November 7, 2019 
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November 7, 2019 [00:10:21] *** shikhinCube is now known as CompanionCube[01:37:42] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!8a61ba0a@unaffiliated/luklabs> has joined #openindiana[01:38:12] <s0n1c-> Is there any other window manager besides Mate for OpenIndiana?[01:42:02] <AmyMalik> MATE is not a window manager[01:42:17] <AmyMalik> also i believe you can install any DE you want as long as it compiles on illumos[01:43:32] <s0n1c-> Nice! And is there any alternative to Mate for OpenIndiana?[01:44:23] <s0n1c-> I searched the repository and did not find ...[01:45:33] <AmyMalik> But yeah, compile what you want and install it to where you want to install it[01:46:06] <AmyMalik> While I personally use xfce, I do that on freebsd. I do not use a desktop environment on any of my illumos machines (none of which are OI by the way)[01:46:31] <AmyMalik> So ignore me[01:47:46] <s0n1c-> On Linux I like fluxbox. I would like to install CDE on OI, but I couldn't, so I'm looking for alternatives similar to fluxbox and blackbox ...[02:21:45] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!8a61ba0a@unaffiliated/luklabs> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:08:58] *** _Tenchi_ <_Tenchi_!~phil@207.255.80.203> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[03:27:13] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:27:39] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has joined #openindiana[03:27:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[03:34:29] *** _Tenchi_ <_Tenchi_!~phil@d-207-255-80-203.paw.cpe.atlanticbb.net> has joined #openindiana[03:34:29] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has joined #openindiana[03:40:32] <s0n1c-> https://i.postimg.cc/fzrh1WwC/Screenshot-at-2019-11-07-02-35-18.png[03:41:16] <s0n1c-> Now this is my favorite system![03:41:19] <s0n1c-> =)[03:48:05] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has quit IRC (Quit: Deus eh lindo)[04:04:21] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has joined #openindiana[04:32:21] <s0n1c-> What is the path of apache's public html directory in OpenIndiana?[04:33:49] <s0n1c-> Sorry, I found it! (/var/apache2/2.4/htdocs) - thanks![05:42:26] *** panorain <panorain!~panorain@airstream-farmers-pppoe-10-ws-216.direct.airstreamcomm.net> has joined #openindiana[06:51:53] <mnowak_> s0n1c-, we also have awesome WM and openbox[07:06:29] *** popgreen <popgreen!~panorain@airstream-farmers-pppoe-10-ws-216.direct.airstreamcomm.net> has joined #openindiana[08:11:07] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:13:11] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Quit: tsoome)[08:26:14] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined #openindiana[08:52:36] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has joined #openindiana[10:36:44] *** arnoldoree <arnoldoree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has joined #openindiana[12:03:47] *** totalburn <totalburn!dc745688@220.116.86.136> has joined #openindiana[12:25:34] <tomww> 3[12:40:03] *** Gathis <Gathis!~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis> has joined #openindiana[12:44:57] <s0n1c-> mnowak_: thanks xD[12:51:23] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has quit IRC (Quit: Deus eh Lindo!)[12:52:59] *** javashin <javashin!~javashin@unaffiliated/javashin> has joined #openindiana[12:53:03] <javashin> hello[12:53:32] <javashin> i did the installation and upgraded[12:54:02] <javashin> in qemu libvirt[12:56:04] <javashin> and i mounted the image in nbd with qemu-nbd imported rpool did the copy to a new dataset in my Zfsonlinux Zroot pool i have put loader64e.efi in ESP/EFI set bootfs to the dataset zroot/ROOT/OpenIndiana rebooted and i cant boot[12:56:24] <javashin> what else do i need to do to make this work ?[13:00:55] <tsoome> what you mean by cant boot?[13:01:52] <javashin> yeah it dont boot from the dataset in the zfsonlinux pool[13:02:02] <tsoome> does loader get started?