[00:03:11] <Error_404> *nod*
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[00:09:21] <dclarke> BFU == Bonwick-Faulkner Upgrade
[00:09:51] <dclarke> geez .. I always thought it means Big F^%king Update
[00:11:43] <jamesd> blindingly fast upgrade is the othe commonly used meaining.
[00:17:54] <dclarke> SunOS phobos 5.11 snv_20060925 i86pc i386 i86pc
[00:18:02] <dclarke> nice .. thats up to date I think
[00:27:06] <dclarke> this is driving me nuts ...
[00:27:11] <dclarke> WARNING: BIOS microcode patch for AMD Athlon(tm) 64/Opteron(tm) processor
[00:27:12] <dclarke> erratum 109 was not detected; updating your system's BIOS to a version
[00:27:13] <dclarke> containing this microcode patch is HIGHLY recommended or erroneous system
[00:27:15] <dclarke> operation may occur.
[00:31:55] <dclarke> oooh baby .. http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/current/
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[00:42:43] <Error_404> new JDS?
[00:43:24] <dclarke> looks brand new
[00:43:42] <dclarke> 29-Sep-2006 03:52
[00:44:34] <dclarke> its freaking huge
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[00:45:19] <dclarke> alanc around ?
[00:45:36] <dclarke> oh .. never mind
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[00:48:34] <trygvis> hmm
[00:48:51] <trygvis> have anyone been able to use gtkpod with a nano on solaris 10?
[00:49:22] <dclarke> I have no clue about it
[00:49:33] <dclarke> not very helpful .. sorry
[00:50:26] <trygvis> I was able to mount the partition on linux but not under solaris
[00:50:35] <trygvis> I suspect it's an issue with the pcfs driver
[00:50:57] <dclarke> at the risk of sounding like a moron here
[00:51:08] <dclarke> your talking about the iPod nano right ?
[00:51:17] <trygvis> yep
[00:51:40] <Error_404> mine's HFS+, so solaris + ipod = no anyways
[00:51:43] <trygvis> gtkpod is a gtk-based tool for manipulation the itunes database on the pod
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[00:51:58] <dclarke> the objective of gtkpod is to mount the filesystem exposed by the device ?
[00:52:07] <dclarke> okay .. gotcha
[00:52:10] <trygvis> no, it's the itunes replacement
[00:52:13] <dclarke> thats a "need" I think
[00:52:42] <dclarke> then again .. I still have a SONY MD-Walkman here
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[01:13:23] <dclarke> hello
[01:13:44] <dclarke> anyone here recall th famous Intel 486 poster that was released ?
[01:13:58] <dclarke> It had a big color picture of the i80486 die
[01:14:13] <dclarke> I am  wondering if there is somthing similar for : http://www.sun.com/processors/UltraSPARC-IVplus/images/I1_ultrasparc_ivplus_lg.jpg ??
[01:20:19] <dwc-> trygvis: part of the reason I got a music player that requires no such strange software
[01:20:46] <dwc-> plug it in ... usb mass storage device.
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[01:24:51] <Error_404> dclarke: what 486 poster?
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[01:25:23] <dclarke> I'll see if I can find an image on the net
[01:25:35] <dclarke> Intel released a big cool poster back in 91 or so
[01:25:53] <Error_404> http://www.microprocessor.sscc.ru/chiplist/i486-1.jpg something like that?
[01:26:07] <dclarke> ha ha
[01:26:11] <dclarke> exactly that
[01:26:33] <dclarke> except the version that I had was five feet high or bigger
[01:27:10] <dclarke> I thought maybe Sun had a picture somewhere of the UltraSparc IV
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[01:27:57] <dclarke> I did find nice microscope pictures of beer
[01:28:00] <dclarke> http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/beershots/index.html
[01:28:44] <Error_404> that's pretty cool
[01:30:17] <dclarke> this is just fascinating : http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/technical/packaging.html
[01:30:35] <dclarke> thats a Silicon Graphics MIPS R12000
[01:30:58] <dclarke> it says :
[01:31:02] <dclarke> We usually scan the entire chip at low (2.5x to 5x) magnification to identify areas most likely to contain the silicon creatures. These areas are usually found in the voids between registers and caches or near the bonding pads, but many chips also have a "signature" area where the type of chip, designer credits, and company logo are displayed. It is often in this area that designers place the tiny cartoon creatures.
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[01:32:47] <jamesd> wb silly_girl22
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[01:49:30] <silly_girl22> thanks
[01:49:43] <silly_girl22> jamesd: what distro of linux are you using?
[01:50:27] <jamesd> debian for most stuff and fedora when i find bugs in systemtap.
[01:50:45] <silly_girl22> same here
[01:50:58] <silly_girl22> debian etch and planning on installed fedora 6 on oct 11 when its released
[01:54:39] <dclarke> there is a FC 6 ?
[01:54:43] <dclarke> geez ..
[01:54:47] <dclarke> I still have 4 here
[01:56:36] <dclarke> I think I'll go looking for the latest FC for AMD64 or x86
[01:56:47] <dclarke> with VMWare I better keep it to x86 only
[01:58:44] <silly_girl22> FC6 on Oct11
[01:58:59] <silly_girl22> dclarke: you might want to wait untill oct11
[01:59:19] <dclarke> I'm not exactly a big Linux user
[01:59:28] <dclarke> if I showed you what I have here now .. you would gag
[01:59:40] <silly_girl22> this is how i use solaris
[01:59:50] <silly_girl22> Xnext -ac -query solaris :1
[02:00:07] <dclarke> what the heck is that ?
[02:00:18] <silly_girl22> it logs in solaris over the network
[02:00:25] <silly_girl22> not logs in
[02:00:30] <dclarke> you could just use ssh
[02:00:32] <silly_girl22> takes me to the gdm login screen
[02:00:38] <silly_girl22> no, this is more like vnc
[02:00:39] <dclarke> oh
[02:01:31] <dclarke> ready for a giggle ?
[02:01:36] <dclarke> [dclarke@zoot dclarke]$ uname -a
[02:01:37] <dclarke> Linux zoot 2.2.14-5.0smp #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 21:01:40 EST 2000 i686 unknown
[02:02:06] <silly_girl22> whats zoot lol
[02:02:29] <silly_girl22> heres mine
[02:02:30] <silly_girl22> $ uname -a
[02:02:31] <silly_girl22> Linux debian 2.6.16-2-k7 #1 Fri Aug 18 19:48:42 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:02:37] <dclarke> zoot was the project name for Red Hat 6.2
[02:02:43] <silly_girl22> gosh
[02:02:58] <dclarke> note the 2.2 kernel rev there
[02:03:03] <silly_girl22> yep, i did
[02:03:09] <silly_girl22> definately time to update
[02:03:18] <dclarke> I use it sometimes for testing virtualization and old machine stuff
[02:03:23] <silly_girl22> but if you are using a system with old hardware, then you really should try damn small linux
[02:03:25] <dclarke> nah .. it works
[02:03:40] <dclarke> Red Hat 6.2 is pretty damn small already
[02:03:45] <dclarke> this runs in 64MB of RAM
[02:04:03] <silly_girl22> dsl = 50 megabytes and one of the best in management of resources
[02:04:20] <silly_girl22> good combination of software and fluxbox
[02:04:38] <silly_girl22> stripped down fluxbox
[02:04:43] <silly_girl22> dsl version
[02:05:02] <dclarke> like I said .. I'm not much of a Linux user
[02:05:14] <silly_girl22> i need some help with sendmail in solaris
[02:05:23] <silly_girl22> its not working and im getting errors when solaris starts
[02:05:26] <dclarke> yijes
[02:05:35] <dclarke> like what sort of errors ?
[02:05:47] <silly_girl22> well i cant see them cause im using solaris over the network
[02:05:59] <dclarke> they will be in your syslog
[02:06:09] <dclarke> or maybe messages if things are real bad
[02:06:12] <dclarke> cd /var
[02:06:14] <dclarke> cd adm
[02:06:15] <silly_girl22> solaris doesnt have a monitor, mouse, keyboard, etc, just ethernet
[02:06:16] <dclarke> ls
[02:06:22] <silly_girl22> okay, checking
[02:06:26] <dclarke> it has all of those ..
[02:06:37] <dclarke> just your particular box doesn't
[02:06:57] <dclarke> and most of the world, that I know anyways, runs racks of servers with no mouse or anything .. just ehterent and a console
[02:07:06] <dclarke> which is perfect by my standards
[02:07:47] <silly_girl22> messages.0 ??
[02:07:56] <dclarke> anyways .. any error messages in /var/adm/messages ?
[02:08:06] <dclarke> messages.o is a roll over
[02:08:21] <dclarke> after the messages gets big enough or you reboot you can get a message new file
[02:08:35] <dclarke> tough to say the exact algorithm .. I never looked into it really :-\
[02:10:16] <silly_girl22> i dont have any errors about it in messages, just the older ones messages.0 through 3
[02:10:29] <silly_girl22> 0 through 2
[02:10:30] <dclarke> anything in /var/log/syslog ?
[02:10:36] <silly_girl22> /var/adm/messages.2:Sep 10 03:07:35 unknown sendmail[371]: [ID 702911 mail.alert] unable to qualify my own domain name (unknown) -- using short name
[02:10:54] <dclarke> oh .. that dumb thing
[02:10:57] <dclarke> easy to fix
[02:11:10] <silly_girl22> i dont get that error anymore so maybe its fixed
[02:11:12] <dclarke> just edit your hosts file and stick in a fqn for this box
[02:11:23] <silly_girl22> whats a fqn?
[02:11:24] <dclarke> what rev of solaris is this ?
[02:11:38] <silly_girl22> SunOS solaris 5.10 Generic_118855-14 i86pc i386 i86pc
[02:11:38] <dclarke> fully qualified name == foo.domain.com for example
[02:11:43] <silly_girl22> i have that now
[02:11:50] <silly_girl22> i think thats why i dont get the errors anymore
[02:11:51] <dclarke> okay .. thats pretty recent
[02:12:07] <silly_girl22> is it okay if my domain has port redirection?
[02:12:14] <dclarke> what do you get for   grep loghost /etc/inet/hosts
[02:12:15] <silly_girl22> and uses a specific port
[02:12:33] <silly_girl22> no output from that
[02:13:01] <dclarke> thats .. odd
[02:13:05] <dclarke> and maybe wrong
[02:13:22] <dclarke> do you have multiple Solaris boxes and a centralized syslog recipient ?
[02:13:36] <silly_girl22> did you mean local host?
[02:13:42] <dclarke> I mean log messgaes go to a central server somewhere
[02:13:56] <dclarke> no .. I meant precisely loghost
[02:14:02] <dclarke> $ grep loghost /etc/inet/hosts
[02:14:04] <dclarke> 192.168.35.40   phobos  loghost
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[02:14:12] <dclarke> like that
[02:16:58] <silly_girl22> was i supposed to set that up?
[02:17:21] <silly_girl22> my logs should be sent to another computer?
[02:17:27] <dclarke> uh no .. it should have been entered automagically for you at install
[02:17:35] <dclarke> no no ..
[02:17:40] <dclarke> not necessarily
[02:17:55] <dclarke> but you can see that someone with a whole datacenter would not login to each machine to see logs
[02:18:09] <dclarke> they get mailed or sent to a syslog daemon on a central machine
[02:18:29] <dclarke> normally Solaris boxes listen for inbound connections on a syslog port
[02:18:36] <dclarke> it has to be shut off manually
[02:18:51] <silly_girl22> looks like my isp is using solaris
[02:19:16] <dclarke> a lot do
[02:19:27] <dclarke> the config is in /etc/syslog.conf
[02:19:57] <silly_girl22> should my loghost be the same computer (localhost)?
[02:20:17] <dclarke> generally its the local machine yes
[02:20:40] <dclarke> there is a chance that the file /etc/default/syslogd can specify that syslog
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[02:20:52] <dclarke> messages go to some other machine ot that this machine receives from others
[02:20:58] <dclarke> all manner of possibilities
[02:21:05] <dclarke> but the general default case
[02:21:14] <dclarke> is that your /etc/inet/hosts files will specify
[02:21:22] <dclarke> that the loghost is this machine
[02:21:27] <dclarke> not localhost
[02:21:40] <silly_girl22> in syslogd, everything is commented out
[02:21:41] <dclarke> but this machine .. the actual hostname for a given interface
[02:22:14] <dclarke> well .. the oly entry I generally care about there is LOG_FROM_REMOTE=NO
[02:22:33] <dclarke> that tells my machine to not receive remote submissions from other boxes
[02:22:56] <silly_girl22> it says yes but its commented out. should i uncomment it and set it as no?
[02:22:57] <dclarke> you have to pardon me ..
