error_404> I'm very much an academic... I might be able to take a break for a while, but I doubt i can stay out of a classroom for more than a couple years at a time [06:31:46] <dclarke> I think that I had the same problem [06:31:53] *** BeleniX has quit IRC [06:32:03] <dclarke> so .. I never spent much time in life where I wasn't researching something [06:32:32] * LeftWing can't wait to get out. =P [06:33:46] <Error_404> I'm not really in it for the piece of paper... I could go get a job now in "the industry" if I felt like it [06:33:48] <dclarke> stay in school for life [06:34:15] <LeftWing> It depends on what day it is as to whether I'm in it for the paper or the experience. [06:34:27] <dclarke> the most horrible shock my system ever endured was the realizations that in business no one really cares if you do good work [06:34:34] <Error_404> I'm not even in it for the experience [06:34:44] <Error_404> i'm in school because i like learning [06:34:45] <dclarke> its primarily about who makes the money and who you are related to [06:34:48] <LeftWing> Well by the experience I mean the experience and the learning. =P [06:36:54] <dclarke> # metainit d99 [06:36:55] <dclarke> metainit: ganymede: /etc/lvm/md.tab line 83: d99: not enough stripes specified [06:37:04] <dclarke> hrmm .. there is a new one on me [06:37:17] <dclarke> sorry .. I brought up Solaris admin stuff .. just ignore me [06:37:23] <dclarke> back to bitchin .. [06:37:36] <LeftWing> haha [06:40:04] <dclarke> this evening I have learned that metainit can be picky .. real picky about the format of md.tab [06:40:09] <dclarke> just a word to the wise [06:40:16] <LeftWing> heh [06:40:29] <LeftWing> Down to the field delimiter characters? [06:40:43] <dclarke> do not use line continuation characters and then accidentally leave a whitespace AFTER the line continuation char [06:40:54] <LeftWing> heh [06:40:59] <dclarke> that tied me up for a while [06:41:10] <dclarke> d99 6 32 /dev/dsk/c1t101d0s0 /dev/dsk/c3t0d0s0 /dev/dsk/c1t102d0s0 \ [06:41:24] <dclarke> if there is a space or tab AFTER the \ [06:41:27] <dclarke> forget it .. [06:41:34] <dclarke> metainit barfs on it [06:41:52] <dclarke> I should fix that [06:42:11] <LeftWing> Well technically you're escaping the line-end, rather than the whitespace... =) [06:42:38] <dclarke> cmd/lvm/util/metainit.c needs to be smarted [06:42:42] <dclarke> cmd/lvm/util/metainit.c needs to be smarter [06:43:08] <gisburn> is there an env variable to turn "lint" off in an OS/net Build ? [06:43:19] <dclarke> I think that the presence of a back slash in this context at the end of a line [06:43:31] <dclarke> in which it is not followed by any non-whitespace char [06:43:40] <dclarke> means .. this is to be continued on the next line [06:45:29] <dclarke> check this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/1XcP8U89.nln.html [06:45:49] <Error_404> that's... [06:46:00] <Error_404> quite the gigantic pile of disks your sitting on there [06:46:15] <dclarke> lots o fibre [06:50:28] <dclarke> I am curious to see what throughput I get [06:51:07] <dclarke> thats impossible [06:51:14] <dclarke> how long should nbewfs take ? [06:51:23] <dclarke> newfs for 1TB ? [06:51:29] <dclarke> 20 secs ? [06:52:12] <dclarke> real 24.41 [06:52:20] <dclarke> 24 sec to newfs 1TB ? [06:52:26] <dclarke> thats .. not possible [06:53:53] <dclarke> when I newfs a 72GB filesystem it takes longer [06:54:14] <dclarke> is there some mystery Kung Fu that kicks in at 1TB or something ? :-) [06:56:07] <LeftWing> Yeah you're approaching Disk Factor 9 :P [06:56:08] <dclarke> I think I'll go back to talking about baseball .. [06:56:33] <dclarke> # mkfs -m /dev/md/rdsk/d99 [06:56:35] <dclarke> mkfs -F ufs -o nsect=128,ntrack=48,bsize=8192,fragsize=8192,cgsize=143,free=1,rps=1,nbpi=1161051,opt=t,apc=0,gap=0,nrpos=1,maxcontig=16 /dev/md/rdsk/d99 2272002048 [06:56:40] <gisburn> dclarke: do you mean the quantium-shifitng phased engine modulator used for block transfers larger than 1TB ? [06:56:52] <dclarke> yeah .. thats the one [06:56:58] <dclarke> and the flux capacitor [06:57:17] <jamesd_> when you see a hammer, you just can't wait to nail. [06:57:38] <gisburn> dclarke: maybe it just writes less index blocks for filesystems larger than 1TB ? [06:57:48] <dclarke> well .. whats weird here is that I specified other ufs params than that [06:58:43] <dclarke> this thing is lying to me [06:58:44] <bank__> MacOS is also unix? [06:59:26] <gisburn> bank__: MacOS >= 10, yes [06:59:29] <dclarke> BSD based I think [06:59:54] <Error_404> it's mach with a BSD api wrapper & BSD userspace [06:59:54] <dclarke> hrmm .. note that mkfs -m reports no such factor as nbpi [07:00:01] <dclarke> number of bytes per inode [07:01:01] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [07:01:12] <Error_404> and then a not-X11 GUI slapped on top of it all [07:01:31] <dclarke> called Aqua ? I think [07:02:00] <Elendal> Qua-Qua :-) [07:02:33] <gisburn> gaga [07:02:41] <gisburn> <bonk><bonk> [07:02:52] <gisburn> <donk><donk> [07:03:08] <bank__> :o [07:03:27] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [07:03:44] <noyb> I think we've all gone a little silly in here tonight. [07:03:46] <bank__> why x have to have 11 [07:03:48] * gisburn grabs bank__ and executes him in boiling acid to have some fun (sorry, my TV is broken) [07:03:51] <Error_404> OSX is a pretty boring UNIX with *terrible* thread performance [07:04:13] * noyb reiterates... [07:04:20] <Error_404> bank__: ? X11 ? X11 is the standard UNIX gui... also called xwindows [07:04:25] <gisburn> Error_404: only if you create&&destroy threads quickly... [07:04:31] <bank__> why it have 11 ? [07:04:34] <bank__> eleven [07:04:56] <bank__> ok now I remember gisburn != gdamore [07:05:02] <Error_404> protocol version 11 [07:05:13] * gisburn watches bank__ suffer [07:05:21] <gisburn> What a pleasure... [07:05:39] <gisburn> dclarke: ping! [07:05:47] <dclarke> pong [07:05:49] <gisburn> dclarke: when will the PCC code hit OS/Net ? [07:05:52] <gisburn> er [07:05:56] <gisburn> s/PCC/PPC/ [07:05:57] <Error_404> 6 months [07:06:04] <dclarke> maybe longer [07:06:16] <gisburn> uh [07:06:17] <gisburn> great [07:06:23] <bank__> I am currently read 24 Hr in Unix in 24 min [07:06:34] <gisburn> you may have a quicker putback whan my project =:-) [07:06:42] <gisburn> s/whan/than/ [07:07:03] <dclarke> not likely [07:07:07] <dclarke> its a long long haul [07:07:22] <gisburn> Too bad the IA64 port is dead. [07:07:35] <Error_404> revive it [07:07:43] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [07:07:50] <gisburn> Error_404: not easy. [07:08:04] <Error_404> we can piss HP and IBM off at the same time [07:08:07] <gisburn> Error_404: first I have to "prove" that opensolaris.org is suiteable for university projects. [07:08:12] <dclarke> ha ha ha [07:08:28] <gisburn> Error_404: which means I have to wait until ksh93-integraion can put some code back. [07:08:42] <gisburn> and to make it worse - the ARC case seems to be easy [07:08:54] <gisburn> the hard part is the bickering about the code [07:09:13] <gisburn> endless bickering [07:09:19] <gisburn> endless pain [07:09:24] * gisburn commits suicide for today [07:09:29] *** gisburn has quit IRC [07:10:40] *** s3tup has quit IRC [07:11:22] *** s3tup has joined #opensolaris [07:11:26] <bank__> shell programming = batch programming in windows? [07:11:39] <Error_404> but oh so much more powerful [07:11:48] <bank__> for ex. I would like to create a .. autoscript to populate data in unix .. [07:11:59] <bank__> I have to read about shell programming right? [07:12:18] <dclarke> hrmm .. I seem to have a tool problem here [07:12:23] <dclarke> Could not set length of /export/nfs/large.dat: File too large [07:12:25] <dclarke> /export/nfs/large.dat 1147925504000 bytes [07:12:42] <LeftWing> bank__: Shell programming is one way. You call also learn some Perl or Python, or some Java if what you want to do is a bigger task. [07:12:58] <LeftWing> bank__: It depends on the specific requirements for what you want to do. [07:13:38] *** nwf has quit IRC [07:13:39] * LeftWing runs away to register a trading name. [07:14:17] <bank__> umm.. before I understand what is ZFS .. Do I need to read on some .. topic? [07:14:40] <LeftWing> Reading about something is a good way to understand, yes. =P [07:16:37] <Error_404> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs [07:17:10] *** bank__ has quit IRC [07:17:30] <jamesd_> http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-zfs-for-home.html good place to start for home users [07:18:04] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [07:19:34] *** bank__ has quit IRC [07:20:44] *** noyb has left #opensolaris [07:21:05] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [07:23:23] *** bank has quit IRC [07:23:38] <dclarke> whats 62^3 [07:23:43] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [07:24:02] <dclarke> 238328 [07:24:15] <dclarke> almost a palindrome [07:24:25] <jamesd_> 