April 26, 2016 
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April 26, 2016 [00:00:38] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[00:01:03] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[00:01:17] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[00:02:01] *** toothe has quit IRC[00:08:30] *** toothe has joined #openindiana[00:14:40] *** Kurlon_ has joined #openindiana[00:17:35] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[00:26:38] *** leoric has quit IRC[00:36:09] *** FuntDobra has quit IRC[00:46:37] *** dioz has quit IRC[00:47:32] *** dioz has joined #openindiana[00:57:47] *** FuntDobra has joined #openindiana[00:59:38] *** freakazoid0223 has left #openindiana[01:15:00] *** toothe has left #openindiana[01:21:26] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[01:32:55] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[01:35:18] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[02:06:25] *** pjama1 has quit IRC[02:06:55] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[02:23:04] *** doug_ndndn has left #openindiana[02:31:39] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[02:43:26] *** doug_ndndn has joined #openindiana[03:02:21] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[03:04:13] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[03:10:51] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[03:10:51] *** saiba has quit IRC[03:46:58] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[04:00:09] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[04:00:09] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[04:10:22] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[04:24:03] *** makruger2000 has quit IRC[04:38:03] *** khfeng has joined #openindiana[04:47:47] *** khfeng has quit IRC[05:30:09] *** nikolam has quit IRC[05:31:56] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[06:05:44] *** nikolam has quit IRC[06:07:27] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[07:37:51] *** predg has joined #openindiana[07:47:41] *** predg has quit IRC[08:04:41] *** fathomstory has joined #openindiana[08:04:57] <fathomstory> Hey, can one dualboot openindiana with linux?[08:06:58] <nikolam> of course, I also once had dual boot on ZFS, using OI's GRUB1[08:07:20] <nikolam> But separate dual boot on partitions/disks is a normal thing[08:07:45] <fathomstory> But what about the bootloader?[08:08:13] <fathomstory> I would use grub2 for linux, but when it comes time for openindiana, what bootloader?[08:08:28] <fathomstory> i tried PCBSD and dualbooting with linux is a pain[08:08:28] <nikolam> It chanloads to another bootloader. You use linux's bootloader and add OI to the list of it (consult distros' docs)[08:08:49] <fathomstory> I did, the distro doc sucks[08:08:54] <fathomstory> It's as clear as mud[08:08:59] <nikolam> I always used OI's bootloader by re-installing it form Live DVD afterwards[08:09:47] <fathomstory> Okay, so install linux first and then use an OI install disc and I can have the option at boot?[08:10:00] *** alanc has quit IRC[08:10:25] <fathomstory> If that is the case I will use Oi and fug the bsd's[08:10:26] <tsoome> if you want to be on safe side, always try to use chainload to load “foreign” operating system.[08:11:10] <nikolam> There's something here: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Triple+booting+Windows,+Linux+and+OpenIndiana+installed+on+the+same+disk[08:11:22] <fathomstory> Fug windows[08:11:28] <fathomstory> Just linux and Oi if possible[08:12:16] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:12:29] <nikolam> I see Ubuntu supports ZFS also now, that might be interesting too (even ZfsOnLinux works for a long time)[08:13:35] <fathomstory> Oh, this looks like a PITA[08:14:17] <nikolam> Whenever I installed OI, it just used to recognize other OS and add it to boot menu[08:14:32] <fathomstory> nikolam, Used to?[08:14:38] <fathomstory> not anymore?[08:15:05] <fathomstory> If the installer will do all this work for me, I'm down[08:15:09] <nikolam> Well, when I install it once, it gets to stick around :) We also use Bot environments to have as much installs one want on same disk..[08:15:18] <nikolam> Boot environments, beadm[08:15:53] <nikolam> You might as well test various combinations with newest other OS systems and report results[08:16:37] <fathomstory> I tried linux and pcbsd, and the guys on the IRC said that the PCBSD installed 'should' detect the other os and have the boot in the entry[08:16:57] <fathomstory> Should, but it did not and I looked it up online and saw all these posts who tried the same thing and failed[08:17:13] <nikolam> We also have newer bootloader in the works, too that will later replace GRUB1[08:17:30] <fathomstory> However, I am hoping maybe OI is in better shape[08:17:56] <fathomstory> How long ago did you dualboot the install?