[02:23:05] <dclarke> thats the default
[02:23:06] <dclarke> its fine
[02:23:16] <dclarke> unless the box is sitting on the internet
[02:23:28] <dclarke> you have to pardon me .. I have to move to anther box ..
[02:23:31] <silly_girl22> nope
[02:23:38] <dclarke> I have some work to do on a OpenSolaris server here
[02:23:42] <silly_girl22> but i dont need extra daemons running that dont get used
[02:23:55] <dclarke> well .. that one you want to leave running
[02:23:56] <silly_girl22> can i have linux send logs to solaris?
[02:24:04] <dclarke> but you can tell it to not listen to other boxes
[02:24:10] <dclarke> so edit that and change it to NO
[02:24:13] <dclarke> uncomment it
[02:24:22] <dclarke> then you need to tell syslog to restart
[02:24:40] <dclarke> I think that is done with a svcadm -v command of some sort
[02:24:47] <dclarke> I'll need to look it up
[02:24:52] <silly_girl22> dont worry about it
[02:24:57] <silly_girl22> solaris is behind 2 routers
[02:25:05] <dclarke> its fine
[02:25:20] <silly_girl22> so how can i fix the loghost and sendmail problem?
[02:25:34] <silly_girl22> i guess sendmail is working fine now. should i test it?
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[02:25:51] <dclarke> edit your /etc/hosts
[02:25:58] <dclarke> find the line for this machine
[02:26:04] <dclarke> add a tab and then a fqn there
[02:26:10] <sickness> evening all
[02:26:28] <silly_girl22> well like i said
[02:26:36] <dclarke> just so long as it looks like   hostname  192.xx.xx.xx  loghost  hostname.foobar.com
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[02:26:49] <silly_girl22> i had added something to /etc/hosts before and thats probably why i only have those errors in the older logs
[02:26:52] <dclarke> then you're fine
[02:27:01] <dclarke> uh huh
[02:27:10] <dclarke> okay .. pardon me .. I'm doing a shutdown here
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[02:29:50] <bitvector2> What is the current status of Solaris support for SPARC v8 processors? (embedded LEON3 for example)
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[02:31:01] <galt> v8?  that's sun4m, right?  dropped as of sol10
[02:35:10] <bitvector2> is the code still in OpenSolaris?  is there a way I can build OpenSolaris with support for v8?
[02:35:33] <elektronkind> nope. it's gone in solaris 10
[02:35:56] <elektronkind> I believe all vestiges of anything < UltraSPARC-II is removed
[02:36:30] <elektronkind> the last 4m systems were produced, what, 10 years ago at least?
[02:36:53] <bitvector2> sure but remember I'm talking about an embedded processor use
[02:37:13] <bitvector2> http://www.gaisler.com/leonmain.html
[02:39:36] <elektronkind> that's cool, but you're still out of luck, I'm afraid :(
[02:40:25] <bitvector2> :( back to the drawing board... http://www.srisc.com/
[02:42:51] <elektronkind> if you want some histroy, there's been some heated discussion on the opensol-discuss list in the past about bringing back sun4m
[02:43:14] <elektronkind> there were several understandable technical points against doing so
[02:44:35] <bitvector2> oh I bet
[02:45:26] <bitvector2> I just hope that the embedded market place can adopt a 64-bit soft core LOL
[02:45:49] <bitvector2> How is the polaris project progressing?
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[02:55:25] <dclarke> test
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[02:56:14] <dclarke> try this again ..
[02:56:15] <dclarke> test
[02:56:16] <elektronkind> bitvector2: ask dclarke :)
[02:56:40] <dclarke> okay .. gaim seems to be working here
[02:56:46] <dclarke> ask me what ?
[02:56:59] <elektronkind> bitvector2 wants to know how polaris is doing
[02:57:22] <dclarke> its doing .. barely
[02:57:36] <dclarke> meaning that we can expect a major code drop on Monday
[02:57:51] <dclarke> from there we will merge the code with the Subversion repo
[02:58:01] <dclarke> then we begin code review of the kernel boot process
[02:58:06] <dclarke> probably line by line
[02:58:16] <dclarke> I will be looking into the memory management architecture
[02:58:29] <dclarke> and the virtual memeory address space issues and page tables etc etc
[02:58:41] <dclarke> so .. its making progress .. slowly
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[02:59:28] <dclarke> anyone know how to mounts a USB memory stick ?
[02:59:29] <elektronkind> I kind of wish I had access to our ppc cluster at school to try this on
[03:02:10] <bitvector2> dclarke, is there going to be a website update soon to include what sorts of help is needed?
[03:02:30] <dclarke> yes
[03:02:40] <dclarke> see http://polaris.blastwave.org
[03:02:46] <dclarke> see a link there for taskmap ?
[03:03:29] <dclarke> easy huh ?
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[03:03:45] <bitvector2> yep and no ;)
[03:03:47] <dclarke> its like I have an answer for everything and infrastructure in place :-)
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[03:05:20] <sickness> dclarke: it's easy if you can see it with an rmformat
[03:05:28] <bitvector2> dclarke: will polaris be supporting smaller embedded type processors such as the PowerPC 405?
[03:08:29] <dclarke> sure .. the whole idea initially was to support the embedded proc on the V20z
[03:08:34] <dclarke> look .. gotta go ..
[03:08:39] <bitvector2> ok
[03:08:41] <dclarke> running vermillion update here
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[03:08:49] <sickness> I go to bed too, 'nite all
[03:10:17] <bitvector2> thanks elektronkind
[03:10:30] <elektronkind> no problem
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[03:27:10] <kimc> nite all
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[03:52:42] <silly_girl22> can someone help me or tell me where to find documentation for solaris sendmail using with isp, so that sendmail in solaris uses my isps servers to send email to normal places such as yahoo mail or hotmail
[03:53:33] <jmcp> silly_girl22: there's a line in your /etc/mail/sendmail.cf which starts          DS
[03:54:02] <elektronkind> sd45: /pci@1,0/pci1000,10c0@4/sd@3,0
[03:54:02] <elektronkind>         Make/Model/Rev: SEAGATE ST3146807LC (DS09)
[03:54:02] <elektronkind>         Controller: mpt2
[03:54:03] <jmcp> silly_girl22: change it to read something like                 DSmail.myisp.com
[03:54:03] <elektronkind>         Speed: 320
[03:54:14] <elektronkind> my little libdevinfo thingy is coming along (slowly)
[03:54:35] <elektronkind> and whoa does it look like spaghetti code
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[03:55:24] <eugene> does brandz support linux distributions with 2.6 kernel?
[03:57:01] <silly_girl22> is it safe to do that to the /etc/mail/sendmail.cf? i see a message saying "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE! Only edit the source .mc file.
[03:59:24] <jmcp> silly_girl22: generally, yes it is safe as long as that's all you need to change
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[04:18:34] <elektronkind> apparently not all scsi drivers are created equal
[04:19:02] * elektronkind settles on picking apart scsi-options
[04:20:58] <silly_girl22> svcadm is something new for me. restarting a service doesnt seem to work or apply new changing, but disabling and enabling does. id send a hump signal if i knew how
[04:21:02] <jmcp> elektronkind: I wrote an infodoc about that
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[04:23:28] <elektronkind> jmcp: got the number handy?
[04:23:29] <jmcp> elektronkind: infodoc 77946 "what do those scsi_options in /etc/system mean?"
[04:23:47] <jmcp> I wrote the LTO faq too - 80893
[04:24:02] <elektronkind> yeah, I'm doing a comparison with what I found in sys/scsi/conf/autoconf.h
[04:24:35] <elektronkind>  if (SCSI_OPTION_SOMETHING & blah) printf "something is enabled"
[04:24:44] * jmcp wanders off to have lunch
[04:25:34] <elektronkind> the thing is, is that while mpt will make a whole lot of nice stats such as per-target width and sync speeds, cadp160 and others don't.
[04:26:30] <elektronkind> but scsi-options seems common, but I'm not sure if that will tell you what the buss is capable of or what the buss is currently at.
[04:27:10] <elektronkind> ie: if I put in a fast320-capable card with nothing but fast40 targets, what will it tell me?
[04:27:21] <jmcp> hba drivers that Sun has sustaining requirements for tend to get kstats
[04:27:47] <jmcp> look at the per-target scsi options, which actually reflect what the target has told the hba it is capable of
[04:27:48] <elektronkind> oh, this is stuff that I'm picking out with libdevinfo calls
[04:27:56] <elektronkind> hmm, ok
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[04:56:07] <silly_girl22> okay, there shouldnt be a space but do you have any ideas why i am still not getting the mail to gmail or yahoo?
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[05:30:12] <dclarke> hello
[05:30:49] <jamesd> dclarke, http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/09/hyper_thousand.php
[05:30:53] <steleman> evening dclarke
[05:31:10] <dclarke> g'day yall !
[05:31:25] <dclarke> I'm here locked in mortal combat with vermillion
[05:31:32] <dclarke> I'm losing thus far
[05:31:57] <dclarke> steleman: you're a Sun dude now ?
[05:32:00] <steleman> dclarke: wrong approach. vermillion needs a gentle and loving touch. mortal combat will only make it bitchy :-)
[05:32:13] <steleman> yeah im a Sun dude now
[05:32:18] <dclarke> well .. yeah .. its a bitch
[05:32:33] <dclarke> certainly when the install instructions leave out details
[05:32:38] <dclarke> well done there
[05:32:45] <steleman> t/y t/y :-)
[05:32:51] <dclarke> I look forwards to KDE in 64-bit mode and
[05:33:00] <dclarke> totally integrade and all that jazz
[05:33:05] <dclarke> I _love_ KDE
[05:33:10] <steleman> oh yeah there's that bitchy  little episode coming into my life
[05:33:11] <dclarke> but its a bugger to build
[05:33:28] <steleman> kde in 64-bit mode is a bitch-o-saurus
[05:33:36] <dclarke> totally
[05:33:39] <dclarke> I tried also
[05:33:49] <dclarke> but I kept my mouth shut because it was a real bugger
[05:33:58] <dclarke> at 3AM we simply bury the bodies and tell no one
[05:33:59] <steleman> i got almost everything working except sound
[05:34:25] <steleman> well i shouldn't complain now because i'll have purify and quantify and that will help a lot
[05:34:29] <dclarke> wow ... thats a huge success there
[05:34:38] <steleman> without purify though it's a nightmare
[05:34:50] <dclarke> but tell me .. does it have to go into /usr/sfw or ?
[05:34:59] <dclarke>  /usr/local ?
[05:35:04] <dclarke> or /opt/KDE
[05:35:14] <dclarke> I think that /opt/KDE would be hellish cool
[05:35:17] <steleman> my guess is that /usr/local won't work because it's frowned upon as a general rule
[05:35:18] <dclarke> nice and isolated
[05:35:24] <dclarke> I agree
[05:35:40] <dclarke> the /usr/local is just so Linux like and not really a "good thing"
[05:35:43] <steleman> i'd like to keep it in /opt/kde-<version>.<major>.<minor>
[05:35:49] <dclarke> bingo
[05:35:53] <dclarke> thats my desire
[05:35:56] <steleman> yeah and not even Linux puts it there any longer
[05:35:59] <dclarke> one may have multiple version
[05:36:02] <steleman> SuSE puts it in /opt/kde3
[05:36:17] <dclarke> perhaps /opt/KDE/ver_major.minor
[05:36:24] <steleman> that's exactly my point: if we keep it in its own tree one can have several releases working at the same time without overwriting
[05:36:26] <dclarke> yes .. I was thinking of the SUSE example
[05:36:33] <dclarke> we think alike
[05:36:44] <steleman> yeah
[05:36:49] <dclarke> its the right way to go but there may be politics to deal with now
[05:36:55] <steleman> but i have some convincing work to do
[05:36:59] <steleman> :-)
[05:37:04] <dclarke> you swim in with big fish now
[05:37:17] <steleman> they are much MUCH nicer than Morgan Stanley trust me :-
[05:37:18] <steleman> :-)
[05:37:40] <dclarke> who is Morgan Stanley ?
[05:37:45] <steleman> nothing comes closer to a Morgan Stanley trader
[05:37:50] <dclarke> a finance outfit you were with ?
[05:37:53] <steleman> my employe before Sun
[05:37:53] <dclarke> oh .. traders
[05:37:54] <steleman> yeah
[05:37:58] <dclarke> they all suck air
[05:38:03] <dclarke> my opinion
[05:38:06] <steleman> i had phones thrown at me
[05:38:11] <steleman> lunch sandwiches
[05:38:12] <dclarke> I had a contract in the Toronto Stock Exchange
[05:38:15] <steleman> coke cans
[05:38:15] <dclarke> once upon a time
[05:38:23] <dclarke> yeah .. they are capital pricks
[05:38:34] <dclarke> with expense accounts and treat the techie like crap
[05:38:44] <dclarke> been there .. done that
[05:38:47] <dclarke> got paid
[05:38:50] <dclarke> never went back
[05:38:54] <steleman> i won't get into the fact that they don't even really know what is going on in the markets because the software does 90% of the work these days
[05:38:55] <dclarke> :-P
[05:39:07] <dclarke> ha ha .. yeah I know
[05:39:13] <steleman> they just collect their fat ass bonuses
[05:39:20] <dclarke> I put in a cluster of V880's at a place call .. SwiftTrade
[05:39:26] <dclarke> the software was calling all the shots
[05:39:35] <steleman> part of SWIFT the banking network ?
