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[05:15:57] <ball> I don't know ZFS. If I were building an experimental OpenIndiana box out of scrap parts that I have laying around, would I need one disk for the OS and then two more for the (ZFS equivalent of a) RAID-1 mirror?
[05:16:16] <ball> ...or can I boot from the mirror?
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[05:35:46] <Eamon> Do you even need a mirror?
[05:36:59] <ball> Eamon: That's how I normally operate and I'd like to learn how to do it in OpenIndiana
[05:37:24] <ball> (saves me reaching for the backup tape when a disk fails)
[05:38:05] <Eamon> I think it's the same way you'd've done it in OpenSolaris 10
[05:38:19] * ball <- Hasn't used OpenSolaris
[05:38:24] <Eamon> But I'm no help... I've always been a BSDer.
[05:38:30] <Eamon> I use ZFS, but not on mirrors.
[05:38:39] <Eamon> And no, I don't keep backups. Tape or otherwise.
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[05:39:28] * ball <- BSDer
[05:39:50] <Eamon> Free, Open, Dragonfly or Net?
[05:40:08] <ball> NetBSD.  Usually my mirrors are provided courtesy of raidframe.
[05:41:37] <Eamon> I think it's just two disks for the mirror, but don't quote me.
[05:41:45] <ball> Thanks
[05:41:49] <Eamon> I repeat: Don't quote me. You might need a 3rd disk.
[05:41:54] <Eamon> Especially if you're using UEFI.
[05:42:13] <Eamon> something something loader
[05:42:30] <Eamon> why is it that OI and FBSD have similar-looking loaders?
[05:45:41] <ball> Eamon: I don't know FreeBSD's loader but perhaps they use the same one.
[05:45:50] <ball> (or are based on a common ancestor)
[05:46:00] <ball> Thinking about it, I bet that's Allan's work.
[05:46:09] <ball> ...if they both have to be able to boot from a ZFS pool
[05:51:36] <Eamon> ball: they do both need to be able to boot ZFS
[05:52:09] * ball nods
[05:52:25] <ball> I just asked him over in #freebsd but it's quite possible he's not near the keyboard.
[05:52:40] <Eamon> likely
[05:52:47] <Eamon> There's certainly a common ancestor there
[05:52:51] <Eamon> but they also have the same bootloader theme
[05:54:37] * ball isn't used to bootloaders with themes ;-)
[05:55:22] <Eamon> OI has an ascii art openindiana logo, and in the same place, FBSD has the devil's head.
[05:55:31] <Eamon> And they both state the name of the OS in the top left corner
[05:55:59] <Eamon> and they have the same boot options: multiple-user, single-user, something something bootloader prompt, something something next hard drive
[05:58:06] <ball> (daemon's head)
[05:58:16] <ball> ...I wonder whether that's grub.
[05:58:19] <Eamon> Nope
[05:58:21] <Eamon> Not grub
[05:58:38] <Eamon> (although I specifically chainload FreeBSD through Grub because that's easier for me)
[05:58:44] <Eamon> (well no I direct load freebsd)
[05:58:45] <ball> Ah ok.
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[06:42:19] <ball> hello mnowak__
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[06:50:02] <mnowak__> Hi ball
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[06:54:33] <Eamon> do you know what the technical prohibition is on cross compiling gate?
[06:54:51] <ball> What is a gate?
[06:57:06] <Eamon> never mind me
[06:58:34] <mnowak__> I think of gate as a common source of truth when it comes to sources of illumos
[06:58:53] <mnowak__> surely it has some Sun-related meaning
[06:59:37] <Eamon> yeah
[07:00:26] <Eamon> here's the thing. i kinda want to cross compile illumos (same arch, different Unix fork). What stops me from doing that? I know there's big red XXX saying "Don't do it don't do it danger will robinson danger"
[07:00:29] <Eamon> but like
[07:00:47] <Eamon> with how I'll install it, I'm already living well over the edge
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[07:41:42] <alanc> "gate" is just a left over term for the source repos, from before "repository" became the industry standard
[07:42:23] <alanc> as for cross-compiling, I don't think there is any technical prohibition, just tons of work that no one has ever felt the need to do to implement it
[07:42:57] <alanc> like modifying thousands of makefiles to pass the right flags for a different architecture than the host system
[07:44:01] <ball> hello alanc!
[07:44:26] <alanc> or to find all the needed dependencies in a different directory, instead of /usr/include, /usr/lib, etc.
[07:44:39] <alanc> hey ball
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[07:54:12] <Eamon> alanc: the arch is the same
[07:54:20] <Eamon> just not the unix type
[07:58:14] <ball> This might be an embarrassing question but would OpenIndiana work on a Core 2 Duo?
[07:58:33] <ball> I could build one of those for about US$ 100
[08:00:11] <Eamon> x86-64
[08:00:15] <Eamon> c2d is x86-64
[08:03:01] <tsoome> most likely
[08:03:40] <tsoome> the actual question is more about peripherial devices
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[08:10:39] <ball> tsoome: Looks like Intel G41 Northbridge and ICH7.  Probably Intel NIC.
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[08:11:13] <ball> Realtek RTL8111GR.  Is that just the phy?
[08:11:19] <ball> brb, baby's crying.
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[08:41:12] <ball> It strikes me I'll need more RAM, for ZFS.
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[08:50:23] <ball> I'll have to look for some 4G DDR3-1333 DIMMs.
[08:56:34] <ball> If I can't find them, then I'm at the price of a NUC.
[08:56:53] <ball> ...which wouldn't have mirrored drives but would be faster and a lot more portable.
[09:00:30] <Ellenor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VD7_j8KY3w
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[09:24:29] <ball> I should go to bed.
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[09:36:02] <tsoome> its 1035am here:P
[09:36:23] <Ellenor> BarrOff[m]: I run sucessfully on barely any RAM
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[17:23:44] <lopta> Is Hipster 2017.10 the most recent release of OpenIndiana?
[17:24:07] <lopta> Aha, it's in the topic!
[17:25:17] * lopta downloads it.
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