[13:02:07] <javashin> yes[13:02:17] <javashin> when sunos gets in[13:02:25] <tsoome> can it see the root file system?[13:02:35] <javashin> looks like no[13:02:39] <javashin> cant boot[13:02:48] <javashin> i mean dont boot[13:03:25] <tsoome> start the vm, when you see bootloader menu, press esc to get out of the menu[13:03:45] <tsoome> (seeing the menu actually does imply it can read the root fs)[13:04:01] <tsoome> on ok promt use ls /[13:04:13] <tsoome> and: show currdev[13:05:09] <tsoome> and: lsdev -v (pastebin the outputs)[13:05:20] <tsoome> then you can try: boot -k[13:08:55] <javashin> ?[13:09:05] <javashin> its in my real hardware[13:09:29] <javashin> i extracted from the vm vhd[13:10:02] <javashin> and put all the files inside a dataset which is in my zfsonlinux pool[13:10:16] <javashin> make bootfs point to this dataset[13:10:35] <javashin> and the loader64.efi tries to boot[13:10:50] <javashin> but is arguing about some pci or something[13:10:57] <javashin> or cant read the zfs[13:11:07] <javashin> and just reboot[13:11:47] <javashin> ok let me see[13:11:50] <javashin> wait[13:15:24] <toasterson> javashin (IRC): yes the boot archive has the disk paths cached/Hardcoded you will need to boot with a live image and fixup the boot archive on the pool[13:16:20] <javashin> i have it mounted now in my gentoo[13:16:26] <javashin> what i need to edit[13:16:27] <javashin> ?[13:17:11] <javashin> needs to be OI ?[13:18:24] <javashin> but if i boot the 2019.04 is not going to recognize zfsonlinux pool where is the updated version of OI in a dataset[13:18:30] <javashin> im not using rpool[13:18:38] <javashin> my pool name is zroot[13:19:25] <javashin> can i edit everyhting on linux or i need to execute some commands on chroot or something which is not going to be possible[13:22:37] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-67-253-141-249.rochester.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:39:56] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has joined #openindiana[13:40:52] *** AmyMalik is now known as Reinhilde[13:41:15] <s0n1c-> which code editor do you use? (in openindiana)[13:42:18] <s0n1c-> I installed geany, but I'm used to atom / vscode[13:45:15] *** javashin <javashin!~javashin@unaffiliated/javashin> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:45:39] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[13:46:16] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has joined #openindiana[13:52:37] <s0n1c-> mnowak_: Which code editor do you use?[14:02:40] <toasterson> javashin (IRC): we just released 2019.10 release. and yes you will need to run the bootadm utility from a oi installation. see man bootadm, how to specify an alternative mounter root image and a nother pool[14:04:00] <toasterson> s0n1c- (IRC): https://pkgsrc.joyent.com/install-on-illumos/ pkgsrc has the most pre compiled options for a desktop[14:10:38] <s0n1c-> nice, thanks![14:33:18] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openindiana[14:41:17] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:03:01] *** s0n1c- <s0n1c-!~logos@unaffiliated/luklabs> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[15:17:53] *** javashin <javashin!~javashin@unaffiliated/javashin> has joined #openindiana[15:17:57] <javashin> hi Tsesarevich[15:18:03] <javashin> oh wait[15:18:21] <javashin> sry about that[15:18:44] <javashin> i can see the / root files[15:18:47] <javashin> yes[15:19:01] <javashin> but the bootloader got stuck[15:19:43] *** lopta <lopta!~ball@104.201.113.42> has joined #openindiana[15:19:48] <javashin> Notice cannot read the pool label from 'id blah blah' which ends in 5[15:20:02] <javashin> that is my zpool partition 5[15:20:31] <toasterson> did you partition the disk?