[05:39:46] <dclarke> the balance transfers at the end of the day told us the profit and loss
[05:39:53] <dclarke> er .. possibly
[05:39:56] <steleman> yah
[05:39:57] <dclarke> I was buried in the server room
[05:40:00] <steleman> The Daily PNL
[05:40:16] <dclarke> and my job was to remove all the E4500's and get in V880's with no downtime
[05:40:22] <steleman> christ
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[05:40:35] <dclarke> it was a major job for me in 2001
[05:40:41] <dclarke> or 2002
[05:40:45] <steleman> it sounds like one
[05:40:46] <dclarke> whenever the V880 first shipped
[05:40:57] <steleman> i worked for the trading desks themselves
[05:41:00] <dclarke> Sun racks .. full of V880's ( 2 of them )
[05:41:05] <dclarke> six racks
[05:41:08] <steleman> (which means i was the resident bitch)
[05:41:10] <dclarke> two rows of Six
[05:41:22] <steleman> stayed up until 4am countless nights
[05:41:23] <dclarke> poor bastard
[05:41:28] <dclarke> ooooh crap !!
[05:41:31] <dclarke> dude ..
[05:41:32] <dclarke> been there
[05:41:38] <steleman> fixing interpolation problems
[05:41:41] <dclarke> all night freaking long and they have no freaking clue
[05:41:44] <steleman> monte carlo crapping out at 2 am
[05:41:47] <dclarke> in the morning you're dying
[05:41:50] <dclarke> and they bitch at ya
[05:42:03] <dclarke> dude .. yes .. I can so relate
[05:42:08] <steleman> yeah and then i have to argue the next day with the head trader why i filled in a car voucher to go home
[05:42:10] <dclarke> I have a story .. actually
[05:42:13] <dclarke> don't we all
[05:42:37] <dclarke> simply put .. there was this guy .. he was pulling ethernet cables
[05:42:54] <dclarke> for whatever reason he flipped a serious mistake .. on purpose I think
[05:43:03] <steleman> pulled the wrong cable ?
[05:43:12] <dclarke> knocked down a major comms channel and in the middle of a non-rededundant phase
[05:43:20] <steleman> whoops
[05:43:31] <dclarke> which means we went from dual channels of comms to one channel to none
[05:43:50] <dclarke> knocked the Toronto Stock Exchange offline for 13 minutes
[05:43:54] <steleman> wow
[05:43:59] <dclarke> it made the front page the next day
[05:44:06] <steleman> HAHA ?
[05:44:09] <dclarke> just recently he was getting married
[05:44:23] <steleman> did they sack him ?
[05:44:36] <dclarke> and at one point in the evening at the reception he was telling the story of how he once upon a time made the headlines
[05:44:44] <dclarke> sack him ?
[05:44:47] <steleman> fire him
[05:44:49] <dclarke> no .. no one knew it was him
[05:44:52] <galt> they promoted him
[05:44:53] <steleman> ohhhh ok
[05:45:02] <dclarke> those that did .. we would never say a word
[05:45:09] <dclarke> and I was a contractor anyways
[05:45:14] <dclarke> so I kept my mouth shut
[05:45:15] <steleman> being in the machine room has its advantages
[05:45:22] <steleman> the traders never go there
[05:45:32] <dclarke> I knew that he would move on to other places .. call me up .. do contract work
[05:45:34] <galt> yeah, it's much easier to blackmail if it's a secret ;P
[05:45:37] <dclarke> thats the wa yit workd
[05:46:00] <steleman> i shouldnt bitch too much because i learned a lot working on wall street
[05:46:06] <steleman> but i think i'm done with wall street
[05:46:09] <dclarke> in any case .. I happy as a lark to see you working professionaly with the Sun guys
[05:46:18] <dclarke> I want KDE in as a serious desktop option
[05:46:21] <steleman> why thank you very much :-) hug
[05:46:27] <steleman> i do too
[05:46:34] <dclarke> speaking of which .. I gotta get my vermillion b50 gear here going
[05:46:50] <dclarke> I bitch slapped it .. wrongly I think
[05:46:53] <steleman> one step at a time you know: first have it on the companion cd, people will like it then hopefully it will make its way in a consolidation
[05:46:54] <dclarke> :-\
[05:46:56] <dclarke> oops
[05:47:32] <dclarke> well .. I'm no real fan of the companion CD but thats only because I see it as competition for Blastwave
[05:47:43] <dclarke> but the Companion CD is a project in themaking still
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[05:47:57] <dclarke> KDE would be a great asset
[05:48:07] <steleman> yah but that's where i think KDE will go first
[05:48:20] <steleman> i know it would be a great asset
[05:48:28] <dclarke> yep .. hopefully into /opt/KDE/foo
[05:48:40] <steleman> i think Sun wants to make sure having KDE as a desktop option is worth the effort
[05:48:54] <steleman> cuz trust me it is an effort :-)
[05:49:10] <dclarke> oh .. I agree
[05:49:19] <dclarke> I'm glad someone is working on it .. and getting paid
[05:49:30] <dclarke> that means .. hopefully .. it will be around long term
[05:49:35] <steleman> i hope so too
[05:49:54] <steleman> besides i think KDE is such a nice way of showing off Solaris and the sun compilers
[05:50:06] <dclarke> Installation of <SUNWgnome-display-mgr-root> was suspended
[05:50:11] <dclarke> sorry .. fighting here
[05:50:20] <dclarke> with vergaglion
[05:50:33] <steleman> what exactly is its winter of discontent now
[05:50:39] <dclarke> oh .. I think that the Studio 11 compiler is cutting edge
[05:51:03] <steleman> im also (semi-secretly) working on boost with Studio 11
[05:51:05] <dclarke> just that one needs to stop gdm before trying the install otherwise it gets in a hissy
[05:51:28] <dclarke> ah .. yes ..  Iwas talking with some cool stack people about boost
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[05:51:39] <dclarke> can't recall the exact conversation really
[05:51:53] <steleman> cool stack is the gcc frontend with the studio backend right ?
[05:52:13] <dclarke> no .. its a name someone dreamt up
[05:52:18] <dclarke> to describe the
[05:52:29] <dclarke> optimized Apache + MySQL + etc etc software
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[05:52:39] <dclarke> built for the UltraSparc T1 proc
[05:52:40] <steleman> ohh is that what it is ?
[05:52:45] <bank_> ...
[05:52:52] <dclarke> its not exactly common knowledege yet
[05:52:53] <steleman> i remember seeing something about the cool stack compiler toolset
[05:52:57] <dclarke> and it may never be
[05:53:12] <steleman> oh
[05:53:27] <dclarke> you probably know more about the macros in the compiler options than anyone
[05:53:35] <steleman> yeah probably
[05:53:43] <dclarke> so you know about the expansions of the -fast options and -xtarget and cache et etc
[05:53:49] <steleman> yeah
[05:53:59] <steleman> it's never the fastest code generator
[05:54:06] <dclarke> well the UltraSparc T1 can demand some interesting switchs or one ends up with Apache that will not scale
[05:54:10] <dclarke> past a few threads
[05:54:26] <dclarke> yeah .. I gave up on -fast a long time ago
[05:54:41] <dclarke> its better to study the architecture and select the right switchs oneself
[05:54:59] <dclarke> but .. this is something that I have seen you do with your command lines I saw posted in various places
[05:55:10] <dclarke> great huge long sequences of options ..
[05:55:13] <dclarke> :-)
[05:55:26] <steleman> yah it took me a few weeks to come up with those way back some years ago
[05:55:36] <steleman> believe it or not i spent a lot of time reading assembler
[05:55:51] <steleman> deciding which options were best
[05:56:03] <dclarke> I believe it absolutely
[05:56:22] <dclarke> in my opion .. assembler is the only true computer language
[05:56:27] <dclarke> well .. machine code is
[05:56:30] <steleman> (which sounds kind of insane since i'm mostly a C++ dude and i spend half of my time programming reading assembler)
[05:56:33] <dclarke> opcodes are next up
[05:57:01] <dclarke> one summer ( a million years ago ) I was working on some code for the army
[05:57:10] <dclarke> they needed to crunch numbers
[05:57:13] <dclarke> its a long story
[05:57:18] * steleman suspects dclarke's real name is James Bond :-)
[05:57:22] <dclarke> anyways .. I manually unrolled a ton of loops
[05:57:45] <dclarke> ended up with great heaps of highly repetitive machine code
[05:57:54] <dclarke> however .. it was blazing fast
[05:58:27] <steleman> yeah
[05:58:54] <dclarke> back before compilers and macro assemblers ( thats what they called them back then ) were all that optimal anyways
[06:00:37] <dclarke> geez .. look at this package name : SUNWgnome-display-mgr-root
[06:01:27] <steleman> i have to pack tonight to fly to California for next week and i feel blissfully lazy and i haven't packed a thing yet :-)
[06:01:30] <silk> well, > 9chars does allow for more possibilities
[06:01:48] <steleman> which means i will start packing at 2am in hysteria
[06:02:16] <steleman> i think that package name is a good candidate for an abbreviation :-)
[06:02:29] <steleman> uhmm how about SUNWgnomedmr ?
[06:02:38] <delewis> yes, I've had terrible results with -fast
[06:02:52] <delewis> just optimizing tends to yield better results
[06:03:09] <delewis> and in some instances, gcc code produced with optimization is faster than -fast.
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[06:03:33] <delewis> I've gathered :-)
[06:03:38] <steleman> gave up on it
[06:03:49] <steleman> it was actually one of my interview questions at Morgan
[06:03:59] <delewis> interesting
[06:04:06] <steleman> whoever said they optimized their code with -fast got nixed :-)
[06:04:07] <dclarke> what was ?
[06:04:10] <dclarke> oh
[06:04:16] <dclarke> good one
[06:04:21] <steleman> "what optimizations do you use on SunProCC" ?
[06:05:00] <stevel> 'evening stefan
[06:05:04] <steleman> that and "please write strcpy(3C)"
[06:05:07] <steleman> hiya stevel :-)
[06:05:24] <stevel> coming out to visit us next week?
[06:05:31] <steleman> yeah im flying out tomorrow
[06:05:44] <steleman> i was just mentioning my blissful state of not packed yet :-)
[06:05:44] <stevel> nice, i'm looking forward to finally meeting you in person :)
[06:05:49] <steleman> me too :-)
[06:06:03] <steleman> when i was there back in May i didnt get to meet everyone
[06:06:12] <stevel> yeah, i think i was gone the day you were in
[06:06:14] <steleman> ill be there all week then im coming back on the 22nd
[06:06:22] <stevel> which is why i had to do the phone interview thing
[06:06:27] <steleman> yeah i remember
[06:06:42] * stevel hates phone screens/interviews
[06:06:49] <steleman> i dont like them either
[06:07:01] <steleman> but hey they save on 6 hours flight time :-)
[06:07:06] <stevel> true
[06:07:53] <steleman> i rented a car
[06:08:01] <steleman> (i'm staying with my brother who lives in Berkeley)
[06:08:12] <stevel> ... what ... you didn't want to use our amazingly efficient south bay public transit
[06:08:17] <stevel> hey, you're up in my neck of the woods
[06:08:19] <stevel> i live in oakland
[06:08:24] <steleman> ohhhh you do ?
[06:08:35] <stevel> yup. whereabouts in berkeley will you be staying?
[06:09:01] <steleman> i dont really know where he lives now in Berkeley yet because he just moved into a new apt a month ago
[06:09:14] <steleman> the only thing he told me is that it's 20 minutes downhill and 45 minutes uphill
[06:09:19] <steleman> ergo i rented a car :-)
[06:09:21] <stevel> lol
[06:09:33] <steleman> (i smoke)
[06:09:39] <steleman> (not into climbing hills)
[06:09:40] <stevel> that describes a fairly large portion of the berkeley/oakland hills
[06:09:56] <steleman> yeah i noticed
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[06:11:05] <steleman> i would take the BART/CalTrain but getting from the MPK train station to Sun seems a bit convoluted
[06:11:18] <stevel> there's a shuttle from the MPK campus to the Union City BART station
[06:11:31] <steleman> (last time i was there the cab driver drove around in circles for about 20 minutes to hike up the fare)
[06:11:58] <steleman> i kept wondering why are we seeing this pretty little street so many times
[06:12:03] <stevel> hah
[06:12:10] * stevel didn't know they did that down in the south bay
[06:12:14] <dclarke> the trick is that they have to get money from you
[06:12:27] <dclarke> me .. I always get out of the car first
[06:12:32] <dclarke> the nwalk to the drivers window
[06:12:43] <steleman> well i would tip them nicely if they got me from point A to point B quickly
[06:12:56] <dclarke> I have been known to say " tell ya what .. I'll drop off $5 for going in cirlces"
[06:13:15] <dclarke> I had a driver try crap like that with me in Toronto
[06:13:26] <jamesd> you get a quote from the dispatcher, and tell the driver you have a quote, that usually gets them to go the direct route.