[08:18:01] <nikolam> you gotta see what your use case trutly is. If you want just to try things out, you can do OI+Virtualbox[08:19:01] <nikolam> Well, I had one install in the long time (did zfs send new install to existing pool) and on another machine in the end of 2015 with test ISO, before latest[08:19:50] <nikolam> I think I have them chain loaded but haven't bring up linux for some time, also Windows got recognized[08:20:31] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[08:20:31] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[08:20:54] <fathomstory> I installed opensolaris sometime ago and was surprised at how well it installed[08:21:06] <fathomstory> Nothing much worked, but the install was great[08:21:24] <nikolam> what you expected to work?[08:21:33] <fathomstory> The wifi[08:22:10] <nikolam> Mine wifi use dnot to work, but I added it's PCI code to /etc/driver_aliases and it happily started working with existing driver[08:22:29] <fathomstory> Okay, so you suggest I roll the dice and see if the installer will detect[08:22:37] <nikolam> some hardware is not supported, but one can always join effort in porting and there is compatible ones.[08:22:38] <fathomstory> Maybe I get lucky[08:23:03] <nikolam> If it is not supported, file a bug report :)[08:23:21] <nikolam> Also some producers of hardware would like to know about it :P[08:23:53] <nikolam> Also wifi is cheap and one can get another one etc etc[08:24:15] <fathomstory> At this point, I want a smooth install[08:24:22] <fathomstory> I also own a libre wifi dongle[08:24:30] <fathomstory> So there is wifi insurance[08:24:33] <nikolam> Take a note that illumos wifi support still supports WPA and not WPA2, but I know that WPA2 is in the works (ask on #illumos)[08:27:04] <fathomstory> Is openindiana able to read ext4 file systems?[08:27:14] <fathomstory> Or is that a ways off?[08:30:53] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[08:36:17] <nikolam> we have fuse.. so i suppose it could be possible with ext for FUSE. haven't been reading ext resently, but one can run linux in kvm or VBox[08:36:59] <nikolam> Actually I am just preparing myself to use Linux inside VBox for accessing BTRFS raw disk to transfer data to ZFS.[08:40:02] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[08:53:41] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[09:05:43] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[09:40:19] *** fathomstory has quit IRC[09:49:52] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[10:02:47] *** evans has joined #openindiana[10:19:31] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[10:38:44] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[10:44:34] *** nikolam has quit IRC[10:46:13] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[10:50:59] *** evans has quit IRC[11:02:08] *** ngchk1 has joined #openindiana[11:21:30] *** evans has joined #openindiana[11:22:00] *** tsoome has quit IRC[11:23:30] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[11:24:47] *** makruger2000 has joined #openindiana[11:46:04] *** makruger2000 has quit IRC[12:15:00] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[12:23:56] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[12:24:15] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[13:30:24] *** nikolam has quit IRC[13:37:54] *** MarcelT has quit IRC[13:38:12] *** MarcelT has joined #openindiana[13:42:33] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[13:43:28] <nikolam> I think that hipster is booting much slower now then before, don't know why, system root is compressed[13:44:20] <nikolam> I tested KMS support for intel and on i945 graphics I just got scrambled screen, so no go[13:45:24] <nikolam> Strange thing is that I also got (temporarily?) new BE named Solaris_Something (???) that just makes it reboots and then disappears..??[13:46:19] <nikolam> I tried puting PCI id of my graphics in /etc/driver_aliases and with KMS, it just gaves rebooting.[13:46:37] <nikolam> With same KMS it has be reported working with intel graphics 3000 and some probs with 2000[13:56:05] *** nikolam has quit IRC[14:00:01] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[14:11:47] <xenol> 13:43 < nikolam> I think that hipster is booting much slower now then before, don't know why, system root is compressed[14:12:05] <xenol> could be more specific?