[00:00:13] <Gman> yeah, but they seemed to hit every list
[00:00:20] <gdamore> hmm... maybe my spam filter filtered more of 'em out.  but i'm also not on a gazillion lists.
[00:00:35] <quasi> yeah, so I must be on only 15 of the lists
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[00:03:01] <richlowe> Gman: lesson learned from that, Jive doesn't hit moderation.
[00:03:21] <Gman> neither does mailman seemingly
[00:09:19] <Tpenta> morning folks
[00:09:49] <Tpenta> stevel: todays clone?
[00:10:35] <agliodbs> hmmm
[00:10:42] <agliodbs> so, I'm still working on this Ultra20
[00:10:49] <agliodbs> it doesn't seem to have a video signal
[00:10:55] <Tpenta> you got a kbd then?
[00:10:58] <agliodbs> yes
[00:11:09] <agliodbs> bought one after my talk
[00:11:29] <gdamore> i'm still ticked that U20 has no RS232. :-)
[00:11:34] <agliodbs> but, there doesn't seem to be anything going out on the VGA
[00:11:41] <gdamore> and no optical storage either.
[00:11:48] <agliodbs> is it possible that it's set to only work with the DVI?
[00:11:55] <Tpenta> it has rs232 on board, but no cable to a socket
[00:12:19] <Tpenta> jmcp has a u20, any ides (if you are around) ?
[00:12:20] <gdamore> really?  i should open it up.  can i just stick on a ribbon cable?  does it have a header?
[00:12:33] <Tpenta> this is what I am told, anyway
[00:13:44] <gdamore> i'll have to open mine up.  i probably have some pci plates with rs232 db9's on them around here somewhere.  of course, that will disincentivize me to finish my uart framework and driver for SIIG CyberSerial 4/S cared.
[00:14:27] <agliodbs> hey, here's an actual solaris issue
[00:14:38] <agliodbs> Solaris security reported a PostgreSQL security bug
[00:14:44] <agliodbs> but didn't supply details
[00:14:55] <agliodbs> and I've been bugging them for two weeks about details
[00:14:57] <agliodbs> without result
[00:18:46] <agliodbs> hmmm ... actually about 8 days, but still ...
[00:19:09] <Gman> 'security' being a group, or person?
[00:19:53] <agliodbs> group
[00:21:02] <agliodbs> just bugged them again
[00:21:41] <Gman> i'd suggest getting in touch with darren moffat - he's usually pretty darn responsive
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[00:24:03] <gdamore> the problem is that if it isn't a Solaris bug, but is postgres specific, then i doubt darren will take much interest in it. but if it is solaris-specific, then he'll probably jump on it.
[00:25:26] <agliodbs> well, it's supposedly a PostgreSQL bug
[00:25:37] <agliodbs> I'm ready to write it off as a false report at this point
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[00:26:58] <alanc> a lot of Sun people are in transit this week for a couple of engineering conferences in the SF Bay Area (CEC & OS Ambassadors)
[00:27:14] <alanc> not sure if darren is coming in for those or not
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[00:27:36] <gdamore> isn't darren local to SFbay?
[00:27:45] <Gman> alanc, yeah, think he is
[00:27:48] <Gman> he's presenting there
[00:27:50] <alanc> not any more - he moved back to UK a year or two back
[00:28:11] <agliodbs> yeah, I just popped back from CEC
[00:28:14] <Gman> gdamore, he's usually a good guy and helpful
[00:28:15] <gdamore> ah.  i worked with a bit on kcf some time ago.  he was pretty good to work with.
[00:28:34] <gdamore> s/with/& him/
[00:30:47] <agliodbs> heh, now I just need to find him among 2000 CEC attendees
[00:30:56] <agliodbs> ok, I need to call someone about this machne
[00:31:03] <agliodbs> video is definitely not working
[00:33:53] <gdamore> sunsolve.sun.com? :-)
[00:35:39] <agliodbs> huh?
[00:36:42] <Gman> same as google.com i suspect ;)
[00:40:22] <agliodbs> aha
[00:40:25] <agliodbs> dammit
[00:40:37] <agliodbs> apparently if the workstation has a DVI, you can ONLY use the DVI
[00:41:34] <agliodbs> which means I need to take *this* machine offline so that I can use the flatpanel, grrr
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[00:45:46] <dwc-> offline? DVI cables are hot swappable
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[00:54:08] <Gman> oh man
[00:54:15] <Gman> simon is now on the cab for opensparc
[00:54:56] <Gman> s'if that will help getting the opensolaris governance model finalized....
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[01:01:09] <Gman> hrm, opensparc.net's website is a bit buggy
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[01:02:00] <twincest> hm, security team's been busy this week
[01:02:56] <Error_404> have they?
[01:03:05] <Error_404> or have they just been lazy every week before this one?
[01:03:07] <Error_404> ;)
[01:03:57] * gdamore hates pfb/radeon.  and is looking to throw the pfb authors into a pit filled with komodo dragons.
[01:07:06] <richlowe> the people suggesting disabling the ZIL as a workaround scare me.
[01:07:35] <sommerfeld> working without a net
[01:07:42] <twincest> rich: workaround for what?
[01:08:13] <sommerfeld> working around devices which respond poorly to scsi flush cache commands?
[01:08:37] <twincest> hm
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[01:13:38] <richlowe> the latest instance is in response to benr on nfs-discuss.
[01:13:43] <richlowe> re: nfs performance on thumper with zfs.
[01:20:26] <Stric> so what will setting zil_disable=1 break?
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[01:25:37] <richlowe> iirc, it at the very least makes synchronous writes not actually synchronous.
[01:29:15] <Stric> and if you don't actually need any synch writes (we're just writing some stuff with rsync), it's not too bad?
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[01:33:58] <Aghaster> Hi
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[01:34:38] <Aghaster> I'd like to install Solaris Express on my hard disk where there is a Windows partition, will it be automatically added to the bootloader installed by Solaris?
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[01:40:07] <aroman> hello
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[01:40:24] <aroman> I'm trying to set up a nfs server on my solaris box
[01:40:44] <jamesd> aroman, and what is the problem it comes configured that way out of the box...
[01:40:47] <aroman> I've edited /etc/dfs/dfstab and added the following line
[01:40:58] <aroman> jamesd: it doesn't share what I want to share :P
[01:41:02] <jamesd> are you trying to share a ZFS filesystem
[01:41:07] <aroman> yes
[01:41:10] <aroman> oh boy..
[01:41:19] <aroman> that's a bad sign right there :/
[01:41:23] <jamesd> zfs set sharenfs=rw  poolname/filesystem
[01:41:33] <aroman> ok
[01:42:00] <aroman> what else do I need to do? restart nfs server, ?
[01:42:05] <richlowe> if this is after b42, you may need to explicitly enable the various nfs services.
[01:42:07] <jamesd> nothing
[01:42:08] <twincest> don't just do sharenfs=rw unless you're very trustworthy :)
[01:42:15] <twincest> s/worthy/ing/
[01:42:16] <richlowe> (I can't recall if zfs deals with that for you, or not)
[01:42:19] <aroman> richlowe: I've enabled it
[01:42:26] <richlowe> but post-SBD, they're disabled by default.
[01:42:49] <aroman> I get a Permission denied on my linux laptop when I try to mount... :/
[01:43:07] <richlowe> nfs3 or nfs4?
[01:43:21] <jamesd> aroman, try using ip# instead of servername
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[01:43:39] <aroman> richlowe: no idea... I'm new to nfs... Whatever is on by default with solaris express b 46
[01:43:50] <aroman> share -F nfs -o rw=192.168.1.66 -d "Storage" /storage
[01:43:55] <aroman> that's in my dfstab file
[01:44:15] <aroman>  /storage is a whole zfs pool with various filesystems under it
[01:44:22] <aroman> should that work?
[01:44:55] <jamesd> you don't need to worry about share...   remove the line from dfstab
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[01:46:06] <aroman> jamesd: ok... what now?
[01:46:28] <aroman> does everything get shared by default or what?
[01:46:41] <jamesd> remove the   share line.. run the zfs set sharenfs=rw   poolname   ... then it should work \
[01:47:12] <aroman> hmm this is odd...
[01:47:19] <aroman> now the command just hangs there
[01:47:31] <aroman> this is on my linux box when I try to mount
[01:47:45] <aroman> I am doing (as root) mount <ip>:/storage /storage
[01:49:44] <aroman> any ideas?
[01:50:21] <jamesd> its a pain to debug  nfs problems... i have to go will be back later
[01:50:49] <aroman> huh...
