March 19, 2015 
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March 19, 2015 [00:21:53] *** held has quit IRC[00:38:13] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[00:59:19] *** XenophonF has joined #openindiana[01:10:45] *** CME has quit IRC[01:15:35] *** CME has joined #openindiana[01:26:41] *** freetown2 has joined #openindiana[01:55:01] *** held has joined #openindiana[01:55:02] *** held has joined #openindiana[01:55:56] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[02:01:25] *** phobos has joined #openindiana[02:03:36] *** icecream_ has quit IRC[02:03:56] *** echobinary has joined #openindiana[02:11:35] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[02:13:58] *** myrkraverk has joined #openindiana[02:15:14] *** phobos has quit IRC[02:16:28] *** echobinary1 has joined #openindiana[02:19:40] *** echobinary has quit IRC[02:31:55] *** merzo has quit IRC[02:38:13] *** held has quit IRC[02:56:08] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[02:57:54] *** heyun has joined #openindiana[03:27:22] *** ancoron_ has joined #openindiana[03:29:34] *** held has joined #openindiana[03:29:34] *** held has joined #openindiana[03:31:37] *** ancoron has quit IRC[04:07:41] *** ngchk1 has joined #openindiana[04:25:17] *** sac has joined #openindiana[05:00:11] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[05:05:02] *** spossiba has quit IRC[05:05:12] *** sac has quit IRC[05:05:55] *** spossiba has joined #openindiana[05:33:56] *** phobos has joined #openindiana[05:34:10] *** ashkan has quit IRC[05:35:52] *** ashkan has joined #openindiana[05:36:05] *** alanc has quit IRC[05:36:29] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[05:36:29] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[05:39:36] *** heyun has quit IRC[05:39:46] *** heyun has joined #openindiana[05:54:15] *** basic6 has joined #openindiana[05:57:53] *** basic6_ has quit IRC[06:59:20] <nikolam> On the other hand, getting download statistics, could be maybe tricky with torrents (how to do it?), And if one have stable IP upload to share for 24/7 torrenting, one might as well make also a Http Mirror.[06:59:54] <nikolam> Some sort of registration could be useful, to be included in community automatically, also registering before download and inclusion after.[07:00:09] *** phobos has quit IRC[07:00:43] <nikolam> Just tossing some ideas from my mind, regarding torrents talk from yesterday.[07:03:59] <nikolam> Transimssion is 2.22 in SFE and 1.93-0.151.1.8 and 2.52-2015.0.0.0 in Hipster, that could use upgrading (and testing it before inclusion).[07:07:55] <nikolam> From my experience, transmission can be tricky over time (used to use several versions during linux use), so only using it for some time can display bugs showing.[07:42:34] *** Vutral has quit IRC[07:47:30] *** rfm has quit IRC[07:58:51] *** Seony has quit IRC[08:01:46] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[08:02:46] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[08:08:50] *** Cenbe has joined #openindiana[08:08:57] *** alendelon has joined #openindiana[08:17:37] *** echobinary1 has quit IRC[08:19:05] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[08:20:51] *** tsoome has quit IRC[08:47:31] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[09:14:06] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[09:29:42] *** merzo has quit IRC[09:45:32] *** Seemone has joined #openindiana[09:46:18] *** ashkan has quit IRC[09:49:13] *** ashkan has joined #openindiana[10:06:33] *** Cust0sL1men has joined #openindiana[10:32:27] *** kohju has quit IRC[10:34:24] *** kohju has joined #openindiana[10:46:07] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[11:02:21] *** ajcrowe has joined #openindiana[11:04:13] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[11:04:45] <tomww> transmission is at 2.60 in the spec-files-extra repository, and so on sfe.opencsw.org (:[11:06:47] <tomww> the OI sfe repo is a bit old and not maintained. sfe.opencsw.org is only a kind of release management away to replace the OI sfe repo (for oi151a8 or oi151a9). that would be testing packages in /localhostoi151a8 and then a publish script/pkgmogrify to make up /sfeoi151a8 or something as official repo.[11:08:20] <tomww> I think of a small number of people testing packages and putting the good ones on a list, take notes of potential errors, I can then do the push to the official repo.