[14:12:48] <nikolam> like boot time doubled somehow[14:13:25] <nikolam> since recent updates. Maybe fragmentation but I am open to suggestions how to be more precise in measuring boot process[14:16:00] <tsoome> physical or virtual machine?[14:16:11] <nikolam> my laptop[14:16:30] <tsoome> how full is the disk?[14:17:47] <nikolam> 24G free out of 109G pool. (zpool actually says 30.7G free, but I suppose it didn't update it since recent deletions)[14:20:05] <tsoome> you have 2 significant files to load - kernel and boot archive, kernel is not that large but still it has some size, but it could be the boot archive is fragmented and blocks are not sequential, increasing the read time…[14:21:34] <tsoome> possible that if you can remove more old BE’s and build new boot archive with bootadm update-archive -f, it may help[14:21:46] <nikolam> yeah, could be since this is an update of an update of an update, since 20141010 onwards, but I somehow connected changes in boot time with last 5 updates, somewhere around 201604[14:21:48] <tsoome> notice the -f to force archive generation[14:21:57] <nikolam> ok, will try it[14:23:29] <tsoome> it does not affect boot archive, but in general I’d suggest to set compression=on on rpool/ROOT so the root dataset will inherit it and help to reduce physical disk IO[14:24:25] <tsoome> (if boot_archive is not compressed, it will help it as well)[14:26:20] <nikolam> i have it set compression, it helped a lot[14:26:43] <tsoome> yep, especially noticeable with slow laptop disks...[14:29:34] *** nikolam has quit IRC[14:31:58] *** leoric has joined #openindiana[14:35:29] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[14:38:21] <nikolam> didn't observer much speedup. Might try copying files from one BE to another so that they defragment, and I think that tracker now molesting home dir indexing on every login also adds to subjective slowness (even I complained on it before login)[14:39:31] <nikolam> Or one clean install might set things right (or zfs send of install on existing BE)[14:40:12] <tsoome> ya well, there is also thing about when exactly will you count boot to be completed.[14:41:37] <tsoome> reading in the kernel and archive and starting it is just first phase, once you get kernel copyright line, you know the early kernel startup is running; once you get hostname, you know the kernel startup is done and SMF startup is running…[14:43:38] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[14:47:29] <nikolam> aha so i should disable gdm service to fien measure it[14:57:21] *** Kurlon_ has quit IRC[15:00:15] <nikolam> I also do zfs send with mbuffer over 2 directly connected (with cable) OI gigabit hosts and I see mbuffer getting filled on sending side, that could spell network speed is low[15:00:56] <nikolam> aand mbuffer said "broken pipe"[15:02:02] <nikolam> summary: 1889 MiByte in 4min 06.1sec - average of 7862 KiB/s , over 2 hosts directly connected with cable over gigabit[15:04:28] <nikolam> on one side it is bge0 and on another it is rge0[15:05:45] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[15:06:34] <nikolam> NFS gets up to 20MB/s[15:09:18] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[15:12:27] <nikolam> I just "love" how zfs send/receive spend all time sending something and then at the end they spit out some error , not doing anything at the end. I would like them to do that firstly, not to waste time doing nothing if there is error in issuing commands[15:13:45] <tsoome> you can always store first;) or, verify your actions in smaller scale;)[15:14:15] <tsoome> or actually file bugs;)[15:14:23] <nikolam> yeah yeah[15:14:32] <tsoome> (unless you already did;)[15:14:59] <nikolam> I actually defer form filing too many bugs,as was suggested[15:16:04] <tsoome> depends on bugs obviously[15:18:05] * nikolam thinking of the magic box from the "The Sneakers" movie, that would have "Too many bugs" as a plot instead. ;P[15:29:40] <rambutan> Morning[15:29:42] <rambutan> Raining[15:29:49] <rambutan> oops, wrong channel[15:36:16] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[15:43:53] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:01:18] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[16:05:56] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[16:15:28] *** CME has quit IRC[16:15:36] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:15:57] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[16:25:27] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[16:32:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:35:19] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[16:52:19] *** saiba has joined #openindiana[17:02:29] *** georgn has quit IRC[17:04:06] <leoric> raining...