April 25, 2016 
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April 25, 2016 [00:01:49] <tsoome> whatever needed. as other distros.[00:04:11] <toothe> how does it compare to, say, FreeBSD.[00:05:43] <tsoome> for that you need to compare yourself:D[00:05:52] <patdk-lap> what does that even mean?[00:11:25] <makruger2000> toothe: There are a number of comparisons out there....for example:http://zfsguru.com/forum/generalchat/34[00:12:21] <makruger2000> OpenIndiana could be used for lots of different things. Desktop, server, and everything in between.[00:12:43] <makruger2000> With Ruby 2.3, it could even make for a good front end web development box.[00:13:51] <makruger2000> See http://www.openindiana.org/documentation/faq/#_what_features_does_openindiana_have[00:14:29] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[00:15:20] *** evans has quit IRC[00:18:41] <patdk-lap> heh, ruby == good can be debated atleast[00:18:46] <patdk-lap> but if you use ruby, sure[00:19:29] <makruger2000> Linux Mint 17.3 doesn't have Ruby 2.3 (at least not without using RVM or something like that).[00:19:57] <makruger2000> I am using it with Awestruct to build a website.[00:30:06] <toothe> I'm on Mint. I can check.[00:31:03] <toothe> so Open Indiana is the genetic relative of Solaris...[00:39:40] <makruger2000> Well....might be more correct to say a derivative of OpenSolaris.[00:40:29] <makruger2000> When Oracle bought Sun and sacked the OpenSolaris project, OpenIndiana was forked from the original source code.[00:41:44] <makruger2000> Could think of it as an open alternative to Solaris 11.3[00:43:07] *** lgtaube has quit IRC[00:43:12] <makruger2000> ** Wordpress ** has been updated in regards to the 1G/2G header issue.[00:43:26] <makruger2000> Looking at the wiki now.[00:43:54] *** dioz has quit IRC[00:45:27] *** dioz has joined #openindiana[00:46:15] *** saiba has joined #openindiana[00:47:42] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[00:48:06] <jollyd> makruger2000: hullo, I think you lost the link to the release notes in the process[00:48:52] <makruger2000> Really? Let me look[00:50:02] <makruger2000> hmm...that's weird. Didn't even touch that line. Let me fix it though.[00:50:47] <jollyd> sometimes when the wysiwyg editor reparses the markup code it loses stuff[00:52:55] *** lgtaube has joined #openindiana[00:53:24] <jollyd> makruger2000: I sent a message to youl earlier about the link update to the 2GB header, you can discard it ;)[00:53:58] <makruger2000> I fixed the missing 256SHA link on the text dvd as well;-)[00:54:10] <makruger2000> All better now[00:54:11] <jollyd> makruger2000: tack så mycket ![01:01:16] <makruger2000> Spoken like a true Swede:P[01:03:23] <jollyd> makruger2000: :P[01:07:20] <jollyd> I am now destroying my desktop setup by installing all the x-S12 packages[01:08:02] * jollyd "This OI install will self-destruct in 10seconds... 10... 9... 8... 7..."[01:16:15] *** aaro has quit IRC[01:17:26] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[01:19:04] <makruger2000> ** Wiki ** updated in regards to 1G/2G issue : http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Installing+OpenIndiana[01:20:24] <makruger2000> jollyd: Does X-S12 mean radeon support?[01:23:36] <alanc> if it does, it didn't get it from S12 (beyond the same base UMS support that's been there forever, no KMS)[01:24:16] *** n-wInd0Wz has joined #openindiana[01:25:02] <n-wInd0Wz> i have some experience with Solaris SPARC device drivers, and writing kernel code/SPARC assembly.. how far away from SPARC support is Illumos/Openindiana?[01:25:57] <n-wInd0Wz> For say, sun4u (Ultra60 or SunFire), or sun4v (Sun Enterprise T5150 or T5250)[01:26:09] <n-wInd0Wz> or even sun4m[01:30:25] *** aaro has quit IRC[01:31:47] <alanc> sun4m, probably years away, as Sun never open sourced any drivers or platform support for those machines, nor any 32-bit SPARC kernel support - you'd have to bring that all over from NetBSD or something[01:32:15] <n-wInd0Wz> alanc: yeah, the source is out there, but it's not open-sourced[01:32:30] <n-wInd0Wz> so probably not a good idea to base any ideas on it[01:32:36] <alanc> for most sun4u & sun4v, it's mostly a build & packaging problem, suffering mainly from not enough people wanting to work on it[01:32:47] <n-wInd0Wz> there're other platforms with sun4m/sun4u/sun4v support (FreeBSD is struggling with sun4v)[01:33:00] <n-wInd0Wz> ah, yeah[01:33:11] <alanc> at least for pre-acquistion sun4v, like T1-T3[01:33:32] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[01:33:37] <n-wInd0Wz> i'd be willing to offer help with kernel/low-level support for hardware I own (several sun4u's and a sun4v T5150)[01:34:00] <n-wInd0Wz> i believe it's 5150, there's also a 5250 model IIRC[01:34:09] <n-wInd0Wz> it's a 1U[01:35:14] <alanc> it's a little harder if you want to use a sun4u as a workstation, since most of those graphics drivers were closed source and only worked with Xsun[01:35:34] <alanc> martin bochnig did a ton of work there to make many of them usable though[01:37:36] <dioz> all i know is sad songs[01:37:46] <dioz> is openindiana default install zfs?