April 23, 2016 
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April 23, 2016 [00:51:00] *** MarcelT has quit IRC[00:51:20] *** MarcelT has joined #openindiana[00:51:49] *** MarcelT has quit IRC[00:52:05] *** MarcelT has joined #openindiana[01:02:06] *** Kelzier_ has joined #openindiana[01:05:39] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[01:42:09] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[02:16:29] *** w4rr30r has joined #openindiana[02:18:03] <w4rr30r> hi[02:18:10] <w4rr30r> someone could tell me what OpenIndiana kernel version 2016.04 ?? I can not find[03:03:03] *** ozmage has joined #openindiana[03:03:54] <ozmage> Hipster 2016.0 have upgrades for the intel drm and driver ?[03:04:19] <ozmage> on the old hipster my system wont boot[03:05:39] <patdk-lap> hmm, openindiana doesn't have a 2016.04 kernel[03:06:02] <makruger2000> w4rr30r: illumos doesn't have a kernel version but rather uses a git commit along with a date. If you SSH into a system, you'll see this.[03:07:07] <ozmage> Hipster 2016.0 have upgrades for the intel drm and driver ?>>??[03:07:39] <w4rr30r> thanks all[03:07:41] <makruger2000> ozmage: I am not sure whether this has been incorporated yet.[03:07:48] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[03:09:09] <makruger2000> Have you tried booting it from the liveCD?[03:12:40] <ozmage> im downloading it[03:50:41] *** w4rr30r has quit IRC[04:27:38] *** ozmage has quit IRC[04:28:36] *** kohju_ has joined #openindiana[04:29:23] *** kohju has quit IRC[05:22:00] *** aaro has quit IRC[05:23:07] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[05:32:16] *** aaro has quit IRC[06:29:42] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[06:43:13] <makruger2000> Noticed the primary download mirror is pretty slow right now. Here is an alternate mirror for ISO/USB downloads: http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/hipster/[06:43:40] <makruger2000> Correction: http://ftp.vim.org/os/openindiana.org/dlc/isos/hipster/[06:49:34] *** kohju__ has joined #openindiana[06:50:59] *** kohju_ has quit IRC[08:02:06] *** makruger2000 has quit IRC[08:22:17] <leoric> we don't have any code for intel drm[08:42:27] *** ozmage has joined #openindiana[08:42:57] <ozmage> hello what is the correct way to dd the usb hipster image ?[08:43:34] <ozmage> i used sudo dd if=OI-hipster-gui-20160421.usb of=/dev/sdb bs=1M[08:43:46] <ozmage> and the usb wont boot ?[08:43:52] <ozmage> any help[08:50:27] <leoric> it's not so simple :) http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Installing+OpenIndiana[08:50:52] <leoric> you should concat it with header[09:01:23] <ozmage> kk[09:12:49] *** ozmage has quit IRC[09:17:53] *** ozmage has joined #openindiana[09:18:05] <ozmage> i make the usb booteable[09:18:15] <ozmage> but dont work[09:18:25] <ozmage> the system boots[09:18:51] <ozmage> i select the keyboard language and i get i/o error[09:19:46] <ozmage> and try to enter in maintenance mode[09:19:52] <ozmage> and dont boot[09:20:17] <ozmage> my usb pendrive is ok[09:20:42] <ozmage> did someone booted the new .usb image today ?[09:20:51] <ozmage> i think is borked[09:21:11] <ozmage> did anyone really test the new release[09:21:50] <ozmage> im doing cat 1G.header OI-hipster-gui-20160421.usb | dd bs=1024k of=/dev/sdb[09:22:01] <ozmage> what else do i need[09:23:39] <ozmage> the oi try to boot but there is some missing libs[09:23:52] <ozmage> and the services cant start[09:24:15] <ozmage> i tryed using jack as user and jack as password[09:24:18] <ozmage> and nothing[09:24:24] <ozmage> no X[09:24:31] <ozmage> no Command line[09:24:52] <ozmage> i tryed to boot to the console only and wont work[09:26:16] <ozmage> why they release untested borked os[09:30:23] <ozmage> cat 1G.header OI-hipster-gui-20160421.usb | dd bs=1024k of=/dev/sdb[09:30:23] <ozmage> 2+12821 records