[17:06:04] *** tomocha____ has quit IRC[17:06:53] *** tomocha____ has joined #openindiana[17:07:47] *** georgn has joined #openindiana[17:09:49] *** georgn_ has joined #openindiana[17:12:23] *** georgn has quit IRC[17:19:04] *** alcir has quit IRC[17:20:15] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[17:21:47] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[17:44:27] *** nikolam has quit IRC[18:09:24] *** evans has quit IRC[18:11:52] *** rambutan has quit IRC[18:14:48] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[18:16:19] *** rambutan has joined #openindiana[18:31:35] *** kohju_ has joined #openindiana[18:32:33] *** kohju has quit IRC[18:49:42] *** kohju__ has joined #openindiana[18:50:54] *** kohju_ has quit IRC[18:53:02] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[18:54:56] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[19:12:39] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:15:16] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[19:18:28] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[19:28:09] *** CME has joined #openindiana[19:42:06] *** backjlack_ has quit IRC[19:42:56] *** backjlack has joined #openindiana[19:56:18] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[20:00:46] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[20:06:28] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[20:35:36] <avsej> isn't this file supposed to be 64bit? /usr/perl5/5.22/lib/i86pc-solaris-64int/CORE/libperl.so[20:35:41] <avsej> on my system it is 32bit[20:37:11] <avsej> hm, it came not from oi-userland[20:38:01] <avsej> ah, oi-userland contains only 32bit perl[20:40:08] <tomww> OmniOS built a 64-bit perl[20:40:25] <avsej> is OmniOS 64-bit only already?[20:40:30] <tomww> not really.[20:40:42] <avsej> so it ships both versions of perl?[20:40:43] <tomww> perl is 64-bit[20:40:48] <tomww> no, only 64-bit[20:41:11] <tomww> with perl you only notice 32/64-bit if you have compiled modules[20:41:54] <avsej> I'm preparing claws-mail component, which by default trying to build perl support and succeeds only for 32 bits[20:41:57] <tomww> in sfe I had to make some changes to get the same spec file compile fine on S11/Hipster and on OmniOS[20:42:34] <avsej> in general OmniOS also targets desktops or server-only like SmartOS?[20:42:55] *** saiba_ has joined #openindiana[20:43:14] <tsoome> its all about servers[20:43:26] <avsej> and openindiana too?[20:43:27] <tomww> OmniOS is pure server[20:43:48] *** saiba has quit IRC[20:45:21] <avsej> what differs omnios from smartos then?[20:46:08] <tsoome> smartos is virtualisation platform.[20:46:45] <avsej> omnios for real stuff?[20:47:49] *** evans has joined #openindiana[20:49:18] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[20:59:37] <tsoome> different. omnios is generic server platform.[21:02:33] <tomww> Omnios is more Solaris Server like, SmartOS is first Hypervisor bootet from a RAM-disk, so you do only few things on the global zone.[21:14:16] *** evans has quit IRC[21:16:59] *** makruger2000 has joined #openindiana[21:30:17] *** _Tenchi_ has joined #openindiana[21:36:32] <avsej> how the build system of oi-userland knows which dependencies to install when building on CI for example? on my system it just fails to build if I forget to install the required library[21:39:11] <leoric> it doesn't know, it fails[21:39:33] <leoric> so build server just have almost all packages installed[21:43:13] <avsej> my claws-mail package depends on libetpan which has been merged recently[21:48:59] *** saiba_ has quit IRC[21:55:58] *** Hedonisto has quit IRC[21:56:48] *** copec has quit IRC[21:57:27] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC[21:58:06] *** jnbek has quit IRC[22:03:11] *** copec has joined #openindiana[22:04:29] *** Hedonisto has joined #openindiana[22:05:05] *** IvanR_ has joined #openindiana[22:09:37] *** jnbek has joined #openindiana[22:35:22] <avsej> leoric, so what is you plan regarding git update?[22:52:42] *** evans has joined #openindiana[22:56:07] *** Kurlon_ has joined #openindiana[22:59:33] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[23:01:09] *** Kurlon_ has quit IRC[23:12:33] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[23:13:27] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[23:30:45] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana