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[05:49:23] <mbnt> Hi, if I take this class, will it be useful for me to work with OpenIndiana? https://pastebin.com/NAP93pcQ
[05:49:41] <mbnt> Like, will it help me work with openindiana
[05:51:47] <patdk-lap> well, you need to know c
[05:51:55] <patdk-lap> c++, c# and visual basic no
[05:52:04] <mbnt> It shows there is a windows aspect to the course, which does not interest me, but maybe some of the underlying stuff I can apply
[05:52:07] <patdk-lap> and the whole thing looks geared to only knowing visual xxx
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[05:52:22] <mbnt> So a small segment is OI related
[05:52:32] <patdk-lap> not related
[05:52:42] <mbnt> well, useful to OI
[05:52:49] <patdk-lap> but will supply a minimal amount of code understanding that is a basic requirement
[05:53:06] <patdk-lap> have you never programmed anything before?
[05:53:28] <mbnt> Well, does shitty web dev count?
[05:53:35] <patdk-lap> sure
[05:53:35] <mbnt> Shitty javascript?
[05:53:53] <mbnt> I use emacs is a shitty way
[05:53:59] <patdk-lap> all you need to do is understand functions, procedures, maybe even variable types and arrays
[05:54:20] <patdk-lap> after you get that, I personally find changing between languages to be simple
[05:54:27] <patdk-lap> for the most part they are alike
[05:54:32] <mbnt> I am reading some opensolaris books and they say to use VI
[05:54:46] <patdk-lap> the editor of choice is yours
[05:54:53] <patdk-lap> I use wordstar
[05:55:05] <patdk-lap> mainly cause I learned those shortcuts so long ago
[05:55:13] <patdk-lap> but do use vi often
[05:55:41] <mbnt> patdk-lap, I just looked up wordstar...whoah...
[05:55:51] <mbnt> that's uhhh, not very new
[05:55:56] <mbnt> ahahhaah
[05:55:58] <patdk-lap> neither is vi
[05:56:00] <patdk-lap> or emacs
[05:56:06] <mbnt> not that it matters
[05:56:13] <mbnt> Yeah, emacs is old
[05:56:23] <mbnt> I am reading this book, hold on a sec
[05:56:33] <patdk-lap> the first editor I used was wordstar, coding asm and then c
[05:56:44] <patdk-lap> before that, it wasn't evne an editor, doing basic and machine lang
[05:57:21] <mbnt> Cyberpunk Outlaws and Hackers, and it has the story of Karl Koch in it
[05:57:24] <patdk-lap> broke down to doing machine lang cuase basic is slow, and I didn't have any compilers or anything else
[05:57:30] <mbnt> And they used emcas in the mid 80's
[05:57:35] <mbnt> emacs
[05:57:49] <mbnt> I am not a hacker, nor do I care to be, but the story is interesting
[05:58:32] <mbnt> I want to work with OI on a deeper level and try to understand it
[05:58:41] <mbnt> So I figure maybe taking that class might help
[05:58:57] <mbnt> I know very litt;e
[05:59:01] <mbnt> little
[05:59:38] <mbnt> patdk-lap, So you used Solaris back in the day?
[06:00:12] <patdk-lap> not before 2011
[06:00:30] <mbnt> patdk-lap, Ahh, they opensourced it around then
[06:00:45] <mbnt> well a few years earlier
[06:01:00] <mbnt> Toshiba even had a line of opensolaris laptops
[06:07:15] <mbnt> So what's a good book to get into OI, besides the solaris books?
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[11:13:19] <hotaronohanako> this things is pretty annoying
[11:13:40] <hotaronohanako> why that guy is flooding this channel ?
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[13:50:41] <rennj> the people that like to vandalize the public park
[13:50:47] <rennj> no diff
[13:51:52] <rennj> Tragedy of the commons stuff
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[15:17:52] <tomhsiung> Hello
[15:17:55] <tomhsiung> WOW!
[15:18:13] <tomhsiung> I just installed OpenIndiana
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[15:20:26] <tomhsiung> It's good and by default it has a desktop GUI. Now I want to enable some services.
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[15:23:19] <tomhsiung_> Wow
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[15:26:29] <tomhsiung-iphone> Any people?
[15:28:13] <zar> probably
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[15:28:23] <ptribble> Plenty of people, most of them working or having lunch I guess :-)
[15:28:28] <tomhsiung> Thanks God
[15:28:39] <alarcher> at work now yup
[15:28:50] <tomhsiung> And I want to introduce myself a bit.