[01:39:00] <alanc> yes[01:42:52] <jollyd> alanc: no radeon, just trying out userlandified versions of your gate.[01:43:18] <alanc> meanwhile, I'm busy userlandifying our desktop gate instead[01:44:36] <jollyd> I scripted most of it though... so the bulk work was quick[01:45:47] <alanc> yeah, one of our engineers wrote a spec-file -> Userland Makefile script to help us - I'd expect the X makefiles to be easier, as it's already closer to the Userland style, just with different names[01:46:45] <jollyd> it is quite easy indeed, there is exists an almost one-to-one mapping between variables[01:48:54] <jollyd> for reference https://github.com/alarcher/oi-userland/commits/x11-S12[01:49:45] <jollyd> time to sleep, almost 2am in Norway...[01:49:49] <alanc> if we were starting today, they'd be even more similar, but going back to reduce inconsistency has been stuck at "would be nice when we have time" priority level for a while[01:49:50] <jollyd> bye everyone[01:49:53] <alanc> good night[01:50:43] <jollyd> thx[01:50:58] *** jollyd has quit IRC[02:02:05] <n-wInd0Wz> What's responsible for modloading a module (say, telmod) when telnetd does an ioctl(2) to I_PUSH that module onto an fd?[02:02:55] <n-wInd0Wz> telmod wasn't even a loaded LKM before, but once telnetd handles a connection it is, so ioctl(2) with I_PUSH must do some module loading if the streams module isn't already modload'd[02:03:24] <n-wInd0Wz> Does the Streams Administrative Module do that or is there a userland helper?[02:23:31] <toothe> Does steam work on OpenIndiana?[02:30:05] <n-wInd0Wz> well, they're integral to Solaris/SVR4, but I haven't booted OpenIndiana yet, I'm downloading it[02:33:16] <alanc> streams work on OI, "steam" as in the Valve game system, probably not[02:38:25] <n-wInd0Wz> streams, not steam[02:38:27] <n-wInd0Wz> lol[02:59:07] *** kohju_ is now known as kohju[03:08:59] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[03:27:10] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[03:30:43] *** IvanR_ has quit IRC[03:31:34] *** kohju_ has joined #openindiana[03:32:33] *** kohju has quit IRC[03:35:33] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[03:36:13] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[03:39:27] *** Kurlon_ has joined #openindiana[03:41:36] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[03:42:25] *** kohju_ is now known as kohju[04:23:05] *** saiba has quit IRC[04:23:41] *** makruger2000 has quit IRC[05:02:52] *** tomocha____ has quit IRC[05:04:08] *** tomocha____ has joined #openindiana[05:27:12] *** khfeng has quit IRC[05:52:34] *** aaro has quit IRC[06:41:43] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[08:20:30] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[08:22:49] *** IvanR_ has joined #openindiana[08:32:09] *** aaro has quit IRC[08:38:24] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:00:00] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[09:10:19] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[09:10:45] *** madwizard has joined #openindiana[09:10:45] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o madwizard[09:13:34] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[09:22:33] *** pjama has quit IRC[09:23:35] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[10:05:23] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[10:22:50] *** alanc has quit IRC[10:23:08] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[10:23:08] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[10:30:50] *** evans has joined #openindiana[10:51:36] *** evans` has joined #openindiana[10:52:18] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[10:53:07] *** evans has quit IRC[10:56:17] *** evans`` has joined #openindiana[10:58:01] *** evans` has quit IRC[10:59:19] *** evans`` has quit IRC[11:01:02] *** evans`` has joined #openindiana[11:04:17] *** evans``` has joined #openindiana[11:06:07] *** evans`` has quit IRC[11:10:09] *** tsoome has quit IRC[11:15:38] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[11:22:43] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[11:23:09] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[12:02:00] *** tsoome has quit IRC[12:04:59] <avsej> when I create zone on OI, what is the default root password?[12:06:10] <nikolam> I think ther eis no default root password for OI as a safest thing at general. One can create it if needed.[12:06:33] <nikolam> To use zone as root, one use pfexec zlogin zonename or sudo zlogin zonename[12:06:34] <avsej> okay, but how to log into the zone[12:07:03] <avsej> ah, I see[12:07:11] <avsej> the wiki says to use -C flag[12:07:13] <nikolam> one can also log into zone as an user using zlogin -l username, if user is made inside that zone :P[12:07:40] <nikolam> that is same like console for a hardware machine[12:07:47] <avsej> yes, and there it asks for password[12:08:01] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[12:08:09] <nikolam> yes it doesn' work because root doesn't have password by default[12:08:24] <avsej> yes, and I set it later. thanks[12:08:35] <nikolam> zlogin -C it to see what is going on while zoon is booting, messages, etc[12:09:39] <nikolam> one actually doesn't need it (root password) because RBAC (/etc/user_attr) can be used to set user's right inside zone (and in global zone) to appropriate priviledges, and use "pfexec command"[12:10:20] <nikolam> also if have enough priviledges, one can always to pfexec/sudo zlogin zonename and get root prompt[12:10:39] <nikolam> benefit of not having root account working is.. no one can break into the single root account :)[12:16:42] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[12:45:24] <avsej> should I do anything specific to get dns resolver working inside zone?[12:46:11] <tsoome> usual stuff - network connection, connection to dns servers, resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf.[12:46:35] <avsej> aha, nsswitch[12:47:19] <nikolam> hosts: files dns mdns , ipnodes: files dns mdns is here[12:48:55] <avsej> 'dns mdns' was missing[13:15:03] *** leoric has joined #openindiana[13:16:21] *** predg has joined #openindiana[13:23:12] *** tsoome has quit IRC[13:23:28] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[13:24:46] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[13:27:54] *** pjama has quit IRC[13:28:01] *** ozquera has joined #openindiana[13:31:00] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[13:35:40] *** pjama has quit IRC[13:36:18] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[13:55:30] *** Kurlon_ has quit IRC[14:04:16] *** predg has quit IRC[14:32:18] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[14:33:01] *** predg has joined #openindiana[14:36:24] *** aaro has quit IRC[15:01:11] *** Whoopsie has quit IRC[15:07:23] *** tomww has quit IRC[15:37:35] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[15:37:41] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[15:38:19] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[15:41:21] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:47:30] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[15:47:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[15:55:40] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[16:10:05] *** saiba has joined #openindiana[16:13:29] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:22:32] *** predg has quit IRC[16:37:49] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[17:07:47] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[17:17:51] *** argulp has joined #openindiana[17:18:05] <argulp> Hi[17:18:23] <argulp> Just to advise, it seems there are a little bug with latest iso de OI hipster[17:18:55] <argulp> I can't launcher installer if I choose Spain TZ / Mainland...I need to choose other one (ex: France) and it works[17:23:31] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[17:35:02] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[17:36:11] <jollyd> argulp: hullo, would you be able to file an issue at http://bugs.openindiana.org/ ?[17:37:56] * jollyd plays with Go 1.6.2 on hipster \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/[17:38:40] <jollyd> (coffee break)[17:40:34] <jollyd> avsej: I stand corrected I use git 2.6.1 on hipster: https://github.com/alarcher/oi-userland/commits/git261[17:43:56] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[17:50:33] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[17:51:46] <avsej> jollyd, I will update PR with changes from your branch[17:52:32] <avsej> did you run test suite there?[17:54:49] <argulp> Jollyd, I will try to open a bug myself[17:57:34] <jollyd> avsej: I did and I had some failures ... still do not remember the final argument... was it a false positive of something...[17:57:57] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[17:58:21] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[18:02:11] <avsej> in my PR I added patches to skip failing tests, and all of them seems related to encodings (icelandic and japanese)[18:17:34] *** zadock has joined #openindiana[18:18:54] <saiba> Hi all[18:19:16] <saiba> I'm trying to make my wifi work, and found this: https://www.illumos.org/issues/3367[18:19:35] <saiba> Looks great, but I don't know how to use it[18:20:02] <saiba> Should I download the tarball and patch?