[06:13:27] <dclarke> he got all pissy and said he was calling the police
[06:13:37] <dclarke> so I smiled and said .. "okay, I'll wait"
[06:13:42] <steleman> jamesd: they have meters in MPK just like in NYC
[06:13:50] <dclarke> in my gut I knew that there was no way he wanted a cop around
[06:14:04] <jamesd> i used to live in san jose.
[06:14:29] <steleman> (in NYC you can usually "negotiate" a fare if you have a baseball bat with you)
[06:17:40] <dclarke> dammit .. my console is fried
[06:17:49] <dclarke> no graphical login either
[06:17:54] <steleman> oh brother
[06:18:16] <dclarke> let me go on record .. I hate GNOME Terminal
[06:18:27] <dclarke> give me bloody xterm anyday
[06:19:37] <dclarke> shutdown -g0 -y -i5
[06:19:40] <dclarke> that should work
[06:20:29] <steleman> just kill X
[06:21:34] <dclarke> the whole machine is off
[06:21:37] <dclarke> that killed it
[06:21:40] <steleman> lol
[06:22:00] <steleman> The Gloves Are Off!!! :-)
[06:22:11] <dclarke> this is a non-debug build of snv_20060925 and vermillion b50
[06:22:18] <dclarke> so .. pretty up to date
[06:22:44] <dclarke> I do expect a wee bit of edgyness
[06:23:19] <steleman> if i couldnt get a graphical login i think edgyness would be an understated description of my state of mind
[06:24:11] <dclarke> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Nirvx941.html
[06:25:21] <steleman> ok so now the question is: who screwed who over ? gdm -> hal or vice versa ?
[06:26:06] <dclarke> bingo
[06:26:14] <dclarke> thats what I am digging into right now
[06:26:25] * steleman suspects some buginess in hal
[06:26:27] <dclarke> I see the dependency and I just need to work out what wants what first
[06:26:30] <dclarke> if you follow me
[06:27:24] <dclarke> [ Oct  1 00:23:55 Executing start method ("/lib/svc/method/svc-hal start") ]
[06:27:26] <dclarke> hal failed to start: error 1
[06:27:27] <dclarke> [ Oct  1 00:24:01 Method "start" exited with status 95 ]
[06:27:31] <dclarke> ooh .. thatshelpful
[06:28:49] <steleman> just login into CDE and try starting hal
[06:28:59] <steleman> you might get some more useful errors this way
[06:29:00] <dclarke> I logged in remotely
[06:29:04] <steleman> (and it won't hose CDE)
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[06:41:24] <dclarke> this is trash
[06:41:27] <dclarke> trash I tell you
[06:41:30] <dclarke> trash
[06:41:36] <dclarke> my machine is hosed
[06:41:40] <dclarke> arghhh ..
[06:41:53] <dclarke> I may as well just never attempt a graphical login
[06:42:01] <dclarke> dammit
[06:42:02] <steleman> just wipe it out
[06:42:20] <dclarke> I have a DVD here .. ready to rock .. its snv_48
[06:42:29] <dclarke> a fresh install is never a bad thing
[06:42:58] <dclarke> vermillion b50 should come with a surgeons general warning
[06:43:10] <dclarke> :-(
[06:43:12] <steleman> and a Xanax prescription perhaps ? :-)
[06:43:25] <dclarke> I was thinking percocets
[06:43:31] <dclarke> and scotch
[06:43:57] <dclarke> well ... one thing works
[06:44:00] <steleman> ohh so you're going for the "this non-existant piano is talking to me" trip ?
[06:44:01] <dclarke> my mouse works
[06:44:40] <dclarke> I was thinking that the non-existent piano had Billy Joel sitting there playing
[06:44:54] <dclarke> piano man
[06:45:00] <steleman> what color is your piano ? mine is robin blue
[06:45:03] <dclarke> hrmmm .. maybe I'll fish out some tunes
[06:45:12] <stevel> which is more likely? the piano talking? or billy joel playing on it?
[06:45:13] <dclarke> corn flower blue
[06:45:20] <stevel> i'm gonna have to go with the robin blue talking piano as the "better trip"
[06:45:27] <dclarke> ever seen Fight Club ?
[06:45:28] <steleman> stevel: good call :-)
[06:45:56] <dclarke> corn flower blue .. thats the color I want
[06:46:09] <steleman> dclarke: dude that's depressing :-)
[06:46:19] <steleman> let the coolness flow through you :-)
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[06:47:10] <dclarke> # shutdown -g0 -y -i5
[06:47:25] <dclarke> I am not even gonna bother which this box any more tonight
[06:47:32] <bank_> scotch
[06:47:33] <dclarke> vermillion .. nope .. no way
[06:47:43] * steleman contemplates packing
[06:47:50] <dclarke> go pack man
[06:47:55] <steleman> nah
[06:47:56] <dclarke> what time is it there ?
[06:48:01] <steleman> 12:47AM
[06:48:03] <bank_> 12 AM
[06:48:12] <bank_> where are you steleman
[06:48:13] <dclarke> pack
[06:48:18] <steleman> NYC
[06:48:33] <bank_> (midnight)?
[06:48:38] <steleman> packing for a week without being pressed for time is just no fun
[06:48:53] <dclarke> packing for a week ?
[06:48:56] <dclarke> only a week ..
[06:49:00] <dclarke> geez .. pack nothing
[06:49:17] <dclarke> if you smoke .. a carton of cigs
[06:49:23] <stevel> just fill your carryon with lots of sony batteries and bottles of various coloured liquids
[06:49:26] <stevel> you'll be fine
[06:49:31] <dclarke> ha ha !
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[06:49:46] <stevel> ... california may be healthy - but we do still sell cigarettes ;)
[06:49:51] <steleman> stevel: and maybe wear a hiker's vest with an alarm clock and some wires sticking out ? :-)
[06:50:11] <steleman> holding a Kuran ?
[06:50:14] <stevel> steleman: totally.  and maybe a pair of nail clippers.  never know when those might come in handy
[06:50:16] <dclarke> oh .. and a floor length trench coat
[06:50:25] <dclarke> sneakers .. old and crappy
[06:50:27] <dclarke> no socks
[06:50:37] <bitwiseshiftleft> hey guys, bootadm question for you
[06:50:50] <dclarke> track pants but roll up the track pants so that your bare legs a showing out the bottom of the trench coat
[06:51:01] <dclarke> no T-shirt
[06:51:03] <bitwiseshiftleft> when liveupgrading, i ran into the issue at http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102087-1
[06:51:08] <bitwiseshiftleft> the G) one
[06:51:13] <bitwiseshiftleft> and it corrupted the boot_archive
[06:51:13] <dclarke> thats a winning dress code righ ther e
[06:51:21] <steleman> that would probably guarantee me a trip to Rijker's Island
[06:51:32] <steleman> straight from JFK
[06:51:37] <dclarke> but you got track pants man
[06:51:54] <bitwiseshiftleft> so the system doesn't boot, but i'm on a live cd now.  how do i repair the boot archive?
[06:51:57] <steleman> i won't need the pants in Rijker's ;-P
[06:51:58] <dclarke> and a hat with two beer cans on either side and hoses
[06:52:00] <Error_404> stevel: san fran airport made us smoke outside
[06:52:21] <stevel> error_404: well yeah. you can't smoke indoors.
[06:52:22] <Error_404> i cleared security 5 times at san francisco alone simply because there's no smoking section
[06:52:31] <stevel> bitwiseshiftleft: can you boot off the failsafe?
[06:52:37] <Error_404> YVR (vancouver) even has a smoking section
[06:52:44] <steleman> Error_404: there isn't one at JFK either. we just don't care about the signs :-)
[06:52:55] <Error_404> i've since quit, but still
[06:53:11] <bitwiseshiftleft> stevel: no
[06:53:17] <dclarke> wow .. Vancouver .. great city
[06:53:27] <dclarke> if you don't mind enough rain to drive you crazy
[06:53:29] <Error_404> i like it
[06:53:34] <bitwiseshiftleft> stevel: it gives a bunch of undefined symbol errors and drops me into root shell
[06:53:35] * stevel likes vancouver
[06:53:51] <bitwiseshiftleft> and attempt to remount /, reboot or do anything else interesting panics
[06:53:58] <Error_404> i'm originally from just outside van. ... i just live 1000km north for school purposes
[06:53:58] <stevel> i prefer toronto though (if we're talking about favourite canadian cities)
[06:54:00] <bank_> picnic
[06:54:11] <Error_404> when i'm done, i'm moving back, and this time i'm moving downtown
[06:56:56] <bitwiseshiftleft> but yeah, i mean, i rebooted with a livecd, and i have the hd mounted on /a as is conventional, but i have no idea how to rerun bootadm on it
[06:57:11] <stevel> you could try chroot'ing to /a and then run bootadm
[06:59:15] <bitwiseshiftleft> it completes awfully fast
[06:59:26] <bitwiseshiftleft> i don't think it did anything, but here goes
[06:59:35] <bitwiseshiftleft> yeah, nothing
[06:59:39] <stevel> or you could do bootadm update-archive -R /a
[07:00:29] <bitwiseshiftleft> yeah, i tried that to
[07:00:41] <bitwiseshiftleft> but actually, i am beginning to think that the archive isn't the only problem here
[07:03:45] <bitwiseshiftleft> eh, screw it, i'm going to reinstall
[07:04:02] <dclarke> I was going to say that
[07:04:11] <dclarke> but wanted you to arrive at ti yourself
[07:04:25] <bitwiseshiftleft> haha
[07:04:32] <stevel> i was going to say that too
[07:04:35] <bitwiseshiftleft> the thing is, this is a relatively new install, and so i don't care that much
[07:04:36] <stevel> and egg you on if you didn't agree ;-)
[07:04:42] <stevel> oh. well that's no fun
[07:04:52] <dclarke> poke the poor guy with a stick
[07:04:55] <bitwiseshiftleft> and important stuff is in a zpool which shouldn't be touched
[07:04:58] <bitwiseshiftleft> by the reinstall
[07:05:07] <dclarke> saying "nah .. you can reboot it if you stand on your head!"
[07:05:10] <bitwiseshiftleft> but who knows what will happen next time......
[07:05:13] <bitwiseshiftleft> heh
[07:06:33] <bitwiseshiftleft> i mean, part of the thing is
[07:06:41] <bitwiseshiftleft> i want to liveupgrade it
[07:06:53] <bitwiseshiftleft> and maybe that svcadm enable -r sysevent:default thing will work
[07:06:59] <bitwiseshiftleft> and maybe it won't
[07:07:08] <bitwiseshiftleft> and if it doesn't, i'm up the same creek
[07:17:11] <bitwiseshiftleft> anyway, thanks for the help
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[07:35:24] <bank_> nick
[07:40:19] * steleman is having trouble locating the charger for the SONY DSC-R1
[07:42:20] <bank_> where can I create client-info for .
[07:42:41] <bank_> http://rajasuperman.blogspot.com/2006/09/gmail-as-smarthost-for-fre_115764792412436946.html
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[08:27:57] <dclarke> g'day
[08:28:05] <Tpenta> hi dennis
[08:28:23] <dclarke> what new down under ?
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[08:28:39] <Tpenta> busy afternoon
[08:29:15] <dclarke> these days .. I look out over water and see wind blowing cold and I think .. must be hotter than the hinges of hell down there
[08:29:36] <Tpenta> they predicted about 23 today, not too bad
[08:29:58] <dclarke> 23C .. no biggie
[08:30:03] <dclarke> down to 4C here
[08:30:08] <dclarke> maybe lower tonight
[08:30:24] <dclarke> wind is blowing like a hurricane out there .. nearly
[08:30:45] <dclarke> I was watching waves crashing over the pier today .. nearly four stories high
[08:30:58] <Tpenta> wow
[08:31:10] <dclarke> pretty scary looking stuff really
[08:31:30] <dclarke> I don't know what the largest lake in the world is ..
