April 29, 2016 
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April 29, 2016 [00:13:12] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[00:14:02] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[00:24:50] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[00:24:51] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[00:27:37] *** ngchk1 has quit IRC[01:11:46] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[01:22:41] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[01:36:42] *** aaro has quit IRC[01:37:54] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[02:57:49] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[03:02:52] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[03:51:36] *** aaro has quit IRC[03:54:29] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[04:07:59] *** aaro has quit IRC[04:11:46] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[04:13:33] *** Meths has quit IRC[04:23:54] *** Meths has joined #openindiana[04:23:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Meths[04:28:45] *** makruger2000 has quit IRC[05:18:05] *** magyar has joined #openindiana[05:43:17] *** ygeLN has quit IRC[05:53:32] *** ygeLN has joined #openindiana[06:03:09] *** dioz has quit IRC[06:03:38] *** dioz has joined #openindiana[06:45:33] *** aaro has quit IRC[06:46:34] *** kohju_ has joined #openindiana[06:47:18] *** kohju has quit IRC[07:06:12] *** merzo has quit IRC[07:12:03] *** FuntDobra has quit IRC[07:26:37] *** simonv has joined #openindiana[07:34:58] *** simonv has quit IRC[07:46:35] *** simonv has joined #openindiana[07:52:59] <simonv> nikolam, hope you read the chat log - the test intel driver hasn't changed anything. I tried drm-kms/gem driver from the wiki, that just crashes while initializing X and reboots.[08:00:00] *** simonv has quit IRC[08:19:13] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:19:22] *** leoric has quit IRC[08:23:47] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[08:47:51] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[08:50:02] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[09:04:20] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[09:25:06] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[09:39:45] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[09:41:02] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[10:01:36] *** ngchk1 has joined #openindiana[10:19:45] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[10:33:18] *** n-wInd0Wz has quit IRC[10:38:08] *** n-wInd0Wz has joined #openindiana[11:02:53] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[11:10:19] *** makruger2000 has joined #openindiana[11:12:09] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[11:12:36] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[11:36:20] *** kohju_ is now known as kohju[11:42:35] *** makruger2000 has quit IRC[11:55:01] *** simonv has joined #openindiana[11:56:52] <simonv> nikolam: I'm back - I tried the test intel driver, no change.[11:57:31] <nikolam> what;s your hardware, btw?[11:57:41] <nikolam> use pastebin for longer info[12:00:16] <simonv> Dell Latitude E6510, first-gen Core i5 w/ integrated HD Graphics (Ironlake) - I'll get you detailed specs in a second[12:13:39] <nikolam> i5s cpu model/number[12:13:50] <nikolam> se we can understand what graphics it has[12:15:57] <simonv> sorry, got caught up with something - Intel(r) Core(tm) i5 M 540 @ 2.53GHz[12:16:11] <simonv> here's the rest: http://pastebin.com/JEV54i4q[12:19:50] <nikolam> simonv, can you left (maybe on private message or mailing list) some of your contact info, so we can continue testing it, there is a good chance it would work if wee keep with it, because it is reported it works well with HD 3000 and with mine G945[12:23:48] <simonv> sure, I also tried the drm-kms/gem driver on the wiki, X starts with garbage and panics causing a restart.[12:23:59] <nikolam> Ken Mays produces testing new Intel graphics drivers (I have put it in: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/amd64/intel_drv.so since it is 64-bit that I got to test, did you put it there?[12:24:30] <nikolam> I tried driver from the wiki and I also get garbled screen on 945M[12:25:25] <simonv> I tried your test driver after looking at the chat log and copied it over, no change[12:26:29] <nikolam> can you send me your e-mail in private message (/msg nickname message) so I can include you in informing on new driver build if any?