November 26, 2019 
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November 26, 2019 [03:46:29] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:46:56] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has joined #openindiana[03:46:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[08:19:39] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[08:56:06] *** arnoldoree <arnoldoree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has joined #openindiana[08:59:14] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has joined #openindiana[12:10:03] *** ngchk1 <ngchk1!~ngchk1@b2b-92-50-91-166.unitymedia.biz> has joined #openindiana[14:26:51] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@185.212.171.68> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[14:28:11] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@152.89.163.6> has joined #openindiana[15:17:56] *** amrmesh <amrmesh!~Thunderbi@134.19.189.92> has joined #openindiana[15:19:03] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@152.89.163.6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:19:04] *** amrmesh is now known as amrfrsh[15:25:06] *** amrmesh <amrmesh!~Thunderbi@134.19.189.92> has joined #openindiana[15:25:32] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@134.19.189.92> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[15:25:33] *** amrmesh is now known as amrfrsh[15:44:33] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@134.19.189.92> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:08:10] *** jlevon <jlevon!~jlevon@movementarian.org> has joined #openindiana[16:08:49] <jlevon> is there a reason OI install image's loader is configured only for VGA console, not serial?[16:10:57] <tsoome> likely noone was asking for.[16:11:10] <Reinhilde> would be ideal if it had both[16:11:47] <Reinhilde> bonus points if the loader has a line interface on serial because the only serial terminal I've ever had was hard copy[16:11:47] <rennj> ttyA ttyB lives on. boot option not nvram setting..x86...[16:11:47] <jlevon> I just had a pretty miserable time until I discovered the BIOS had a vnc server...[16:12:29] <rennj> intel me / amd psp remote admin ...pro version even more options[16:13:24] <Reinhilde> I never got to use real UNIX on hardcopy, but I have had the privilege of Linux on hardcopy and it was damned fun[16:14:19] <Reinhilde> just watching it print out my prompt, print out the output of the commands i run... hypnotic[16:17:44] *** epitamizor <epitamizor!~snake@207-118-122-119.dyn.centurytel.net> has joined #openindiana[16:20:57] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:30:22] <epitamizor> hey what is wrong with the installer? i booted to maintenance mode and its at a root prompt[16:32:39] <epitamizor> Beginning a text based installation by booting from the OpenIndiana text based installer.[16:32:52] <epitamizor> now I'm at maintenance mode[16:43:31] <toasterson> epitamizor (IRC): as far as i remember installer does not have a maintenance mode. You would only hit that if something on the cd was broken. But then everybody would get that. What does your screen show and what would you expect?[16:43:52] <rennj> https://docs.openindiana.org/handbook/common-tasks/[16:43:58] <rennj> # echo console=ttya > /boot/conf.d/console[16:44:04] <epitamizor> hmm it does say it cant find the install media[16:44:04] <rennj> (Alternatively, use eeprom console=ttya).[16:44:13] <rennj> but that is sparc[16:44:33] <rennj> jlevon, you on sparc?[16:44:48] <jlevon> no[16:44:48] <epitamizor> i grabbed the .usb file and extracted it to virtualbox .vdi though[16:45:05] <jlevon> rennj: difficult typing when you've got nothing to type into..[16:45:37] <toasterson> epitamizor (IRC): that wont work use .ios and cd for virtualbox[16:45:53] <toasterson> epitamizor (IRC): *.iso[16:46:26] <epitamizor> how do i put on to usb file though, dd?[16:46:27] <toasterson> openindiana expects the bus to be a on a usb type .vdi disks are attached to the sata bus[16:46:27] <rennj> basically edit the boot option on live media boots[16:46:41] <toasterson> epitamizor (IRC): use .iso for virtualbox[16:47:51] <rennj> dd usb image to usb flash dongle...or burn the iso image to cdrom media/or boot in virtualmachine..foo[16:48:39] <rennj> its on the page is it not?[16:49:13] <epitamizor> ya, i was still trying to convert to see if it worked or not[16:49:23] <epitamizor> looks like not[16:49:40] <rennj> For instructions regarding downloading, preparing and installing the images, please refer to the OpenIndiana Handbook.[16:49:47] <rennj> http://docs.openindiana.org/handbook/getting-started/[16:50:05] <rennj> its on the page![16:50:05] <rennj> # dd if=image.usb of=/dev/sdb[16:50:41] <rennj> assuming you know linux and lsblk or blkid commands and how to find devices.[16:51:09] <rennj> convert it?[16:51:49] <epitamizor> i know it works from iso to virtualbox, but the same isn't true for .usb to virtualbox[16:52:10] <rennj> https://www.openindiana.org/download/[16:52:22] <rennj> why they have 2 iso and usb[16:53:10] <toasterson> epitamizor (IRC): yes we never inteded it to.[16:53:13] <epitamizor> usb is smaller[16:53:18] <toasterson> *intended[16:53:40] <epitamizor> ?[16:54:00] <rennj> maybe virtualbox was you to pay for usb boot support..check the vm's bios settings[16:54:05] <epitamizor> nm, im downloading iso instead[16:54:09] <toasterson> epitamizor (IRC): nope usb is bigger[16:54:12] <rennj> larry audit you on usb feature foo[16:55:13] <toasterson> rennj (IRC): no different bus USB Bus vs. Sata Bus. The Kernel wont scan sata bus due to the fact that we assume OI boxes want the most out of ZFS which meants upwards of 200Disks is common[16:55:26] <toasterson> in installer image at least[16:56:05] <rennj> kernel modules huge vs generic kernel?