[11:08:20] *** heyun has quit IRC[11:08:31] *** heyun has joined #openindiana[11:14:54] <nikolam> Maybe I could test some, 'cause I keep a7,a8 and a9 BEs. There was just breakage in GNOME dektop on 151a8, and using Flash, etc. I remember there was separate GNOME repo that could be added to /dev, from where packages were pulled in Hipster, maybe that could be included in next /dev[11:17:06] <nikolam> Only problem with a7 I had was lack of languages input other then english and I remember updating from it to some Hipster long ago, so that might be starting point for seeing updating /dev[11:24:19] *** heyun has quit IRC[11:35:56] *** Seony has quit IRC[11:41:39] *** nikolam has quit IRC[12:01:45] *** held has quit IRC[12:19:25] *** held has joined #openindiana[12:19:25] *** held has joined #openindiana[12:38:43] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[12:52:23] *** alendelon has quit IRC[12:55:48] <tomww> Okay. the system I compile on is currently oi151a8, just the plain install. soon I'll try compiling on hipster, but currently other projects take all my spare time.[13:00:22] *** echobinary has joined #openindiana[13:09:58] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[13:13:10] *** BobLu has quit IRC[13:14:19] <tomww> so a first start with kind of an "acceptance test" for packages would be to simply try one or two stacks of software.[13:15:05] <tomww> stack would be w.g. installing vnc and its dependencies, another stack would be just installing dovecot and postfix with a primitive configuration.[13:16:01] <tomww> those two stacks would then be the first candidates to propagate (pkgmogrify) them to a official repo e.g. sfe-oi151a8[13:16:30] <tomww> that way we can learn how the process can look like and after that look for automating this.[13:16:54] *** held has quit IRC[13:23:15] <nikolam> ok tomww , it's http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoi151a8 , let me reboot.[13:23:37] *** vados_ has joined #openindiana[13:23:43] *** held has joined #openindiana[13:26:53] *** nikolam has quit IRC[13:34:16] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[13:35:32] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[13:38:39] <tomww> yes[13:41:03] <tomww> vlc is there, so that would be a funny testing candidate. mind, there are lots of old versions in that repo too, so might be a non-IPS name and an IPS name, that later one is usually the younger packet.[13:41:46] <tomww> the autobuild machine spools the whole local repo to sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoi151a8 after a build-run[13:41:51] * tomww lunch[13:42:58] *** XenophonF has quit IRC[13:45:20] <patdk-wk> hmm, haven't had any issues with the many many version of transsmission on linux[13:45:34] <patdk-wk> download stats are tricky without a tracker[13:45:38] <patdk-wk> with a tracker, it's not hard[14:12:18] *** BobLu has quit IRC[14:16:50] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[14:21:09] *** Seemone has quit IRC[14:21:15] <nikolam> tomww, its nice to see packagemanager GUI for IPS working and gparted in 151a8. I was able to install tightvnc from http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhostoi151a8/[14:26:10] *** Seemone has joined #openindiana[14:29:15] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[14:35:07] *** tomww has quit IRC[14:35:15] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[14:35:15] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[14:35:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[14:35:51] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[14:48:31] *** vados_ has quit IRC[14:50:52] *** alendelon has joined #openindiana[14:53:33] <tomww> nikolam: cool. I use tightnv and rdesktop daily. only you have to remember that they live in /usr/gnu/bin/ (while solaris11 has older versions in /usr/bin)[15:04:33] <alp> I don't see rdesktop in SFE...[15:07:24] <alp> yes, and our rdesktop needs updating[15:17:47] <tomww> well, for oi151a8 its missing, just notices after I was writing about it. I'l have a lock what the build logs say.[15:25:11] <alp> updated rdesktop to 1.8.3[15:27:15] <tomww> I tried that one some time ago and I believe it got into compile problems.[15:27:26] <tomww> so I just submitted a spec file with 1.7.1[15:27:35] *** irker861 has joined #openindiana[15:27:36] <irker861> spec-files-extra [5935] tom68 SFErdesktop-gnu.spec: re-introduce in /usr/gnu, version 1.7.1[15:27:52] <tomww> alp: you got 1.8.3 to compile?[15:29:16] <tomww> (I tried last 1.8.2, complainging about libgssglue not present)[15:29:20] <alp> without any issues[15:29:52] <alp> http://pastebin.com/zNWWH6RF[15:31:26] <alp> this were configure flags from jds[15:32:22] <tomww> ah, okay. probably one of those here avoid libgssglue I think: --disable-credssp --disable-smartcard[15:32:41] <alp> yes[15:32:56] <tomww> I'll let the autobuild run it with 1.7.1, then do another version bump to 1.8.3 plus --disable-credssp --disable-smartcard and see it that works[15:33:14] <tomww> thanks![15:33:19] <alp> np[15:34:23] <nikolam> what's --disable-smartcard ?