238328 [07:24:48] <jamesd_> 2^128 [07:24:49] <jamesd_> 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 [07:24:49] <jamesd_> [07:25:58] <dclarke> I'm getting fairly decent IO here [07:26:03] <dclarke> md0 md1 md3 md99 [07:26:04] <dclarke> kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv kps tps serv [07:26:06] <dclarke> 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 176921 1414 21 [07:26:16] <dclarke> 170MB/sec more or less [07:26:50] *** bank has quit IRC [07:29:16] <Tpenta> sparc/x64 nd encumbered bins have been pushed to dlc.sun.com [07:29:27] <Tpenta> I havenot yet tested the sparc [07:30:03] <dclarke> I'll find them in 20061002 ? [07:30:34] <Tpenta> yup [07:30:58] <dclarke> thanks ! [07:31:16] <dclarke> now comes the big question .. can I stomach a build on a Sun Ultra 2 ? :-) [07:31:23] <Tpenta> :) [07:31:51] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [07:32:57] *** xbank has joined #opensolaris [07:33:31] <dclarke> wow .. my heart just went bonkers .. hasn't done that in a long long while [07:33:36] <jamesd_> dclarke, sure... start it building and go annoy^Wsleep the mrs. [07:33:43] *** Trinisan has joined #opensolaris [07:34:05] <Tpenta> oops I didn't do the MD5sums files [07:34:12] <dclarke> again ! [07:34:15] <dclarke> ha [07:35:57] <Tpenta> ok, done [07:36:14] *** Trinisan1 has quit IRC [07:38:01] <Tpenta> http://blogs.sun.com/tpenta/entry/non_debug_encumbered_binaries_available1 [07:38:44] <dclarke> ambarassing ? [07:38:51] <dclarke> did I spell your name wrong ? [07:38:54] <dclarke> :-) [07:39:38] <Tpenta> no, thanks for the mention :) [07:39:53] <Tpenta> embarassing as in getting mentioned, but thanks for doing so [07:40:03] *** vigos has quit IRC [07:40:06] <Tpenta> my management has seen it :) [07:41:15] <dclarke> well damn right ! [07:41:50] <Tpenta> :) [07:42:16] <dclarke> well expeect more of that :-) [07:42:35] <dclarke> my comment on your blog [07:42:38] <dclarke> Alan, I swear, you are one of the most productive guys in the whole OpenSolaris world and you deserve all the credit for your hard work. This really does change the way we will build our distros from here on in. Thats commonly referred to as a paradigm shift in thinking and procedure. Thanks Alan ! [07:43:18] <Tpenta> :) thanks dennis [07:43:18] <dclarke> I think I'll update the home page at Blastwave to point to your blog okay ? [07:43:25] <Tpenta> sure [07:43:27] <dclarke> as well as a note on genunix.org [07:43:34] <dclarke> and maybe sunhelp.org [07:43:44] <dclarke> actually .. I have a login to sunhelp.org [07:43:51] <Tpenta> I should probably update the README that I put in there before b50 t opoint at your info as well [07:43:55] <dclarke> I should go post a new update on the ppc stuff [07:44:08] <dclarke> as well as non-debug builds [07:44:19] <dclarke> non-debug builds are the way to go .. no doubt [07:44:33] <Tpenta> :) just don't ask me to dtart doing ppc ones yet :) [07:44:41] <dclarke> I need to clarify that steps in skipping over the master Makefile change [07:45:04] <dclarke> ha ha .. geez .. it will be a while before we have a bloody shell prompt there [07:45:18] <Tpenta> the change i make in the Makefile recognises teh RELEASE_BUILD is set and expects to find teh closed bins in a different dir; renaming it makes the change moot [07:46:19] <dclarke> right .. I just think I should be more clear in my little verbose write up [07:48:04] <dclarke> okay .. I now need to do a few things here [07:48:10] <dclarke> what time is it [07:48:21] <dclarke> geez [07:48:26] <dclarke> 01:47 AM [07:48:35] <dclarke> people must wonder if I sleep at all [07:48:51] <dclarke> so whats your management doing looking at the blastwave site ? [07:48:52] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [07:49:08] <dclarke> just surfing I guess :-) [07:49:13] <Tpenta> I mailed them the url ;) [07:49:20] <dclarke> ah ha [07:49:35] <dclarke> I think I'll check with Google analyitics .. see what it says [07:49:54] <dclarke> thats to the now fixed Sun-DOS crus I am back down to 25,000 hits a day or so [07:50:05] <dclarke> thanks to the .. [07:50:52] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [07:58:50] *** bank__ has joined #opensolaris [08:01:56] *** NilsAN has quit IRC [08:02:37] *** NilsAN has joined #opensolaris [08:05:13] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [08:06:49] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [08:07:59] *** Sir-Al has quit IRC [08:08:32] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Zr69Sq80.nln.html [08:08:38] <dclarke> strange IO numbers [08:09:10] <asyd> hi dclarke [08:09:18] <dclarke> hello [08:09:26] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [08:10:16] *** xbank has quit IRC [08:10:58] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:11:03] <dclarke> is there a way to get precise timing data about a file ? its time of creation ? [08:11:06] <dclarke> modtime etc ? [08:11:46] <twincest> utime() [08:11:54] <twincest> hmm no that's wrong [08:12:03] <twincest> utimes() [08:12:09] <twincest> gives you a struct timeval [08:12:22] <dclarke> microsec data ? [08:12:36] <dclarke> I'll check the data type [08:12:41] <twincest> yes, msec [08:12:58] <dclarke> usec << msec [08:14:22] <twincest> sorry, i mean usec [08:14:37] <dclarke> no prob .. I got it [08:14:40] <dclarke> cool ! [08:15:03] <twincest> i don't think all filesystems store that information btw [08:15:12] <twincest> ufs and zfs will but odd things like iso9660 probably dont [08:15:29] <dclarke> this is ufs [08:15:35] <dclarke> so no prob I think [08:18:57] *** Dar_HOME is now known as Dar [08:28:52] <dclarke> # Oct 4 02:27:57 ganymede ufs: NOTICE: /export/nfs: out of inodes [08:29:03] <dclarke> cool :-) [08:29:08] <twincest> 1TB UFS only has few inodes [08:29:28] <dclarke> now there is an error I didn't see cominog [08:29:29] *** slowhog has quit IRC [08:29:38] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:29:42] <dclarke> I tried to newfs -b 8192 -i 2048 [08:30:29] <dclarke> # df -t /export/nfs [08:30:30] <dclarke> /export/nfs (/dev/md/dsk/d99 ): 2125281024 blocks 0 files [08:30:31] <dclarke> total: 2271629536 blocks 1158528 files [08:30:34] <dclarke> geez .. [08:32:40] <dclarke> is this a joke ? [08:32:48] <dclarke> # mount -F ufs /dev/md/dsk/d99 /export/nfs [08:32:50] <dclarke> # df -t /export/nfs [08:32:51] <dclarke> /export/nfs (/dev/md/dsk/d99 ): 2271498416 blocks 1158524 files [08:32:53] <dclarke> total: 2271629536 blocks 1158528 files [08:33:00] <dclarke> after a newfs .. still not a lot of inodes [08:34:11] <dclarke> ah well .. time to call it a day [08:34:18] <dclarke> night all ! [08:34:23] <Peanut> Good morning [08:34:24] <Tpenta> just quickly [08:34:25] *** dclarke is now known as dclarke_ZZZzzz [08:34:28] <Peanut> Night, dclarke_ZZZzzz [08:34:30] <dclarke_ZZZzzz> yes ? [08:34:33] <Tpenta> managed to finally upload a current foto onto blog [08:34:39] *** dclarke_ZZZzzz is now known as dclarke [08:34:52] <Tpenta> :) [08:35:05] <dclarke> what about the wild bushman pic ? [08:35:10] <dclarke> with the cool hat ? [08:35:14] <Tpenta> i don't have that hair anymore [08:35:34] <dclarke> well there ya are [08:35:39] <Tpenta> g'nite dennis [08:35:42] <dclarke> all respectable looking and such [08:35:53] <Tpenta> and grey [08:36:02] <dclarke> now .. now I can sleep the sound soft sleep of those peaceful that the world is right and in safe hands ! [08:36:07] <dclarke> :-) [08:36:11] <Tpenta> g'nite [08:36:20] <dclarke> nighty y'all ! [08:36:27] *** dclarke is now known as dclarke_ZZZzzz [08:37:25] *** dunc has quit IRC [08:38:24] *** Elendal has quit IRC [08:39:26] *** udos has quit IRC [08:41:15] <tsoome> moin [08:44:23] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [08:50:38] *** tsoome has quit IRC [08:52:42] *** bank__ has quit IRC [08:53:13] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [08:54:29] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [08:56:53] <bank> hi [08:57:49] <dunc> hello [08:57:58] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [08:58:10] <Sir-Al> hi [09:02:37] *** mr_goose has quit IRC [09:03:05] <bank> ZFS , FAT32 , NTFS this all are file system? [09:03:33] <bank> After I install SXCR .. is that already use ZFS? [09:05:02] <Tpenta> assuming you have some disk for it [09:06:47] <bank> Do I need to call zpool .. [09:06:55] <Tpenta> yes [09:07:00] <Tpenta> have a look at the man page for it [09:07:23] <Tpenta> you'll need to do something like zpool create poolname disk1 disk2 ...diskn [09:07:37] <bank> Ok, but .. why or when do I need ZFS? [09:07:51] <bank> After install solaris ... everything work .. [09:08:03] <bank> I have one Harddisk. [09:08:07] *** Mazon is now known as mazon [09:08:08] <bank> and create several zones. [09:08:11] <Tpenta> when you want the features from it. I use it with a single slice in the pool on my notebook so I can get snapshots, compression, rollback, clones [09:08:42] <Tpenta> with one disk, you are not going to get the redundancy features, but you can get the others [09:10:16] <Sir-Al> zfs is awesome [09:10:37] <bank> for ex . # zfs create tank/home/ahrens # zfs create tank/home/bonwick # zfs create tank/home/billm ....... What this different from .. create new directory? [09:10:59] <asyd> you can set differentes properties [09:11:16] <Tpenta> that creates a new filesystem for each and you can then do per filesystem type things like quotas, reservartions, snapshots on that basis [09:11:39] <Tpenta> you can also blow it away quickly ;) zfs destroy tank.dir [09:11:49] <Tpenta> i do that with temporary build environments [09:12:06] <asyd> :) [09:12:37] <bank> I don't understand that ... what is it difference from ordinary folder? when do I use it. [09:12:50] <asyd> for the end user ? more or less none [09:12:57] <bank> for ex. there are virtual host on apache map to each dir . Do I need ZFS? [09:13:29] <bank> umm ... I am kind of end user . [09:13:40] <bank> but would like to understand. [09:13:51] <Tpenta> one of the really cool features for end user is snapshots [09:14:02] <Tpenta> zero time - small space snapshotting [09:14:12] <asyd> +1 [09:14:20] <Tpenta> so you want to make a change but arer not sure, take a snapshot of the directory. if you don't like your change you can roll it back [09:14:24] *** mazon is now known as Mazon [09:14:26] <asyd> imho THE feature is 'rollback' [09:14:43] <Tpenta> dynamic compression is noce on the notebook too [09:15:01] <Tpenta> s/noce/nice/p [09:15:34] <bank> What is "mirrored pool" [09:15:56] <Tpenta> where the pool is run off mirrored disks. every filesystem you make from that pool will be mirrored [09:16:14] <asyd> bank: don't you want try to read some doc before ask 'stupid' questions ? ;p [09:16:26] <Tpenta> the questions are not stupid [09:16:36] <Tpenta> if someone wants to find out things I am more than happy to answer what i can [09:17:00] <bank> sorry. I never know. I don't know from RAID. pool , ZFS .. I just exploring around zfs at opensol last ten minute [09:17:08] <asyd> ok, sorry./ [09:17:10] <bank> I only use window before. [09:17:15] <Tpenta> :) [09:17:30] <Tpenta> although, a good place to start would be the zfs open solaris community pages [09:19:00] <bank> My background is .. I am window users. just install first time sol in last month. When I use windows I just create folder. I know that file system is NTFS. and that is . [09:20:24] <bank> In the slide will talk about FS and Volumn that replace with ZFS and pool [09:20:51] <bank> this pool is the same as ... pooladm? [09:21:11] <Tpenta> are you familiar at all with the temp filesystem in solaris? [09:21:37] <Tpenta> where you have one big pool of memory and from it you can create a number of different ram based filesystems [09:21:44] <Tpenta> think of a zfs pool like that [09:21:57] <Tpenta> when you create a filesystem, any file that you create takes blocks from the pool [09:22:44] <bank> sorry, what do you mean temp filesystem,. is that /tmp ? [09:22:51] <Tpenta> yes [09:23:18] <Tpenta> think of the pool as a source of disk blocks. [09:23:36] <Tpenta> when you need a block in a filesystem created on that pool, it grabs one from the common pool [09:23:47] <Tpenta> when you free a block it goes back to the pool [09:23:58] <Tpenta> zfs filesystems are not created with a max size. [09:24:14] <Tpenta> if you use all of teh blocks in a pool, you can add more disk to it [09:24:36] <bank> sorry, initially after install SXCR Do I have a common pool? [09:24:45] <Tpenta> no [09:24:48] <Tpenta> you have to create one [09:25:00] <Tpenta> currently solaris installs on ufs [09:25:12] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [09:25:16] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [09:27:29] <bank> the things you describe above is commonly occur in any type of FS right? and you state that I need to create a first ZFS pool. [09:28:26] <bank> is that a disk means physical harddisk ? [09:28:36] <Tpenta> no it's not common in any fs at all [09:28:43] <Tpenta> or a slice/partition [09:30:51] <bank> it 's gonna stupid question. [09:31:48] <bank> but .. you said intially I need to create a ZFS pool. [09:32:09] <Tpenta> yes [09:32:14] <bank> and you describe the temp filesystem in solaris? where you have one big pool of memory . and from it you can create a number of different ram based filesystems [09:33:40] <bank> What do you mean here ... initially temp filesystem = big pool of memory where I can start create a ZFS ( is kind of ram based filesystems )? [09:33:57] <Tpenta> i shouldnt have mentioned it, i was trying to give a metaphor [09:34:21] <Tpenta> ignore what I said about temp fs [09:35:09] <bank> ok...... [09:35:24] <bank> I will exploring more. [09:35:32] <bank> thank you. Tpenta [09:35:41] <Tpenta> scroll back to what I was saying about a source of disk blocks that the filesystem can draw on [09:35:49] <Tpenta> :) [09:36:14] <bank> pool = resource pool right? [09:36:26] <bank> the same things that was talking in the Solaris Containers docs. [09:36:36] <Tpenta> not really [09:37:43] <bank> oh sorry resourse pool may means CPU. [09:38:00] <Tpenta> cpu and memory [09:38:31] <bank> storage pool/ ok [09:38:38] <Tpenta> :) [09:39:37] <Tpenta> just think of a zfs pool as somewhere that filesystems created on top of that pool can source and free blocks to/from [09:39:58] <Tpenta> like a "free-list" [09:40:24] <Tpenta> and this "free-list" can be created on top of a single disk/slice, a mirror, a concat or a raid configuration [09:46:19] *** s3tup has quit IRC [09:48:42] <bank> Tpenta: Does this is a useful situation .. create a zfs pool called AS ... then install AS on this and deploy some apps on AS.. then I can keep snapshot of each deployment version .. all System use case , assets ... [09:48:52] <bank> is this the benefit? or the right way to use? [09:51:38] <bank> Oh I c... people use zfs to clone zones. [09:51:43] <bank> thank you tpenta. [09:53:00] <Tpenta> that's one use [09:54:04] <Tpenta> as an example, I have a workspace that I am using for building the encumbered binaries for open solaris, whenever a new build is released internally, I create a snapshot at that build before syncing up with the formal build. That way if I stuff something up, I can back it out [09:54:09] <Tpenta> and not have lost 6 months work [09:54:35] <bank> is this different from SVN. [09:54:50] <Tpenta> oh yes. It's different from everything out there [09:54:55] <bank> sorry if out of scope. [09:55:02] <Tpenta> :) [09:58:45] *** s3tup has joined #opensolaris [10:10:06] *** Gman has quit IRC [10:10:07] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [10:10:28] *** triplah has joined #opensolaris [10:10:49] *** Gman has joined #opensolaris [10:10:50] *** alanc_away has joined #opensolaris [10:14:37] *** damienc has joined #opensolaris [10:22:42] *** joobie has joined #opensolaris [10:23:51] <joobie> Hi Guys.. Just curious if anyone here has completed their CISSP? [10:30:06] *** |ReIkO| has joined #opensolaris [10:30:09] <|ReIkO|> morning all [10:34:41] *** BeleniX has joined #opensolaris [10:40:21] *** BeleniX has quit IRC [10:46:09] *** yarihm has joined #OpenSolaris [10:47:28] <sickness> morning all [10:50:17] <jmcp> I had an insight today as I was driving home ... since I've got a copy of tarantella installed at home, I could connect to it from my office .. .and keep in touch with everybody :) [10:50:36] <trygvis> tarantella? [10:50:47] <jmcp> secure global desktop [10:51:11] <trygvis> ah, cool [10:51:53] <s3tup> jmcp : url ? [10:52:04] <jmcp> look for SGD on sun.com [10:52:16] <Tpenta> hi james [10:52:23] <jmcp> hi Tpenta [10:52:25] <s3tup> k [10:52:37] <Tpenta> seen today's blog? [10:52:42] <jmcp> I also found http://wiki.osx86project.org [10:52:43] <jmcp> Tpenta: not yet [10:52:49] * jmcp reads [10:52:54] <Tpenta> sparc [10:53:03] <jmcp> duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude!!!! [10:53:10] * jmcp channels CA-surferdude [10:53:23] <jmcp> Tpenta: well done [10:53:29] *** Yamaraj has joined #opensolaris [10:53:42] <Tpenta> just had a few fun and games bootstrapping onbld what wit hthe version i need and the SS11 compilers [10:54:18] * jmcp nods [10:54:43] <jmcp> I'm seriously thinking about blatting my laptop and putting OSX on it, then acquiring Parallels so I can run solaris and XP [10:55:14] <Tpenta> jmcp would you and J be interested in www.coastfest.org? They are still in desperate need of volunteers and for 8 hours volunteering you get free entry [10:55:15] <bank> What sgd differ from x11vnc? [10:55:43] <jmcp> bank: I can connect to windows RDP servers with it [10:55:49] <jmcp> Tpenta: perusing .... [10:56:05] <Tpenta> short notice as it's this weekend [10:57:13] <jmcp> Tpenta: I think we're supposed to be going down to cbr to see our nephew [10:57:31] <Tpenta> fair enuff [10:57:44] <Yamaraj> jmcp: How different is Parellels from VMware? I wish I could run OSX on my ThinkPad. [10:57:44] <Tpenta> i