[12:26:47] <nikolam> You can also choose to paste in mailing list regarding driver testing[12:30:10] <nikolam> Ok, I sent your info to Ken with a mail. Thanks for testing, I hope it would work[12:30:39] <nikolam> I used to use OI with VESA drivers from the begnining of 2015, it was needed because we now have newer X[12:33:09] <simonv> all good. I also ran OI on a Lenovo Edge 11 (Australian DER spec edition) with Celeron U3400 which incidentally uses the same core. Also falls back to VESA with stretched display.[12:33:45] <nikolam> I use 915resolution with VESA to get right resolution[12:33:54] <nikolam> just a sec to get you the info[12:45:11] <nikolam> https://bpaste.net/show/a9ab8724b538 , simonv I' will also try to find original Jonathan Adams patch link he shared, but it's all there.[12:45:33] <nikolam> It would be good to get 915resolution , patched as a package in OI hipster.[12:46:12] <nikolam> patch was described as "ugly hack" but it works for me with VESA and intel 945 for Year and a half.[12:46:16] <nikolam> sorry[12:46:34] <nikolam> Here is the link: https://mega.nz/#F!2UIDlLwa!WPu8AZ172YfmSR3qgHHBrA[12:47:30] <nikolam> I have put my compiled binary in /bin (should be in /usr/bin) and "res" file I use as executable (chmod u+x) to start it on boot to get right resolution.[12:49:38] <nikolam> I use VT console (Ctrl+Alt+F2) to start it upon login to get resolution. Wiki article to enabel VT consoles is here: http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=30802326[12:50:39] <simonv> Yep, got it. Thanks, I'll try it on the Egde 11, only thing that doesn't work is wireless (it's Broadcom).[12:51:29] <nikolam> you can build it yourself, actually, that's the wiser way to get thet binary :P[12:52:39] <nikolam> If it's not on Ctrl+Alt+F7, after gdm restart, it is on F8/VT7[12:53:59] <tsoome> “915resolution is going to be incorporated into the i810 driver from X.org. It should be in an upcoming release. This will void the need to run 915resolution manually. “[12:55:40] <nikolam> So "ugly hacks" are going upstream! hurray! :)[12:55:50] <tsoome> of course this claim is from 2007, so it may not be as obvious....[12:56:14] <tsoome> http://915resolution.mango-lang.org[12:57:13] <nikolam> If I didn't have 915reoslution patched from J. Adams, I probably won't be here or would still be using 20141010[12:58:17] <nikolam> Since it is there from 2007.. maybe we should have it untill that time[12:58:25] <simonv> Ugly hacks, nothing better :D The binary should work on the the live USB? I since installed something else over the Edge 11.[12:58:56] <nikolam> mmm, just restart gdm after it to get right resolution[13:04:51] <tsoome> well, I’d suggest to follw the links from the web and read up, apparently there are quite good chances that all you really need is to create correct xorg.conf. of course thats not as sexy as playing with ugly hacks;)[13:06:03] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[13:14:06] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[13:17:13] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[13:18:17] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[13:19:14] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[13:21:55] <simonv> Just tried the binary, it returns "Intel chipset detected. However 915resolution was unable to determine the chipset type. Chipset Id: 448086[13:29:10] <nikolam> 915resolution -l ?[13:29:25] <simonv> ye[13:29:28] <simonv> yep[13:29:58] <simonv> just ran it on the Dell to confirm[13:30:22] <nikolam> so I choosed one of them to sacrifice and used it's itd to set another resolution[13:32:14] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[13:32:23] <simonv> I meant that it returned the above error message :/[13:33:05] <nikolam> Then we need to ask Jonathan Adams what to do..[13:35:33] <nikolam> In meantime I found original post with 915resolution patch. http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2015-April/003648.html[13:38:03] <nikolam> Maybe you could post on (oi-dev) mailing list, mentioning your tests with new driver and that 915resolution does not recognize it for you[13:40:52] <tsoome> interestingly enough, S11 has hooks to VBIOS setup from kernel gfx_private module.[13:53:14] *** merzo has quit IRC[14:24:07] *** andreasW1 has joined #openindiana[14:31:22] *** simonv has quit IRC[14:40:43] *** simonv has joined 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as ygeLN[16:34:00] *** q66 has joined #openindiana[16:37:16] *** chris2 has joined #openindiana[16:54:34] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:56:56] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[17:01:15] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[17:50:37] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[17:51:03] *** Cenbe has joined #openindiana[17:51:28] <Cenbe> Is there a GUI package manager for hipster?[17:52:39] <jollyd> Cenbe: it has been deprecated upstream with the latest IPS update and needs some work.[17:53:44] <jollyd> Cenbe: the code repository is located here https://github.com/alarcher/packagemanager[17:54:30] <jollyd> it has not ben given the priority considering the work required on oi-userland[17:55:58] <Cenbe> OK thx[17:56:02] *** Cenbe has left #openindiana[17:56:25] <jollyd> that was quick ;)[17:58:29] <jollyd> pfff I would definitely feel more interested in working on packagemanager if it were written in C/C++...[17:58:40] <jollyd> pythonphobia..[17:58:44] <jollyd> :S[18:00:45] <tsoome> I doubt C or even C++ would be good languages for such task.[18:01:11] <jollyd> tsoome: that's why I do not touch it[18:03:32] <jollyd> just a matter of habit[18:03:56] <jollyd> been working on numerical methods implemented in C/C++ for about 10 years[18:04:19] <jollyd> and also some high level python code generator[18:04:51] <jollyd> I must say the most painful part is working with python[18:05:59] <tsoome> obviously C/C++ are very powerful, but it would take quite huge effort to get decent support backend API in C and C++ is having its own issues…[18:06:15] <jollyd> I do not like doing the job that the compiler does for me usually[18:06:30] <jollyd> sure[18:09:32] <jollyd> tsoome: and honestly... when you have python classes just for generating linear algebra code in c++ using python modules wrapping C bindings to Fortran kernels...[18:09:37] <jollyd> you just want to die[18:09:41] <tsoome> :D[18:10:27] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[18:10:28] <tsoome> I have no doubts about that;)[18:11:21] <jollyd> the source of this being pure laziness and confusion between simplification and hiding "complicated" stuff behind 2 abstraction layers in an unsustainable way[18:12:23] <tsoome> but also, lets assume for moment that ruby would be best language for package manager - how many people would be actually able to write and maintain it… ;)[18:13:53] <jollyd> dunno[18:15:42] <jollyd> most people (e.g. because of time requirements) are bound to chose the solution with the lowest entry cost rather than the most sustainable[18:17:49] <tsoome> of course the background of packagemanager is not just having fun with python - its actually whole stack starting from OS installer and ending up with (now dead) packagemanager for end user desktop.[18:18:33] <jollyd> yes[18:19:13] <jollyd> but as much as I'd like to help with packagemanager I cannot justifiy investing time diving into python (tm)[18:23:02] <tsoome> yep. also, what did (and probably in case of orcale) still does, made sense in big corporation, to have team of devs building this one piece in whole puzzle, it really does not work for OI - we dont have such teams...[18:23:37] <jollyd> definitely[18:23:51] <jollyd> we should split in swallowable/maintainable chunks[18:24:32] *** happy-dude has joined #openindiana[18:28:42] <jollyd> tsoome: but for instance with the device driver utility[18:28:57] <jollyd> they wrote a wrapper library in C[18:29:24] <jollyd> + several tools to get output for different classes of devices[18:29:51] <jollyd> then call them from python and copy the output then parse it[18:30:00] <tsoome> yes, most people can still deal with C;)[18:30:10] <jollyd> just for iterating over the tree given by libdevinfo[18:30:21] <jollyd> this does not make sense[18:30:22] <tsoome> even if the string management in C is pure pain:P[18:30:33] <jollyd> then use C++[18:30:53] <jollyd> and piggy back on the C library[18:31:39] <jollyd> but writing a wrapper library for another C library + command line tools + python code to parse output just to do what the original library did[18:31:45] <jollyd> come on...