[15:35:11] <alp> I suppose, smartcard auth support[15:35:35] <tsoome> + forward probably[15:35:39] <nikolam> why disable it[15:35:41] <tomww> you can use a smartcard via rdp to do extra authentication[15:35:59] <alp> it already was in Oracle spec-files-extra[15:36:01] *** ntz is now known as boobzilla[15:36:08] <tomww> there is no libgssglue, tough we have SFElibgssglue.spec[15:36:13] <nikolam> I have smart card reader in aptop[15:36:28] <alp> and AD configured to do smart card auth?[15:36:37] <tsoome> most likely because smartcard would require openct or similar stack to be installed;)[15:36:38] <tomww> Haha, the term Oracle is not fully true for spec-files-extra, it is true for spec-files which makes up gnome[15:36:50] <nikolam> well no. maybe if there is some AD..[15:37:02] <nikolam> or some windows in Vbox hm[15:37:15] <alp> s/spec-files-extra/solaris-desktop~spec-files//[15:37:55] <alp> (always forget how they call JDS now)[15:38:03] <tomww> well, the "name" "spec-files-extra" is since the incarnation something outside of oracle. the -extra is the important part :)[15:38:20] <alp> sorry :)[15:38:35] <alp> for me it was just SFE...[15:38:35] <tomww> and your subdirectory solaris-desktop~spec-files doesn't belong to the commonly known extra spec files in spec-files-extra :)[15:38:44] <tomww> so I can agree with "oracle <-> spec-files"[15:39:06] <tomww> and that lives now on java.net[15:39:17] <tomww> no worries :)[15:40:25] <nikolam> Maybe I could find some Windows prebuild VM to enable smart card authentication, but I need to find fresh smart cards, too. Uless I use personal ID card, that is also smart card[15:41:06] <nikolam> wonder if it is supported for rdesktop and smartcard, only on windows?[15:41:46] <lblume> ID cards round here with a chip are not EMV, so it's not easy to access them at all.[15:42:27] <tsoome> smartcards, while on first glance its good idea, are actually just one huge PITA.[15:42:37] <nikolam> my smart card reader driver is using driver usb_mid, I guess it works[15:42:58] <alp> one of our windows admin uses etokens to secure access to several terminal servers. The worst thing was that smart card auth was broken when we added Samba4 AD and we had to remove it from domain...[15:43:15] <nikolam> Smart cards are almost inviable here for logging on banking and governmental sites[15:43:38] <nikolam> it's not only about inhouse infrastructure[15:44:06] <tsoome> nikolam: wait till you get mobile-id, then you will see how last century the smartcards are:P[15:44:24] <lblume> Lack of standardization in cards introduced for computing did not help, because OF COURSE computer vendors had to reinvent the wheel[15:45:12] <tsoome> wheels or not. the hardware itself is so bad that on ~ 50% attempts your card will not be recognized by sustem[15:45:14] <nikolam> We have private keys for documents signing on IDs, for signing documents remotely, My friend is using it to sign PDFs on Invoices[15:45:40] <tsoome> + the card will be literally destroyed if you have to insert it a lot[15:45:59] <nikolam> As I know there's support for Linux, that is made independently from government vendors, but of course it needs smartcard itself to work in the system[15:46:16] <nikolam> I know all that.[15:47:24] <nikolam> Just saying, smart card support is needed and I would need to dug out some AD in Vbox to test it[15:47:45] <lblume> tsoome: Well, banks are able to do cards that last years with rather frequent use.[15:47:59] <tsoome> ;)[15:48:20] <nikolam> Yes, they are used for years, banking as main use case.[15:48:25] <patdk-wk> freq? once a day max[15:48:27] <tomww> okay, okay, once it is clear how that could be tested, we can looks for e.g. libgssglue and just try.[15:48:35] <patdk-wk> my cards rarely last over a year[15:48:44] <tsoome> my access card is smartcard used also to get access to my desktop[15:49:30] <tsoome> which means i do quite many inserts per day;)[15:50:06] <lblume> patdk-wk: More than once a day here, and they're switching from 2 to 3 years duration. My Amex actually is a 5 year card. The problem is not with the chip, but with the markings and signatures on the cards being erased[15:50:32] <patdk-wk> ya, the markings is problem here[15:50:37] <patdk-wk> no one supports chip :)[15:51:03] <tsoome> but all normal activities (including elections) are done with mobile id. the physical card is just garbage;)[15:51:17] <nikolam> in many banks they routinely read personal IDs here, reading chip from the card[15:51:40] <nikolam> Anyway, it is needed.[15:52:45] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:56:41] * alp going mad looking as Win2012 server is installing updates for a whole day...[15:58:46] <irker861> spec-files-extra [5936] tom68 SFEqt-gpp.spec: temporary fix for mysql include and lib dir (S12)[15:59:42] <nikolam> tomww, there seems to be webmin in a8 that mentions dovecot[16:00:58] <tomww> does that mean to confiugre dovecot from webmin?