[08:31:35] <dclarke> this may be it
[08:31:44] <dclarke> and today .. she was real ugly
[08:32:16] <axisys> looking for an article/comment on installing bind 9.x on solaris zones? any performance issue? any gotcha?
[08:32:35] <Tpenta> no idea
[08:33:58] <dclarke> no reason why it won't work flawlessly
[08:34:03] <dclarke> that I can think of
[08:34:21] <dclarke> I have a zone or two running with Apache and PostgreSQL and piles of stuff
[08:34:24] <dclarke> no issue
[08:34:28] <Tpenta> suck it and see, how goes vermillion 50?
[08:34:38] <dclarke> horrible
[08:34:41] <axisys> dclarke: sounds good
[08:34:44] <dclarke> I pulled the power on it
[08:34:54] <dclarke> I literally gave up
[08:34:56] <axisys> i need to do a comparison with freebsd..
[08:35:02] <dclarke> it hosed up my system totally
[08:35:22] <Tpenta> ick
[08:35:23] <axisys> i also need to see if ipf works flawlessly as well
[08:35:29] <Tpenta> this is what live upgradee nvironments are for :)
[08:35:34] <dclarke> everything on this server was running sweet after the non-debug build
[08:35:54] <dclarke> then I walked through the install of vermillion
[08:36:06] <dclarke> well .. my mouse still worked .. nothing else did
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[08:38:56] <dclarke> its a little past midnight here .. I think I'd like to roll my logs
[08:39:15] <dclarke> I thought there was a way to roll Apache logs in a non-stop way
[08:39:21] <dclarke> never looked it up though
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[08:40:51] <bank_> 23 C is hot?
[08:41:02] <Tpenta> no
[08:41:16] <njd> 23C is quite nice
[08:41:31] <bank_> how about 32C
[08:41:32] <njd> Jeans and T-shirt weather
[08:41:49] <njd> 32C is roughly 90F
[08:43:11] <bank_> at 32C what will you wear
[08:43:33] <dclarke> when it gets to be 38C here I would rather not be outside .. at all
[08:43:34] <njd> Weekend: Shorts and T-shirt
[08:43:53] <bank_> really.
[08:44:10] <njd> Why do you ask? Are you heading to Australia, in Sydney today it is roughly 23C
[08:44:26] <bank_> so around equator is not suitable for you.
[08:44:31] <njd> I would second that, 38C is pretty darn hot
[08:44:58] <bank_> outside here. may be 38C
[08:45:00] <bank_> lol
[08:45:11] <bank_> so you have to naked
[08:45:18] <bank_> if you wear shorts at 32C
[08:45:57] <bank_> :P
[08:46:22] <dclarke> I'm in Canada .. I can handle freezing cold okay
[08:46:28] <dclarke> heat drives me nuts
[08:47:02] <dclarke> okay .. got to step away for a bit here ..
[08:47:33] <bank_> :o
[08:49:19] <bank_> good morning axisys
[08:57:25] <dclarke> I didn't get very far ..
[08:57:42] <dclarke> now I need to figure out how to pass a console option to GRUB for boot to ttya
[08:57:47] <dclarke> boot via ttya
[08:57:57] <dclarke> whatever .. -B console=ttya   I think
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[09:27:10] <Error_404> bleh
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[09:32:50] <jteo> i survived my upgrade to SXCR b48. :)
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[09:41:11] <Error_404> awesome, i can't login to my machine
[09:42:24] <jteo> neat. there's a hg repo on genunix.org
[09:47:02] <doj> Is the only difference between SunBlade 1000/2000 that the 2000 can hold 1200Mhz CPUS?
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[09:56:35] <bank_> hi
[09:56:57] <bank_> axisys : yesterday problem is because I didin't specify DS localhost in mail.cf
[09:58:01] <bank_> :D:D:D
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[10:06:30] <bank_> can i userdel when there are someone use it?
[10:07:03] <bank_> force del
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[10:25:50] <quasi> bank_: are you trying to delete an account that someone is logged in to?
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[10:27:16] <Fish> hello
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[10:33:37] <bank_> yes
[10:33:44] <bank_> guasi: yes
[10:34:16] <bank_> quasi: what is different between red sentence and black sentence? is that a command in irc?
[10:35:47] <quasi> bank_: kick the user out first
[10:35:56] <quasi> it is cleaner that way
[10:36:07] <bank_> kick?
[10:37:27] <bank_> (bank is searching)
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[10:50:54] <quasi> pkill -U bank
[10:54:44] <bank_> quasi . I have x11vnc service running. should I close it?
[10:55:23] <bank_> another things I ever read that spammer will use server to send spam ( may i prevent that)?
[10:56:04] <bank_> and ... I am gonna grant * for mysql , postgre ...
[10:56:13] <bank_> will these things .. make the bad security?
[10:56:59] <sickness> morning all :)
[10:58:42] <quasi> bank_: forget I said anything
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[11:01:25] <bank_> quasi?
[11:01:28] <bank_> sorry.
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[11:05:51] <bank_> evening sickness
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[12:25:16] <bank_> I have got partially failed when install mysql on sol10x86
[12:25:28] <bank_> most of them looklike ERROR: attribute verification of </usr/sbin/mysqld> failed
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[13:15:58] <ProfMikey> hi, I have the following problem...chmod: WARNING: can't change dirname/
[13:16:45] <ProfMikey> yes,  I am root and dir what Ia mtrying to change perms are drwx--x--x
[13:17:37] <ShadowHntr> go up a level
[13:17:38] <ShadowHntr> cd ..
[13:17:45] <ShadowHntr> then chmod -R setting
[13:17:46] <ShadowHntr> :)
[13:17:49] <jmcp> no!
[13:18:00] <ProfMikey> nope
[13:18:02] <ShadowHntr> *shrug*
[13:18:06] <ShadowHntr> was just a thought
[13:18:15] <jmcp> ShadowHntr: it is a *dangerous* thing to suggest
[13:18:21] <boyd> Is it a local filesystem?
[13:18:34] <boyd> (Hi jmcp )
[13:18:45] <ProfMikey> no its network mount
[13:18:46] <ShadowHntr> jmcp: depends on the directory.
[13:18:49] <ShadowHntr> my bad. :P
[13:18:52] <jmcp> hi boyd
[13:19:05] <boyd> ProfMikey: is it shared from solaris?
[13:19:07] <jmcp> ShadowHntr: as root, it's almost always dangerous. you should know that
[13:19:19] <ProfMikey> boyd: yes, it is
[13:19:23] <ShadowHntr> what - to recursively change permissions?
[13:19:32] <boyd> ProfMikey: What are the share options?
[13:19:40] <ShadowHntr> you need to triple check what you're doing, of course...
[13:19:50] <bank_> why chmod is dangerous
[13:19:57] <ShadowHntr> jmcp: it's too late in the evening for my brain to think all the way through.
[13:20:06] <jmcp> ShadowHntr: then don't proffer suggestions
[13:20:11] <ShadowHntr> sorry bout that.
[13:20:24] <ProfMikey> what was the file that contains shares info?
[13:20:27] <jmcp> bank_: because it makes changes to permissions, and if you do things as root you should know what their effect will be
[13:20:30] <jmcp> ProfMikey: /etc/dfs/dfstab
[13:20:38] <ProfMikey> ah dfstab, ta
[13:20:45] <boyd> Damn... I typed that too, stinking irc commands :)
[13:21:02] <bank_> I ever heard someone tell me do not chmod use !w instead.
[13:21:50] <ProfMikey> nope, thats the other one
[13:22:14] <jmcp> bank_: and for somebody to blindly suggest running a recursive chmod as root when the full situation has not been explained is bloody dangerous
[13:22:15] <boyd> Huh?
[13:22:46] <boyd> ProfMikey: I'm after the share options on the server, so it'd be dfstab on the server
[13:22:57] <jmcp> bank_: you can run          chmod {u|g|o}{+|-}{rwxst} pathname
[13:23:21] <ProfMikey> boyd: ah, hold a sec
[13:23:26] <ShadowHntr> should have asked further questions :P
[13:23:34] <ShadowHntr> i see that now.
[13:23:41] <bank_> jmcp: Do you mean use chmod only for pathname?
[13:24:03] <jmcp> you can use it for anything which is represented in the system by a filename
[13:24:08] * jmcp weasels
[13:24:13] <bank_> for ex. I want to edit hosts file. and it have some permission , In the past I chmod it.
[13:24:15] <jmcp> bank_: don't forget, in unix, everything is a file :)
[13:24:27] <boyd> ... except network connections...
[13:24:29] <bank_> but someone said use !w instead of chmod.
[13:24:30] <jmcp> sshhhhh
[13:24:34] <boyd> :)
[13:24:35] <jmcp> bank_: that's incorrect
[13:25:10] <bank_> jmcp: so which time we will use chmod?
[13:25:21] <jmcp> if you want to change permissions
[13:25:50] <bank_> oh. I see.  just want to edi files. not want to change permission.
[13:25:54] <ShadowHntr> damn. i misread that question.
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[13:26:14] <jmcp> bank_: then use vi or emacs or some other editor
[13:26:31] <ProfMikey> thats interesting
[13:26:35] <boyd> ProfMikey: Ok
[13:26:50] <bank_> jmcp: may i ask you about svn?
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[13:27:04] <boyd> ProfMikey: you probably want root= at 10 dot 0.0.0/24 too
[13:27:05] <jmcp> I don't know anything about svn, sorry
[13:27:23] <boyd> ProfMikey: Otherwise root on the client is mapped to nobody on the server
[13:27:26] <bank_> ok.
[13:27:56] <bank_> today I install mysql by pkgadd -d. there are partial fail.
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[13:28:09] <bank_> but It seem to working. I finish restore the database.
[13:29:03] <bank_> jmcp: ( I just surprise when my actual code is 70 mb after I import to svn it 's only 40 MB)
[13:29:33] <boyd> Compression?
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[13:29:54] <bank_> I don't know .. I just feel surprise .
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[13:30:52] <bank_> :-) I am going to check out. To see the size.
[13:31:16] <boyd> jmcp: How's it going for you? modulo wrestling with M$
[13:31:52] <bank_> modulo wrestling
[13:33:24] <jmcp> boyd: mutter
[13:33:33] <boyd> That good, huh?
[13:34:06] <eugene> i keep on getting "HTTP Status 503 - This application is not currently available"
[13:34:46] <bank_> :o
[13:34:54] <eugene> wrong window
[13:35:22] <bank_> jsp?
[13:35:31] <bank_> :P
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[13:39:00] <jmcp> jsp = java server page
[13:39:20] <bank_> yes.
[13:39:25] <bank_> i just guess.
[13:39:43] <bank_> what are you doing jmcp?
[13:40:09] <jmcp> bank_: the contract? it's a "unix platform design engineer" role with a telco
[13:40:35] <bank_> :O ...
[13:40:49] <jmcp> which means that I get a high level design doc from a project manager and turn it into "you need $X servers connected in this way to those ports... with this software installed...."
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[13:41:41] <bank_> oh....
[13:42:14] <jmcp> no software engineering at all
[13:42:21] <jmcp> which is a great disappointment
[13:42:32] <bank_> oh.....
[13:42:44] <bank_> It's sound great and hard
[13:42:53] <bank_> than software en.
[13:43:37] <jmcp> and it's creative, too
[13:44:01] <bank_> hardware + network?
[13:44:27] <jmcp> I try to avoid networks :)
[13:44:52] <bank_> today I just got a new vocab JAIN SLEE http://java.sun.com/products/jain/article_slee_principles.html
[13:45:01] <bank_> may be it related to telco .
[13:45:54] <boyd> I think I preferred life before I looked at that page
[13:46:00] <bank_> lol
[13:46:13] <bank_> I am far away from that too.
[13:46:29] <bank_> I am only deal with simple java ee app.
[13:46:48] <jmcp> that's a scary page
[13:47:22] <asyd> \_o<
[13:48:17] <richlowe> jmcp: over spec, and see if you can keep the extras ;)
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[13:48:29] <jmcp> ha!
[13:49:13] <triplah> :>
[13:51:36] <richlowe> "Yeah, this'll need two v440's and a t2000 in my basement..."
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[13:51:46] <richlowe> offsite failover? :)
[13:51:51] <jmcp> I wish!
[13:52:08] <jmcp> I wish I had a basement for starters
[13:53:20] <Sparcolino> could somebody with access to b50 do me a favor ?
[13:53:20] <Sparcolino> (the b50 "gate closes" date is tomorrow,10/02/2006)
[13:53:20] <Sparcolino> please tell me something which I am really very anxious to know :
[13:53:20] <Sparcolino> is the packet filter hooks inside ?
[13:53:29] <Sparcolino> It can be immediately be done by looking under
[13:53:30] <Sparcolino> usr/src/uts/common/io/
[13:53:30] <Sparcolino> if a file neti.c there, thean the packet filter hooks is inside
[13:53:30] <Sparcolino> I would be thankful if somebody will take a moment to look there
[13:53:49] <jmcp> Sparcolino: why are you so desperate to find out?