in[09:30:23] <ozmage> 2+12821 records out[09:30:23] <ozmage> 1727114752 bytes (1.7 GB, 1.6 GiB) copied, 390.346 s, 4.4 MB/s[09:35:11] *** ozmage has quit IRC[09:36:41] *** ozmage has joined #openindiana[09:36:57] <ozmage> i copied again[09:37:13] <ozmage> and still the same i/o error[09:37:24] <ozmage> and cant found libcmd[09:37:56] <ozmage> this was a completly wasted of time[09:38:15] <ozmage> download a untested release[09:38:29] <ozmage> better i stay with freebsd[09:40:34] *** kohju___ has joined #openindiana[09:41:24] *** kohju__ has quit IRC[09:41:42] *** leoric has quit IRC[09:41:53] *** troydm has quit IRC[09:48:19] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[10:21:43] *** alanc has quit IRC[10:22:30] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[10:22:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[10:28:37] *** MarcelT has quit IRC[10:31:37] *** aaro has quit IRC[10:33:45] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[10:38:06] *** MarcelT has joined #openindiana[10:39:36] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[10:50:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[10:53:02] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[11:04:51] <nikolam> patdk-lap,[11:25:02] *** kohju____ has joined #openindiana[11:26:30] *** kohju___ has quit IRC[11:43:33] *** kohju_____ has joined #openindiana[11:44:31] *** kohju____ has quit IRC[12:12:40] *** ozmage has quit IRC[12:12:44] *** troydm has joined #openindiana[13:08:32] *** ozmage has joined #openindiana[13:09:10] <ozmage> so no one tested the usb img of io hipster 2016.04 ?[13:09:21] <ozmage> is borked[13:09:37] <ozmage> i wasted my time downloading the img[13:10:41] <tsoome> borked in which way?[13:11:33] <tsoome> the io errors?[13:11:41] <ozmage> yeah[13:11:50] <ozmage> i/o erros[13:12:04] <ozmage> libcmd dont found[13:12:18] <ozmage> and login service cant be loaded[13:12:20] <tsoome> are you sure your usb stick is good?[13:12:25] <ozmage> yes[13:12:48] <ozmage> i downloaded ubuntu lts atm and its boot[13:12:53] <ozmage> and install[13:13:01] <ozmage> so the usb is good[13:13:34] <ozmage> i make the usb booteable twice on different ports[13:13:41] <ozmage> and nothing[13:14:47] <nikolam> list your hardware, ozmage post details on mailing list and report a bug, please[13:15:03] <nikolam> or one of those :P[13:15:37] *** nikolam has quit IRC[13:15:53] <ozmage> but have any of you make a bootable pendrive with the new img and works ?[13:15:54] <tsoome> well, the thing is, the data is on image, and if you got it to the state the kernel is running and some bits are working already, you can not assume the specific bits in image are broken, so it has to be related to specific hardware itself.[13:16:45] <ozmage> does the image has been tested ?[13:17:01] <ozmage> i can download the iso and burn it[13:17:08] <ozmage> and see if works[13:17:19] <ozmage> before fill a bug report[13:19:00] <tsoome> um, does this usb image still need 1G header?[13:19:42] <tsoome> ah yes[13:19:47] <ozmage> but i have to ask first i dont even know if my video card is supported . on oracle solaris 11.3 i have hardware acceleration and glx on io hipster have solved the problems with intel gfx from the past ?[13:22:23] <ozmage> no one knows ?[13:24:05] <tsoome> no idea, dont have OI desktop setup anywhere but in VM[13:32:28] <tsoome> well, lets see how this box will boot from usb and what its intel gfx will tell us:P[13:34:45] <tsoome> IO error as well.[13:35:11] <tsoome> so indeed, apparently there is issue with usb stick.[13:35:23] *** ozmage has quit IRC[13:36:51] <tsoome> so, lets see what kind of issue it is...[13:54:18] <tsoome> if im correct, its the same 1G header.[13:54:31] <tsoome> at least it seems so[13:56:56] <tsoome> the thing is, gui image is not 1GB, its close to 2GB, so solaris2 fdisk partition defined in 1G header is curring off ~50% of the image, and quite obviously you get IO errors not because of bad stick, but because partition is too small.[13:57:07] <tsoome> but let me check boot first[14:02:15] *** EisNerd has quit IRC[14:02:31] <tsoome> yep *much* better;)[14:03:09] *** EisNerd has joined #openindiana[14:03:55] <tsoome> oh well, he is gone.[14:05:14] <tsoome> anyhow, alp__ the 1G header is breaking the live usb image:P[14:12:01] *** EisNerd has quit IRC[14:14:46] *** makruger2000 has joined #openindiana[15:57:06] *** ozmage has joined #openindiana[15:57:51] <ozmage> does anyone knows if this http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Intel+KMS+driver intel kms is in OI-hipster 2016.04 ?[16:02:32] <ozmage> im still waiting for the iso to download and burn and then boot[16:03:55] <tsoome> ozmage: you were off, I did found whats wrong with your usb[16:04:18] <ozmage> what was ?[16:04:19] <tsoome> I can save you one cd burning;)[16:04:35] <ozmage> i already deleted the .usb[16:04:39] <tsoome> the bloody 1G header can not be used with that image[16:05:23] <tsoome> but I can give you url with wotking image if you want[16:05:27] <tsoome> working*[16:05:27] <ozmage> but i made one usb booteable without the 1g header and wont boot[16:05:47] <tsoome> yes, the 1G image is partition table[16:06:00] <tsoome> 1G header, i meant[16:06:39] <ozmage> the iso download is on 45% and i already bought the blank dvd[16:07:27] <ozmage> but what im really worried about the intel kms[16:07:51] <ozmage> on oracle 11.3 my system booted and glx works and everything[16:07:52] <tsoome> well up to you anyhow. http://80.235.90.220/oi.usb is working image[16:08:14] <tsoome> ful, with partition table, all you need is just to write it to stick[16:08:29] <ozmage> thx anyway[16:09:47] <tsoome> the 1G header has built partition table for 1GB stick image, but OI live is ~2GB, so the 1G partition means ~50% of the image is not readable;)[16:13:03] <makruger2000> tsoome, isn't there a 2G file as well? I recall seeing it somewhere.[16:13:17] <tsoome> im not sure[16:13:58] <makruger2000> Unrelated....there is a torrent available for the GUI ISO. Found it on distrowatch. http://linuxtracker.org/?page=torrents&search=openindiana&category=0&active=0[16:14:31] <tsoome> im not using it myself really - I have updated lofi to build whole image:P[16:14:37] <ozmage> http://svr4.opensxce.org/intelkms_working_testbins/INSTALL.txt is this included on oi hipster 2016 04 ?[16:15:08] <tsoome> not really sure if they got in or not.[16:15:34] <makruger2000> I don't know either.[16:15:52] <makruger2000> Yes, there is a 2G header. See here: http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/[16:16:27] <makruger2000> tsoome, the work you are doing on bootloader, will that make these header files unnecessary?[16:16:45] <tsoome> bootloader has nothing to do with it.[16:17:34] <tsoome> but I do have this one on review: https://www.illumos.org/rb/r/120/[16:18:09] <makruger2000> I personally have had limited success creating OI USB drives with DD (could be I ran into the 1G issue). I ended up creating them in Windows using the old OpenSolaris utility.[16:18:11] <tsoome> to be really honest, download should just provide the header attached images and thats it.[16:19:01] <makruger2000> Yes, having separate boot sectors is a bit of a burden.[16:19:30] <makruger2000> I'll have to do some testing and update the docs about the 1G, 2G issue.[16:20:39] <makruger2000> So you're using usbgen tool. Is that from the distro constructor?[16:21:03] <tsoome> yes, but usbgen is just wrapper script[16:21:18] *** porkotron has quit IRC[16:22:49] <tsoome> the actual issue is that to create an image, you really need to emulate the “disk”, not just block device, so you can write partition table on it and install boot blocks. the thing is, normal partition/bootblock tools use ioctl() interface to get the work done.[16:23:38] *** porkotron has joined #openindiana[16:25:53] *** porkotron has quit IRC[16:26:15] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[16:27:09] *** porkotron has joined #openindiana[16:35:12] *** Kelzier_ has quit IRC[16:36:15] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[17:17:04] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[17:24:30] *** irker209 has joined #openindiana[17:24:31] <irker209> spec-files-extra [6279] tom68 SFEpoppler-gpp.spec poppler.spec: revert/merge changes to fix build on other osdistro then S11[17:43:48] *** AdrianKoshka has joined #openindiana[17:44:01] *** AdrianKoshka has left #openindiana[17:58:41] *** FuntDobra has joined #openindiana[18:03:40] *** aaro has quit IRC[18:05:11] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[18:06:43] *** Toasterson has joined #openindiana[18:14:33] <FuntDobra> hi all[18:14:55] *** ozmage has quit IRC[18:15:01] <FuntDobra> how use aslr ?[18:15:34] <FuntDobra> i`m new[18:15:58] <FuntDobra> trying to understand[18:16:14] <FuntDobra> i`m not found sxadm[18:23:45] <tsoome> oi/illumos does not have aslr yet.[18:24:13] <tsoome> its in oracle solaris 11[18:24:51] <FuntDobra> :([18:25:37] *** AndrewG has joined #openindiana[18:35:52] *** kohju_____ is now known as kohju[18:52:34] *** echelog-2 has joined #openindiana[19:05:26] *** fiddlerwoaroof has quit IRC[20:20:30] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[20:20:40] *** fathomstory has joined #openindiana[20:24:03] <fathomstory> Noticed a new image of OpenIndiana is available, I am curious to try this OS as a desktop platform. Not many programs available though.[20:25:23] <nikolam> more are available by adding /hipster-encumbered and localhostoih (http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoih/)[20:25:47] <fathomstory> There were posts that building programs from source for OI were problematic, but those were early ones. Has that changed since?[20:26:11] <fathomstory> nikolam, Thank you, I may just use that[20:26:36] <fathomstory> I've been itching to try this OS for so long[20:26:55] <fathomstory> That distrowatch post pushed me to obsess[20:29:12] *** irker209 has quit IRC[20:30:04] *** nikolam has quit IRC[20:31:54] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[20:32:46] <nikolam> notice that hipster ISOs are development snapshots, not releases per se. Updating it, gives latest build of illumos kernel and newest packages. see: http://hipster.openindiana.org:8080/[20:33:16] <fathomstory> Hence 'rolling release', right?[20:33:25] <nikolam> contributing is relatively easy to OI hipster, see text on https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/[20:34:05] <nikolam> right[20:34:49] <nikolam> but not sort of 'release' as might one expect. More contributions welcome[20:59:23] *** NaGERST has joined #openindiana[20:59:33] *** Toasterson has quit IRC[21:01:51] <NaGERST> Hi, i was looking at distrowatch and got curious: 1.Nvidia binaries? Yes or no?. 2.Looks like gnome 2.* and i want that, or is the screenshots decieving me. 3.If i blacklist gtk3 can i still use openindiana or would it require that garbage?[21:17:20] <nikolam> One gets Nvidia binaries in[21:18:30] <nikolam> It is updated Gnome2, like it was in Opensolaris, but with updated libraries, etc, sort of syncing with free repo of Solaris11 for open parts, etc[21:19:12] <NaGERST> Is openindiana infected with systemd, gtk3 and pulseaudio?[21:19:58] <nikolam> at times goes, Oi would probably migrate to MATE (will see about that yet), and gtk3 I suppose would be required for newer apps, so would be needed for be there for apps I suppose. We're not quite there yet, so you can send suggestions[21:20:32] <NaGERST> mate can be built with gtk2 still[21:20:44] <nikolam> Pulseaudio is now here, since many apps needed it, firstly Firefox, etc. oracle for some time mainteined non-pulseaudio FF for Solaris 10, but it is neede.[21:20:47] <NaGERST> gtk3 is a disease[21:21:46] <nikolam> You are free to express technical reasoning on oi-dev mailing list and generally discuss on openindiana-discuss mailing list about it. I don't have an opinion currently, maybe some wise works could be said, dunno[21:22:00] <NaGERST> I can live with pulseaudio as long as it is not "required"[21:22:16] <nikolam> if you have soem review/link to share about that, for me to read, that's also good.[21:22:44] <nikolam> I think Firefox requires it now for quite some time. so..[21:22:59] <NaGERST> nikolam: Can you lik me to design documents and project goals?[21:23:05] <NaGERST> link*[21:24:20] <NaGERST> nikolam: I did a benchark run of firefox at gtk2 and gtk3 and rendering was at a loss of 4% using gtk3[21:24:33] <NaGERST> this is replicable on any system[21:24:54] <nikolam> I personally (on oldish machine) have some issues with pulseaudio for implementation differences on illumos ("linuxisms"), because as suggested on illumos, user process can't elevate it's priorities for real-time, for user account limitations, and I get bit stopping of sound during the playback, but my machine is not that young nor fast to says that's only prob.[21:25:32] <nikolam> NaGERST, ah, thats for sharing your finings, a sec[21:26:04] <NaGERST> the bad parts of gtk can easily be found withing the headers[21:26:24] <nikolam> this are OI hipster's "guts": http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Hipster[21:26:52] <NaGERST> interesting[21:27:34] <nikolam> And this is where all fun is http://hipster.openindiana.org:8080/[21:27:36] <NaGERST> I really like qt5 and ncurses. if it can not be done by wither of those i bet the designer is at fault[21:28:10] <nikolam> Text available for fast jump- in on: https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland[21:28:14] <NaGERST> to be fair, i prefer not to start X[21:28:22] <nikolam> :)[21:28:54] <nikolam> One can disable gdm and X for server use with 'svcadm disable gdm' and that's it ;p[21:29:26] <NaGERST> hehetrue, but just deleting xinit will force cli like i want[21:30:03] <NaGERST> i start X when needed, i do not want it as a default.[21:30:54] <nikolam> you can use text install too.[21:31:12] <nikolam> ah ok[21:31:21] *** aaro has quit IRC[21:31:26] <NaGERST> Even my 90 year old mother understand lotus1-2-3 and teapot. X is just confusing. She types 3 words per minuti in X and around 400 words in cli[21:32:23] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[21:33:14] <NaGERST> My relative invented the BESK computer.[21:33:44][21:34:27] <NaGERST> I really like low transfer communication[21:35:37] <NaGERST> Sorry i ran away, i will not bother you again. I have been answered in most points and i find the prtoject interesting.[21:36:00] <NaGERST> If you need C skills, just send me a boogie[21:38:16] <nikolam> I like X apps available when I need them, so I like OI for that :P[21:38:38] <nikolam> NaGERST, youa re most welcome,[21:38:52] <nikolam> come again often and feel free to post something on ML[21:39:30] <nikolam> devs are on #oi-dev[21:41:26] <nikolam> We need support for USB3 :)[21:46:51] <alanc> since OI uses a non-Linux kernel, it's guaranteed to never have systemd, since systemd devs refuse to support any other kernels[21:47:26] <nikolam> :)[21:47:30] <fathomstory> the silver lining[21:47:56] <alanc> of course, that doesn't mean you get sysv init, since it uses SMF instead, from which systemd got many ideas[22:14:27] *** aaro has quit IRC[22:25:51] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:06:24] *** nikolam has quit IRC[23:09:11] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[23:19:01] *** aaro has joined #openindiana[23:51:53] *** nikolam has quit IRC