am going to be spending the weekend in the tavern either stage managing or driving a mixing desk [10:57:51] <jmcp> Yamaraj: dunno [10:58:11] <jmcp> Yamaraj: have a look at www.osx86project.org - you might be pleasantly surprised [11:00:08] <Yamaraj> jmcp: I did take a look there. Folks from forum.thinkpads.com have tried OSX on many ThinkPads and found it wasn't working very smoothly. [11:00:11] <s3tup> hmm [11:00:14] <jmcp> bummer [11:00:30] <s3tup> i never tried OSX :P [11:00:45] <bank> I am really bored with people who walk behind my desk and staring at monitor what I'm reading. Although I close those windows they come closer !:( [11:00:47] <dwc-> overrated, imo [11:01:00] * s3tup wonders if OSX can runs on his thinkpad T21 [11:01:12] <jmcp> bank: tell them politely and firmly to not do that, because it's very rude [11:02:07] <Tpenta> interesting letter from jonathan to the SEC (quoted on his blog) [11:02:38] <bank> you know yesterday I read book in front of computer. He come to my desk grab the book and look at cover what I am reading [11:02:41] <bank> :( I am angry! [11:03:04] <Yamaraj> bank: Keep a brass knuckleduster handy. [11:03:13] <jmcp> bank: not surprising. Personally, I'd be thumping that person, because not only is that behaviour rude, it's antisocial [11:03:43] <bank> antisocial?!? [11:03:59] <Yamaraj> Breach of privacy, of course. [11:04:36] <jmcp> bank: going against what are socially accepted ways of behaving [11:04:39] <jmcp> Tpenta: yes, *very* interesting [11:04:46] <jmcp> Tpenta: about bloody time too [11:05:09] <Tpenta> some very interesting comments too [11:05:50] * jmcp reads the comments too [11:08:11] *** MattMan has joined #opensolaris [11:09:04] *** vigos has joined #opensolaris [11:09:14] <bank> sorry. I not sure I interpret that correctly. [11:09:20] <bank> Do you mean I am antisocial? [11:09:31] <jmcp> bank: no, the person who grabbed your book is antisocial [11:09:43] <bank> oh ok. [11:09:47] <Tpenta> he means the person who picked your book out of your hands was antisocial [11:10:01] *** avarab has joined #opensolaris [11:10:11] <Yamaraj> bank: BTW, which book was it? ;-) [11:10:20] <bank> Use Cases [11:10:25] <bank> A blueprint and patterns [11:10:32] * jmcp runs away screaming from the UMLisms [11:10:55] <bank> I try to extract some Use case , interaction blueprint from company SUCs. [11:11:01] <bank> :O jmcp!! [11:11:21] <bank> yeah. .. I am UMLisms. .. [11:11:30] <jmcp> bank: I had to do an OODesign subject last year ... it was painful [11:12:00] <jmcp> the lecturer had *no* idea about software engineering, and didn't really appreciate my cynical comment that UML diagrams are what you produce when you're trying to avoid writing code [11:12:07] <bank> oh... no!! less painful than try to understand solaris kernal developer talking [11:12:14] <jmcp> ha! [11:12:24] <bank> :P just kidding. [11:12:35] <bank> cynical comment. [11:12:49] <jmcp> heck, I'm nowhere near as in-depth as some of the folks who contributed to Solaris Internals 2nd edition [11:12:50] <bank> Oh I remember this sentence. [11:13:04] <bank> you ever said UML is done when you didn't want to work. [11:13:29] <jmcp> :) [11:14:06] <bank> so what the lecturer reply. [11:14:11] <Yamaraj> OO is over-hyped, over-used and too bloated. [11:14:32] <Yamaraj> Sorry, couldn't resist! [11:14:35] <bank> oh no! I become am unaccpetable person.!! [11:15:04] <jmcp> not at all [11:16:01] <bank> I moving from .. I ever use visual basic since 1999. and then in 2000 I leave from IT stuff and read biology. [11:16:29] <bank> in the 2004-2005 I back to IT again. working with C# and java. Then I realize that .. [11:17:37] <bank> I may need to move to Design level. [11:18:21] <bank> I feel bored and tired to developing ... [11:18:47] <bank> UMLisms may be solution :P [11:19:09] <bank> * bank feel that he is lonely and everyone was run away. [11:20:46] <jmcp> Tpenta: my u20m2 has shipped from the us ... finally! [11:21:09] <Peanut> jmcp: nice! :) [11:21:17] <jmcp> yeah! [11:21:24] <jmcp> I expect it to arrive next week some time [11:21:35] <bank> jmcp: :( [11:21:36] *** peteh has quit IRC [11:21:52] <jmcp> bank: I ordered it in August [11:22:16] *** avar has quit IRC [11:22:56] <bank> err .. By the way, what is that [11:23:01] <bank> u20m2 [11:23:12] *** kimc has joined #opensolaris [11:23:18] <bank> hi kimc [11:23:23] <jmcp> bank: ultra20 m2 workstation [11:23:25] <kimc> hi bank [11:23:27] <Peanut> Sun Ultra 20 workstation with the new AMD socket [11:23:36] * jmcp searches for the url [11:24:09] <jmcp> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/index.xml [11:27:18] <bank> :) [11:27:29] <bank> I buy this three month ago http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/x2100/ [11:28:02] <bank> First sun product that I buy .. [11:28:33] <bank> jmcp : Do you feel that it is noisy? [11:28:57] <jmcp> I saw moazamraja's short video of the x2100 ... it's incredibly loud [11:29:05] <bank> lol [11:29:36] <bank> I am glad to hear that. :D [11:30:16] * Stric couldn't care less if a rackmounted server is loud :P [11:30:40] <Yamaraj> How much does X2100 M2 cost? (Not the retail) [11:30:47] <Stric> but we might be buying 3* x2200m2's.. (or rather.. buy 2, get 1 more) [11:31:13] <Peanut> That sounds like a sweet deal, Stric [11:32:04] <Stric> edu matching grant.. it's usually "buy 1, get 1 more".. [11:32:52] *** Yamaraj has quit IRC [11:36:39] <bank> oh jmcp : ordered in aug .. why so long .. [11:37:02] <jmcp> there was some holdup with getting parts to the factory [11:37:07] <jmcp> normally they ship quite fast [11:37:32] <bank> I made a wrong decision to safe money by didn't order DVD internal drive. [11:37:47] <bank> very wrong decision! [11:38:24] <bank> I have a problem along the way. learn some painful to use PXE.. , try external drive from friends. [11:38:28] <kleppari> wtf? a thousand bucks for that box? [11:38:39] <kleppari> ...build quality? [11:40:32] <bank> no because of my fool . [11:40:37] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [11:41:09] <bank> Sell person she is very awful, She don't know I need slide rails.! 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[12:46:40] *** golqm-noob has quit IRC [12:47:52] <jmcp> bank: employment? I'm working at a telco putting server designs together [12:47:58] <jmcp> not what I really want to do [12:48:54] <bank> no nooo. [12:49:03] <bank> What are you currently doing? [12:50:13] <bank> may be wrong grammar :( [12:50:56] <jmcp> oh, right [12:51:06] <jmcp> nah, that's just the imprecise english language [12:51:27] <jmcp> I'm playing with tarantella / Sun Secure Global Desktop and thinking about the next step to take with my smbus driver project [12:52:07] *** golqm-noob has joined #opensolaris [12:53:17] <bank> Ahh ok. [13:02:00] <|ReIkO|> naples tarantella [13:02:34] <|ReIkO|> I'm @ naples now [13:02:56] *** MattMan is now known as MattAFC [13:03:31] <jmcp> I've got a friend from Brisbane connected in to my box via tarantella, and he's using realplayer to get streaming radio from my isp [13:04:50] <bank> I see. was acquired [13:06:20] <Peanut> jmcp: that sounds quite impressive [13:06:29] <jmcp> yeah :) [13:06:40] <Peanut> How does tarantella work with SunRay? [13:06:41] <jmcp> and in a fortnight I'll have adsl2/2+ so it won't be quite so hard on my link [13:07:42] <jmcp> dunno [13:10:02] <bank> it's look expensive. [13:13:28] * Peanut is off to build rockets - have a lovely afternoon all ;-) [13:22:24] *** bank has quit IRC [13:39:28] *** BeleniX has joined #opensolaris [13:40:19] <BeleniX> When running rem_drv moduleName I sometimes get a message Driver (modulName) not installed. Is there a way to get a list of drivers which are instelled ? [13:40:28] <BeleniX> installed ? [13:41:14] <jmcp> not as such, no [13:41:23] <jmcp> you could check the contents of /etc/name_to_major though [13:41:37] <jmcp> modinfo tells you what's installed in the currently-running kernel [13:45:02] *** qbit has joined #opensolaris [13:45:09] <BeleniX> jmcp, I of course know about modinfo [13:45:25] <jmcp> so check /etc/name_to_major for the driver name [13:45:28] <BeleniX> But a driver can be installed [13:45:35] <BeleniX> yet not running ! [13:45:52] <jmcp> I don't understand what your problem is [13:46:08] <BeleniX> so rem_drv will can say it is installed yet modinfo will not say it runs [13:46:29] <BeleniX> what is the meaning of installed ? any pointer? [13:47:13] <jmcp> "installed" means "there is an entry for $driver in /etc/name_to_major" [13:59:56] *** piwi has joined #opensolaris [14:09:25] <richlowe> "or associated", I believe. 