[13:54:05] <Sparcolino> jmcp, I want to try it
[13:54:10] <Sparcolino> it is a great thing
[13:54:11] <richlowe> if it were there, it would probably show on the headsup page.
[13:54:12] <richlowe> and it doesn't.
[13:54:25] * jmcp flagdays richlowe
[13:54:39] <Sparcolino> richlowe, what is the headsup page? i know the download page
[13:54:44] <jmcp> Sparcolino: what caused you to expect that it would be in build 50?
[13:54:50] <richlowe> http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/on/flag-days/all/
[13:54:54] <jmcp> Sparcolino: look for the "flag days" page
[13:55:20] <Sparcolino> jmcp, thnks
[13:55:25] * richlowe just leaves it in the browser to avoid repeats of past snafus.
[13:57:02] <quasi> Sparcolino: take a look at http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=754 - Packet Filtering Hooks for IP Filter - and that's for 11/06 so should have been in osol for a while
[13:58:04] <Sparcolino> quasi, looking ...
[13:58:49] <jmcp> quasi: but it might have slipped, and iirc there was a lot of pushback from the Solaris PAC for new features in s10u3 so it might not be in nv yet either
[13:58:53] <asyd> Solaris Trusted Extensions in 11/06 !? wouah
[13:59:34] <Sparcolino> what is "Solaris 10 Update 3 Beta" ? it is not sxcr , I assume ; is it "opensolaris?
[13:59:41] <quasi> jmcp: that may be
[13:59:50] <Sparcolino> It doesn't seem to be so
[13:59:52] <richlowe> I totally don't see 2005/334 as integrated.
[14:00:11] <richlowe> though the arc page lists it as waiting need-spec, I assume that's a bug in the tools, rather than accurate(?)
[14:00:14] <quasi> Sparcolino: 10 Update 3 Beta is the beta of the next Sol 10 release
[14:00:36] <quasi> asyd: yeah, and "secure by default" as well
[14:00:40] <asyd> :)
[14:01:23] <Sparcolino> can I deduce from all this
[14:01:36] <Sparcolino> that b50 will include packet filter hooks ?
[14:01:41] <asyd> I'm happy, one year ago Sun people told me there ill only a very little chance than TE are available for free
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[14:01:50] <Sparcolino> (2005/334)
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[14:01:57] * quasi is looking forward to getting the beta image in the next couple of days
[14:02:10] <boyd> asyd: It's already in SX
[14:02:13] <_william_> hi all
[14:02:21] <asyd> ok
[14:02:32] <asyd> I have things to test this week :)
[14:02:44] <richlowe> My guess would be "No", but what do I know? :)
[14:02:53] <jmcp> Sparcolino: I doubt it, because that's the sort of thing which you would expect a flag day for
[14:03:06] <richlowe> not a flag-day, frankly.
[14:03:11] <richlowe> but the headsup page lists integrating ARC cases.
[14:03:18] <richlowe> assuming I'm right about that case, it should be listed.
[14:03:22] <richlowe> (if it had gone back)
[14:03:33] <asyd> oh btw, I noticed yesterday than genunix.org have subversion repositories of opensolaris
[14:03:34] <boyd> asyd: I tried the instructions that came with b48 but I ran out of time... system behaviour diverged from them though
[14:03:47] <asyd> (may that interest PerterB and few others people)
[14:03:58] <richlowe> asyd: they've had it since about 3 days after release :)
[14:04:10] <asyd> didn't knew that..
[14:04:19] <Sparcolino> it says there : "The Solaris 10 Update 3 beta is opening up this week. "
[14:04:29] <Sparcolino> so could it be that it will be
[14:04:36] <asyd> I was looking for a way to fetch only a part of opensolaris, and didn't find one via opensolaris.org
[14:04:37] <Sparcolino> in solaris 10 beta before
[14:04:39] <richlowe> they sync with the source drops, so you don't get anything above and beyond what the hg bundles get you, beyond convenience.
[14:04:42] <Sparcolino> in opensoalris ?
[14:05:06] <richlowe> oh, yeah, and a way to get a partial tree. :)
[14:05:11] <asyd> quasi: have you ever used cryptlib btw ?
[14:05:17] <richlowe> partial bringover is for the weak! ;)
[14:05:34] <asyd> :)
[14:06:01] <jmcp> richlowe: and for those who want to get their jobs done quickly ....
[14:06:33] <quasi> asyd: which one of them?
[14:06:43] <asyd> the one named cryptlib :)
[14:06:54] <asyd> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/cryptlib/
[14:07:28] <quasi> I thought there was another by the same name
[14:07:34] <asyd> ah ok
[14:08:00] <quasi> but only briefly for this one as it had all sorts of compile issues last I checked
[14:08:22] <quasi> and some years ago
[14:08:47] <richlowe> jmcp: zfs clone onnv-clone@<date> newws
[14:08:54] <richlowe> jmcp: quickly, you say? :)
[14:08:57] <jmcp> sshhhh
[14:09:03] <jmcp> you'll take all the fun out
[14:10:00] <quasi> asyd: openssl is much more of a challenge ;)
[14:10:23] <asyd> :)
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[14:56:38] <jteo> hmm. latest snapshot still building.
[14:57:07] <richlowe> after how long, and on what?
[14:57:39] <jteo> on a 2.2 A64, 1gb RAM.
[14:57:43] <jteo> been 3 hrs or so.
[14:58:55] <jteo> the nice thing about waiting so long to upgrade between SXCR builds is how spiffy JDS 2.14 feels. ;)
[15:05:13] <boyd> Geez, it *has* been a while :)
[15:05:48] <richlowe> wish I could figure out what was wrong with snv_48 though.
[15:05:57] <jteo> there's something *wrong* ?
[15:06:10] <richlowe> I'm having X and/or gdm and/or something else die in a way I can only reproduce by being exceptionally busy.
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[15:06:26] <richlowe> I don't know what causes it beyond "Doing something that makes X vanishing the worst possible thing that could happen"
[15:06:43] <jteo> *makes note*
[15:07:15] <richlowe> with luck, next time it happens I'll have a core, at least.
[15:07:35] <boyd> Oh, by the way... happy GIF freedom day, all.
[15:08:16] <jteo> boyd: same to ya!
[15:08:53] <boyd> I can't remember the last time I consciously *used* a GIF file, though.
[15:09:08] <quasi> happy mailman day as well
[15:09:32] <bank_> GIF Freedom day
[15:09:40] <bank_> :D
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[15:24:26] <bank_> good night
[15:24:29] <boyd> Night
[15:24:35] <boyd> Me too
[15:25:09] <bank_> tomorrow is monday again :(
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[16:12:15] <Fish> good bye
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[17:02:08] <bank> ...
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[17:07:10] <bank> hi kimc
[17:07:12] <bank> :D
[17:07:41] <bank> kimc you're right the problem was solved after insert DS localhost. :-)
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[17:15:18] <kimc_> very good
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[17:18:06] <bank_> kimc How 're you  ?
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[17:19:12] <kimc> good.. I'm trying to get iSCSI working but I'm becoming convinced its not possible..
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[17:21:56] <kimc> now I'm trying from another machine.. maybe an initiator running on the same machine as the target won't talk to itself
[17:22:02] <kimc> brb
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[17:32:53] <kimc> wow.. it works ! :)
[17:33:32] <bank_> :-)
[17:34:13] <kimc> i've been trying to get this working for days..
[17:34:51] <bank_> :D
[17:35:27] <bank_> technical problem. :-(
[17:36:26] <kimc> well.. yes i guess its kind of technical problem :)
[17:36:35] <bank_> I am at midnight already. time goes so fast!
[17:36:44] <bank_> tomorrow is monday again.
[17:37:47] <kimc> yes I know what you mean.. its midnight here in 11.5 hours, too soon
[17:38:13] <kimc> have a good night and cu monday
[17:40:37] <kimc> lets see of i can the friggen winxp iSCSI initiator to stay connected
[17:41:14] <kimc> nope
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[17:45:37] <jteo> wb dennis.
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[17:46:30] <dclarke> hello
[17:46:51] <dclarke> I have Knoppix 5.0.1 booted here
[17:46:58] <dclarke> works like a charm
[17:48:42] <jteo> it usually does.
[17:49:30] <dclarke> my real mission is to somehow get output from my ttya port across a serial cable to a Sun Ultra 2 ttya DB25 port
[17:49:34] <dclarke> good ol tip
[17:49:42] <dclarke> the cable is what is killing me
[17:49:51] <rodrickbrown> what to do, what to do, study math or java today
[17:50:13] <rodrickbrown> ^more
[17:51:56] <kleppari> well, you can study both at the same time
[17:52:05] <kleppari> implent some ridiculusly complex graphics algorithm :)
[17:52:16] <dclarke> why study math .. you can deduce everything
[17:52:51] <dclarke> sort of like F-ma .. the rest is obvious
[17:52:59] <dclarke> thats F=ma
[17:53:13] <dclarke> I guess with math you need a few axioms
[17:53:26] <dclarke> here a=b+c and a=c+b
[17:53:57] <rodrickbrown> heh
[17:54:00] <dclarke> also , and this is wild ,  d=ef and d=fe
[17:54:27] <jamesd> and    a*x =  (b +c ) * x
[17:54:46] <dclarke> but things get silly when I say -1 = e^( i x pi )
[17:55:16] <dclarke> thats if Euler wasn't totally stoned all the time
[17:55:40] <dclarke> be back in 30 minutes or so .. gotta go drive a kid
[17:55:43] <dclarke> ttyl
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[17:55:49] <rodrickbrown> later
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[18:06:12] <bank_> thanks god. I think i was lost the code.
[18:06:15] <bank_> >_<
[18:07:50] <bank_> I think I have to seriously learn SVN.
[18:16:02] <bank_> F=ma ?
[18:16:05] <bank_> newton law?
[18:20:31] <terver> F2=-F1
[18:21:02] <bank_> s=ut+1/2at^2
[18:22:51] <terver> not really. S = Int[0..T] v(t) dt
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[18:52:13] <dclarke> ok .. I'm back
[18:52:22] <jteo> wb.
[18:53:29] <dclarke> I am going bonkers trying to get serial console output from my PC machine to the DB25 ttyb port on an Ultra 2
[18:53:35] <dclarke> its driving me nuts
[18:53:45] <dclarke> I do have a real DEC VT220 terminal here
[18:54:06] <dclarke> I may have to hook that up to the serial port somehow and see if I get output .. of any kind at all
[18:55:24] <dclarke> any idea what a serial port is under linux ?
[18:55:30] <dclarke> its not /dev/ttya
[18:56:08] <richlowe> ttyS*
[18:56:27] <dclarke> knoppix@4[knoppix]$ ls /dev/ttyS*
[18:56:27] <dclarke> /dev/ttyS0  /dev/ttyS1  /dev/ttyS2  /dev/ttyS3
[18:56:40] <dclarke> okay .. that looks promising
[18:57:02] <dclarke> knoppix@4[knoppix]$ ls -lap /dev/ttyS0
[18:57:03] <dclarke> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 4, 64 Oct  1 03:30 /dev/ttyS0
[18:57:22] <dclarke> okay .. hrmm ... now I wonder if I cna drive some chars to that thing
[18:57:29] <dclarke> nope .. not unless I am root
[18:57:47] <dclarke> the real trick is will my Ultra 2 see a damn thing on the other end via tip
[19:01:26] <Justin> ummm, just run minicom?
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[19:02:28] <Peanut> minicom *shudder*
[19:02:41] <Justin> it works :)
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[19:04:36] <dclarke> minicom ?
[19:04:41] <dclarke> never heard of it ..
[19:05:58] <dclarke> okay .. now I have a DEC terminal connected to the ttya port of this machine
[19:06:01] <dclarke> still nothing
[19:06:58] <Justin> which machine is this machine?
[19:07:03] <rodrickbrown> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xGoRwm21.html
[19:07:06] <rodrickbrown> woot all done
[19:07:20] <dclarke> hrmm .. the V240 comes with a snazzy looking metal CD9 pin connector that then can have regular ethernet plugged into it
[19:07:24] <dclarke> I have two of those
[19:08:14] <Justin> you mean a rj45 connector?
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[19:09:51] <dclarke> its a DB9 to RJ45
[19:10:07] <dclarke> rodrickbrown: Random randgen = new Random();  ??
[19:10:25] <rodrickbrown> yeah unused thought I would need it but yanked it out
[19:10:27] <dclarke> rodrickbrown: looks like you are trying to sum numbers but the random bit there
[19:10:41] <dclarke> okay .. I couldn't quite see where it was doing anything
[19:10:51] <dclarke> thought it was time for more coffee here
[19:11:04] <dclarke> because I couldn;t make heads or tails out of the random bit .. thank
[19:11:10] <dclarke> thanks for messign with my head !