[15:29:12] <alarcher> :)
[15:30:06] <tomhsiung> I'm a heathcare pharmacist in China and I am a clinical pharmacy specialist. My expertise include hematology, critical care, and infectious disease. I love computer and network technology, now I spent a lot to built home network system.
[15:31:38] <alarcher> tomhsiung: Welcome! :)
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[15:34:12] <alarcher> tomhsiung: I use/work mainly on OpenIndiana for fun, but it is also my main platform for my developments. I am a researcher in applied math/scientific computing, French but living in Norway.
[15:34:44] <tomhsiung> And I am seeking a best server system. I have used FreeBSD a little bit but it lacks many feature that Solaris has (built-in).
[15:35:47] <tomhsiung> I think Unix is the best operation system for server. However, Oracle Solaris has been dead. So I switched to OpenIndiana.
[15:36:39] <tomhsiung> Compared with FreeBSD, some open-source package, for instance transmission-daemon, are not available for Solaris.
[15:36:52] <alarcher> tomhsiung: most people here are based in Europe, so if the difference of time zone is an issue you can subscribe to the oi-dev mailing list: https://openindiana.org/mailman/listinfo
[15:37:17] <tomhsiung> Another important package I need is the Plex Media Server, which could be used to stream video.
[15:37:38] <tomhsiung> I stayed late in night, dude.
[15:38:24] <alarcher> tomhsiung: packages are added to the repository based on people's interest so if you need something and it can be easily ported, I can help.
[15:39:31] <alarcher> I figured :) that's why I suggested interacting by email if you do not need a reply right away, more people read the mailing list :)
[15:39:33] <tomhsiung> Luckily, there is a transmission desktop package, which I installed today. And it could be used to replace transmission-daemon. However, I have not know how to enable the open at login function of that software.
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[15:49:35] <tomhsiung> I am learning how to use the Mailman
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[16:04:00] <tomhsiung> So, may I know how to set up OpenIndiana as a video streaming server?
[16:05:30] <patdk-lap> no
[16:06:12] <patdk-lap> question is too broad
[16:06:23] <patdk-lap> live? recorded? what streaming format? ....
[16:07:21] <tomhsiung> Well, I stored pre-downloaded vide files on the second disk of the OpenIndiana. Other host (client) use their video client to watch these stored video.
[16:07:30] <tomww> tomhsiung: there is "mediatomb" in the sfe.opencsw.org extra repositoriy. And there is VLC.
[16:07:41] <tomhsiung> It's for local area network (home).
[16:07:45] <patdk-lap> ya, you have like unlimited options for that
[16:08:07] <patdk-lap> samba, nfs, http, dlma, ...
[16:08:18] <patdk-lap> you just have to figure out what you want to watch them with
[16:08:21] <tomww> and if VLC is the client, then you could use regular apache 2.4 to serve files by http
[16:08:23] <patdk-lap> what it supports reading them via
[16:08:26] <tomhsiung> Previously, I set up my video streaming server by Plex Media Server, installed on FreeBSD.
[16:08:31] <patdk-lap> and add to openindiana
[16:08:38] <tomhsiung> Well
[16:09:32] <alarcher> I thought that xenol looked at transmission-daemon...
[16:09:33] <alarcher> hmm
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[16:19:23] <tomhsiung> I think I would prefer the VLC based streaming system.
[16:20:56] <xenol> alarcher: ?
[16:21:24] <alarcher> xenol: were you the one playing with transmission-daemon or was it somebody else?
[16:21:33] <xenol> I wanted, didn't do
[16:21:43] <xenol> but I wanted to do that last year or so :)
[16:22:05] <alarcher> ok, for some reason your name popped in my mind
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[16:22:33] <xenol> tomhsiung: just the fact that transmission-daemon is not a separate package, does not mean it's not in the repository
[16:23:08] <alarcher> usr/bin/transmission-daemon
[16:23:09] <alarcher> right
[16:24:36] <alarcher> xenol: yesterday I vaguley scripted to get to this https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/3974
[16:24:42] <alarcher> need to check them
[16:25:27] <xenol> huh. beware with that
[16:25:32] <xenol> you will cause mass rebuild
[16:25:38] <xenol> and better to divide into smaller batches
[16:26:32] <alarcher> and I wonder if we could get rid of eog and eog-plugins
[16:26:37] <alarcher> and other old stuff
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[16:30:30] <tomhsiung> The /usr/bin/transmission-daemon is a file. So it is possible to install transmission-daemon?
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[16:48:42] <ptribble> 'pkg install transmission' or 'pkg install desktop/torrent/transmission' ought to do it
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[17:07:04] <tomhsiung> And how to remove additional packages pulled when I installed a specific package. For example, when I installed apache24 package, other additional 8 packages were also installed. In future I deleted the apache24, but the other 8 packages remained. However to delete them?
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[17:37:16] <tomhsiung> Hey, guys. How to configure the native smb service?
[17:37:30] <tomhsiung> I did not find the configure file of native smb.
[17:38:09] <zar> i just let zfs configure the shares
[17:39:15] <tomhsiung> I use ZFS partition, ZFS pool, and now I want to configure native smb. I don't like the default domain of "workgroup".
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[17:50:44] <alarcher> there was a simple tutorial I used for my file server but I need to access my bookmarks on the laptop..
[17:54:59] <alarcher> leoric: do you have any interest in moving MATE to 64-bit at some point?
[17:55:11] <leoric> perhaps
[17:55:22] <leoric> there's dependency issue
[17:55:47] <leoric> I mean, earlier we had 32-bit-only libraries
[17:55:59] <leoric> (especially for GUI things)
[17:56:09] <leoric> don't remember if it's still true
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[18:04:40] <tomhsiung> Why the native smb server service is always offline
[18:06:29] <tomhsiung> I use sudo svcadm enable svc:/network/smb/server to online it but it alway is offline
[18:06:55] <alarcher> you should get an error message if the configuration is invalid I guess
[18:07:50] <alarcher> does svcs -xv return anything?
[18:08:09] <alarcher> this inspects if services are in a failure state
[18:10:09] <tomhsiung> the output by svcs -xv are: svc:/system/idmap:default (Native Identity Mapping Service), svc:/network/smb/client:default (SMB client), and Impact: 1 dependent service is not running:
[18:10:09] <tomhsiung>         svc:/network/smb/server:default
[18:10:25] <tomhsiung> Impact: 1 dependent service is not running:
[18:10:26] <tomhsiung>         svc:/network/smb/server:default
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[18:12:44] <alarcher> you got it then
[18:12:57] <alarcher> can you check the log of idmap?
[18:14:26] <alarcher> leoric: I guess I can delete my gcc-6 repo now, I could use a similar for gcc-7 in the future
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[18:17:44] <tomhsiung> 1.where is the log file, 2.I enabled idmap, then I tried to enable smb/server but it still is offline
[18:18:28] <alarcher> the log file is written in the output
[18:19:58] <alarcher> the output tells you that idmap is disabled and that depend services including smb/server are offline are thus not online
[18:20:19] <alarcher> triy svcadm clear idmap just in case this was merely a timing issue
[18:20:29] <tomhsiung> Now I have enabled the idmap service and the idmap service is online now.
[18:20:35] <alarcher> good
[18:21:10] <tomhsiung> svcadm: Instance "svc:/system/idmap:default" is not in a maintenance or degraded state.
[18:21:39] <alarcher> :)
[18:21:44] <alarcher> ok
[18:22:00] <tomhsiung> I know
[18:22:20] <tomhsiung> The smb/client service had also been disabled. This is the cause
[18:22:29] <tomhsiung> thank you
[18:22:47] <alarcher> no pb
[18:22:48] <tomhsiung> Now the smb/server service is online.
[18:23:36] <tomhsiung> And after rebooting the server, all these enabled service became disable after restarting.
[18:23:53] <tomhsiung> For example, apache24 was disabled after rebooting.
[18:25:15] <tomhsiung> I have to sleep now.
[18:25:16] <alarcher> sorry I am not familiar with these services, I set up my smb server 3 years ago and have not touched the configuration since then so I forgot almost everything about it :S
[18:25:27] <alarcher> good night!
[18:25:37] <alarcher> keep in touch
[18:25:53] <tomhsiung> YEs, how to configure the smb service? Like the workgroup name
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[18:35:48] <tomhsiung-ipad> Hi
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[18:36:06] <tomhsiung-ipad> Hi
[18:36:59] <tomhsiung-ipad> A lot to learn
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[19:05:04] <tsoome> see smbadm
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   February 12, 2018
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