[16:56:21] <rennj> initrd.gz and switchroot/pivotroot is where i would settle that[16:56:41] <rennj> catch22 usb kernel module in the kernel, or not[16:57:12] <toasterson> rennj (IRC): ??? no the kernel can see that bus[16:57:17] <toasterson> but it wont search it[16:57:20] <rennj> so a generic stripped down kernel has it as module...you need to put that in the initrd.gz....[16:57:33] <rennj> cfgadm[16:57:40] <rennj> scan the buses[16:57:56] <toasterson> too many disks cause a hang at boot because you never know where the install image would have landed.[16:58:30] <toasterson> scan for live image includes mounting every possible partition[16:58:38] <toasterson> not just cfgadm[16:58:45] <rennj> the live media boot should just be trying to find its compressed rootfs...prior to doing the install...that could be separate track[16:59:12] <toasterson> rennj (IRC): it does that but only on usb and cd-rom devices[16:59:13] <rennj> the grub oi uses still hacked version?[16:59:38] <toasterson> we use lodaer now. grub is still the hacked one if you still have that installed[16:59:43] <toasterson> FreeBSD loader that is[17:02:02] <rennj> no sparc![17:02:03] <rennj> haha[17:02:32] <toasterson> rennj (IRC): ah, nice 🙂 but isn't that using openrom?[17:02:42] <rennj> openboot[17:02:56] <toasterson> yes that :)[17:02:57] <rennj> no i mean opensolaris for x86/sparc..[17:03:06] <rennj> nolonger building OI for sparc[17:03:39] <toasterson> rennj (IRC): we do have a new sparc community build[17:06:19] <rennj> https://i.imgur.com/fVNpK.jpg https://i.imgur.com/px0V8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BJGGz.jpg vmware ftw![17:06:50] <rennj> at the time the sun guys after buying innotek virtualbox..could not get that vm working on virtualbox..but it did work on vmware player[17:08:15] <rennj> 4 nics and 16 drives comes on[17:09:20] <rennj> thats the fishworks thumper vm[17:09:35] <rennj> zfs hybrid storage[17:09:51] <rennj> l2arc/zil placement..woooo[17:11:04] <toasterson> rennj (IRC): neat. but that is a x86 vm right?[17:11:38] <rennj> 2011 thumper vm..sun released[17:11:51] <rennj> they made it..i just ran it..in vmware player[17:12:10] <rennj> demo![17:12:17] <rennj> its functional[17:12:49] <rennj> yeah solaris 10 x86 with zfs[17:13:44] <rennj> toasterson, https://pasteboard.co/IwuAPBu.png[17:13:50] <rennj> amd64 ftw![17:14:31] <rennj> arm device tree stupid, with no bios, ibm power9, sparc!....im not moving off x86/64[17:15:12] <epitamizor> SoC is the future though[17:15:22] <rennj> fpga soc perhaps[17:15:45] <rennj> software > hardware[17:15:59] <rennj> asic comes back to software when the new hardware gets fast enough[17:16:14] <rennj> btc miners asic's[17:16:58] <rennj> mister fpga is nice[17:17:41] <rennj> like couple of dozen console/computer system covered[17:19:33] <rennj> DeadCells grinding in windows10 gaming vm with 3GB of vram[17:20:18] <Reinhilde> ZFS does not assume 200 discs[17:20:27] <Reinhilde> looney tunes[17:20:44] <rennj> zdev/vdevs..in the zpools[17:29:07] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@185.212.171.68> has joined #openindiana[17:29:33] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has joined #openindiana[17:31:10] * psydroid barely has a use for x86/amd64 outside of his laptops[17:42:52] <Reinhilde> it'd be so weird if sparc actually caught on[17:43:48] *** amrmesh <amrmesh!~Thunderbi@152.89.163.6> has joined #openindiana[17:44:56] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@185.212.171.68> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:45:00] *** amrmesh is now known as amrfrsh[17:51:53] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@152.89.163.6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[17:52:02] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has joined #openindiana[17:59:45] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@cpe-67-253-141-249.rochester.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:00:22] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openindiana[18:04:01] *** amrmesh <amrmesh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has joined #openindiana[18:04:50] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[18:04:50] *** amrmesh is now known as amrfrsh[18:15:29] <psydroid> I have sparc servers, but never had any x86 servers[18:15:40] <psydroid> just desktops and laptops[18:16:52] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:36:44] <rennj> tadpole/rdi sparc laptop or go sun voyager[18:38:09] <rennj> my users had sparc workstation on their desktops, besides the sun servers on backend.[18:39:24] <rennj> nis+ nfs network was glorious[18:52:44] <psydroid> maybe we will see something coming out of russia some day[18:53:27] <epitamizor> lol a giant ICBM[19:00:47] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has joined #openindiana[19:01:31] *** _Tenchi_ <_Tenchi_!~phil@207.255.80.203> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:02:27] *** _Tenchi_ <_Tenchi_!~phil@d-207-255-80-203.paw.cpe.atlanticbb.net> has joined #openindiana[19:14:16] <epitamizor> anyone got any ideas what is wrong with this? https://postimg.cc/kDtJT1Ms/79bd5059[19:15:43] <rennj> font issue...language choice/locale[19:38:19] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:17:42] *** amrfrsh <amrfrsh!~Thunderbi@190.2.145.106> has joined #openindiana[20:18:09] *** epitamizor <epitamizor!~snake@207-118-122-119.dyn.centurytel.net> has left #openindiana ("Connection terminated")[23:03:40] *** zsj <zsj!~zsj@2E6B271E.catv.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #openindiana[23:08:03] *** arnoldoree <arnoldoree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:17:28] *** Kurlon_ <Kurlon_!~Kurlon@cpe-67-253-141-249.rochester.res.rr.com> 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