[01:50:52] <aroman> it works now
[01:50:55] <aroman> oddity
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[01:52:25] <Gman> agliodbs, 'no meetings'...s'if ;)
[01:52:30] <Gman> agliodbs, http://www.technewsworld.com/story/53357.html [for context]
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[03:15:46] <Aghaster> Hi
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[03:35:22] <Gman> anyone know how to magically get Xsun to do xinerama?
[03:35:44] <Auralis> +xinerama
[03:35:58] <Gman> do i have to specify the -dev stuff? or will it magically figure it out? :)
[03:36:13] <Auralis> yes, you need to do the -dev stuff
[03:36:16] <Gman> i'm not sure if this machine has 2 working graphics cards
[03:36:17] <Gman> hrm
[03:37:04] <twincest> if you don't have two cards why are you doing xinerama? :)
[03:37:42] <Gman> i *think* i have 2 cards
[03:37:56] <Gman> i certainly seem to have 2 slots for a monitor to plug in :)
[03:38:27] <Gman> and /dev/fbs has 2 entries - ifb0 and m640
[03:38:52] <hile_> oh ugh... i hate m64 graphics cards
[03:38:53] <hile_> they suck
[03:38:58] <libkeiser> did it work with multiple -dev args without passing +xinerama?
[03:39:20] <Gman> dunno, will check
[03:40:29] <Gman> if it does work, i'll be more inclined to actually fix some multihead bugs with gnome :)
[03:41:09] <Auralis> you need the same res and color depth and class on both displays for xinerama to work proberly
[03:41:26] <Gman> hrm
[03:41:29] <Gman> it's working
[03:41:32] <Gman> [without the -xinerama]
[03:41:37] <Gman> but that's kinda good enough for me ;)
[03:41:52] <Auralis> doing otherwise, will work, but tends to freak out like a monkey on acid at times
[03:42:01] <Gman> nod, thanks Auralis
[03:42:08] <Gman> now i just need to figure out how to get multihead gnome working :)
[03:42:34] <Gman> since i assume /etc/dt/config/Xservers is ignored by gdm
[03:42:38] <Tpenta> for starters, don't use nimbus unless that nimbus null pointer deref has been fixed :)
[03:42:47] <Gman> heh
[03:42:58] <Gman> that was crashing the panel good
[03:43:14] <Tpenta> only about every 20 seconds since snv_42
[03:43:30] <Gman> ok, so now i'm inclined to actually download and install a newer version of solaris sparc
[03:43:33] <Gman> mmm mmm
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[03:43:50] <Tpenta> has that been fixed yet? I'm using the workaround of not using nimbus
[03:44:02] <Gman> i think it probably has
[03:45:09] <Gman> what on earth happened to nana.sfbay images
[03:45:16] <Gman> pub/nv looks whacked.
[03:45:32] <Gman> oh doh.
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[03:45:34] <Gman> wrong directory
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[03:48:49] * Gman downloads b48
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[03:53:21] <Gman> Tpenta, don't suppose there's a process for ordering nevada cd's from a local sun office is there? :)
[03:53:28] <Tpenta> no idea
[03:53:42] <Gman> heh, ok
[03:53:47] <Gman> seems like something that sun should do
[03:53:56] <Tpenta> i'm just a bit annoyed that downloading source code to my notebook that i'm only getting about 20k/s
[03:54:06] <Gman> nod
[03:54:06] <ShadowHntr> Gman: you can download solaris express for free :)
[03:54:12] <Gman> that's what i'm doing
[03:54:14] <Gman> it's just slow
[03:54:19] <ShadowHntr> or you could probably ask a friend to download it for you *shrug*
[03:54:22] <Gman> i'm working remotely, and there's 6 cd's
[03:54:33] <Gman> ShadowHntr, yeah, i need to get to know the guys in sun nz a little better
[03:55:03] <twincest> what's a useful tool to draw graphs similar to rrdtool, but from data i already have? (preferably a bit more readable than gnuplot)
[03:55:04] <Gman> how and ever..
[03:56:26] <richlowe> Gman: you don't have a local install image?
[03:56:31] * richlowe finds that somewhat unlikely.
[03:56:34] <Tpenta> oh that's better, I remembered I had a copy on the sydney lab. 66k/s beats 20
[03:56:49] <Gman> richlowe, not that i know of
[03:56:57] <ShadowHntr> YES !
[03:57:13] <ShadowHntr> got postgres working on solaris 10 :D
[03:57:22] <Tpenta> :)
[03:57:27] <Tpenta> write it up and post it somewhere
[03:57:30] <ShadowHntr> lol
[03:57:34] <Tpenta> please
[03:57:38] <ShadowHntr> actually the howto on sun.com works mostly
[03:57:44] <ShadowHntr> just needs some tweaking.
[03:57:58] <ShadowHntr> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/howtoguides/postgresqlhowto.jsp
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[04:33:13] <Error_404> what in the...
[04:33:34] <Error_404> "Sun Labs is pleased to announce the release to the OpenSolaris community of a long awaited update to the Solaris PowerPC code base"
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[04:33:55] <Error_404> rad...
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[04:35:13] <aroman> how long should NFS mounting take? I'm using the zfs nfsmount thing and a linux client.
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[04:37:21] <Error_404> should be relatively instant
[04:37:24] <aroman> mine takes a good minute and sometimes fails...
[04:37:25] <aroman> :/
[04:37:35] <Error_404> *shrug*
[04:44:02] <Gman> mmm, back to PM's doing announcements :/
[04:45:34] <Error_404> ?
[04:46:01] <Gman> program managers
[04:46:15] <Error_404> i see
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[05:04:49] <boyd> I don't suppose SXCR b49 is likely to be avail in the next 24 hrs is it?
[05:05:39] <Gman> it's up on nana.sfbay, but no idea what the CR releases are like
[05:06:21] <Gman> http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-announce/2006-September/000269.html
[05:06:27] <Gman> b48 was 25th sept
[05:06:30] <Gman> add 2 weeks?
[05:08:52] <boyd> Hmm.. only the 25th... I guess not then :)
[05:09:09] <boyd> ( i have a week avail to u/g next week )
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[05:17:37] <danmorg> hello
[05:17:42] <boyd> Howdy
[05:18:24] <danmorg> how often does sun releae builds of solaris express?
[05:19:06] <elektronkind> bi-weekly on tuesdays. snapshots are weekly on tuesdays.
[05:19:27] <twincest> that's SX:CR rather than SX, i think
[05:19:41] <elektronkind> oh right, he's asking avout SX
[05:19:45] * elektronkind be tired
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[05:20:31] <boyd> So for SX, I think it's monthly
[05:22:01] <danmorg> SX=Solaris Express?  what is CR? community release?
[05:22:12] <twincest> yes, CR is released more often but is more likely to contain bugs
[05:22:19] <twincest> also not supported at all
[05:22:36] <danmorg> how can i tell what i am running? hehehe
[05:23:05] <danmorg> uname says SunOS danpc 5.11 snv_47 i86pc i386 i86pc
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[05:23:23] <boyd> danmorg: For the most part they are the same software, just that SX has more testing so it lags
[05:23:41] <boyd> Build 47 is SX:CR At the moment I'd say
[05:23:41] <danmorg> ok
[05:24:14] <boyd> (since it's only a 2 week old build)
[05:24:43] <boyd> Well... 2.5
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[05:26:43] <danmorg> do you know in a future version of sx that it will have dhcp work out-of-the-box for us people who do not get hostname returned from the dhcp server?  now, it is set to UNKNOWN which causes problems.  it took me the longest time to figure out i needed /etc/nodename set to my hostname.   X Windows system on solaris 10/x86 does even start because of this. but solaris express does with UNKNOWN hostname.  i guess that's why i'm runnin
[05:26:51] <richlowe> boyd: SX:CR is at snv_48.
[05:27:17] <boyd> richlowe: I know, but SX isn't at 47 yet, so I assumed it's a slightly OOD SX:CR
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[05:28:03] <richlowe> Doh, now I see more of the context that makes sense.  Sorry.
[05:28:11] <boyd> danmorg: I haven't heard any specific mention... I don't think it happens if you set up at install time or sun sys-unconfig.. (or does it?)
[05:28:35] <boyd> danmorg: I suspect it would come under the NWAM project's area (network automagic)
[05:28:56] <danmorg> sorry boyd.  no idea what all that is. :)
[05:29:09] <boyd> danmorg: the NWAM thing?
[05:29:39] <AbeFroman>         use-host-decl-names on;
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[05:29:59] <AbeFroman> for isc dhcpd
[05:30:06] <danmorg> boyd: i chose dhcp at install time, but it didn't ask for a hostname
[05:30:26] <boyd> Ok, I was wrong then... sorry... (been ages since I did that(
[05:30:29] <boyd> ))
[05:31:43] <boyd> danmorg: Anyway, to answer the original question, I think that it's likely to be the kind of thing that this: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/nwam/ is supposed to fix
[05:34:30] <danmorg> ok.  good.
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[05:51:40] <Gman> man, that ibm launch trailer is terrible..
[05:52:17] <Gman> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftlM_CtKQn8 [fwiw]
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[05:54:18] <danmorg> hmmm... i've seen you somewhere before Gman.... hehehe
[05:54:26] <Gman> danmorg, ;)
[05:54:28] <Gman> hey eric
[05:54:38] <eboutilier> Hi gman.
[06:02:14] <boyd> Gman: Did you read the buzz marketing comments on the youtube page?
[06:02:42] <Gman> yeah, half read them
[06:03:31] <boyd> They really sound genuine :)
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[06:10:00] <Gman> man, 36% of the 1st cd downloaded
[06:10:01] <Gman> [sigh]
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[06:13:19] <jbalint> Hi, I have an issue on Linux where my app seems to be resolving symbols from the current process libs instead of a dl-loaded lib. In Solaris, I don't seem to have this issue. Is this a known difference in linking rules?
[06:16:18] <dwc-> uh, you have conflicting symbols?
[06:16:36] <jbalint> Yes, unfortunately.
[06:16:37] <rydis> jbalint: It might be a difference in how the linking is done with regard to run-time paths (-R flag to ld) on the different systems, perhaps.
[06:17:21] <jbalint> rydis: well the sonames are different...
[06:17:21] <rydis> If it's not set, I guess Linux ld.so might get clever, or something.
[06:17:47] <rydis> Oh. I think I misunderstood you. Sorry.
[06:17:58] <jbalint> On Linux, I even tried linking the symbols into the SO and it still finds them in the current process address space.
[06:18:35] <twincest> jba: are you using dlsym or relying on the rtld?
[06:19:04] <jbalint> Well dlsym for a function in a library which depends on another function that is the problem
[06:19:13] <jbalint> so half and half :)
[06:19:14] <twincest> i see
[06:20:02] <twincest> try passing RTLD_DEEPBIND to dlopen() on Linux
[06:20:03] <jbalint> i'n thinking solaris might add an extra level of 'namespace' for the soname or something that isnt used on linux
[06:20:16] <jbalint> twincest: hrm, didnt see that as an option in the man page
[06:20:26] <twincest> it says "since glibc 2.3.4" in mine (FC5)
[06:20:44] <jbalint> Ok, I have that version
[06:21:34] <jbalint> Is that in the man page?
[06:21:45] <twincest> it is in mine
[06:23:02] <jbalint> Ok, it's in the bits/dlfcn.h header. This better work. ;)
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[06:31:05] <IvanR_> Actually, .kshrc shouldn't be run when not interactive.  I also have this at the top as a safeguard: "[[ -o interactive ]] || return 0"
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[06:38:52] <jbalint> damnit, this all happens in userspace, and i cant figure out what flags are being passed to verify because it doesnt seem to be fixing it
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[06:45:34] <bank> ...
[06:47:56] <twincest> you could use apptrace if you weren't on linux :)
[06:48:10] <jbalint> I know, I hate it. ;)
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[06:57:49] <jbalint> Ok, I'm editing the wrong code. Too late. I'm going to bed. Thanks for the info twincest. At least I have some confirmation of the behaviour. I will add that option tomorrow.
[07:03:17] <bank> good ngiht jbalint
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[07:25:18] <Error_404> bleh
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[07:59:05] <tarzeau> does someone remember OPENSTEP, someone who works at sun.com and can give me an email address to contact someone about it?
[07:59:57] <Error_404> windowmaker?
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[08:02:04] <twincest> error: probably referring to Solaris OpenStep
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[08:02:18] <twincest> (sun's short-lived openstep implementation)
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[08:17:09] <tarzeau> Error_404: no. not windowmaker
[08:17:12] <tarzeau> Error_404: Cocoa
[08:17:34] <tarzeau> twincest: i'm really referring to sun having bought lighthouse design application suite
[08:17:43] <tarzeau> twincest: and maybe asking if it's possible to undust and release those
[08:19:26] <Chui> Cocoa is also written in ObjC, iirc
[08:19:43] <Chui> old NeXt thingie, no ?
[08:20:14] <tarzeau> Chui: it's an language as old as C++ yes
[08:20:46] <tarzeau> Chui: and www.gnustep.org is a free implementation of the programming api (gui and non-gui)
[08:20:54] <tarzeau> (better known as FoundationKit and ApplicationKit)
[08:20:58] <Chui> I thought that ObjC is alot younger than C++
[08:21:12] <tarzeau> Chui: no that's not true
[08:22:34] <galt> objectionableC
[08:23:22] <tarzeau> Chui: i don't have the dates in my hand right now, but it's about equal old: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C
[08:24:12] <tarzeau> Chui: wait i found it: www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/langs.txt
[08:26:31] <Chui> :-)
[08:26:48] <Chui> at least the NeXt thing was right ;-)
[08:27:25] <tarzeau> yeah, NeXT :)
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[08:38:30] <galt> NyET
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[08:45:59] <Error_404> i hate objc object syntax.... so ugly
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[08:47:54] <boyd> No you're right <c++ <template:syntax> is <much better>>
[08:49:32] <asyd> :)
[08:50:40] <Error_404> did i say C++'s was much better?
[08:51:03] <Gman> go lisp!
[08:51:25] <boyd> Error_404: I couldn't resist :)
[08:51:26] * Gman hears the baby jesus cry in the background..
[08:51:53] <boyd> Actually coming from smalltalk  and C I find ObjC quite rational
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[09:01:18] <galt> var'aq FTW
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[09:21:32] <Gman> ah fuck. after 400mb download of the 1st cd for snv48 i find out the md5 sum is wrong :(
[09:21:37] * Gman sighs. deeply.
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[09:44:27] <bengtf> any known ide problems with b48 ?
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[09:59:36] <|ReIkO|> morning all
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[10:15:21] <bank> hi kimc
[10:15:45] <kimc> hi bank.. how is your work ?
[10:23:22] <kimc> bank are you out there ?
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[10:34:32] <Chui> (li(s((p)))) ? nah
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[10:44:44] <kimc> I don't speak lisp  :)
[10:45:25] <kimc> anyone involved with iSCSI ?
[10:48:08] <sickness> morning all :)
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[10:59:16] <|ReIkO|> someone knows whereis defined tcp_connect?
[11:00:40] <jmcp> http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/search?q=tcp_connect&defs=&refs=&path=&hist=
[11:00:57] <jmcp> which points to http://cvs.opensolaris.org/source/xref/on/usr/src/uts/common/inet/tcp/tcp.c#5984
[11:03:23] * jmcp goes to refill his beverage ....
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[11:04:45] <|ReIkO|> but which include define it?
[11:05:01] <|ReIkO|> I have this error compiling undefined reference to `tcp_connect'
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[11:07:48] <damienc> |RelkO|: It appears to be defined on line 794 of the file, as if it is an internal, private function.
[11:08:31] <damienc> though maybe you could copy the definition into your source just to get you going.
[11:09:24] <|ReIkO|> yes tnx damienc solved
[11:09:25] <jmcp> bad idea
[11:09:34] <andersmo> |ReIkO|: If it's a private function, why do you want to use it?
[11:09:49] <damienc> jmcp: I agree that it is a bad idea.
[11:09:53] <jmcp> |ReIkO|:  it's private for a reason
[11:10:00] <|ReIkO|> It's a private function
[11:10:06] <damienc> it was easier than asking andersmo's question and opening a can of worms.
[11:10:24] <|ReIkO|> defined in a common.h that I have not include
[11:10:35] <jmcp> damienc: soft!
[11:10:36] <jmcp> :)
[11:10:52] <andersmo> |ReIkO|: There are defined, stable and portable interfaces for establishing tcp connections. Why do it the hard way? =)
[11:11:58] <jmcp> |ReIkO|: let me guess, you're porting something from linux?
[11:12:03] <|ReIkO|> in my code tcp_connect open a socket and make the tcp connection
[11:12:20] <|ReIkO|> yes
[11:12:26] <|ReIkO|> code porting
[11:12:35] <jmcp> |ReIkO|: I'll send you a sympathy packet :)
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[11:13:17] <|ReIkO|> do you need a ACK ?
[11:13:18] <|ReIkO|> :)
[11:13:58] * jmcp chuckles
[11:14:08] <jmcp> ok, beer o'clock
[11:14:10] <jmcp> back in a bit
[11:14:33] * andersmo thinks it's hack:30
[11:15:35] <quasi> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/03/sun_tacc_amd/ - ElReg can be mildly amusing at times ;)
[11:17:04] <sickness> theregister is so itchy with sun, it seems rather envy ;P
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[11:19:13] <bank> ...
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[11:20:22] <quasi> sickness: they've become a lot less hostile over the last year or two
[11:21:06] <sickness> yeah, seems to me too
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[12:35:03] <warlock> hello
[12:35:29] <warlock> MattMan, do you know sunpci?
[12:36:52] <warlock> does someone know SunPCI??
[12:37:09] <trygvis> just ask
[12:39:11] <warlock> trygvis, I have installed a SunPCI hardware, I have configured the virtual-hd wit success, but now "sunpci" command crash with the following error: Cannot convert string "-dt-interface system-medium-r-normal-m*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" to type FontSet
[12:39:26] <trygvis> jez..
[12:40:04] <warlock> trygvis, tell me that you ave the solution...
[12:40:29] <trygvis> no I don't, and stop nagging people directly
[12:42:18] <MattMan> warlock:  fraid not...
[12:42:35] <warlock> trygvis, uhmm... thanks you are friendly as a angry dog
[12:42:52] <warlock> MattMan, have you a solution??
[12:43:43] <MattMan> warlock:  if it's a font issue maybe the fc-cache service is acting up...
[12:43:44] <LeftWing> Erm
[12:45:07] <warlock> MattMan, I export the Ultra5 device on my Linux PC, could it be the problem? and why?
[12:45:55] <MattMan> warlock:  I've no idea what's going on...
[12:46:10] * MattMan ain't a hardware expert
[12:46:19] <warlock> MattMan, ok, thank you however :-)
[12:47:48] <jmcp> warlock: I've got a blog entry for that, just a sec....
[12:48:10] <warlock> jmcp, great!!
[12:48:31] <jmcp> from before I was RIFfed .... http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/a_solution_to_the_java
[12:48:49] <jmcp> oh heck .. you're displaying on linux?
[12:48:58] <jmcp> that ain't gonna work for you then
[12:49:11] <jmcp> the problem is that the linux Xserver doesn't have the proprietary extensions that Solaris' Xserver does
[12:49:56] <bengtf> same with Xorg server on 10 and 11 ?
[12:50:05] <warlock> jmcp, I see, I go to read your blog
[12:50:32] <jmcp> the other part is that the full fix requires jdk 6 ie mustang
[12:52:07] <warlock> jmcp, you told me the solution is upgrade jvm on my Ultr5, is not it true?
[12:54:20] <jmcp> jmcp: for you there are three parts - (1) upgrade your jvm to 1.6, (2) do the xset stuff from my blog entry, (3) blat linux away and install Solaris on your pc :)
[12:54:21] <bank> jmcp are you java ee developer?
[12:54:34] <jmcp> bank: nope, Solaris Kernel engineer
[12:54:48] <jmcp> I do Java stuff for kicks, C for fun and money
[12:54:51] <warlock> jmcp, are you a solaris kernel developer??????????????
[12:54:58] <jmcp> warlock: yes
[12:55:12] <warlock> jmcp, compliments
[12:55:13] <jmcp> before I was retrenched from Sun, I was working on the leadville (san) stack
[12:55:35] <warlock> jmcp, can I send you my CV? :-)
[12:55:38] <jmcp> warlock: on being a kernel dude? thanks.... on being RIFfed ..:)
[12:55:44] <jmcp> warlock: I don't work for Sun any more
[12:55:45] <jmcp> sorry
[12:56:14] <jmcp> bank, warlock: here's a copy of the presentation I was going to deliver @ CEC this year http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/roller/resources/jmcp/Getting_to_know_the_SAN_stack.pdf
[12:56:17] <warlock> jmcp, it was just a joke ;-)
[12:56:23] <jmcp> warlock: oh :(
[12:56:26] <jmcp> oh welll
[12:57:10] <bank> for kicks
[12:57:20] <jmcp> for enjoyment
[12:57:29] <jmcp> to keep my brain extended
[12:57:48] <warlock> jmcp, I use C, but I am not kernel developer, so mine could be only a joke :-(
[12:58:15] <warlock> jmcp, where do you live?
[12:58:24] <jmcp> warlock: Sydney, Australia
[12:58:29] <jmcp> next year I'm moving home to Brisbane
[12:58:49] <warlock> jmcp, you could be my god ;-)
[12:59:02] <jmcp> that's the first time anybody has said that to me
[12:59:12] <warlock> jmcp, Sydney is the heaven
[12:59:27] <warlock> jmcp, but I prefer outback
[12:59:28] <jmcp> it's not as nice a city as Brisbane
[12:59:30] <jmcp> I'm biased though :)
[12:59:39] <jmcp> you have to drive / fly for a while to get there
[12:59:49] <warlock> jmcp, I prefer Sydney to Brisbane
[12:59:59] <jmcp> have you visited both cities?
[13:00:10] <warlock> jmcp, yes
[13:00:15] <jmcp> neat
[13:00:16] <jmcp> when?
[13:01:30] <jmcp> warlock: are you in Milan?
[13:01:38] * jmcp examines traceroute output
[13:01:43] <warlock> jmcp, unfortunatly yes
[13:03:20] <warlock> jmcp, I would talk with you, could I have your email address, or I could give you mine?
[13:03:28] <jmcp> sure
[13:04:33] <warlock> jmcp, thank you
[13:04:47] <jmcp> you're welcome.
[13:05:02] <warlock> jmcp, a curiosity: how old are you?
[13:05:11] <jmcp> guess :)
[13:05:22] <warlock> jmcp, 40
[13:05:29] <jmcp> nope
[13:05:30] <warlock> jmcp, more or less?
[13:05:33] <jmcp> younger
[13:05:41] <warlock> jmcp, 30
[13:06:02] <jmcp> I'll give you a clue ... http://www.jmcp.homeunix.com/photos/Europe_Trip_2005/004_Roma/index.html - check the photo on the bottom right
[13:06:03] <duncCFflail> bad choice warlock, now jcmp will hate you forever for saying he's old
[13:06:12] <jmcp> duncCFflail: ha!
[13:06:15] <duncCFflail> :)
[13:06:48] <warlock> duncCFflail, no, I have based my prediction on his knowledge
[13:06:56] <jmcp> :-)
[13:06:59] <bank> check the photo!!
[13:07:09] <duncCFflail> warlock: oh good answer
[13:07:15] <warlock> duncCFflail, A. Cox is 40 more or less
[13:07:16] * duncCFflail will remember that one
[13:07:41] <twincest> so you think jmcp has as much knowledge as a linux kernel developer? :)
[13:07:52] * jmcp rotflmapo
[13:07:55] <bank> which... person
[13:07:57] <trygvis> he's lacking a beard at least
[13:07:58] <bank> left or right.
[13:08:10] <jmcp> trygvis: only because I don't have enough hairy genes to grow one
[13:08:14] <warlock> duncCFflail, the problem is that my answer is true. So I feel myself as so so stupid
[13:08:17] <jmcp> bank: guess
[13:08:18] <bank> I dunno.. you are male or female.
[13:08:22] <trygvis> thus you don't have the genes to be a linux hacker! :P
[13:08:27] <bank> I never know before.
[13:08:32] * duncCFflail giggles at "yes my gut looks big in this"
[13:08:34] <jmcp> bank: make an assumption and see how it goes
[13:08:39] <duncCFflail> mine looks big in everything
[13:08:42] <jmcp> duncCFflail: but it's true!
[13:08:43] <duncCFflail> (ooh err)
[13:08:50] <jmcp> trygvis: haha :)
[13:08:57] <Yamaraj> He is 36 or 37.
[13:09:12] <jmcp> closer, but still incorrect
[13:09:32] <warlock> jmcp, is it true? you are 37?
[13:09:43] <jmcp> no
[13:09:47] <jmcp> warlock: younger
[13:09:48] <Yamaraj> The belly confused my then. :-D
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[13:09:52] * jmcp snorts
[13:09:54] <bank> Do you have  a price for the competition?
[13:09:55] <bank> :P
[13:10:07] <jmcp> bank: only the satisfaction of winning
[13:10:11] <warlock> jmcp, you are 30?????????? is it possible?
[13:10:21] <jmcp> sorry, no
[13:10:24] <jmcp> I'm 34
[13:10:40] <bank> :O
[13:10:56] <bank> uncle jmcp
[13:11:01] <jteo> intriguing.
[13:11:17] <warlock> jmcp, compliments
[13:11:22] <jmcp> bank: actually, I am an uncle .. on both sides of the family
[13:11:27] <jmcp> jteo: what is?
[13:11:30] <jmcp> warlock: thankyou
[13:11:38] <jmcp> I try not to act my age either
[13:11:51] <warlock> jmcp, do you play surf?
[13:11:56] <jmcp> no
[13:12:04] <jmcp> I haven't spent enough time by the beach
[13:12:07] <jteo> jmcp: your age. [sic]. ;)
[13:12:08] <jmcp> I sail though, occasionally
[13:12:19] <jmcp> jteo: what age did you think I was?
[13:12:21] <warlock> jmcp, do you play snowboard?
[13:12:23] <bank> you should develop solaris kernal while surfing.
[13:12:28] <Yamaraj> warlock: He's married. Leave him alone! ;-)
[13:12:46] <jmcp> warlock: nope. I haven't been to a snow area since I was 13
[13:12:47] <bank> or diving in barrier leaf
[13:12:50] <warlock> Yamaraj, I am male, I like woman!!
[13:13:01] * Yamaraj as kidding.
[13:13:12] * Yamaraj can't type today.
[13:13:41] <warlock> jmcp, ok I could teach you surf and snowboard, and you solaris kernel to me ;-)
[13:14:07] <bank> warlock you are australian?
[13:14:30] <bank> billabong , roxy ... bla bla
[13:14:36] <jmcp> warlock: I could certainly try
[13:14:36] <bank> quicksilver ..
[13:14:41] <warlock> bank, no, I am world cytizen, but I am living in Italy
[13:14:53] <bank> world citizen ...
[13:14:54] <jmcp> bank: have you ever noticed how similar the Billabong and Roxy logos are?
[13:15:03] <bank> yes ... why..
[13:15:13] <bank> is it the same company?
[13:15:16] <jmcp> yup
[13:15:41] <bank> you have to wear that to bangkok.
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[13:16:10] <bank> may be during songkran day :D
[13:16:37] <jmcp> oh, maybe it's quicksilver
[13:16:42] <jmcp> can't find the website :(
[13:17:43] <warlock> jmcp, do you work in North Sydney??????
[13:17:56] <jmcp> warlock: no
[13:18:14] <jmcp> I live close to North Sydney and used to work from home, but never from Sun's North Sydney office
[13:18:26] <warlock> jmcp, do you work near to the SUN building??
[13:18:27] <jmcp> bank: have a look at the logos here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfwear
[13:18:32] <jmcp> warlock: not now
[13:18:33] <jmcp> :(
[13:19:02] <warlock> jmcp, it is a very nice place, don't you think so?
[13:19:07] <jmcp> nice enough
[13:19:26] <jmcp> North Sydney is close to everything I need, and there's a great community atmosphere
[13:19:46] <jmcp> I now have to commute to North Ryde - about 15 km away via road. the public transport from my place to there is bad
[13:19:54] <jmcp> no, it would have to improve to be merely "bad"
[13:19:56] <jmcp> :|
[13:20:14] <warlock> jmcp, yes absolutly, North S is a heaven
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[13:21:12] <warlock> jmcp, your "bad" is probably "very good" for many others
[13:21:20] <jmcp> warlock: true, true
[13:21:43] <jmcp> when you go from working from home (5 second commute) to having to get in the car ... everything sucks
[13:21:53] <warlock> jmcp, in the 2002 did you already stay there?
[13:22:11] <jmcp> yes
[13:22:16] <jmcp> well, in Sydney
[13:22:30] <jmcp> we've been in Sydney since July 98
[13:22:31] <bank> OH yes. I ever seen them all except..
[13:22:34] <jmcp> too long
[13:22:35] <bank> T&C
[13:22:42] <bank> and Da Kine
[13:22:56] <jmcp> same here
[13:23:13] <warlock> jmcp, if I have met you in Au my life would be different now
[13:23:24] <damienc> jmcp: 15km - could you cycle?
[13:23:36] <bank> why.... different ..
[13:23:44] <warlock> jmcp, the Life is a very strange thing
[13:23:54] <bank> where are you warlock?
[13:23:56] <bank> italy?
[13:23:57] <jmcp> damienc: I would, except that there is no cycleway, and the roads are being changed at the moment... and Sydney traffic is *very* cyclst-unfriendly
[13:24:03] <jmcp> bank: warlock is in Milan
[13:24:07] <jmcp> in the north of Italy
[13:24:08] <warlock> bank, unfortunatly yes
[13:24:20] <bank> Milan .. Manila
[13:24:21] <jmcp> what's so bad about Milan?
[13:24:28] <bank> lol I remember wrong.
[13:24:48] <bank> yes. why so bad. eat spagetthi everyday.
[13:24:52] <warlock> jmcp, you already know
[13:24:56] <bank> with cheese tomato and tuna
[13:25:09] <bank> I like that.
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[13:25:16] <warlock> jmcp, and I know that you know it
[13:25:23] <bank> :o ...
[13:25:35] <bank> because Italy won the world cup?
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[13:25:58] <Yamaraj> haha
[13:26:06] <warlock> bank, I am not interested in football
[13:26:29] <Yamaraj> There are probably more boys than girls in Milan? :-P
[13:26:55] <warlock> jmcp,
[13:27:24] <bank> really.
[13:27:31] <warlock> jmcp, have you understood why Italy is no good?
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[13:28:05] <Yamaraj> Because of your "unfortunately" tag.
[13:28:19] <bank> ahahahahaa
[13:28:20] <BeleniX> Did anybody had this strange error?
[13:28:21] <BeleniX> I downloaded SUNWonbld from:
[13:28:21] <BeleniX> http://opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/How-To-8-15-06/Downloads-Page-8-15-06/
[13:28:25] <BeleniX> tried :
[13:28:26] <BeleniX> bzip2 -dc ../SUNWonbld.pkg.bz2 | tar xf -
[13:28:26] <BeleniX> and got
[13:28:26] <BeleniX> tar: directory checksum error
[13:28:35] <BeleniX> it is on x86 machine
[13:28:53] <warlock> Yamaraj, where do you live?
[13:28:57] * damienc tries
[13:29:09] <BeleniX> running last SXCR (snv_46)
[13:29:10] <damienc> BeleniX: what is 'cksum SUNWonbld.pkg.bz2'
[13:29:23] <damienc> actually, you don't need the 'tar' bit - it's not tar'd.
[13:29:34] <BeleniX> 2001760382      951786  SUNWonbld.pkg.bz2
[13:29:45] <damienc> see the install guide: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/How-To-8-15-06/install/
[13:29:52] <BeleniX> a mloment
[13:30:00] <damienc> no 'tar' mentioned, just 'bunzip2 -d SUNWonbld.pkg.bz2'
[13:31:02] <jmcp> warlock: oh, hang on, you've escalated from dissing Milan to dissing your entire country
[13:31:05] <jmcp> why?
[13:31:31] <twincest> hey, i have my country too
[13:31:43] <twincest> s/have/hate
[13:31:46] <jmcp> I just dislike my government
[13:31:47] <damienc> warlock: move to a different country.
[13:31:58] <BeleniX> works !
[13:32:02] <damienc> jmcp: did you vote for them.
[13:32:09] <jmcp> damienc: hell no!
[13:32:15] <jmcp> never have, and I doubt I ever will
[13:32:18] <damienc> BeleniX: in future read the install instructions.
[13:32:26] <damienc> jmcp: do you ever vote?
[13:32:35] <jmcp> damienc: yes, every time there's an election
[13:32:42] <jmcp> we have this compulsory voting thing
[13:32:46] <bank> vote for no vote
[13:32:55] <|ReIkO|> warlock: halo player?
[13:33:06] <warlock> jmcp, I told you an important think
[13:33:25] <damienc> jmcp: many people complain about government but they don't vote. I ignore those folks.
[13:33:26] <Yamaraj> I voted only once in my life and regret doing so.
[13:33:38] <warlock> jmcp, I told you that you know because Sysdney is better then Milan
[13:34:01] <jmcp> warlock: yes I remember you said that, but I don't understand why
[13:34:11] <jmcp> I haven't visited Milan so I can't make a comparison
[13:34:22] <bank> :o what happen.
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[13:34:41] <Yamaraj> Do gypsies beat everybody in Italy now?
[13:34:46] <warlock> jmcp, my english does not allow me to explain exactly
[13:34:55] <BeleniX> damienc, this is true , BUT in the osox there is a readme which have section 3.b
[13:34:57] <warlock> jmcp, howeverr..
[13:34:58] <jmcp> give it a go
[13:35:09] <BeleniX> which says to to exacytly what I tried
[13:35:19] <BeleniX> namely : # bzip2 -dc /path/to/SUNWonbld-DATE.PLATFORM.tar.bz2 | tar xf
[13:35:34] <warlock> jmcp, you have felt the air int the North S. area, is not it true?
[13:36:02] <BeleniX> BTW, any idea if I could buid osox (solaris for xeb) with SXCR 46 ? (because there they talk about SXCR 44)
[13:36:11] <warlock> jmcp, you have felt see the sky, the enviroment...
[13:36:26] <jmcp> true, I have
[13:36:29] <jmcp> it's quite open
[13:36:45] <bank> what xen can do?. I ever use live cd. inside it have CentOS .
[13:36:54] <bank> Does Xen = brandZ that is comming in b49?
[13:37:05] <andersmo> bank: nah, Xen != BrandZ.
[13:37:12] <warlock> jmcp, I have difficult to explain you... NS is alive place, Milan is death place
[13:37:24] <jmcp> warlock: ah, now I think I see
[13:37:57] <bank> andersmo : why .. isn't that a virtualization ..
[13:38:28] <bank> I ever read some content at Redhat it's describe ... VMWare , Xen and Solaris Containers in comparison.
[13:38:47] <andersmo> bank: Xen sits between hardware and OS. BrandZ sits between an emulated linux userspace and the solaris kernel. Primitively explained. =)
[13:38:48] <bank> they said it is different implementation. and conclude xen is best.
[13:38:51] <warlock> imcp, I have seen New York st, mexico, Au, Irland, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Belgium, Czeck rep. ...
[13:39:39] <jteo> bank: obviously all whitepapers are objective.
[13:39:50] <warlock> jmcp, and I tell you that you live in one of the most wonderful exciting place in the world
[13:39:55] <jmcp> thankyou
[13:40:02] <jmcp> I just don't like it as much as Brisbane
[13:40:10] <jmcp> I find Sydney too big, too noisy, too crowded
[13:40:17] <jteo> jmcp: i concur! :P
[13:40:27] <jmcp> there's also a certain attitude amongst the residents here which I really don't like
[13:40:34] <warlock> jmcp, have you seen white-cliff?
[13:40:47] <Yamaraj> warlock: Countries are like women. Once you've explored the innards, you stop praising them.
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[13:41:13] <jmcp> warlock: um, where is that?
[13:41:18] <bank> so when or why do we need brandz .. if we can install linux in xen?
[13:41:23] <warlock> Yamaraj, what have you seen in the world??
[13:41:37] <warlock> jmcp, near to broken-hill
[13:41:38] <jmcp> bank: it's a different sort of virtualisation, much more lightweight
[13:42:00] <jmcp> warlock: no, haven't been further west than Orange
[13:42:05] <jmcp> except for Adelaide, which doesn't really count
[13:42:29] <bank> so Zones and BrandZ is the same type of virtualization?
[13:42:46] <warlock> jmcp, I sudgest you to visit White Cliff
[13:42:51] <andersmo> bank: If you run solaris and linux alongside eachother in xen, you'll have two full operating systems running with the resource requirements that entails.
[13:43:17] <andersmo> BrandZ emulates linux' runtime environment in a Solaris Zone.
[13:43:22] <jmcp> warlock: one day I will
[13:43:28] <bank> andersmo ..  so xen is closer to vmware?
[13:44:04] <warlock> jmcp, sorry I forgot the fix for my problem, dou you remember it?
[13:44:12] <bank> ahh I remember someone said zone is very lightweight.
[13:44:20] <Yamaraj> warlock: I've seen enough to form my opinion about places and people. Your dislike for your place is not beyond a simple explanation, and there are people who like Italy more than you do. I'm sure even jmcp doesn't like his place as much as you do.
[13:44:23] <andersmo> bank: VMWare usually runs inside a regular operating system, unlike Xen. But VMWare ESX Server runs on it's own, I think...
[13:45:01] <jmcp> warlock: central problem for you is that you're triyng to xdisplay back to linux - linux Xserver doesn't have the right extensions because the one you need is proprietary
[13:45:05] <bank> Could you describe more a little bit "Unlike Xen"
[13:45:20] <warlock> Yamaraj, I think you better to discover the world out of your urban zone ;-)
[13:45:27] <jmcp> Yamaraj: I wouldn't give up living in Australia for just about anything
[13:45:34] <jmcp> but I love to travel
[13:45:44] <jmcp> it's just bloody expensive to get to anywhere from Australai
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[13:45:57] <warlock> jmcp, an so, what I can do? Can I download these extensions?
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[13:46:18] <jmcp> no :(
[13:46:33] <jmcp> Sun gets through through strict NDA licensing agreements
[13:47:04] <bank> Ok. got it . linux' runtime environment in a Solaris Zone.
[13:47:13] <warlock> jmcp, if I would use opensolaris and not SUN-solaris??
[13:47:18] <bank> an emulated linux userspace and the solaris kernel.
[13:48:25] <jmcp> warlock: I don't follow
[13:48:58] <bank> I found the old whitepaper that ever read. here>> www.redhat.com/f/pdf/virtualization/gunner_virtual_paper2.pdf
[13:49:21] <warlock> jmcp, If I would install opensolaris on my Ultra5 could it be a solution?
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[13:50:31] <Yamaraj> warlock: OpenSolaris is only a code-base. You still have to install Solaris Express, which is based on OpenSolaris.
[13:51:12] <warlock> Yamaraj, ohh I get it, thank you for the explanation
[13:51:23] <bank> ah I see void performance with expense of flexibility.
[13:51:44] <warlock> Yamaraj, I thought it was a completly independent os
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[13:52:02] <jmcp> warlock: yes
[13:52:21] <Yamaraj> warlock: It is not. OpenSolaris is only the kernel + a few things more.
[13:52:48] <warlock> jmcp, yes? It could be the solution?
[13:52:49] <jmcp> Yamaraj: I was skipping over that detail, I figured warlock would figure that out quickly enough
[13:52:52] <bank> nobody talk to me :'(
[13:53:51] <jmcp> warlock: grab a copy of Solaris Express and see how that goes for you. It should work
[13:54:02] <jmcp> then if you want to experiment with OpenSolaris you've got the base foundation right there already
[13:54:07] <Yamaraj> bank: We'll talk to you if you plan on migrating to Australia. ;-)
[13:54:51] <bank> If you help me to find a job I will.
[13:55:10] <bank> (i will graduated in March :P)
[13:56:30] <bank> *bank feel like everyone run away.
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[13:56:54] <warlock> thank you all
[13:57:02] <warlock> bye
[13:57:07] <bank> :O
[13:57:31] <Yamaraj> bank: There are plenty of jobs for diggers. Don't know if Solaris figures in this scenario.
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[13:57:52] <bank> :(
[13:58:07] <bank> thank you Yamaraj :(
[13:59:29] <Yamaraj> Cheer up! At least you'll learn some Kangaroo kick boxing there.
[14:00:43] <bank> Kangaroo kick boxing!!
[14:01:16] <bank> Yamaraj are you at aus?
[14:01:24] <bank> do you live in aus?
[14:01:31] <Yamaraj> Nope.
[14:01:39] <bank> where?
[14:01:42] <bank> chennai
[14:01:47] <bank> bangalore.
[14:01:58] <Yamaraj> Delhi
[14:02:04] <bank> I see.
[14:07:09] <BeleniX> second question about building Xen: there are no closed binaries
[14:07:22] <BeleniX> in the download page for xen
[14:07:38] <BeleniX> if I try nightly opensolaris.sh I get:
[14:07:46] <BeleniX> If the closed sources are not present, ON_CLOSED_BINS
[14:07:47] <BeleniX> must point to the closed binaries tree.
[14:07:54] <BeleniX> any ideas?
[14:08:09] <bank> andersmo
[14:08:09] <jmcp> set that variable in your shell, then re-run nightly.sh
[14:08:28] <BeleniX> jmco, to what to set it ?
[14:08:57] <BeleniX> I don't have close binaries at all
[14:09:10] <jmcp> BeleniX: you need to grab them from dlc.sun.com
[14:09:13] <andersmo> bank: Have you looked at the regular opensolaris download page?
[14:09:20] <BeleniX> yes
[14:09:23] <BeleniX> the thing is
[14:09:30] <BeleniX> the version for xen is osox-src-2006-08-16#
[14:09:32] <bank> Not me (BeleniX)
[14:09:33] <andersmo> s/bank/BeleniX/
[14:09:43] <BeleniX> and in the download
[14:09:54] <BeleniX> there is 206-8-14
[14:09:58] <BeleniX> there is 2006-8-14
[14:10:17] <bank> I gotta go home ,see you all later.
[14:10:18] <BeleniX> should I take the close binaries from there
[14:10:22] <BeleniX> ?
[14:10:31] <BeleniX> there is NO 2006-8-16
[14:10:44] <Yamaraj> bbl
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[14:12:36] <movement> BeleniX: you need the closed binaries from the build that the xen sources are against
[14:12:39] <movement> BeleniX: 44 I think
[14:13:37] <BeleniX> movement, by  44 do you mean SCXR 44 ?
[14:14:03] <BeleniX> Because xen sources should be build on SXCR 44
[14:14:10] <BeleniX> According to the docs
[14:14:24] <movement> yes
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[14:15:01] <movement> BeleniX: but to be honest I don't think we've had anyone try to build our sources outside yet. is there a specific reason you're doing so?
[14:15:27] <BeleniX> movement, the reason is this
[14:15:41] <BeleniX> I am interested in Xen and know a lot of Xen on linux
[14:15:59] <BeleniX> BTW , in linux it is a piece of cake to build them
[14:16:02] <BeleniX> And
[14:16:18] <BeleniX> I think of developing for Xen on solaris
[14:16:40] <BeleniX> Because many things are still to be done
[14:16:47] <movement> indeed :)
[14:17:15] <BeleniX> so in order to learn it  seriously i want to be able to modify the code , etc
[14:17:23] <BeleniX> this is the reason
[14:18:00] <BeleniX> Regarding closed bins :  How can I know to which open solaris version does SXCR 44 correspond ?
[14:18:47] <BeleniX> (I am still optimistic about building it ...)
[14:19:21] <movement> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/b44/
[14:19:58] <BeleniX> you mean that SXCR 44 is equivalent to osol b44 ? I suppose it is not always so ?
[14:20:22] <movement> not always but probably good enough
[14:20:33] <movement> to be honest, we haven't actually tried this, you're treading new ground :)
[14:21:00] <BeleniX> movement, I will try my best ... and report results ...
[14:21:27] <BeleniX> Any how , as fat as I understand, this closed bins are for runtime
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[14:21:46] <BeleniX> which means that even if I put here a wrong version of closed bins
[14:22:01] <BeleniX> it would still perform the "nightly opensolaris.sh" &
[14:22:06] <BeleniX> without any problems
[14:22:23] <BeleniX> because there is no linkage against them in the build process
[14:23:03] <movement> possibly, but you might get nasty surprises when you try and boot with the new bfu...
[14:23:18] <movement> I updated the xen instructions with a pointer to the closed bins package
[14:23:25] <BeleniX> movement, thnks
[14:23:36] <movement> let us know how it goes (on #solaris-xen on irc.oftc.net preferably)
[14:24:01] <BeleniX> movement, no I am building it.. on x86_64 xeon ; it will take about 4 hours I assume
[14:24:12] <BeleniX> movement, WOW !!!!
[14:24:34] <BeleniX> movement, i did not know that you had an IRC channel for xen
[14:24:44] <BeleniX> of course I will report results there
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[14:28:43] <movement> yes there's usually a couple of us there at least
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[14:46:36] <sickness> yeah
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[14:58:52] <bank> :D
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[15:12:40] <sickness> hi eboutilier
[15:12:55] <eboutilier> hi sickness
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[15:23:50] <ProfMikey> I feel quiet lost, where do I get b49 iso? the link at the topic doesnt contain one or I am blind...and the official sun download site has b48
[15:24:11] <richlowe> you don't, the "Latest Build" section of the topic is refering to the source.
[15:24:18] <richlowe> the SXCR: bit of the topic is referring to the iso.
[15:24:19] <richlowe> :)
[15:24:38] <ProfMikey> aham
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[15:24:58] <ProfMikey> thanks, that clears things up for me a little bit
[15:25:48] <eboutilier> ProfMikey: Does reading this page help:
[15:25:53] <eboutilier>  http://opensolaris.org/os/about/distributions/
[15:26:47] <ProfMikey> yes, it does, thanks
[15:26:52] <eboutilier> :)
[15:27:01] <ProfMikey> :)
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[15:39:52] <bank> hi
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[16:06:57] <asyd> anyone know if solaris work on VIA C7 processor ?
[16:07:16] <quasi> asyd: have you checked the HCL? ;)
[16:08:17] <asyd> I found nothing about VIA processor
[16:08:30] <asyd> +C
[16:10:59] <quasi> I know it ran on the older series with some extra drivers for net and sound
[16:12:44] <sickness> yeah it worked well on the c3
[16:13:00] <asyd> ok
[16:13:02] <sickness> anyway the hcl is totally useless, there are no real things there...
[16:13:25] <quasi> agreed
[16:13:29] <asyd> I really hope Solaris work on C7
[16:13:32] <asyd> quasi: so what you ask ? ;p
[16:13:39] <asyd> (I'm joking)
[16:14:04] <quasi> asyd: well, you could have been lucky...
[16:14:28] <quasi> asyd: but I doubt you'll have much luck on c7
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[16:14:49] <asyd> :/
[16:15:37] <|ReIkO|> hi asyd
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[16:15:59] <|ReIkO|> I'm still fighting against 0x4003f866 in SSL_CTX_load_verify_locations () from /usr/lib/libssl.so.0
[16:16:06] <|ReIkO|> segfault
[16:17:27] <asyd> have you initialized your key store ? I tried to use the openssl API, seem you missed lot of things.
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[16:19:30] <|ReIkO|> can  you paste me your code?
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[19:37:46] <elektronkind> prg3: not now, but that functionality has been discussed on the zfs-discuss mailing list. I don't know if the idea will go through or not... check the archives
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[19:38:26] <prg3> elektronkind, Thanks, I think that "not now" is good enough for me for now :)  I did a few searches, but couldn't dig up anything
[19:38:33] <prg3> (before asking)
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[19:42:33] <elektronkind> prg3: hold that thought
[19:42:38] <elektronkind> apparently you can... now
[19:42:39] <elektronkind> http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=11130&tstart=15
[19:42:47] <elektronkind> oh wait
[19:42:51] <elektronkind> no, that's a proposal
[19:43:25] <elektronkind> but you can assign a user a roll:
[19:43:25] <elektronkind> Today you can give someone the 'ZFS File System Management' role to
[19:43:25] <elektronkind> allow them to manipulate ZFS datasets.  For finer grained control, we're
[19:43:26] <elektronkind> planning on building it directly into ZFS:
[19:43:37] <elektronkind> er role
[19:43:52] <prg3> Cool
[19:44:13] <elektronkind> but that's very broad it seems
[19:44:14] <prg3> However, since I'm trying to stick with Sun released binaries for now..
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[19:44:23] <prg3> it'll take a while to figure itself out :)
[19:45:11] <elektronkind> yucan assign a person that "ZFS File System Management" role now... but they'll also be able to create volumes, screw with pools, and so on.
[19:45:24] <elektronkind> jeez my typing is so off today.
[19:45:29] <elektronkind> "yucan"
[19:45:34] * elektronkind fwaps himself
[19:45:40] <prg3> For some reason I just don't think that's a good idea :)  suid script might be an option...
[19:45:54] <elektronkind> probably
[19:46:08] <prg3> or just use cron and give them daily/weekly or something
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[20:01:47] <prg3> elektronkind, Thanks for the help!
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[20:15:15] <bank> so quiet.
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[20:15:38] <trygvis> I wish I was drunk
[20:16:46] <kleppari> drunk computing is not fun
[20:16:51] <ethospir> I have a Buffalo cardbus wireless card (WLI-CB-G54 / Broadcom chipset). Is ndiswrapper the best way to get it running ?
[20:18:18] <bank> Why at this time. people drunk :O
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[20:28:35] <stevel> ethospir: ndiswrapper is the only way ATM
[20:28:49] <ethospir> thanks
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[20:33:51] <ethospir> I take ndiswrapper from sourceforge ? there is nothing solaris specific about it right ?
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[20:47:57] <_william_> hi all
[20:51:10] <richlowe> ethospir: http://opensolaris.org/os/community/laptop/wireless/ndis/
[20:53:12] <ProfMikey> hmm
[20:53:26] <ProfMikey> even my ath wifi card works
[20:53:33] <ProfMikey> perfect
[20:53:57] <clee> does OS have bcm43xx support?
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[21:06:14] <twincest> OS is going to become a very confusing acronym, i sense is
[21:06:35] <Error_404> that's why i guess everyone calls it opensol
[21:06:42] <trygvis> osol!
[21:06:58] <axisys> how to convert ufs data to zfs?
[21:07:07] <twincest> axi: create zfs, copy, delete ufs
[21:07:08] <Error_404> axisys: copy it over?
[21:07:18] <axisys> a flasharchive would help?
[21:07:31] <twincest> you could use flar, cpio or so seems more normal though
[21:08:40] <richlowe> star!
[21:08:41] <Error_404> tarballs would work as well
[21:12:15] <axisys> now star is what i have not used yet.. i read the doc and seems next gen of posix or gnu tar
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[21:58:11] <Error_404> *sigh* building a diff of the O/N source takes forever
[22:02:25] <richlowe> ... about 6 seconds?
[22:03:41] <Error_404> 'bout 5 minutes on this machine
[22:03:53] <Error_404> diff between solaris-b47 and polaris
[22:04:02] <richlowe> much bigger diff then, and svn.
[22:04:03] <richlowe> doh.
[22:04:10] <richlowe> (I was timing hg diff, so...)
[22:05:22] <Error_404> no, not svn
[22:05:25] <Error_404> just diff(1)
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[22:40:01] <AbeFroman> 6452642 USB Urgent Issue: thumper/Galaxy paused ~5-8 minute during boot
[22:40:03] <AbeFroman> hooray
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[23:04:35] <gisburn> Anyone speaking german here ?
[23:04:43] <gisburn> er
[23:04:44] <Peanut> Yup
[23:04:49] <gisburn> Does anyone speak german here ?
[23:05:01] <Peanut> Wieso?
[23:05:04] 
[23:05:10] <Peanut> 'Get well soon
[23:05:55] <gisburn> Peanut: thanks! :-)
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[23:12:35] <axisys> how do you get the expiration of a certificate? It is failing for me like this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fqQLeX76.html
[23:13:31] <asyd> your certificate is not in X509/pem/ber format
[23:13:46] <asyd> where it comes from ?
[23:14:11] <mrdeviant> did you try -inform der  ?
[23:14:24] <asyd> s#/ber##
[23:14:34] <mrdeviant> no, i meant der
[23:14:35] <axisys> asyd: i got it couple years ago from our IT
[23:14:52] <asyd> mrdeviant: the regex was from _my_ sentnce :p
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[23:15:10] <asyd> axisys: hmm let me rephrase, you use it with what ?
[23:15:23] <trygvis> I have default 0 and timeout 10 in /boot/grub/menu.lst, yet grub won't load solaris before I press the enter key .. anyone got a clue to why not?
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[23:15:38] <asyd> its ~{
[23:16:02] <axisys> mrdeviant: i get this now http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ArjeSo53.html
[23:16:27] <axisys> asyd: i use it to query the ldap at DMZ of our company
[23:17:06] <asyd> ok. A final try, which service, processus, something *real* use(d) this certificate
[23:17:10] <asyd> SuneOne DS ?
[23:17:23] <asyd> a java application ?
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[23:17:32] <twincest> sunone DS is C, afaik
[23:18:15] <axisys> openldap 2.0.7
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[23:22:40] <Gman> morning dudes!
[23:23:04] <hile_> hey Glynn
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[23:25:53] <axisys> asyd: would u know how to find what format my certificate is? i know it is functional .. i have been using it everyday
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[23:26:22] <asyd> what give file cert.db
[23:26:37] <axisys> i tried openssl verify cert7.db
[23:26:46] <axisys> did not work..
[23:26:58] <axisys> not sure but i thought openssl could read it
[23:27:22] <asyd> well, it this file is really use by openldap, openssl should be able to read id;
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[23:28:38] <axisys> asyd: it has a key3.db file in same dir
[23:29:39] <asyd> I'm more or less sure this is not used by openldap but by solaris ldpa client
[23:29:54] <axisys> ldapsearch -b "ou=people,o=west.com" -h $LDAP_SERVER -p $PORT -Z -P $CERT -D "uid=sysldapq,ou=people,o=west.com" -w $PASS "uid=$1"
[23:29:59] <axisys> i am running it like this
[23:30:03] <axisys> it works
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[23:30:23] <axisys> CERT=/home/axisys/cert7.db
[23:30:41] <axisys> PASS=password of "uid=sysldapq,ou=people,o=west.com"
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[23:31:29] <axisys> i just did a query and it worked
[23:31:34] <asyd> are you sure that ldapsearch is the one of openldap ?
[23:31:36] <axisys> exact syntax in a wrapper
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[23:32:42] <asyd> ok, as I said, it's not used by openldap's ldapsearch but by sun ldapsearh
[23:34:24] <axisys> asyd: let me run using /usr/local/bin/ldapsearch which is defitely part of openldap
[23:37:23] <Error_404> anyone seen dclarke around in a couple days?
[23:37:43] <Error_404> he sortof was like... "let's port solaris to powerpc... NINJA VANISH *POOF*"
[23:37:44] <axisys> asyd: i guess u r right.. according to pkgchk the size and checksum failed http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/GcYup935.html
[23:37:55] <Error_404> i haven't seen him since sun threw some code over the wall
[23:37:56] <asyd> Error_404: :)
[23:38:23] <axisys> full path of ldapsearch works but i am guessing it has been overwritten at somepoint
[23:38:39] <sommerfeld> maybe the code landed on top of him :-)
[23:38:43] <axisys> atleast according to pkgchk
[23:39:42] <asyd> axisys: certutil --help
[23:39:45] <Error_404> sommerfeld: heh
[23:39:48] <asyd> and ... good luck
[23:39:51] <asyd> time to sleep for me
[23:40:00] <tsoome> a live upgrade is a little buggy it seems...
[23:40:14] <richlowe> the only thing that hits me is the ZFS thing.
[23:40:30] <richlowe> and then only because I always forget I need to work around it until its too late.
[23:40:51] <asyd> (you can take some examples from http://asyd.net/home/docs/ldap/sunone though)
[23:46:37] <elektronkind> is it generally considered a Good Thing to use event ports in leu of poll(2) these days?
[23:47:00] <elektronkind> or even poll(7D)
[23:47:33] <trygvis> if I have c2t...d0s{0-15}, which one is the s2-like partition? I'm trying to create a zpool containing s2 but it's complaining about s2 overlapping with s8
[23:47:46] <trygvis> there are also p0-4 devices
[23:48:05] <elektronkind> trygvis: you're trying to use the whole disk ?
[23:48:19] <trygvis> yep
[23:48:37] <elektronkind> trygvis: just tell zpool to use the device sans the slice.. ie zpool ... c2t2d0 c2t3d0 ...
[23:48:43] <trygvis> clever
[23:49:04] <axisys> asyd: i only have the ldapsearch and all relevant libraries i think .. certutil is missing
[23:49:41] <elektronkind> trygvis: yeah, zpool will do what it needs to do to use the whole d isk
[23:49:57] <Tpenta> stevel: I actually had the x64 bins done last night, but I'm trying to get a machine set up right for sparc
[23:49:58] <trygvis> yah, I see .. thanks!
[23:50:53] <tsoome> axisys: /usr/sfw/bin/certutil ?
[23:51:34] <sommerfeld> electronkind: if you are waiting for a large number of concurrent events; poll is O(N) per wait event while event ports are O(1)
[23:51:34] <trygvis> I wonder why the light on the storedge keeps on flashing .. like drives are under 110% load
[23:51:36] <axisys> tsoome: naah its a sol 8
[23:51:53] <elektronkind> trygvis: it is a 3510 or 3511 ?
[23:52:03] <axisys> asyd: i see lot of tech stuff in your page.. i will keep it handy
[23:52:08] <trygvis> 3511
[23:52:21] <tsoome> axisys: then get nss binaries from mozilla.org
[23:53:02] <elektronkind> trygvis: it's the automatic media check which kicks on automatically after you power-on or reset a 3510/3511. You can't turn it off with the telnet menu on them, but you can with the sccli command on an attached host.
[23:53:09] <tsoome> i think they were in ftp...
[23:53:21] <axisys> tsoome: i have two files in same dir cert7.db and key3.db
[23:53:27] <trygvis> but it's been doing that since I turned it on a while back .. like a few days
[23:53:36] <elektronkind> trygvis: it's annoying. it just sits there and constantly scans your drives ad infinitum
[23:53:37] <axisys> tsoome: let me follow up on that
[23:53:50] <trygvis> sounds like a nice way to burn up the drives to me
[23:54:06] <elektronkind> that's my thought, too
[23:54:09] <axisys> site:mozilla.org nss first link
[23:54:11] <trygvis> weird
[23:54:25] <elektronkind> I log in through sccli and turn it off.
[23:54:53] <trygvis> can I do that permanently?
[23:55:09] <elektronkind> I haven't found a way to do it permanently :/
[23:55:14] <axisys> tsoome: looking for the binary
[23:55:34] <elektronkind> but I rarely if ever reset or turn off my 3510s and '11s
[23:55:47] <trygvis> true
[23:56:06] <axisys> tsoome: which one from here for sol 8? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/security/nss/releases/NSS_3_10_RTM/
[23:56:12] <tsoome> axisys: there will be bin and lib dirs, you have to put this lib into LD_LIBRARY path or bin utils will fail
[23:56:40] <elektronkind> sommerfeld: I see
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[23:56:58] <tsoome> axisys: you have to try them I'm afraid.
[23:57:11] <axisys> tsoome: sounds cool.. thnx dude
[23:57:14] <sommerfeld> poll on or two fd's may be more efficient.  but if you want to behave well with thousands of fd's ..
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[23:59:59] <elektronkind> yeah. I just found a good block entry by dap on poll vs. /dev/poll vs. ports





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