[18:20:08] <saiba> or just the patch?[18:20:17] <saiba> I've never done this before[18:20:59] <toothe> ^ Curious how this will be answered, to see the desktop community in action.[18:21:25] <saiba> could someone please point me in the right direction?[18:22:17] <saiba> I'm using the latest hipster (20160421)[18:23:36] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[18:23:37] <jollyd> hmm pity this has not been moved to the Wiki[18:25:04] <jollyd> saiba: lemme look at it in a moment[18:25:29] <saiba> jollyd: thank you![18:33:40] <jollyd> saiba: it seems you need the final 1.3.0 tarball + the 1.3.0 patch. If there is interest this would be a good opportunity to move this information to the Wiki together with the patched source. I will try building the current tarball on current hipster. In the mean time I would advise you to send a message to the ML to get insight from Jean-Pierre André and Ken Mays if more recent source is available.[18:34:54] <saiba> jollyd: great! I'd love to contribute in moving the information to the Wiki[18:35:10] <saiba> I'll message the ML[18:35:45] <avsej> do you also have /usr/local/bin/gpg? I don't remember building and installing it locally[18:35:47] <saiba> I'll definitely get around to doing it today[18:36:10] *** zadock has quit IRC[18:36:20] <avsej> hm, nevermind, maybe i just symlinked it when I was drunk[18:36:21] <jollyd> saiba: such topics are generally discussed on the ML as people are scattered on different TZs[18:36:22] <avsej> :)[18:36:34] <jollyd> avsej: ahaha[18:43:02] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[18:44:34] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[19:19:08] *** saiba has quit IRC[19:19:28] *** saiba has joined #openindiana[19:23:03] *** tomww has quit IRC[19:26:02] <jollyd> Go 1.6.2 please build and test: https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/pull/1902[19:31:11] <avsej> jollyd, does it make sense to put it into golang-1.6 directory, so that later they will be switchable through mediators?[19:31:22] <avsej> when it come to 1.7[19:32:02] <jollyd> avsej: I am following Solaris layout[19:32:31] <jollyd> I makes sense to keep major revisions separate[19:32:39] <jollyd> ABI breakage may happen[19:32:55] <jollyd> don't you think ?[19:33:27] <jollyd> same as gcc when/if c++ abi is changed[19:33:37] <avsej> yes, and this is why thought it is a good idea to put this into versioned directory[19:33:41] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:33:45] <jollyd> default versions is symlinked to /usr[19:34:07] <jollyd> but majors live separately in their own directory[19:34:19] *** evans``` is now known as evans[19:34:48] *** adulteratedjedi has quit IRC[19:35:07] <jollyd> avsej: sorry I misunderstood, I though you were not convince about Go living in /usr/lib/golang/1.6/[19:35:14] <avsej> but your package is developer/golang, isn't it? so it would be harder later[19:35:20] <avsej> i'm about package[19:35:39] <avsej> and mediators, I see that it uses version for files[19:35:39] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[19:36:02] <jollyd> ah right[19:36:26] <jollyd> sure we may put golang-16 one level down[19:36:54] <avsej> yes[19:37:15] <jollyd> I can chang that[19:37:16] <jollyd> =e[19:37:18] <jollyd> +e[19:37:24] <jollyd> you are right[19:37:58] <jollyd> I forgot about categories, the initial component was made some time ago[19:41:19] <jollyd> avsej: I must say I am not convinced by the need of WS_MAKE_RULES, we lived happily with just WS_TOP.[19:42:31] <jollyd> hmm no developer directory yet[19:48:49] <avsej> shouldn't it be under amd64 subdirectory?[19:49:55] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[19:49:56] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[19:49:56] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[19:56:50] <jollyd> avsej: there is no definitive decision about that... since there is only an amd64 version we may symlink and avoid use of isaexec[19:58:22] <jollyd> I'll update my gptfdisk PR as well[19:58:27] <avsej> i see. in relnotes about current snapshot I saw that it is going to be the latest 32bit snapshot[19:59:27] <jollyd> avsej: last time we discussed we decided that if 32 and 64 bit versions are delivered we follow the scheme but we slowly transition to 64 bit only for some parts[20:01:31] <avsej> so, does it mean, that I can prefer BUILD_64 in new components?