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[17:34:32] <laca> good, good... busy as usual [17:34:45] <hile_> I know that feeling... [17:34:53] <hile_> I'm not so busy right yet, waiting on hardware [17:35:37] <jteo> new toys coy? [17:36:12] <hile_> picked up a SAN gateway so I can drop my bot on the SAN [17:36:21] <hile_> bastards forgot to toss the terminators in the box [17:36:28] *** peteh has joined #opensolaris [17:38:24] *** Vas has joined #opensolaris [17:38:48] <Vas> does SSL exist on solaris 10 already or I have to download and install ? [17:39:20] <asyd> if by SSL you mean openssl, /usr/sfw/bin/openssl [17:39:44] <Vas> asyd, sweet....thanks [17:41:26] <Vas> asyd , so if I want to compile apache2 with SSL, do I use something like --with-ssl=/usr/sfw ? [17:41:52] *** tsoome has quit IRC [17:42:20] <asyd> well, solaris comes with apache2 with SSL support. But if you want your apache2, probably yes [17:42:42] * asyd doesn't compile softwares by hand, that's for people who have a lot of time to waste :P [17:42:56] <Vas> :) [17:43:17] <Vas> ok, let me check the modules with the pre-compiled apache [17:45:39] *** dunc is now known as d|unker [17:45:49] *** steve1 has joined #opensolaris [17:47:44] <quasi> Vas: if you get a recent enough apache, it should find openssl on solaris 10 as well (I just can't remember if it is only trunk or also backported to 2.2) [17:48:08] <bank__> ... [17:48:35] *** stevel has quit IRC [17:48:56] *** steve1 has quit IRC [17:49:34] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [17:49:34] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [17:50:19] *** calum_ has joined #opensolaris [17:50:24] <Vas> ok thanks quasi [17:50:30] *** calumb has quit IRC [17:52:52] *** solarisjon has joined #opensolaris [17:53:39] *** tsoome has joined #opensolaris [17:54:04] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [17:54:31] <Vas> is libiconv pre-installed somewhere on sol10 as well ? [17:54:42] <Vas> did a find in /usr/sfw , couldn't find it [17:54:49] *** MattMan has quit IRC [17:55:14] <asyd> /bin/iconv [17:56:44] *** Vanuatoo has quit IRC [17:57:14] *** Vanuatoo has joined #opensolaris [17:57:18] <tsoome> Vas: iconv is integrated with libc [17:59:44] *** richlowe has joined #opensolaris [17:59:56] <jteo> wb richlowe. [18:03:25] *** alanc_away is now known as alanc [18:05:04] <richlowe> Hi jteo. [18:17:29] *** ndroux has joined #opensolaris [18:20:00] *** jteo has quit IRC [18:21:11] *** jteo has joined #opensolaris [18:21:29] <jteo> nights all. [18:21:52] *** djgregor has quit IRC [18:22:01] *** ndroux has quit IRC [18:23:04] <bank__> night [18:24:01] <bank__> em.. I configure BIND on sol, when I traceroute [18:24:10] <bank__> traceroute to mail.bank.com (x.x.x.219) [18:24:11] <bank__> 1 bank(x.x.x.218) [18:24:26] <bank__> I dunno why .. it back to 218 .. [18:24:33] *** sommerfeld has joined #opensolaris [18:24:33] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sommerfeld [18:24:48] *** axisys has joined #opensolaris [18:25:21] <axisys> bgpd is builtin ? [18:26:13] *** sgnut has joined #opensolaris [18:26:19] *** d|unker is now known as dunc [18:29:30] <sgnut> my fucking boss has deleted a file in a development server. Is there any utility for recover files in a UFS filesystem (I have unmounted the partition after the deletion) [18:30:30] <dunc> ufsrestore? :) [18:30:52] <sgnut> dunc: lool... ok ok... I'm newer in the solaris world, I come from GNU/Linux :D [18:31:07] <dunc> have you called your boss many names yet? [18:31:14] <sgnut> dunc: thanx... I will see the man page tomorrow [18:31:28] <dunc> i'm only joking, that assumes u previously backed up with ufsdump [18:31:41] <dunc> i don't think there's 'undelete' or anything like that [18:31:48] <sgnut> dunc: oh [18:31:54] <hile_> signut: restore from backups [18:32:10] <sgnut> I don't have backup of this file [18:32:23] <sgnut> I have backups from the other files except this one :'( [18:32:24] <hile_> you lose [18:32:27] <sgnut> shit [18:32:42] <sgnut> well cat is my only friend then [18:32:48] <sgnut> it's a bash script... [18:33:13] <dunc> that's funny, coz they say that dogs are man's best friend [18:33:23] <dunc> (dog is also cat but better btw) [18:33:24] <sgnut> looooooool [18:33:41] *** slowhog has joined #opensolaris [18:33:56] <sgnut> dunc: fucking bosses... alway the make the work of the others more difficult [18:34:06] <dunc> yep [18:34:35] <sgnut> I have search in google and it seems that there are some recover utilities [18:34:42] <sgnut> I dunno if they work ok [18:34:48] <dunc> NAME [18:34:49] <dunc> dog - better than cat [18:34:50] <dunc> :) [18:35:01] <dunc> u can dog <URL> n stuff [18:35:59] <sgnut> well it's time to rest... I'm at home now... it's no time to think in work [18:36:56] <dunc> fair enough [18:37:38] <sgnut> thanx for ur info dunc :) [18:37:48] <dunc> it's ok, i didn't really help though :) [18:38:24] <sgnut> dunc: well I didn't know the dog utility :P [18:38:32] <bank__> I modify foolbar.com ... when I ping to foolbar.com .. it still use the old ip. I disable and reeanble svcadm enable dns/server again. but .. it still the use old ip and ping not found for new subdomain ... [18:39:24] <sgnut> bank__: is in the same lan the machine and the server? [18:39:31] <sgnut> bank__: maybe an arp cached mac address? [18:39:57] <trygvis> bank__: use something like nslookup to query the server directly [18:40:02] <bank__> subdomain map to local-zone [18:40:13] <sgnut> bank__: mmm [18:40:24] <sgnut> bank__: what reports host foolbar.com? [18:41:02] <bank__> ** server can't find localzone.globalzone.com: NXDOMAIN [18:41:29] <sgnut> bank__: host -a foolbar.com? [18:42:13] <bank__> everything look correctly .. except no newly added subdomain. [18:42:31] <sgnut> bank__: mmm strage [18:42:33] <sgnut> strange [18:42:51] <stevel> did you update the serial # on the new table? [18:42:58] <bank__> Oh...NEver! [18:43:13] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [18:43:14] <bank__> I will do that. wait a moment. [18:43:37] <dwc-> aaand, the #1 dns mistake strikes again! [18:44:50] <dwc-> restarting the server should give you the new zone maps though ... anything with it cached won't pick it up though [18:45:32] <bank__> 2006100401 ; DB Serial Number [18:46:44] <bank__> svcadm restart dns/server [18:47:58] <bank__> :( it still not aware the new subdomain. [18:48:04] <bank__> Do I need to wait some minutes? [18:48:52] <bank__> Oh I can ping those now. but host -a kranular.com still show the old results. [18:49:32] <dwc-> do you have nscd running? [18:49:44] <Error_404> what the shit? it's snowing [18:50:10] <bank__> pardon , what is nscd? [18:50:15] <bank__> name service ... cd ... [18:50:20] <dwc-> cache [18:50:31] <jamesd_> dwc-, the number one mistake is failing to put a . at the end of every domain name... most people don't have slaves so serial numbers are not a problem usually. [18:50:33] <bank__> err.. I don't know .. [18:50:36] *** peteh has quit IRC [18:50:56] <bank__> yes yes I check that and fixed that already. [18:51:07] <bank__> I can do nslookup , ping. [18:51:16] <Error_404> jamesd_: you don't have slaves? [18:51:32] <jamesd_> Error_404, i do but most people dont [18:51:34] <Error_404> jamesd_: how do you get your tobacco picked then? [18:51:59] <dwc-> jamesd_: regardless of slaves or no slaves, if you don't increment your serial, updates won't get noticed by servers that have it cached until the zone expires [18:52:49] <dwc-> and you don't need a . at the end of every entry. only the ones that are outside your origin [18:52:56] <jamesd_> dwc-, servers don't use serial numbers they use TTL's serial numbers are only important for slaves. [18:53:24] <Error_404> another term for "slave" is "grad student", apparantly [18:54:25] <bank__> thank you sgnut, stevel trygvis. [18:58:05] <bank__> slaves. [18:58:30] <bank__> oh ok thank you . [18:58:41] *** laca is now known as lacaLNCH [18:59:08] *** damienc has quit IRC [18:59:55] <bank__> :D [19:02:08] *** alanc is now known as alanc_away [19:02:29] *** sgnut has quit IRC [19:03:30] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [19:05:02] <bank__> dwc [19:05:42] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [19:06:21] *** Kitty has joined #opensolaris [19:06:24] <bank__> em.. I ever listen someone , He said that " how will you benefit from smf it you install like that" , bank: apache 0. gunzip , tar xvf 1. ../configure 2. make & make install [19:06:59] <Error_404> you know apache's already installed, yes? [19:07:04] <bank__> yes .. [19:07:11] <bank__> then? ... [19:07:22] <bank__> I think it is old apache version 1 [19:07:28] <bank__> I ever start it. [19:07:43] <Error_404> no, it's apache2 [19:08:04] <Error_404> all you need to do is create /etc/apache2/httpd.conf [19:08:46] *** adp has quit IRC [19:08:50] <bank__> so he/she mean to use "svcadm [ ] apache2" command [19:08:59] <bank__> if I install manually. what wil happen [19:09:07] <bank__> I can not use svcadm with that? [19:09:20] <Error_404> you can, but you'd need to create the manifest first [19:09:21] <bank__> for ex. I have newer verison. [19:10:09] <bank__> ok. [19:10:32] <bank__> sorry If this is stupid question .... Does init.d start differ from svcadm enable ? [19:10:37] <Error_404> yes [19:10:47] <Error_404> err, rc.X stuff does [19:11:06] <bank__> err... [19:11:15] <Error_404> svcadm uses the SMF database for environment variables, start methods, etc [19:11:30] <bank__> ok.. i will search about manifest on google. [19:11:31] <Error_404> init.d is just a shell script that starts whatever [19:13:04] <bank__> I plan to .. create a storage pool then associate those zone with pools then use smf to help manage service .. [19:13:19] <bank__> Are there .. anything else you want to add? [19:13:35] <Error_404> add to what? [19:13:53] <bank__> err... dunno. just ask [19:14:00] <bank__> nothing. [19:14:03] <bank__> I will try that. [19:14:57] *** Sir-Al has quit IRC [19:15:20] *** dunc has quit IRC [19:17:33] *** bank__ has quit IRC [19:23:19] *** jsacco has joined #opensolaris [19:25:26] *** bondolo has joined #opensolaris [19:25:51] <elektronkind> dclarke: ? [19:25:59] <elektronkind> !seen dclarke [19:26:01] <Drone> dclarke is currently online in #opensolaris and last spoke on Wed 04 Oct 2006 06:36 GMT, saying 'nighty y'all !'