[18:31:50] <tsoome> thats silly[18:33:15] <tsoome> well, tbh, i havent really looked into device driver utility.[18:34:08] <tsoome> also I suspect many of those things were just sketched down fast to get something done and are left alone since.[18:34:29] <jollyd> possibly[18:35:10] <tsoome> I still sort of recall the talk about rapid prototyping IPS in python to be optimised/rewritten later;)[18:35:18] <jollyd> well ...[18:35:33] <jollyd> I looked at the sat code in ips[18:35:48] <jollyd> it reminded me how bad I dislike python[18:35:54] <jollyd> +ly[18:36:07] <jollyd> or not[18:36:10] <jollyd> well[18:36:25] <jollyd> I can rewrite ddu in c/c++[18:36:42] <jollyd> but I do not know how people feel about c++[18:36:58] <tsoome> C would be definitely preferred[18:37:11] <tsoome> because all of those compatibility issues[18:37:50] <jollyd> even plain c++98 ?[18:38:24] <tsoome> well, we have gcc…[18:39:22] <jollyd> tsoome: you know if you use plain c++ 98 and avoid some catches related to Roguewave's STL sun studio has no issue[18:39:51] <jollyd> like avoid const keys in maps, do not use insert with some iterators[18:39:53] <tsoome> yes, but we can not relay on studio for long[18:40:15] <tsoome> rely*[18:40:16] *** patdk-wk_ has quit IRC[18:40:19] <jollyd> what I meant is that even back then it was easy to write portable code[18:42:05] <tsoome> altho with tools like ddu, it should not be an issue really as its mainly tool for live image and thats it.[18:43:12] <tsoome> once you have system installed and up, you probably wont touch ddu ever again;)[18:43:20] <jollyd> one issue with these guis is that glade was deprecated[18:43:58] <jollyd> and there was no overlap between deprecation and introduction of the new format[18:44:17] <jollyd> so one needs to skim through all that crap[18:45:14] <jollyd> mahaha OI make it into the distrowatch top 10 for the week[18:45:16] <jollyd> 1 week: 9 (1,065)[18:45:22] <jollyd> made[18:46:33] <nikolam> May be my call for visiting distrowatch maybe helped a bit :P[18:46:51] <nikolam> Distrowatch rang them per page visits[18:48:02] <jollyd> yup[18:53:13] *** patdk-wk_ has joined #openindiana[18:55:40] <jollyd> nikolam: very good[20:50:15] *** alanc has quit IRC[20:52:59] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[20:52:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[21:00:54] *** alanc has quit IRC[21:01:01] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[21:01:02] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[21:10:03] *** makruger2000 has joined #openindiana[21:21:13] *** patdk-wk_ has quit IRC[21:25:07] *** irker761 has joined #openindiana[21:25:07] <irker761> spec-files-extra [6290] tom68 SFEcppunit-gpp.spec: relocate to /usr/g++, use gcc/g++; SFEgsslib.spec: bump to 0.1.5[21:30:56] <irker761> spec-files-extra [6291] tom68 SFElibmspub.spec: fix linking in -lboost_system (S12) ; SFElibwpd.spec: bump to version 0.10.1 add to LDFLAGS -lboost_system (S12)[21:31:36] <irker761> spec-files-extra [6292] tom68 SFElibreoffice4.spec: add missing patch file libreoffice-03-config-CPUs.patch[21:33:15] <irker761> spec-files-extra [6293] tom68 packagenames.define.initial.inc packagenames.define.allbuilds.inc: handle SFEzlib-pkgconfig for recent builds -> library/zlib contains zlib.pc[21:46:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[21:48:19] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[21:48:33] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[21:49:40] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[22:27:56] <irker761> spec-files-extra [6294] tom68 SFEvlc-2.2.1.spec SFEcairo-gpp.spec SFEgdk-pixbuf-gpp.spec: change (Build)Requires for automake-115 to pnm_macro[22:30:18] <irker761> spec-files-extra [6295] tom68 packagenames.define.initial.inc/allbuilds: handle automake-115 in pnm_macro[22:32:58] *** irker761 has quit IRC[22:49:59] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:09:45] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:11:56] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[23:15:17] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[23:15:32] *** 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