[16:01:14] <tomww> it got a bit quiet around webmin, doesn't it?[16:07:01] *** nljmo has quit IRC[16:10:34] *** nljmo has joined #openindiana[16:15:13] *** rfm has joined #openindiana[16:15:53] <nikolam> mhm, there's also mentioning of postfix in webmin, so I suppose it needs to be seen if that works and if needs updating webmin[16:24:36] <tomww> ah now I understand, you have webmin running and suddenly, dovecot and postfix apperas in the webmin gui?[16:27:08] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:36:12] <nikolam> I suppose webmin can manage both postfix and dovecot and look to it as part of testing them, if does or does not work, also webmin needs to be checked with them[16:36:37] <nikolam> so webmin could be part of testing[16:37:45] *** bricklord has joined #openindiana[16:46:07] *** bricklord has quit IRC[17:25:53] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[17:29:24] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[17:34:36] *** merzo has quit IRC[17:35:02] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[17:39:49] *** held has quit IRC[17:47:09] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[17:49:16] *** myrkraverk has joined #openindiana[18:14:56] *** Cust0sL1men has quit IRC[18:19:44] *** Seemone has quit IRC[18:23:27] *** alesales has joined #openindiana[18:26:35] *** boobzilla is now known as ntz[18:26:42] *** ntz is now known as boobzilla[18:29:53] *** boobzilla is now known as ntz[18:32:52] *** rfm has quit IRC[18:35:20] <nikolam> Windows 10 minimum hardware requirements:"UEFI & Secure Boot ENABLED".... http://venturebeat.com/2015/03/18/microsoft-reveals-windows-10-hardware-requirements-and-upgrade-paths/[18:35:56] <nikolam> Meaning, locking down PC's all around the world to windows-only remote control. Plus you won't be able to boot anything else...[18:36:21] <nikolam> And yes, still supporting 32-bit. And why not.[18:36:53] <nikolam> Also require 3D hardware[18:37:24] <nikolam> Also required: "A Microsoft account and Internet access"[18:40:29] <nikolam> Plus rumor of free upgrades for a year.[18:41:13] <nikolam> And of course, all your biometric data to end up in Microsoft HQ database..[18:44:48] <patdk-wk> it isn'[18:44:50] <patdk-wk> t already?[18:51:09] <nikolam> yes, we are already slaves, since windows 98[18:52:04] <phobos_anomaly> I'm glad I got out of IT. I don't want to deal with any more of Microsofts disasters[18:52:32] <patdk-wk> it's just once a month :)[18:53:16] <patdk-wk> just take a 2day vacation every month on wed/thu[18:53:22] <patdk-wk> hopefully it's mostly cleaned up by friday[18:53:30] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[18:55:37] *** sac has joined #openindiana[18:55:49] <phobos_anomaly> patdk-wk: It sounds like it'll be an every day thing now... This scanner won't read my eye. Oops, My can of coke some how turned itself over on the finger scanner and now it won't read anything. It says my subscription isn't valid. Why is this? What is this spartan thing? Wheres my explorer? Why is it giving me a blue screen? Didn't they promise they fixed that by now? What does it mean when the screen says the registry[18:55:51] <phobos_anomaly> is corrupt?[18:58:30] <patdk-wk> hmm? I thought it was black screens now instead of blue[18:58:38] <patdk-wk> was really a simple fix all along for years[18:58:44] <phobos_anomaly> or in one case "This computer is fuckin worn out. I need a new one." No, it's not the computer, It's windows. It needs to be reinstalled or replaced with something else.[18:58:48] *** irker861 has quit IRC[18:59:06] *** sac has quit IRC[19:05:11] *** held has joined #openindiana[19:05:12] *** held has joined #openindiana[19:06:43] *** happy-dude has joined #openindiana[19:07:15] *** sac has joined #openindiana[19:09:26] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:23:38] *** sac has quit IRC[19:24:27] *** sac has joined #openindiana[19:27:29] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[19:35:50] *** sac has quit IRC[20:09:21] *** leoric has joined #openindiana[20:11:33] *** alesales has quit IRC[20:13:02] *** doug_ndndn has joined #openindiana[21:13:54] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[21:22:37] *** magyar has quit IRC[21:24:41] *** magyar has joined #openindiana[22:17:57] *** alendelon has quit IRC[22:45:07] *** n2deep_ has quit IRC[22:56:03] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[23:07:18] *** phobos has joined #openindiana[23:12:15] *** ironm has joined #openindiana[23:13:22] <ironm> Hello. Is there a live image for openindiana?[23:18:29] <tsoome> um, man google?:P:D[23:18:44] <tsoome> yes, there is:)[23:21:23] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[23:36:04] *** phobos has quit IRC[23:37:19] *** ironm has quit IRC