. [19:26:04] <dclarke> hello [19:26:12] <elektronkind> just got your ticket ;) [19:26:19] <dclarke> haha ! [19:26:26] <dclarke> I had to look into that [19:26:32] <dclarke> it was too amazing [19:26:35] <elektronkind> it got forwarded to my group by the helpdesk since they don't know about bluegrit [19:26:47] <dclarke> and the people that I spoke with never heard of it [19:26:53] <elektronkind> I found out who the guy is [19:26:56] <dclarke> you can close the ticket [19:27:03] <dclarke> uh huh ? [19:27:22] <elektronkind> http://ebiquity.umbc.edu/person/html/Milton/Halem/ [19:27:26] <elektronkind> there's your man [19:27:54] *** bengtf has quit IRC [19:28:01] <dclarke> crusy old fart ? [19:28:16] *** bank has joined #opensolaris [19:28:26] <dclarke> thanks ! [19:28:29] <elektronkind> yeah, and likes pointing at colorful pictures, apparently [19:29:08] <dclarke> I'll let you know what happens [19:29:13] <dclarke> just for fun .. [19:29:22] <dclarke> who knows .. maybe we can get the ppc code on there [19:30:29] <elektronkind> halem at umbc dot edu [19:30:35] <bank> I following the zfs slide. zpool create tank/home missing vdev specification [19:30:52] <twincest> zfs create tank/home [19:31:15] <bank> yes , it'also cannot create 'tank/home': no such pool 'tank' [19:31:24] <twincest> did you create the pool? [19:31:27] <elektronkind> you need to create the pool [19:31:38] <elektronkind> zpool create tank .... [19:31:47] <bank> create a pool ... [19:32:02] <bank> is that pooladm? [19:32:08] <twincest> no, zpool [19:32:10] <bank> i think it is differnt pol [19:32:18] <twincest> zpool create tank ... [19:33:00] <bank> zpool create tank c1d0s0 [19:33:12] <bank> . /dev/dsk/c1d0s0 is currently mounted on /. Please see umount(1M). [19:34:39] <bank> I may specify -m [19:36:58] <bank> ... [19:37:58] <bank> it can not .. [19:38:47] *** jsacco has left #opensolaris [19:38:52] <jamesd_> bank, you know that ZFS will remove the existing filesystem... do you really want all your files in / to disapear? [19:39:28] <bank> nooo... [19:39:46] <bank> I just want to create a pool ... [19:40:08] <jamesd_> then don't give it a slice that is currently mounted. [19:40:09] <elektronkind> do you have a free slice on your machine? [19:40:18] <bank> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/intro/ [19:40:29] <bank> slice ..? [19:41:09] <bank> sorry. I don't know what is slice .. [19:41:16] <bank> I have one harddisk .. [19:41:40] <bank> c1d0s0 [19:41:45] <bank> c1d0s7 [19:42:46] *** stevel has quit IRC [19:43:44] <bank> oh slice = partition right? [19:44:12] <bank> I have c1d0s0 and c1d0s7 at /export/home [19:44:47] <jamesd_> backup all the files in /export/home and then you can use it for ZFS. [19:46:39] <bank> ok one moment please. [19:50:48] *** alanc_away has quit IRC [19:51:18] <bank> so I need to umount c1d0s7 ? [19:52:21] <bank> umount: /export/home busy [19:53:05] <bank> fuser -c -k [19:53:37] *** calum_ has quit IRC [19:53:52] <jamesd_> umount -f /export/home [19:56:02] <bank> . /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 contains a ufs filesystem. /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 is normally mounted on /export/home according to /etc/vfstab. Please remove this entry to use this device. [19:56:12] <Error_404> if all you want to do is play, you can create a file & make it loopback [19:57:01] <bank> .... [19:57:49] <bank> I not sure I understand .. [19:58:20] <bank> I already unmount. and try to zpool create tank c1d0s7 [19:58:32] <bank> but .. . /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 contains a ufs filesystem. /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 is normally mounted on /export/home according to /etc/vfstab. Please remove this entry to use this device. [19:59:13] <bank> so.. reinstall OS .. and create some free slice? [19:59:53] <Error_404> no, you can comment out the line in /etc/vfstab [20:01:05] <bank> I uncomment those then. [20:01:08] <bank> invalid vdev specification [20:01:19] <bank> . /dev/dsk/c1d0s7 contains a ufs filesystem. [20:03:06] <bank> oh ok googling [20:03:42] <bank> :D success thanks [20:03:49] <bank> thank you. [20:06:50] <bank> I do 1. zfs create pool/zones 2. zfs set mountpoint=/export/zones pool/zones . Now I ready to create a zones right? [20:09:47] <Error_404> you can if you think you can [20:10:10] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [20:10:14] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [20:12:08] <bank> don't angry. [20:12:11] <bank> sorry. [20:12:42] <Error_404> ? i'm not angry [20:12:55] <Error_404> i was just being like the chinese guy in the karate kid [20:13:09] <Error_404> or yoda [20:16:50] *** lacaLNCH is now known as laca [20:18:10] *** Cybernd has joined #opensolaris [20:20:55] *** log0ff_ has joined #opensolaris [20:21:42] *** hell`` has joined #opensolaris [20:21:57] *** pjfloyd has joined #opensolaris [20:22:58] *** bubbva has quit IRC [20:28:03] *** postwait has joined #opensolaris [20:28:04] *** jcea has quit IRC [20:30:00] <bank> so each fs didn't have to specify how much MB to allocate. [20:30:19] <bank> and in the future I can set property like quata .. [20:30:44] <bank> without affect any instance of application the currently running on that fs? [20:30:50] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [20:32:25] <Vas> hmm...can Sun LDAP be installed inside of a zone ? [20:32:30] <bank> Oh, so if i create create pool/zones mout to /export/zones ... may I create pool/zones-a mount to export/zones/a ? [20:32:55] <bank> Oh , may be pool is a virtually. [20:33:26] <bank> Vas: I think so .. [20:33:35] <Vas> can't seem to do it [20:33:43] <Vas> Java Enterprise System failed [20:33:44] <bank> why ... [20:33:56] <bank> Why failed .. [20:34:03] <bank> it need to access /usr/local? [20:34:19] <bank> There are two type of zone I think .. [20:34:24] <bank> sparse and whole toot. [20:34:25] <bank> root [20:39:24] <Vas> i don't know why [20:39:33] <Vas> no typical error in logs that tell me why [20:39:38] <Vas> it just says "failed" [20:39:55] <bank> :O ... [20:40:10] <bank> so how can we guess. .. what is wrong .. [20:40:35] <dclarke> elektronkind : hello ? [20:41:01] <elektronkind> ? [20:41:23] <bank> ping elektronkind [20:41:35] <Vas> elektronkind , you work with zoning a lot ? [20:41:41] <dclarke> hello .. I was just on the phone [20:41:46] <dclarke> with the UMBC people [20:41:52] <elektronkind> Vas: not a lot [20:41:57] <elektronkind> dclarke: oh yeah? [20:41:59] <dclarke> they are willing to do just about anything to get involved [20:42:08] <elektronkind> heh. that's surprising [20:42:19] <dclarke> not really [20:42:29] <dclarke> did you see the software that they are currently running ? [20:42:38] <dclarke> as you said .. they need a purpsoe for that box [20:42:41] <elektronkind> just what's listed on that page [20:42:50] <dclarke> and a purpose always leads to further justification [20:42:50] <elektronkind> yeah. they're struggling to get it used [20:42:59] <dclarke> so .. I started the ball rolling [20:43:06] <elektronkind> that's awesome [20:43:11] <dclarke> I will now post to the list and see what other people think [20:43:37] <dclarke> I think that there will be people that want access to a 64 processor PowerPC cluster [20:44:11] <bank> gd night dclarke , elektronkind ,Error_404 [20:44:25] <dclarke> bank : its good to see a newbie around here [20:44:35] <dclarke> bank : and nighty night ! :-) [20:44:42] <quasi> dclarke: could be useful for password cracking ;) [20:44:54] <elektronkind> nothing wrong with 64 PPC-970 cpus that are actually doing something [20:45:01] <bank> I am glad to hear that. [20:45:04] *** bank has quit IRC [20:45:07] <dclarke> well ... its a major freaking leap [20:45:15] *** glagasse has quit IRC [20:45:16] <dclarke> and non-trivial [20:46:13] <Error_404> as newbies go, bank's a pretty decent one... if you tell him to google something, he does [20:46:27] *** koolniczka