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[08:06:15] <leoric> Old Intel and old Nvidia...
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[08:12:42] <leoric> Old means https://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Intel+KMS+driver
[08:13:33] <leoric> Old means something <= Haswell
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[15:00:08] <dgtlcmo> hi folks - has development picked up now that oracle has canned solaris?
[15:00:35] <dgtlcmo> i'm using linux lately and how much I miss Solaris, much more stable!
[15:03:16] <tsoome> you can still use solaris.
[15:04:35] <dgtlcmo> does it allow free download
[15:05:20] <tsoome> of course it does. the terms for use is different thing, however.
[15:05:47] <dgtlcmo> do you know the basic terms. does it allow me to use it commercially or do i need another license?
[15:06:19] <dgtlcmo> OTN license says you may not use programs for your own business purposes
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[15:06:52] <tsoome> of course you have to pay unless you use oracle’s hw.
[15:07:00] <dgtlcmo> or for any commercial production purposes. so basically, it like you can use it for research and thats it
[15:07:18] <dgtlcmo> You may not:
[15:07:37] <tsoome> yep:)
[15:08:23] <dgtlcmo> yeah bummer.
[15:08:47] <dgtlcmo> it seems with open indiana you can use it for business purposes.
[15:09:04] <tsoome> yep.
[15:10:21] <dgtlcmo> there's only the topic of releasing certain source changes back.
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[15:26:56] <dgtlcmo> how's the level of development of openindiana now that oracle has appeared to abandon solaris?
[15:27:57] <tsoome> oracle has appeared to abandon solaris?
[15:28:25] <tsoome> you can download it, you can buy the support, how did they abandon it exactly?
[15:29:03] <andyf> I still have many customers in the UK who are still deploying Solaris machines
[15:30:53] <dgtlcmo> development wise
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[15:31:06] <dgtlcmo> how many engineers could they possibly have working on it now
[15:31:29] <dgtlcmo> it takes like a couple hundred just to fix bugs
[15:32:06] <tsoome> well, for headcount you need to ask oracle:D
[15:32:16] <dgtlcmo> andyf: ppl deploy solaris because it's stable and well written
[15:32:48] <tsoome> (I’d seriously argue about stability and being well written:P)
[15:32:51] <dgtlcmo> it's missing alot of new features linux has but if I were someone concerned about security, i would never use linux. who has had their hands in it
[15:33:20] <dgtlcmo> tsoome: i think it's fairly well written. i have seen it used in many mission critical environments that linux would not be able to address
[15:38:35] <tsoome> it is engineered better. at least in some areas, that is.
[15:41:17] <andyf> I will save Linux for running on my TV etc.. not on production servers
[15:41:47] <tsoome> andyf: my home cinema system is running linux, it can not do even that.
[15:42:07] <andyf> I run illumos distributions for a lot of production things, just some customers require the commercial backing/support etc. from Oracle
[15:42:10] <tsoome> every now and then I have to unplug it from wall to get it running
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[16:12:48] <dgtlcmo> zfs is a great filesystem and i do not think the linux version has many of solaris enhancements over the years
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[17:40:57] <alanc> dgtlcmo: Oracle still has a couple hundred engineers working on Solaris
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[18:16:32] <dgtlcmo> alanc: thats good, i hope someone buys it from them and actually puts more investment into it
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