March 18, 2015 
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March 18, 2015 [00:04:48] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[00:18:46] *** happy-dude has joined #openindiana[00:20:21] <phobos_anomaly> A few years ago, I'd seeded one OI iso till it hit 100 shared. Interest died out after that. I continued seeding for months afterward without any activity. Then shut it off.[00:20:46] <phobos_anomaly> If there's enough interest, I'd do it again.[00:43:48] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[00:49:04] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[01:02:16] *** leoric has quit IRC[01:02:47] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[01:06:25] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[01:08:13] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[01:14:16] *** freakazoid0223 has left #openindiana[01:48:37] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[01:54:14] *** heyun has joined #openindiana[01:58:27] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[02:03:34] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[02:41:59] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[02:57:49] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[03:12:22] *** merzo has quit IRC[03:28:23] *** ancoron has joined #openindiana[03:32:49] *** ancoron_ has quit IRC[03:40:08] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[03:41:37] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[03:47:37] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[03:53:12] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[04:29:01] *** sac has joined #openindiana[04:41:54] *** heyun has quit IRC[04:42:51] *** heyun has joined #openindiana[04:56:47] *** held has quit IRC[05:01:32] *** basic6_ has joined #openindiana[05:02:48] *** phobos has joined #openindiana[05:05:10] *** sac has quit IRC[05:05:14] *** basic6 has quit IRC[05:22:58] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[05:29:23] *** myrkraverk has joined #openindiana[05:29:23] *** myrkraverk has joined #openindiana[05:30:58] *** heyun1 has joined #openindiana[05:33:17] *** heyun has quit IRC[05:35:49] *** alanc has quit IRC[05:36:16] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[05:36:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[05:37:41] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[05:44:57] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[05:59:53] *** basic6 has joined #openindiana[06:03:19] *** basic6_ has quit IRC[06:12:04] *** leoric has joined #openindiana[06:19:12] *** phobos has quit IRC[06:30:36] *** Seony has quit IRC[06:41:12] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[06:45:27] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[06:50:49] <tsoome> i wouldn’t expect to see huge popularity;)[07:07:48] *** jwit has quit IRC[07:09:02] *** alendelon has joined #openindiana[07:13:20] *** spossiba has quit IRC[07:19:05] *** held has joined #openindiana[07:21:23] *** spossiba has joined #openindiana[07:22:54] *** leoric has quit IRC[07:25:48] *** jwit has joined #openindiana[07:35:03] *** rfm has quit IRC[07:41:33] *** Vutral has quit IRC[07:49:32] *** tsoome has quit IRC[07:49:51] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[08:13:00] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[08:13:26] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[08:14:19] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[08:44:11] *** Seony has quit IRC[09:09:41] *** alendelon has quit IRC[09:14:11] *** alendelon has joined #openindiana[09:27:56] *** Cust0sL1men has joined #openindiana[09:39:18] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[09:43:38] *** Seemone has joined #openindiana[09:49:53] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[10:03:51] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[10:23:06] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[11:14:05] *** Seony has quit IRC[11:20:57] *** gwr_ has joined #openindiana[11:24:20] *** gwr has quit IRC[11:54:52] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[11:59:13] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[12:00:13] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[12:07:39] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[12:08:03] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[12:11:30] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[12:12:13] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[12:25:31] *** alendelon has quit IRC[12:30:37] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[12:31:44] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[12:51:20] *** heyun1 has quit IRC[12:52:00] *** heyun has joined #openindiana[13:03:50] *** heyun has quit IRC[13:22:54] *** BobLu has quit IRC[13:23:31] *** merzo has quit IRC[13:26:16] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[13:32:04] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[14:03:45] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[14:04:20] *** BobLu has quit IRC[14:15:50] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[14:35:43] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[14:43:25] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[14:51:25] <DrLou> Hmm… trying to change hostname on a zone - is it necessary to re-sysid the thing?[14:51:39] <DrLou> have changed hosts, nodename, etc.[14:52:16] <tsoome> but?[14:52:51] <DrLou> reboot persists in using old hostname - have also changed interface file setting, fwiw[14:52:54] *** kforbz has quit IRC[14:55:21] <tsoome> i dont have any zones set up atm, it may be the hostname is set based on zonename in zone config[14:55:40] <DrLou> OK, apparently an extra CR in one of those files is a _bad_ thing. ( Thanks, tsoome… )[14:56:14] <tsoome> empty line?