has joined #opensolaris [20:46:41] <dclarke> yeah .. I think he's great [20:46:56] <dclarke> not once has he puleld a "thats not how it works in linux" crap [20:47:40] <Vas> hey guys, any idea why I can't mkdir in /dev when I'm inside a zone ? [20:47:45] *** bengtf has quit IRC [20:47:54] <dclarke> brb [20:48:18] <jbalint> hey whats that command that gives you the cflags for 64-bit file offsets? [20:48:26] <Error_404> dclarke: so this cluster... how.. umm, well, has it got a terminal in order to watch the boot process? [20:48:27] <elektronkind> dclarke: you're referring to ppc-discuss, right? [20:48:50] <elektronkind> jbalint: the C #define for compiling ? [20:49:04] <jbalint> elektronkind: no there is a command that spits out them as -D's [20:50:00] <elektronkind> oh. getconf [20:50:07] <jbalint> Ah, thanks. [20:50:32] <elektronkind> getconf LFS_CFLAGS [20:51:49] *** jcea has joined #opensolaris [20:53:13] <dclarke> elektronkind : the system architecture is not really clear yet [20:53:28] <dclarke> we will get to that stage with a little research [20:53:49] <elektronkind> I can walk down and get you actual equipment model numbers. the cluster is in one of my rooms. [20:54:04] <dclarke> oooh .. you are the man on the scene then ! [20:54:09] <dclarke> yes .. and digital pictures please [20:54:14] <elektronkind> there's no inifiband or myranet. it's all gig-e backplane. [20:54:23] <dclarke> do you have a digital camera of some sort ? [20:54:31] <elektronkind> heh. just the one on my phone. [20:54:34] <dclarke> uh .. [20:54:38] <dclarke> hold on a sec [20:54:40] <elektronkind> will that suffice for now :) [20:54:43] <dclarke> there is no backplane ? [20:55:03] <dclarke> are the nodes connected by etherent only ? [20:55:08] <elektronkind> I told you last night, this cluster was not put together in the most informed manner :) [20:55:14] <dclarke> not bad actually if that is the case [20:55:24] <dclarke> clearly not [20:55:30] <elektronkind> yeah. think of it as a big, low-rent cluster. [20:55:37] <elektronkind> hence why it's not used much [20:55:48] <dclarke> but .. it means that the nodes are actaully separate [20:55:56] <dclarke> no common memory [20:56:01] <dclarke> no common anything [20:56:05] <dclarke> that could be good for us [20:56:14] <elektronkind> multi-node stuff is done over mpich. [20:56:18] <elektronkind> over the gig-e [20:56:30] <dclarke> okay .. [20:56:38] <dclarke> any information that you can get would be great [20:56:58] <elektronkind> sure. I need to walk for a bit, so I'll go down now and start with some pics [20:57:07] <dclarke> let's just start quietly [20:57:16] <dclarke> no one needs to get their knickers in a twist [20:57:23] <elektronkind> nope. [20:57:27] <dclarke> but this may be quite a valuable asset [20:58:14] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [21:03:56] <Error_404> my Uni's cluster lab is the regular lab [21:04:45] *** log0ff_ has quit IRC [21:04:48] <delewis> hehe [21:05:01] <delewis> in Jonathan's latest blog entry, he claims Sun Studio is free *and* open source *cough* [21:05:02] <Error_404> 25 someodd sunblade150's [21:05:27] *** Triskelios has quit IRC [21:05:32] <Error_404> does a misinformed blog entry count as "executive decision" ? [21:05:37] <dclarke> open source ? [21:05:56] <Error_404> can't embarass the CEO... make it OS [21:06:20] <delewis> "The win is a comprehensive one for Sun - starting with our free and open source Sun Studio compilers... " [21:06:41] <delewis> either Jonathan let something slip or he needs a refresher on the definition of open source :-) [21:06:46] <delewis> hopefully, it's the former [21:07:14] <dclarke> I think having the source to Studio 11 would be cool [21:07:35] <delewis> it'd give incentive to a lot of developers to dump gcc and use Sun Studio, instead. [21:10:03] <dclarke> time to go offtopic [21:10:08] <dclarke> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=12&ll=44.696481,-1.175194&spn=0.133982,0.31105&t=k&om=1 [21:10:11] <Error_404> does sun even sell anything anymore? [21:10:22] <avar> hardware [21:10:23] <delewis> not that I really care about such things, but when you're trying to show off dbx, runtime-checking, or Performance Analyzer, and the infamous question comes up, "Is it free (as in open source)?" the rest becomes moot. [21:10:33] <delewis> Error_404: software support [21:10:42] <s3tup> build 48 iso been release yet ? [21:10:45] <delewis> oh [21:10:58] <Error_404> s3tup: a while ago [21:10:59] <richlowe> Yes. [21:11:08] <delewis> also, did any notice Sun stopped selling laptops (the Ultra 3, which was a Naturetech)?" [21:11:14] <s3tup> okie .. thank you :) [21:11:15] <delewis> anyone* [21:11:17] *** Triskelios has joined #opensolaris [21:11:31] <s3tup> im gonna try dual boot build48 with xp [21:11:42] <delewis> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra3/ [21:12:00] <delewis> "No Longer Orderable" :-( [21:12:20] <dclarke> be back in a bit ... gotta go drive into the rain and fog [21:12:53] <elektronkind> when will you be back dclarke? [21:13:08] <dclarke> 20 mins [21:13:12] <dclarke> maybe 30 [21:13:15] <elektronkind> cool. I have something for you. [21:13:21] <dclarke> you emailing me pics !? :-) [21:13:26] <elektronkind> sure [21:13:29] <elektronkind> :) [21:13:32] <dclarke> excelllent ... [21:13:40] <dclarke> brb [21:13:52] <elektronkind> from alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.clusters [21:16:11] <agliodbs> heh [21:16:30] <elektronkind> god damn the pics from my cell phone suck [21:16:34] *** dunc has joined #opensolaris [21:17:18] <agliodbs> so, I'd like to put Nevada on Parallels on my MacBook [21:17:39] <agliodbs> anyone know if there's an image out there? I can find an image for Solaris 10 update 1, but not Nevada ... [21:18:16] *** _william_ has joined #opensolaris [21:18:40] <_william_> hi all [21:20:33] <agliodbs> (sound of crickets chirping) [21:20:48] *** ndroux has joined #opensolaris [21:21:03] <richlowe> agliodbs: ISOs/Images are not redistributable. [21:21:07] <richlowe> so if Sun doesn't have one, "No". [21:28:12] <agliodbs> hmmm ... [21:28:17] <agliodbs> anywhere on sunweb? [21:28:35] <agliodbs> and clearly I need to take up the ISO issue with Simon [21:28:42] <agliodbs> it's inhibiting the spread of Solaris [21:29:14] <delewis> agliodbs: but not OpenSolaris [21:29:43] <delewis> Solaris is merely an OpenSolaris-based distribution. What Sun chooses to do with Solaris is their choice. [21:29:45] *** LeftWing has quit IRC [21:29:53] *** LeftWing has joined #OpenSolaris [21:30:19] <jbalint> c [21:30:22] <jbalint> oops [21:30:37] *** Auralis has quit IRC [21:30:38] <agliodbs> delewis: I meant opensolaris [21:30:50] <agliodbs> delewis: if we can't distribtue ISOs ... [21:30:53] <delewis> agliodbs: OpenSolaris tarballs are re-distributable. [21:31:24] <delewis> agliodbs: whether or not you can distribute ISOs of an OpenSolaris distribution has nothing to do with OpenSolaris, itself. [21:31:27] <agliodbs> delewis: people who can install a tarball < people who can install a cd [21:31:40] <delewis> agliodbs: you're missing the point. [21:32:42] <delewis> a reasonable analogy is Red Hat and RHEL. RHEL being a Linux distribution that isn't redistributable (the "free" aspect of RHEL is irrelevant) [21:33:17] <agliodbs> delewis: so, are you saying that I could create my own distro of OpenSolaris and distribute, say, VM images if I wanted? [21:33:24] <richlowe> You can redistribute OpenSolaris ISOs. [21:33:31] <richlowe> You cannot distribute ISOs of the Solaris product. [21:33:38] <delewis> agliodbs: absolutely. [21:33:47] <agliodbs> ok ... oh, right, that's the issue, OS still isn't installable on its own [21:33:54] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [21:33:57] <richlowe> schillix, belenix, nexenta, ... that other one. [21:34:00] <richlowe> so yeah, it is. [21:34:13] <delewis> Sun's OpenSolaris distribution, Solaris, not only includes CDDL's portions (ON, JDS, etc.), it also contains lots of non-free portions, such as CDE, that force it not to be re-distributable. [21:34:19] <delewis> CDDL'd* [21:34:52] <delewis> agliodbs: OpenSolaris will never be bootable on it's own. [21:35:20] <delewis> it's merely the components that are necessary to create an OpenSolaris-based distribution. [21:35:25] <richlowe> Well sure, you can't boot hundreds of megs of source. [21:35:37] <delewis> similar to *just* the Linux kernel and a GNU userland. [21:35:56] <agliodbs> hmmm [21:36:01] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [21:36:01] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [21:36:10] <agliodbs> wonder if one of the other distros has a vm image ... [21:36:22] <delewis> agliodbs: the problem is, I think, you're trying to associate OpenSolaris not only with Sun, but as Solaris, itself. [21:36:40] <delewis> it's a common misconception. [21:36:55] <agliodbs> yeah, well, the basic way to get the latest build is Solaris Express [21:37:39] <stevel> agliodbs: nexenta distributes vmware player images [21:37:53] <agliodbs> stevel: hmmm ... wonder if they do parallels .... [21:38:00] <delewis> does ON build on Nexenta or Belenix? [21:38:02] *** s3tup has quit IRC [21:38:11] <stevel> agliodbs: it's far easier to upgrade nexenta than it is to upgrade SXCR [21:38:17] <stevel> delewis: no, it's not self-hosting yet [21:38:22] <stevel> requires SXCR to build still [21:38:27] <delewis> ah [21:38:31] <delewis> that needs to change :-( [21:38:42] <agliodbs> ... oh, right [21:38:45] <delewis> what's preventing that from happening (I imagine some set of non-redistributable packages)? [21:38:46] <agliodbs> I need to do Solaris though [21:38:50] *** s3tup has joined #opensolaris [21:39:01] <agliodbs> becuase PostgreSQL [21:39:28] <richlowe> stevel: I'd thought joerg had found a way around that? [21:39:34] <delewis> it would go a long way to make OpenSolaris an entity of it's own, separate from Solaris. [21:40:46] <stevel> richlowe: really? that'd be cool [21:41:15] <agliodbs> what pisses me off is that I spent a week getting this working [21:41:20] <agliodbs> and then my laptop was stolen [21:41:27] <stevel> ouch [21:43:59] *** rob88 has joined #opensolaris [21:56:40] <rob88> ping [21:57:09] <asyd> block quick from all to all [22:01:30] <delewis> just got off the phone with a sales guy at Nextcom (one of the last SPARC portable solution providers) and they're really interested in catering to personal/hobbyist customers, which is an area that Naturetech/Tadpole don't really care about, nowadays. [22:01:41] <delewis> I' [22:01:42] <delewis> er [22:01:47] <delewis> I'll be blogging about my experience(s) later [22:02:31] *** bubbva has joined #opensolaris [22:02:53] *** stevel has quit IRC [22:03:02] *** mrdeviant has quit IRC [22:03:14] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [22:03:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [22:04:42] *** stevel has quit IRC [22:05:21] *** stevel has joined #opensolaris [22:05:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o stevel [22:05:35] <richlowe> Having fun? :) [22:07:38] <stevel> i'm having a lovely time [22:11:43] <agliodbs> eh, I was hoping to get this set up in time for OS Ambassdor tommorrow [22:11:47] <agliodbs> but it doesn't look likely [22:12:34] <stevel> sxcr b49 is up [22:12:37] <stevel> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b49-DVD-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try [22:12:58] <stevel> http://javashoplm.sun.com/ECom/docs/Welcome.jsp?StoreId=7&PartDetailId=Sol-Express_b49-x86-SP-G-B&TransactionId=try [22:12:59] *** ShadowHntr has joined #opensolaris [22:16:08] <axisys> my firefox taking extremely long to start on sunray.. [22:16:18] <axisys> the truss of firefox shows this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nimVGp44.html [22:18:39] <axisys> anything sticks out here that probably the cause of the slowness [22:18:48] <axisys> it takes may be 10 mins to start [22:19:18] <elektronkind> hanging on the brk call? [22:19:51] <axisys> elektronkind: it comes up after a loooong wait [22:20:21] *** gisburn has joined #opensolaris [22:22:13] <axisys> here is my /etc/profile looks like [22:22:15] <axisys> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ACWagW77.html [22:22:22] <axisys> i wonder if that has anything to do with it [22:22:49] <gisburn> axisys: what problem do you have ? [22:23:30] <dclarke> I'm back finally [22:23:31] <axisys> gisburn: it basically taking a loooong time (10+ mins) to start [22:23:36] *** Auralis has quit IRC [22:24:17] <gisburn> axisys: do you have filesystem quotas enabled ? [22:24:43] *** alanc-away is now known as alanc [22:25:20] <axisys> gisburn: no.. here is ulimit -a http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BQbTNl50.html [22:26:00] <gisburn> axisys: please try $ touch $HOME/.hushlogin # and logout and the re-login [22:26:07] <gisburn> and check whether this is better [22:26:18] <axisys> also noticed stack size is too small [22:26:31] <axisys> a good system it says 10240 [22:26:40] <axisys> gisburn: it is a sunray server btw [22:27:07] <axisys> gisburn: let me try the hushlogin [22:28:06] *** Auralis has joined #opensolaris [22:31:48] *** bengtf has quit IRC [22:33:06] <gisburn> schily_: ping! [22:33:07] <agliodbs> who's running OpenSolarisCon? [22:33:18] <gisburn> agliodbs: Satan! [22:34:10] *** pjfloyd has left #opensolaris [22:34:20] <agliodbs> gisburn: do you have his e-mail? [22:35:09] <schily_> gisburn: pong [22:35:17] <gisburn> agliodbs: freeexecutions at nrubsig dot org should work. [22:35:45] <agliodbs> heh [22:36:19] *** schily_ is now known as schily [22:36:55] <gisburn> agliodbs: it is an internal alias for sendyoursoulviaemail at terror dot gov [22:37:40] <agliodbs> gisburn: too late, I'm an American [22:37:43] <agliodbs> my soul is already hocked [22:37:49] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [22:37:59] <gisburn> agliodbs: bush junior or senior ? [22:38:18] <agliodbs> more of a gradual process [22:38:30] <agliodbs> a few % at a time, starting in about 1980 [22:38:41] <agliodbs> reaching 100% last week [22:40:10] *** avar has quit IRC [22:41:07] <axisys> need a dtrace tool to find why firefox taking sooo long to start [22:43:35] *** bengtf_ has joined #opensolaris [22:43:38] *** bengtf_ is now known as bengtf [22:46:22] *** avar has joined #opensolaris [22:46:36] <jamesd_> axisys, simple trace and time and count every every function call... the ones that take the longest and or called the most is where the slow downs are. [22:46:41] *** coffman has quit IRC [22:50:03] <axisys> jamesd_: how do i go by doing that [22:51:36] *** Xh4 has joined #opensolaris [22:51:54] <Xh4> Is OpenSolaris more fond of laptops than Solaris has been in the past? :p i.e. PCMCIA support? [22:52:20] *** deather_ has joined #opensolaris [22:52:24] <elektronkind> opensolaris will always have "better" device support than solaris [22:52:49] <Xh4> Ah. [22:52:57] <elektronkind> as for pcmcia support, I don't know... I don't have anything with pcmcia [22:53:03] <Xh4> Hmm. [22:53:04] <twincest> cardbus is supported now [22:53:09] <Xh4> How about wifi support? [22:53:14] <Xh4> 802.11g, namely. [22:53:17] <twincest> wifi is also supported if you have a supported card [22:53:26] <Xh4> Ah, interesting... [22:53:40] <twincest> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/ [22:54:20] <Xh4> Thanks G. [22:54:44] <Xh4> Hmmm... power management.. [22:54:45] * Xh4 checks that. [22:55:00] <jamesd_> axisys, http://users.tpg.com.au/bdgcvb/dtrace.html [22:56:21] <gisburn> dclarke: ping! [22:57:09] <asyd> S 13 [22:57:10] <asyd> oups [22:57:11] <gisburn> dclarke: any ETA when Solaris/PPC will be able to run a compiler ? [22:57:44] <axisys> jamesd_: i installed the DTT [22:58:11] <jamesd_> axisys, read brendan's work on finding bottle necks in smc. [22:58:12] <axisys> jamesd_: never used it hence clueless :-) [22:58:22] <axisys> jamesd_: ok [22:58:44] *** nwf has quit IRC [22:58:48] <jamesd_> http://users.tpg.com.au/bdgcvb/DTrace/smc.html [22:59:30] *** nwf has joined #opensolaris [23:02:09] <axisys> jamesd_: wow!! that is an amazing page [23:02:14] <axisys> jamesd_: thnx a lot [23:02:43] <axisys> by the way anything special with sol 10 as far as adding a ip address in /etc/hostname.hme0 ? [23:03:08] <axisys> i have a user saying he changed and rebooted but the ip did not take into effect [23:03:31] <axisys> that is on a different state so i cant see over his shoulder [23:06:47] <jamesd_> just have them run sys-unconfig, its much faster than debugging his problem. [23:08:30] <richlowe> that depends on what it takes to recreate his former config. [23:09:26] *** deather has quit IRC [23:10:28] <jamesd_> richlowe, if he let this guy who can't debug his own problem have root, its obviously only one or two nics. [23:14:45] <axisys> i am waiting for him, the user, to respond.. thnx for the suggestion [23:15:16] <dwc-> I usually put a hostname in there, and put the hostname -> ip into /etc/hosts [23:24:57] <axisys> how do I add a uid == 341 in this ? dtrace -n 'syscall:::entry /execname == "java"/ { @Num[probefunc] = count(); }' [23:25:34] <elektronkind> dtrace -n 'syscall:::entry/pid == "341"/ { @Num[probefunc] = count(); }' [23:25:35] <elektronkind> I think' [23:26:58] <elektronkind> oh ewwait, uid not pid [23:26:59] <elektronkind> duur [23:27:41] <elektronkind> dtrace -n 'syscall:::entry/execname == "java" && uid == "341"/ { @Num[probefunc] = count(); }' [23:27:46] <elektronkind> that would be my guess [23:28:34] <axisys> elektronkind: let me try [23:29:40] <axisys> 341 (w/o the quote) works [23:40:51] *** axisys has quit IRC [23:43:50] *** GmanAFK is now known as Gman [23:48:15] * jmcp heads officewards [23:48:18] <jmcp> back later folks [23:48:19] *** jmcp has left #opensolaris [23:53:00] <hile_> morning gman [23:53:06] <Gman> hey hile_ [23:57:16] *** Sir-Al has joined #opensolaris [23:57:48] *** rob88 has quit IRC