[20:01:36] <avsej> and omit 32[20:01:53] <avsej> to help transition happen faster[20:02:03] <jollyd> avsej: depends... we should discuss with alp[20:02:08] <jollyd> draw a line[20:07:25] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[20:13:56] <xenol> jollyd: WS_MAKE_RULE vs WS_TOP[20:14:17] <xenol> jim did a huge PR where he converted eveything to make use of one thing and it was WS_MAKE_RULES[20:14:29] <xenol> I am not saying that it is good or bad, but being consistent is important :<[20:14:36] <jollyd> sure[20:14:52] <jollyd> but one PR for such cosmetics is IMHO a bad idea[20:15:22] <jollyd> setting guidelines then updating when the component is touched...[20:16:28] <jollyd> if it were me I would reject the PR[20:17:06] <jollyd> :P[20:17:06] <xenol> 20:15 < jollyd> setting guidelines then updating when the component is touched...[20:17:10] <xenol> that has some logic in it.[20:18:24] <xenol> I was also thinking about doing something like userland-create, which should create new template[20:19:18] <jollyd> xenol: sure[20:19:53] <jollyd> when I started adding components WS_TOP was not even used systematically and 50% of the metadata was put int he manifest[20:20:08] <jollyd> so there is an evolution[20:20:10] <jollyd> :P[20:21:27] <xenol> evolution is nice, but we should do revolution! ;P[20:21:33] <jollyd> but sorry, I will not go through the few dozens of Makefiles of the x11 branch to recommit them with WS_MAKE_RULES, time can be better used[20:22:10] <jollyd> next time they are touched they will be changed[20:23:12] <jollyd> talking about time my coffee break got too extended due to golang business[20:23:19] <jollyd> so I should go bac to real work[20:23:22] <jollyd> +k[20:23:43] <xenol> jollyd: sure, let's use that time to update/fix something[20:23:57] <xenol> this is just a cosmetic thing[20:24:13] <xenol> and we should discuss how and what to put there[20:25:02] <jollyd> xenol: just coming up with some template file as you suggestd would cover most of it[20:25:54] <jollyd> bye ![20:25:57] *** jollyd has quit IRC[20:25:58] <xenol> jollyd: yes, but do you think that you should fields should be pre-filled, e.g. something like userland-create --name golang --version 1.6.2 --project-url golang.org[20:26:01] <xenol> bah[20:26:49] <nikolam> avsej, I previously had some error message starting hexchat about japanese encoding. I'm good with just evolution ;p[20:28:24] <nikolam> about testing components, think about announce test requests on oi-dev ML, including exact version name and public repo you have available, for mirroring exact binary packages. That could make it available for wider audience without needed build environment, but wnating to try them out.[20:30:06] <nikolam> If making your local repo where new packages are publish, proves hard (dynamic IP, ports machine always on etc), something like spinning up per-contributor temporary IPS rpeo for publishing testing packages could be envisioned.[20:31:14] <xenol> nikolam: Definitely, but there are no hipster machines on OI infrastructure, which makes things a little hard[20:32:29] * nikolam about to restart into KMS BE with /etc/driver_aliases including pci1028,1c2 for i945M (I got garbled screen with KMS, so I'll try with it.)[20:33:28] *** nikolam has quit IRC[20:41:46] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[20:43:11] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[20:51:48] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[21:03:42] *** makruger2000 has joined #openindiana[21:09:30] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[21:52:06] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[22:07:52] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[22:13:50] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[22:20:54] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[22:21:11] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[22:24:42] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[22:33:01] *** evans` has joined #openindiana[22:33:20] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[22:34:33] *** evans has quit IRC[22:49:19] *** adulteratedjedi has joined #openindiana[22:52:09] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[22:55:22] *** Kurlon_ has joined #openindiana[22:59:33] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[23:00:13] *** Kurlon_ has quit IRC[23:10:57] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:12:02] *** ozquera has quit IRC[23:12:47] *** evans` has quit IRC[23:14:42] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[23:18:05] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[23:18:53] *** ngchk1 has quit IRC[23:19:10] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[23:22:50] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[23:31:17] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana[23:35:33] *** pjama1 has joined #openindiana[23:35:59] *** pjama has quit IRC[23:40:44] *** argulp has quit IRC[23:53:28] *** Kurlon has quit IRC[23:54:05] *** Kurlon has joined #openindiana