[19:11:14] <rodrickbrown> lol
[19:11:47] <dclarke> DecimalFormat ?
[19:11:52] <dclarke> there is a class for that now ?
[19:11:58] <dclarke> huh .. go figure
[19:12:23] <dclarke> pardon me .. but I need to go get two RJ45-DB9 connectors working for me
[19:15:01] <Error_404> be...cause a single db9 cable is out of the question?
[19:15:24] <dclarke> I don't have a DB9 cvable
[19:15:35] <dvorak> dclarke: do you have a rollover cable for use with those connectors?
[19:15:36] <dclarke> I have the neat looking adapters from a V240
[19:15:43] <dclarke> both DB25 and DB9
[19:15:57] <dclarke> the plug onto the serial ports of PC gear or Sun gear
[19:16:06] <dclarke> but the cable between them is just ethernet
[19:16:20] <dclarke> which is .. after all is said and done .. just a bunch of copper
[19:16:31] <dvorak> well, unless xmit and recv are crossed over
[19:16:38] <dvorak> which a rollover cable will reverse
[19:16:47] <dvorak> that's the nice thing about those connectors
[19:17:04] <dvorak> you can take any two of them, an ethernet and a rollover cable, and you can connect to basically anything
[19:17:15] <Error_404> i had a crossover cable as a belt once
[19:17:16] <dvorak> note: not a crossover
[19:17:36] <dclarke> standard etherent is what they use
[19:17:43] <dvorak> the rollover cable I'm talking about has everything reversed, not just ethernet xmit and recieve
[19:17:51] <dclarke> thus far I get nothing out of it or intop it
[19:17:52] <dvorak> assuming you have the right connectors, yeah
[19:17:53] <dclarke> nothing
[19:18:04] <dclarke> I use these connectors all the freaking time
[19:18:14] <dvorak> ah, ok then
[19:18:20] <dclarke> to talk to CISCO gear .. or other PC/Linux/Solaris gear
[19:18:23] <dvorak> I generally end up with whatever connectors I can dig up
[19:18:30] <dvorak> frequently cisco ones
[19:18:30] <dclarke> I have a whole kit
[19:18:33] <dvorak> nod
[19:18:54] <dclarke> flat ribbon cables, DB9 to DB25 .. modem .. null modem .. DB25 to DB25 .. all manner of stuff
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[19:19:14] <dclarke> its goes with my DEC Terminal that I have here .. the ultimate diagnostics device
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[19:19:23] <dclarke> when all else fails .. grab a real terminal
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[19:19:38] <dclarke> thus far .. eveything has failed
[19:19:44] <Peanut> dclarke: mij Dec VT520 did 'fizz' a while back :(
[19:19:52] <dclarke> when I try to boot this bitch I enter -B console=ttya
[19:20:01] <dclarke> into the grub line which loads the kernel
[19:20:18] <dclarke> I broke down and bought a new unit
[19:20:29] <dclarke> new .. in the box .. sealed .. never touched
[19:20:34] <dclarke> cost me $745
[19:20:41] <dclarke> worth every nickle
[19:20:44] <Peanut> *wow*
[19:20:49] * Peanut heads over to ebay - brb ;-)
[19:21:55] <Peanut> Ah well, so much for ebay.
[19:22:06] <dclarke> no DEC terminals eh ?
[19:22:59] <Peanut> A vt240 and a vt340, both in the USSA.
[19:23:30] <dclarke> new ?
[19:23:41] <dclarke> or 15 year old used with cigarrete burns ?
[19:24:20] <Error_404> back when smoking in the computer labs was okay
[19:25:23] <dclarke> back when it was a necessity
[19:27:02] <dclarke> okay .. now I am just being desperate ..
[19:27:11] <dclarke> I hooked up a DB9 to DB25 modem cable
[19:27:18] <dclarke> and a US Robotics Modem
[19:27:31] <dclarke> just to see if I can get any IO at all to the modme
[19:27:44] <dclarke> I figur a attention command should work
[19:27:50] <dclarke> ATI  I thik
[19:27:54] <dclarke> or ATZ
[19:28:01] <Peanut> Just AT should get you 'OK'
[19:28:21] <dclarke> nope .. I get nothing
[19:28:30] <dclarke> maybe this minicom thing is a mystery to me
[19:29:16] * Peanut has his own opinion on minicom...
[19:29:25] <dclarke> I never used it before
[19:29:29] <dclarke> looks to be trash
[19:29:30] <dvorak> I've always used kermit for that sort of thing
[19:29:40] <quasi> why use minicom when you can tip?
[19:30:03] <dclarke> this machine is presently booted with KnoppiX
[19:30:10] <dclarke> just to get a hardware test
[19:30:20] <dclarke> but .. if I try to boot Solaris 10
[19:30:29] <dclarke> with a option of  -B  console=ttya
[19:30:32] <dclarke> I get nothing
[19:30:36] <dclarke> nada
[19:30:43] <dclarke> so .. I needed to boot something
[19:30:50] <dclarke> just to drive IO at the COM port
[19:32:24] <Peanut> dclarke: use a piece of wire to connect pin 2 to pin 3, set local echo off, all hardware and software handshake to off, and see if you can get it to echo.
[19:32:35] <dclarke> the degree to which this sucks can not be expressed easily in words
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[19:32:45] <Peanut> That way, you don't have to worry about having the right amount of gender-benders in the cable.
[19:33:25] <dclarke> I have no gender benders
[19:33:36] <dclarke> but .. I am going to shut down now
[19:33:41] <dclarke> boot to Solaris 10
[19:33:51] <dclarke> so .. one moment please .. this taks about 5 minutes
[19:33:52] <Error_404> what are you trying to get to work, btw?
[19:34:00] <dclarke> console to ttya
[19:34:03] <dclarke> thats all
[19:34:27] <dclarke> bear with me
[19:34:30] <dclarke> I'll be back
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[19:56:26] * djgregor posits that his laptop running Solaris 10 keeps on eating itself due to write-back caching on the disk
[19:56:43] <djgregor> now to see if it is actually enabled....
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[20:26:03] <bank__> so sleepy
[20:29:08] <Error_404> solution: sleep
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[20:40:36] <Error_404> with all the opensolaris features being backported to Sol10.... I wonder what sun  has in store for Solaris11?
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[20:44:11] <quasi> zfs boot?
[20:44:46] <jamesd> zfs boot is update 4 i think
[20:45:38] <jamesd> crossbow  and clearview sound likely for  solaris 11.
[20:46:01] <twincest> when's brandz going back?
[20:46:37] <jamesd> b49 will have brandz, not sure what update it will be in...
[20:46:50] <LeftWing> I imagine JDS next is likely to be 11.
[20:47:04] <Error_404> jds next?
[20:47:07] <jamesd> JDS?
[20:47:18] <LeftWing> GNOME. =P
[20:47:24] * djgregor found "set ata:ata_write_cache = -1" :-)
[20:47:33] <jamesd> gnome has been in since  solaris 9
[20:47:43] <LeftWing> ...
[20:47:50] <LeftWing> Yes, but the next major refresh to the java desktop system
[20:48:01] <bank__> major refresh?
[20:48:14] <bank__> more beautiful desktop?
[20:48:14] <twincest> i remember the first version of gnome for solaris, it said "welcome to linux" when you started it
[20:48:20] <twincest> complete with penguin logo :)
[20:48:23] <LeftWing> heh
[20:48:26] <jamesd> why doesn't that excite me.. if they really want to change the world...  include KDE or  looking glass.
[20:48:43] <LeftWing> Bleh, KDE. =P   XFCE4 would be good. =)
[20:49:25] <twincest> trusted JDS for S11 too, or did they retofit that to the current version?
[20:49:33] <quasi> or just drop all that X bloat and go back to good old CDE
[20:49:38] <jamesd> what does XFCE bring.. it doesn't change anything its just a window manager.
[20:50:17] <LeftWing> It's a little more featureful than just a window manager.
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[20:52:13] <jamesd> but it doesn't intergrate enough features to make it a full desktop.
[20:52:38] <LeftWing> What's so obviously missing?
[20:53:10] <jamesd> a browser, an email client
[20:53:29] <Auralis> what features does gnome has that you don't get with a more lightwigth wm?
[20:53:53] <LeftWing> jamesd: It looks like Firefox and Thunderbird have the potential to be bundled in the future, so that's a moot point.
[20:53:54] * jamesd is not a gnome fan.
[20:54:00] <quasi> Auralis: a feeling of bloat and an ugly panel ;)
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[20:54:13] <Auralis> heheh
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[20:56:03] <jamesd> all these lightweight window managers were designed to run on a 50mhz machine with 16MB of ram... now we have  ghz machines with 256MB of ram... why not use the cpu and ram that mostly just sit idle on a desktop system, yes the bigger ones needed to be tuned to run better, but why not add the features and use the cpu and ram.
[20:56:56] <twincest> JDS isn't usable with 256MB
[20:57:00] <LeftWing> Because you're unecessarily burning power and because it kills the idea of the thin client.
[20:57:01] <galt> because theer's more important things to do with those ghz than WM overhead
[20:57:18] <quasi> jamesd: because idling leaves headroom for heavier tasks and saves power with decent pm
[20:57:32] <jamesd> galt, on a desktop box?  like what?
[20:57:40] <LeftWing> Like not heating the room as much.
[20:57:42] <Auralis> because i DO use every bit of cpu and gfx power my machine has, i don't want to wast 30% of it just to be able to start a program
[20:57:53] <jamesd> the heaviest task that 90% of all desktop see is a  office suite or a browser.
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[20:58:29] <galt> if you could get the WM out of the way when the cycles are needed, it might not be so bad, but wasting a portion of the GPU/CPU that you can't claim when needed is just stupid
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[20:59:10] <LeftWing> I really don't think Xfce lacks anything compelling as compared to GNOME or KDE anyway -- especially considering it can invoke and manage the GNOME & KDE configuration services.
[20:59:24] <richlowe> I see JDS (excluding ffox and tbird) as sitting on 182M of RSS currently.
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[20:59:31] <jamesd> it doesn't seem that hard, just make the window manager turn off the eye candy when the cpu is more than 70% busy doing non windowmanager stuff.
[20:59:44] <galt> james_, well, guess what, both of those now are using the same philosophy: we got all this room, use it.  so the net result is you have wrose performance out of the ghz machine than you did out of hte 50 mhz
[21:00:24] <richlowe> And pretty much not touching the CPU, except those that aren't actually idle.
[21:00:41] <Auralis> heck i was doing PCB CD/CAM work on a 50mhz sparc 10, that frelling thing was faster during interactive use then gedit
[21:01:14] <Auralis> gedit on a dual cpu blade 1000 that is
[21:01:21] <jamesd> galt, some  dtrace experts need to take a look at tuning X and gnome,  there is room for a lot of improvement,  fixing them would be a huge leap forward for linux/unix on the desktop.
[21:01:34] <bank__> grayscale mode
[21:01:39] <richlowe> it's also worth noting that if I ditch some of the more foolish panel applets that would practically halve.
[21:02:19] <galt> james_, what, so it can get as streamlined as say, firefox?
[21:02:29] <Auralis> lol
[21:03:07] <jamesd> galt, no so it can run as fast as X on a solaris 8 box...
[21:03:40] <LeftWing> Throwing "dtrace experts" at a problem won't necessarilly fix it, either.
[21:04:47] <galt> how many times has FF been told of the image memory leak for example?
[21:05:37] <jamesd> LeftWing, well if they submit patches it would go a long way.
[21:06:07] <galt> so dtrace generates patches now?
[21:06:10] <LeftWing> jamesd: That still implies that all of the performance problems are patch-sized, rather than just fundamental problems with the entire design of some applications.
[21:07:46] <jamesd> LeftWing, welll typical improvement when DTrace is used to tune an app is  40-4000%  ... i'm sure  gnome, firefox, kde  could sure do a lot better with even 40% better.
[21:08:29] <LeftWing> That's a pretty lofty and meaningless statistic.  I'm really not trying to knock DTrace, it's a fantastic technology.  But it is not a panacea.
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[21:26:04] <PerterB> I think what LeftWing is trying to say is, "you can't polish a turd"
[21:27:24] <hali> anyone tried the postgresql dtrace support?
[21:30:56] <bank__> postgressql dtrace support?
[21:31:17] <Error_404> bank__: yeah, postgres has dtrace probes in it now
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[21:31:35] <hali> very funky... if i could get it to work :)
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[21:31:57] <hali> i just get silly "does not match any probes" with i try it
[21:32:37] <bank__> yesterday I just try to connect to pgsql via pgsql32  (that is what I know about postgre) _ _
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[21:34:55] <bank__> hali: you use dtrace to probe the performance of postgre?
