November 2, 2019 
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November 2, 2019 [01:19:53] *** Gathis <Gathis!~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis> has joined #openindiana[03:25:01] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc06-o.oracle.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[03:25:52] *** alanc <alanc!~alanc@inet-hqmc01-o.oracle.com> has joined #openindiana[03:25:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[04:30:37] *** Gathis <Gathis!~TheBlack@unaffiliated/gathis> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:30:41] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Quit: Riding the split)[09:35:00] *** leoric <leoric!~alp@pyhalov.cc.rsu.ru> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:19:57] *** AndRAM <AndRAM!~AndRAM@37.223.187.47> has joined #openindiana[10:39:31] *** tsundoku <tsundoku!~tsundoku@irc.tsundoku.ne.jp> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:46:25] *** tsundoku <tsundoku!~tsundoku@irc.tsundoku.ne.jp> has joined #openindiana[12:17:09] *** kikadf <kikadf!~quassel@51B636E1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[12:24:07] *** arnoldoree <arnoldoree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has joined #openindiana[12:24:11] *** ita <ita!~ita@unaffiliated/ita> has quit IRC (Quit: -)[13:55:39] *** ita <ita!~ita@unaffiliated/ita> has joined #openindiana[14:46:19] <ik5pvx> I can't get xterm to behave like I want, is /etc/X11/app-defaults the right place to drop a resource file for it?[14:56:17] <rennj> perhaps ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources rather than system-wide would be better[14:56:46] <ik5pvx> I've tried the local file without success, but I really prefer system wide[14:56:58] <rennj> how to skin a cat[14:57:15] <ik5pvx> and I've just tried /usr/share/X11/app-defauilts withoug success either[14:57:51] <ik5pvx> I had this done in my previous install, can't remember how I did it[15:11:30] <rennj> does it work using xrdb?[15:11:37] <rennj> xrdb -merge << "EOF"[15:11:37] <rennj> xterm*background:Black[15:11:37] <rennj> xterm*foreground:Red[15:11:37] <rennj> EOF[15:11:52] <rennj> xrdb -query see the new values[15:12:01] <rennj> launch new xterm...[15:14:44] *** psarria <psarria!~psarria@26.red-79-146-96.dynamicip.rima-tde.net> has joined #openindiana[15:46:40] *** Kurlon <Kurlon!~Kurlon@cpe-67-253-141-249.rochester.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:04:34] <ik5pvx> let me try[17:05:28] *** khng300 <khng300!~khng300@unaffiliated/khng300> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:05:56] *** kikadf <kikadf!~quassel@BC24A83E.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #openindiana[17:06:14] *** khng300 <khng300!~khng300@unaffiliated/khng300> has joined #openindiana[17:07:41] <ik5pvx> yes, doing it manually like above works... hmm[17:26:40] <rennj> xrdb -remove xterm to undo[17:26:53] <rennj> well something is not working[17:27:00] <ik5pvx> my brainb probably[17:27:03] <ik5pvx> *brain[17:27:27] <ik5pvx> I've so far figured out that my usual stuff in linux is XTerm-color[17:27:35] <ik5pvx> while here I'm loading plain XTerm[17:27:42] <ik5pvx> hence the apparent lack of effect[17:29:06] <ik5pvx> also, strace here is called truss[17:29:15] <ik5pvx> I will never remember this[17:30:32] <rennj> oracle solaris admin collection[17:30:46] <rennj> covers 90% of sunos[17:31:21] <rennj> coure opensolaris/oi/illumnos divergence now[17:31:44] <ik5pvx> ./Xresources/x11-common:*customization: -color[17:31:46] <ik5pvx> HA![17:32:00] <ik5pvx> I've found where Debian does it[17:32:18] <rennj> compare and contrast time[17:32:26] <ik5pvx> I'm almost there[17:32:32] *** arnold_oree <arnold_oree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has joined #openindiana[17:32:38] <rennj> xorg on debian vs xorg on hipster[17:32:57] <rennj> Xsun Xorg Xfree[17:33:07] <rennj> i use juggle bullshit[17:33:16] <ik5pvx> eh?[17:33:55] <rennj> compiling xorg xserver rather than running xsun xserver...back in the day[17:34:05] <ik5pvx> ahh[17:34:13] <rennj> prior to solaris 7 companion cdrom..of opensauce[17:34:46] <ik5pvx> ok there's no global Xresources file in OI[17:40:22] <ik5pvx> even ln behaves differently :([17:40:56] <rennj> https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/MATE+1.18+Desktop[17:42:27] <ik5pvx> doesn't say anything about Xresourrces in that page[17:43:19] <rennj> mate desktop terminal is not xterm[17:43:31] <ik5pvx> not using that, I'm using plain xterm[17:43:52] <rennj> fix you autostart to xrdb merge / source you local ~ Xresources/Xdefaults[17:44:42] <ik5pvx> I'm trying to figure out what loads /etc/X11/Xresources/* in debian, to see if I can do the same here[17:47:39] <ik5pvx> ah, there's provision to load a file from global xinitrc[17:47:55] <rennj> xrdb $HOME/.Xresources[17:47:58] <rennj> real hard[17:48:17] <rennj> gdm doesnt use xinitrc[17:48:31] <ik5pvx> sigh, I have to fix the keymap as well :([18:11:06] <rennj> xev[18:11:41] <rennj> xmodmap[18:12:04] <rennj> wonder how much wayland breaks things[18:12:12] <rennj> last time i tried xinput did not work[18:12:29] <rennj> disable craptop touchpad fail[18:12:39] <ik5pvx> according to acolleague that every now and then tries it, it breaks a lot[18:12:49] <Reinhilde> last i checked wayland doesn't exist on OI but I could be wrong[18:13:16] <rennj> xorg is dead jim[18:13:33] <rennj> maintenance mode unless a fork happens[18:13:37] <rennj> according to redhat[18:18:09] <ik5pvx> compose refuses to work. ooooooook. time to take a break[18:20:10] <rennj> Once we are done with this we expect X.org to go into hard maintenance mode fairly quickly.