[15:20:48] <javashin> Notice spa_import_rootpool error 5[15:21:15] <javashin> vfs_mountroot cannot mount root[15:21:17] <javashin> why[15:21:55] <javashin> i just drop the files from the libvirt virtualhd into a new dataset in my zfsonlinux zpool[15:22:19] <javashin> ls dev and show currdev show me what i want[15:22:32] <javashin> zroot/ROOT/OpenIndiana[15:22:42] <javashin> ls / show my files[15:22:48] <javashin> and boot -k[15:22:55] <javashin> show the errors ^^^^[15:25:45] <toasterson> yes it could not import the pool. propably because our default rootpool is named rpool and not zroot. you must update boot archive in the new location from live image[15:26:43] <javashin> the thing is i will not be able to read from the zfs on linux pool[15:27:09] <javashin> i had to upgrade ..... pkg update --be-name OpenIndiana[15:27:28] <javashin> and removed the original be[15:27:46] <toasterson> we released 2019.10 today[15:27:54] <javashin> holy[15:27:56] <javashin> yeah[15:28:19] <javashin> so it can be installed in the current pool in the text installer[15:28:20] <javashin> ?[15:28:21] <javashin> nice[15:28:28] <javashin> let me erase all this[15:29:36] <toasterson> probably? We have not tested it[15:29:54] <javashin> oh[15:30:02] <javashin> so this can bork my zpool[15:30:21] <javashin> hmm i have no backups[15:30:52] <toasterson> you can install to existing pool[15:31:00] <toasterson> but yeah make a backup[15:31:05] <javashin> ok[15:31:16] <javashin> the intel drm has been updated ??[15:31:57] <toasterson> no. but only a few very recent cpu's fail because of that[15:43:07] <javashin> there is no way to make the kms load without garbage when loading the Xorg ?[15:43:33] <javashin> ihad problems with my sound card too in 2019.04[15:43:50] <javashin> if u remember[15:47:34] <toasterson> what do you mean by load with garbage?[15:51:42] *** tsoome <tsoome!~tsoome@148-52-235-80.sta.estpak.ee> has joined #openindiana[16:00:59] <lopta> toasterson: That's what I do in the evening when I get hungry.[16:02:17] * toasterson now thinks about junk food[16:41:43] <javashin> er[16:41:58] <javashin> the image looks distorted for some time[16:42:04] <javashin> then it clears[16:42:14] <javashin> looks ugly[16:42:48] <javashin> too ugly for record a video of it booting[16:52:16] <toasterson> no sorry you will have to live with temporary distortion I am afraid[16:52:45] <javashin> no worry[16:52:56] <toasterson> However that phenomenon is not uncommon on current linux distros too[16:54:02] <toasterson> AFAIK it is related to the card keeping the last picture garbage momorized and displaying that before the graphics stack is initialized. I don't know if that is fixable in a driver.[17:00:11] *** bavrogar_ <bavrogar_!~swerth@92.64.244.91> has joined #openindiana[17:01:17] *** bavrogar <bavrogar!~swerth@92.64.244.91> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:39:34] <javashin> never happen here on linux or freebsd or dragonfly[17:39:51] <javashin> openbsd and netbsd are out of the picture[18:03:25] <javashin> toasterson,[18:03:34] <javashin> how i update the cache ?[18:03:35] <popgreen> hmm[18:03:39] <javashin> on the live cd[18:03:54] <popgreen> Oh ?[18:04:08] <javashin> you must update boot archive in the new location from live image?[18:05:14] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:06:22] <popgreen> javashin, I am not certain;which distribution of [openindiana] Are you trying to 'werk' with ?[18:08:40] <javashin> i did last night before the new release got outa installation on qemu and i imported the rpool after upgraded the system on my gentoo extracted all the files from the virtual hd to a new dataset called zroot which is my current zpool zfsonlinux where i have freebsd and gentoo[18:09:10] <javashin> zroot/ROOT/OpenIndiana the loader64.efi can see the pool but dont boot[18:09:37] <javashin> i need to update the zfs cache on openindiana to make it boot and dont reinstall again[18:10:11] <tsoome> so, you want to share the pool between bsd, linux and illumos?[18:11:42] <javashin> im already doing this with linux and freebsd on a zfsonlinux pool[18:12:06] <javashin> before openindiana was not able to read from it[18:12:12] <javashin> yes[18:12:43] <javashin> tsoome, whats the way to enter in the live image and update from rpool to zroot and make it boot ?