[21:35:17] <jamesd> bank__, yes
[21:35:42] <bank__> I ever imagine probe .. as a node .somewhere in server ..
[21:36:14] <hali> bank__: you can probe commits, rollbacks, started transactions .. stuff like that
[21:36:15] <bank__> but you said like ... postgres has dtrace probes.... or that mean d programming trace the hardware node?
[21:36:29] <hali> dtrace isn't really hardware related
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[21:38:32] <hali> might be because i run it in a zone.. hm
[21:39:01] <jamesd> well you have to run dtrace in the global zone, even if the app is running in a zone.
[21:39:10] <hali> how silly
[21:39:31] <bank__> hali: what is the benefit of postgreSQL over mysql?
[21:39:50] <hali> bank__: just about everything except plowing through raw data
[21:40:13] <hali> bank__: mysql is faster if you have simple queries and a lot of data
[21:40:20] <bank__> everything !? :O
[21:41:15] <hali> postgresql's query engine is probably the most advanced open source engine.. very smart and has lots of features.. makes use of bitmap mapping ..
[21:41:30] <jamesd> hali, its because  dtrace and zones were developed  at the same time by different groups...  and they haven't got them to work together completely, its being worked on but will take time.
[21:41:31] <hali> not to speak about the fact that it is reliable... it cares about data constitancy
[21:41:44] <hali> jamesd: ok
[21:42:21] <bank__> ahhh..
[21:42:24] <hali> bank__: i would never use mysql for anything important.. the way it handles data integrity, multiversioning and transactions ist just plain wrong
[21:43:20] <hali> and you have proper warn standby support in 8.2
[21:43:37] <hali> (without having to have the whole database in ram as you do with mysql)
[21:46:20] <bank__> I hear many people talking very deep about performance issue.
[21:46:28] <bank__> I am really far from that.
[21:47:24] <hali> postgresql can be a bit slow with extremly write intense applications if not configured properly and installed on sufficent spindles
[21:48:50] <hali> so wy not deploy it on a thumper :)
[21:49:03] <hali> that would give you enough spindles :)
[21:51:02] <bank__> thank you for sharing those experience.
[21:52:03] <bank__> actually I am at the office .looking through System use case. :( so sleepy
[21:54:28] <bank__> sorry for unuseful information :P
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[22:02:05] <Error_404> let's see if it's ZFS causing my O/N build to fail
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[22:25:13] <bank__> it's 3.20 AM here
[22:30:36] <Error_404> what'd be  ultra funny is if i finally managed to get this to compile & it bricked my server
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[22:53:43] * quasi start growling at fmd - >700M and one whole cpu seems a bit much for fault management
[22:54:15] <Error_404> sounds like a fault
[22:54:21] <Peanut> Maybe you're having lots of faults?
[22:54:45] <quasi> just one
[22:54:54] <quasi> busted dimm
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[23:00:53] <quasi> or maybe it is more than that - but that's the only thing fmd finds
[23:04:53] <richlowe> or maybe it's getting faults from that over and over and over
[23:05:35] <Error_404> why exactly are you keeping a broken DIMM inside the machine?
[23:05:58] <richlowe> what does fmstat -a say? how much output do you get from fmdump? :)
[23:06:03] <quasi> Error_404: because the machine is thousands of miles away
[23:06:12] <Error_404> makes sense
[23:07:12] <quasi> fmstat -a is all 0s and fmdump just mentions the same fault from every time the machine was booted since the trouble started
[23:08:13] <quasi> worst thing was that replacing the dimm didn't help, so we've got most of a new v40z sitting ready to replace the faulty one
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[23:08:47] <kimc> Free Hog
[23:08:50] <Error_404> my U2 has a bad ram socket
[23:09:02] <Error_404> or something
[23:09:09] <boyd> What about fmdump -e
[23:09:29] <boyd> Error_404: jmcp had that
[23:09:30] <Error_404> it spits errors from a certain module (bank 2, dimm 2 specifically) regardless which module i throw in there
[23:09:54] <Error_404> boyd: did he ever get it solved?
[23:10:15] <boyd> http://blogs.sun.com/jmcp/entry/on_fma_it_really_does
[23:10:47] <quasi> boyd: fmdump -e just spits out a whole pile like Oct 01 06:16:04.1236 ereport.cpu.amd.nb.mem_ce
[23:11:04] <boyd> Same error over and over.... it shoudl retire the page
[23:11:07] <richlowe> I like the use of "just" there.
[23:11:09] <richlowe> :)
[23:11:17] <boyd> heh
[23:13:14] <boyd> quasi: Does fmstat show many events for cpumem-diagnosis?
[23:13:33] <quasi> richlowe: one for every 10 seconds all day
[23:13:51] <quasi> module             ev_recv ev_acpt wait  svc_t  %w  %b  open solve  memsz  bufsz
[23:13:55] <quasi> cpumem-retire          282       0  0.4   13.0   0   0     0     0    61b      0
[23:14:08] <quasi> eft                    140     370  0.1 1583.7   3  15     2    26   3.0M    35K
[23:14:17] <quasi> sysevent-transport       0       0  0.0 113706.5   4   0     0     0      0      0
[23:14:54] <boyd> what about fmstat -m cpumem-retire
[23:15:18] <quasi>            page_flts 253              page faults resolved
[23:15:23] <quasi>          page_retmax 27               hit max retries for page retire
[23:15:35] <quasi> everything else is blank
[23:15:42] <boyd> Sounds broken to me :)
[23:16:21] <boyd> Ok, one last fmstat -s -m cpumem-diagnosis
[23:16:26] <quasi> yeah, indeed - but at least ::memstat in mdb -k seems to report a little less than 16G mem
[23:16:43] <quasi> fmstat: failed to retrieve serd engines for cpumem-diagnosis: specified module is not loaded in fault manager
[23:16:46] <boyd> It should only be retiring a single page
[23:16:54] <boyd> Ah.
[23:17:11] <boyd> Could be the socket... like jmcps
[23:17:49] <quasi> yes, that would fit the whole dimm being tossed
[23:17:50] <agliodbs> hmmm
[23:18:02] <quasi>   100%  fault.memory.dimm_ck
[23:18:06] <agliodbs> so, I need to set up a Sun Ultra 20 workstation
[23:18:11] <quasi> Problem in: hc:///motherboard=0/chip=3/memory-controller=0/dimm=3
[23:18:16] <richlowe> is there *nobody* near the machine to pull the dimm?
[23:18:19] <agliodbs> and somebody gave the the x86 build 43 dvd
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[23:18:32] <agliodbs> I'm screwed, yes?
[23:18:44] <Error_404> agliodbs: chuck it in, and let it fly
[23:19:09] <quasi> richlowe: we tried last week, but it didn't help (although I wouldn't entirely write off the possibility he grabbed the wrong dimm ;)
[23:19:13] <agliodbs> the ultra 20 is a sparc, isn't it?
[23:19:16] <Error_404> U20 is an opteron workstation
[23:19:20] <richlowe> agliodbs: no.
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[23:19:34] <gisburn> umpf
[23:19:35] <agliodbs> richlowe: oh, ok, thanks!
[23:19:35] <richlowe> ultra20 is opteron, Sun's marketing are tools.
[23:19:35] <richlowe> :)
[23:19:43] * richlowe didn't say that last bit, however
[23:19:44] <gisburn> this channel has far to few /op's
[23:19:53] <boyd> richlowe: You must be the only one then
[23:19:58] <agliodbs> richlowe: well, Sun doesn't spend much on marketing
[23:20:07] <jamesd> u1, 2, 25, 30, 45, 60, 80, blade 100, 150, 1000, 1500, 2500  are sparc
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[23:20:08] <gisburn> Does anyone know whether there is a public SCTP server out there ?
[23:20:13] <Tpenta> better?
[23:20:15] <agliodbs> so, YGWYPFOL
[23:20:26] <gisburn> Tpenta: yes :-)
[23:20:34] <jamesd> oops i forgot  u5, u10
[23:20:49] <agliodbs> jamesd: gods, are they being purposely confusing?
[23:20:58] <boyd> jamesd: It would have been easier to complement that bitset
[23:21:03] <gisburn> Tpenta: IMO there should be more ops here to scare wanna-be trolls
[23:21:04] <jamesd> agliodbs, could be...
[23:21:35] <jamesd> u20  and 40  are opteron
[23:21:44] <Tpenta> we really don't have a lot of trouble with trolls, and sometimes havign an op kick is overkill and only makes things worse
[23:22:33] <boyd> I think a decision must have been taken to brand all the workstations as "Ultra" which probably had some recognition. Shame the marketing people don't know what an arch is.
[23:22:46] <jamesd> richlowe,  i wouldn't even say  sun marketing people are "tools"  they would some how spin the turn and people may think they are useful in some way.
[23:23:20] <jamesd> er term
[23:24:35] <agliodbs> oh no
[23:24:52] <agliodbs> this thing ships without keyboard, mouse, or adaptors
[23:25:03] <gisburn> question: a tcp6 socket can always access IPv4 addresses using the IPv4 stack, right ?
[23:25:08] <agliodbs> like, I requires dvi video
[23:25:25] <jamesd> agliodbs, the u20?
[23:25:29] <agliodbs> yeah
[23:26:02] <jamesd> it should include a keyboard, and the on board video is  hd15, the extra video board are  dvi
[23:26:43] <jamesd> i have the large config, its dual dvi on the card, and  hd15 on the motherboard.. it uses  any usb keyboard.
[23:27:03] <gisburn> uhm
[23:27:05] <agliodbs> jamesd: ah.  found the standard video
[23:27:06] <richlowe> but, it's worth noting, the type7 is awesome.
[23:27:18] <gisburn> is ANYONE here with networking knowledge ?
[23:27:21] <agliodbs> no keyboard though. there's a box for the keyboard, but it's empty
[23:27:23] <gisburn> *wave*
[23:27:40] <agliodbs> hopefully I have a usb keyboard adapter
[23:27:49] <agliodbs> usb mouse, too, presumably?
[23:28:00] <jamesd> gisburn, yes, you plug in the cable with the giant phone connectors into the  matching wholes and it just plain works ;-p
[23:28:06] <jamesd> yeap
[23:28:27] <Peanut> What kind of networking knowledge are you looking for, gisburn?
[23:28:45] <gisburn> Peanut: sctp
[23:29:04] <gisburn> Peanut: http://bugs.grommit.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16
[23:29:57] <Error_404> okay, this is stupid... my machine is crap, i need a second processor or core or something
[23:30:57] <Peanut> First time I've come across sctp
[23:31:01] <agliodbs> crapola.  I don't own a USB keyboard
[23:31:32] <jamesd> agliodbs, visit your local walmart or  ebay if you have a bit of patence.
[23:31:36] <Error_404> agliodbs: do you have $10? because that's about how much they go for
[23:31:53] <agliodbs> not anywhere I can get one on a Sunday
[23:32:00] <agliodbs> I'll have to cough up $35
[23:32:07] <agliodbs> Yet More Money Sun Owes Me
[23:32:35] <jamesd> agliodbs, where are you located?
[23:33:55] <agliodbs> SF
[23:34:06] <jamesd> san francisco?
[23:34:08] <agliodbs> yes
[23:34:28] <jamesd> go to the nearest wallmart, they have usb keyboards for $10-$15
[23:34:39] <agliodbs> jamesd: there isn't a walmart in SF
[23:34:59] <agliodbs> jamesd: and in any case, I'm not spending another hour driving somewhere to pick up a keyboard
[23:35:07] <jamesd> but there is one in fremont  if there isn't one closer or union city.
[23:35:10] <agliodbs> becuase the idiots from CEC forgot to supply one
[23:35:23] <agliodbs> jamesd: fremont is an hour drive, each way
[23:35:32] <agliodbs> Sun can compensate me
[23:35:43] <jamesd> you need heavier shoes....
[23:35:56] <Tpenta> normally keyboard mouse etc are part of the country kit
[23:36:06] <agliodbs> heh, time to put on my boots of but-kicking?
[23:36:33] <jamesd> press the long vertical petal a bit harder and it won't take an hour.
[23:37:14] <jamesd> and when did people in california begin following the speed limits anyway...
[23:37:37] <agliodbs> jamesd: Driving 60 miles round trip to save $25 isn't exactly good bargain sense
[23:37:53] <agliodbs> especially when Sun won't comp me for the milage
[23:38:06] <agliodbs> off to the hardware store, I'll be back
[23:38:40] <agliodbs> (btw, if you hadn't guessed, I'm pretty pissed off to be working on a Sunday because somebody else screwed up)
[23:38:47] <agliodbs> brb
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[23:51:28] <Error_404> offtopic: anyone have a tivo?
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