[18:24:05] <Reinhilde> killing xorg kills unix.[18:24:14] <Reinhilde> this cannot be let to happen[18:24:43] <rennj> heh[18:24:49] <rennj> unix died in the 90's[18:25:03] <rennj> hp-ux irix solaris aix hay day[18:25:16] <rennj> linux amd64 ftw[18:25:25] <Reinhilde> get out of here[18:26:02] <rennj> maybe if opensolaris came out in 1995 rather than $600 solaris 2.5.1 for x86[18:26:23] <rennj> no compiler mind you[18:27:04] <rennj> by 2005 to little to late..for sun...solaris 10 smf,dtrace,zones,zfs..meh..so what...[18:29:09] <rennj> all those college kids running linux[18:29:19] <rennj> future devs[18:29:55] <Reinhilde> you should not be accepted for a unix (even linux) dev job if you have never chiselled away at illumos or bsd[18:33:00] <rennj> what cause of kernel or cause the userland[18:34:00] <rennj> or is it the command line interpreter shell combo..[18:34:22] <rennj> ls pwd grep...well busybox/toybox provide that[18:34:35] <rennj> android phone with busybox[18:36:09] <Reinhilde> rennj: userland[18:36:25] <Reinhilde> you should know how to do userland for all obscure open source unices[18:36:40] <Reinhilde> and you should never accept wayland.[18:36:56] <rennj> you do you, ill do me[18:38:11] <rennj> https://pasteboard.co/IDGe0si.png poor man esxi[18:38:21] <rennj> 398MB ram os[18:38:44] <rennj> https://pasteboard.co/IwuAPBu.png vmware ftw![18:45:11] <rennj> Reinhilde, https://pasteboard.co/HOcDnsS.png does that count as unix[18:48:57] <Reinhilde> rennj: i don't know because I don't click image links[18:49:18] <rennj> opsec?[18:51:26] <Reinhilde> no[18:54:20] <rennj> wayland like systemd will be forced down unless suse,ubuntu,debian fork/dev something else...gnome/freedesktop/redhat lead[18:54:55] <Reinhilde> systemd has already tarnished its forebear's reputation enough...[18:55:01] <rennj> heh[18:55:03] <Reinhilde> (systemd was inspired by smf)[18:55:18] <rennj> yeah yeah..NIH[18:55:37] <ik5pvx> what's smf?[18:55:44] <rennj> systemd[18:55:47] <rennj> hehe[18:55:49] <Reinhilde> ik5pvx: you don't farking know what smf is?[18:56:10] <Reinhilde> it's the system management framework in solaris 9 and 10-based operating systems.[18:56:15] <rennj> in 10[18:56:18] <rennj> not 9[18:56:36] <Reinhilde> well it was made default in 10[18:57:32] <ik5pvx> no I don't barking know. I haven't touched a solaris machine in ages[18:59:59] <rennj> unwashed masses according to Reinhilde[19:00:17] <rennj> you have not heard of this!!![19:00:25] <rennj> you heathen![19:00:40] <Jefe> Hey all, I'm getting "Invalid face" whenever I do org-html-export-to-html on a file I'm currently working on. My eyes are centered and my teeth are straight; what's wrong with my face? :)[19:01:12] <ik5pvx> lol[19:01:22] <ik5pvx> probably face in the sense of fonts?[19:01:39] <Jefe> Yes, 'twas in jest. But I don't know what the problem is.[19:02:08] <Jefe> I suspect I improperly tried to label some code but I don't know where that might be.[19:02:29] *** CaptainTobin <CaptainTobin!~tobin@c-68-38-10-41.hsd1.in.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:02:34] <Jefe> I tried turning on the debugger but it just locked up Emacs and made my load average start going up.[19:02:57] <Jefe> Oh crap, I'm in the wrong channel. Sorry.[19:03:19] <Reinhilde> this is the sun refugee camp support channel ;-)[19:05:03] <Jefe> Yeah, I clicked in #emacs and then I clicked in here and forgot which one was last. This channel is so quiet most of the time I was surprised to see activity.[19:05:54] *** CaptainTobin <CaptainTobin!~tobin@c-68-38-10-41.hsd1.in.comcast.net> has joined #openindiana[19:13:14] *** arnold_oree <arnold_oree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:18:08] <rennj> oracle refugee's[19:18:17] <rennj> larry did this[19:20:30] <Reinhilde> whoever bankrupted sun did this[21:41:03] *** Adura <Adura!~Adura@toroon213mw-lp130-01-67-71-63-157.dsl.bell.ca> has joined #openindiana[21:41:16] *** Adura <Adura!~Adura@toroon213mw-lp130-01-67-71-63-157.dsl.bell.ca> has left #openindiana[23:14:38] *** arnoldoree <arnoldoree!~arnoldore@ranoldoree.plus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:41:06] *** AndRAM <AndRAM!~AndRAM@37.223.187.47> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)