[18:13:10] <tsoome> at current state, it will not work. you can have it but after every time you visit it with other system, you will need to “rescue” it for illumos.[18:14:08] <tsoome> you will need to boot from illumos boot iso/usb, import the pool to make sure the device names are fixed and then you can have native boot.[18:14:19] <javashin> i cannot set the spl hostid to the same of linux and freebsd ?[18:14:40] <javashin> all the time ?[18:15:00] <tsoome> its not about hostid, its about device paths.[18:15:29] <javashin> so every time i boot other os it will chage the device paths ?[18:16:09] <tsoome> that depends on those systems if they update devid and phys_path properties.[18:16:19] <tsoome> see zdb output.[18:16:55] <javashin> phys_path: 'id1,enc@n3061686369656d30/type@0/slot@5/elmdesc@Slot_04/p5'[18:17:19] <javashin> that is what the bootloader is trying to boot[18:17:29] <javashin> /dev/sda5[18:17:41] <tsoome> exactly.. illumos has no such paths[18:17:50] <javashin> ohhh[18:18:30] <javashin> so im going to import the zroot on the liveimg then export it and then try to boot[18:18:35] <javashin> i will be back[18:18:43] <tsoome> soon enough we will not care, but we do now.[18:18:51] <javashin> ok[18:18:53] <javashin> good[18:18:59] *** javashin <javashin!~javashin@unaffiliated/javashin> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:27:49] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openindiana[18:35:25] <toasterson> javashin (IRC):beadm list and then beadm mount the boot environment you want under /a[18:35:47] <toasterson> i keep forgetting it is irc and not a saved history.....[18:36:08] * toasterson is spoiled by matrix[18:37:54] *** javashin <javashin!~javashin@unaffiliated/javashin> has joined #openindiana[18:37:57] <javashin> no[18:38:12] <javashin> zpool import cannot see my zfsonlinux pool[18:38:20] <javashin> neither the installer[18:38:57] <toasterson> is the disk partitioned?[18:40:16] <javashin> yes[18:40:28] <javashin> gpt[18:40:49] <javashin> the loader can see it and list the files[18:41:30] <toasterson> and there are other partitons on the disk?[18:42:01] <toasterson> you will need to import the correct partition in that case[19:04:20] *** bavrogar_ is now known as bavrogar[19:14:00] *** totalburn <totalburn!dc745688@220.116.86.136> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:28:27] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[19:42:20] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has joined #openindiana[20:02:21] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:02:32] *** mnowak_ <mnowak_!~mnowak_@94.142.238.232> has joined #openindiana[20:02:45] <mnowak_> ops, please, update the topic 2019.04 -> 2019.10[21:57:53] *** alanc changes topic to "Openindiana Hipster Rolling Release snapshot 2019.10, ISOs: http://dlc.openindiana.org/ | Website: http://openindiana.org | Mailing Lists: http://openindiana.org/mailman | Wiki: http://wiki.openindiana.org | Bugs: http://bugs.openindiana.org | IRC Logs: http://echelog.com/?openindiana"[21:58:55] <alanc> really should update the ops to include the current people doing the work, not just us ancient lurkers[22:01:04] *** melliott <melliott!~melliott@speed.ncsa.illinois.edu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[22:09:22] <alanc> also need to get whoever has access to @openindiana on twitter to announce it[22:16:13] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@bidd-pub-03.gwi.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[22:29:01] *** melliott <melliott!~melliott@speed.ncsa.illinois.edu> has joined #openindiana[22:31:37] *** javashin <javashin!~javashin@unaffiliated/javashin> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:45:35] <lopta> Oooh! Things to download.[23:19:10] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-67-253-141-249.rochester.res.rr.com> has joined #openindiana[23:29:53] *** lopta <lopta!~ball@104.201.113.42> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)