[14:56:18] <DrLou> yes, default hostname probably is - but in our case, hostname is set explicitly different to zonemane[14:56:27] <DrLou> yes, one (damned) empty line[14:56:56] <tsoome> :)[15:01:41] *** gwr_ has quit IRC[15:06:34] *** ghostpl__ has joined #openindiana[15:10:44] *** alendelon has joined #openindiana[15:18:52] *** melliott has joined #openindiana[15:21:28] *** jollyd has quit IRC[15:29:44] *** ghostpl__ has quit IRC[15:30:11] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[15:31:17] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[15:33:44] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[15:47:03] *** leoric has joined #openindiana[15:48:22] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:18:38] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:30:15] *** Seemone has quit IRC[16:45:07] <XenophonF> tsoome: i'm a OI newb - what's hipster?[16:45:30] <XenophonF> is that a dev snapshot?[16:46:14] <leoric> it's more like "permanent dev"[16:46:17] <XenophonF> ah never mind http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Hipster :)[16:46:21] <tsoome> yea[16:48:03] <DrLou> welcome, XenophonF[16:48:06] <tsoome> as /release never happened, its like new /dev;)[16:48:45] <XenophonF> hah thanks DrLou[16:49:17] <XenophonF> it's more like "welcome back" for me :)[16:49:51] <XenophonF> i think the last version of solaris i touched was 2.5.1[16:50:09] <XenophonF> it's nice to be able to boot OI up, feels like home :)[16:50:09] <DrLou> ( yikes )[16:50:35] <XenophonF> i actually got this running nicely under hyper-v![16:50:54] <XenophonF> my next goal is to boot it up under openstack[16:52:05] <leoric> under hyper-V it's amazingly slow[16:52:55] <XenophonF> yeah - all legacy drivers and such[16:53:23] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[16:53:45] <leoric> and in my experience it couldn't use several virtual CPU efficiently[16:53:58] <XenophonF> porting/writing Hyper-V drivers for OI is a little beyond my ken ATM[16:54:00] <leoric> in fact adding more CPUs made it run slower[16:55:01] *** Savis has joined #openindiana[16:55:09] <XenophonF> really? that's odd[17:00:18] *** tomww has quit IRC[17:00:36] *** XenophonF has left #openindiana[17:01:19] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[17:01:20] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[17:01:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[17:16:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[17:20:48] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[17:22:15] *** XenophonF has joined #openindiana[17:45:36] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[17:59:00] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[18:10:11] *** alesales has joined #openindiana[18:26:19] *** rfm has joined #openindiana[18:26:34] *** Cust0sL1men has quit IRC[18:30:22] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[18:36:27] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[18:46:13] *** happy-dude has quit IRC[19:16:34] *** SonikkuAmerica has joined #openindiana[19:23:33] *** capncrunch has joined #openindiana[19:24:05] *** sac has joined #openindiana[19:26:07] *** alesales has quit IRC[19:28:26] *** alesales has joined #openindiana[19:51:45] *** merzo has quit IRC[19:52:38] *** sac has quit IRC[19:59:24] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[20:20:16] *** alesales has quit IRC[20:21:46] *** ghostpl_ has joined #openindiana[20:22:25] *** ghostpl_ has quit IRC[20:31:23] *** mfa298 has quit IRC[20:32:05] *** mfa298 has joined #openindiana[20:37:10] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[20:37:16] *** Sand2Silicon has joined #openindiana[20:38:10] *** kdavyd has quit IRC[20:39:21] *** lewq has quit IRC[20:39:34] *** XenophonF has quit IRC[20:40:51] *** kdavyd has joined #openindiana[20:41:52] *** lewq has joined #openindiana[20:42:19] *** happy-dude has joined #openindiana[20:44:45] *** XenophonF has joined #openindiana[20:45:06] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[20:52:39] <capncrunch> hi guys, I've researched the torrent stuff a bit today. Basically there's 3 ways a bittorrent download for the ISOs can be set up:[20:52:44] *** SonikkuAmerica has quit IRC[20:53:22] <capncrunch> 1. keep a torrent client and a bittorrent tracker running on the server[20:53:48] <capncrunch> 2. keep a torrent client running on the server and use a public tracker like legit torrent[20:54:21] <capncrunch> 3. create the torrent in "trackerless" mode[20:55:09] <capncrunch> transmission has a daemon client that would be suitable for server type operation[20:55:44] <lennard> without being informed of context, just a note on 1: if memory servers you don't need a demon-type thingy but can just use ie. php in regular web servere[20:55:51] <tsoome> what that php thing is using, transmission?[20:56:14] <lennard> wait, I wasn't specific enough[20:56:23] <lennard> I meant just the tracker part[20:56:48] <capncrunch> yes, there's a php tracker available and i think it uses libtracker for the protocol stuff[20:56:59] *** SonikkuAmerica has joined #openindiana[20:57:16] <capncrunch> but this thing could work well without a tracker[20:57:30] <capncrunch> almost every torrent client already supports trackerless mode[20:58:08] <capncrunch> albeit, I don't think I've ever come across a trackerless torrent file yet[20:59:04] *** Seony has quit IRC[20:59:25] *** Bdragon has quit IRC[20:59:50] *** Bdragon has joined #openindiana[21:00:23] *** XenophonF has quit IRC[21:07:50] <capncrunch> I've created DHT (trackerless) torrent file for oi-dev-151a8-text-x86.iso. If anyone wants to help test this, you can find the file here: https://mega.co.nz/#!ntVC2QZK!NvLGjNJLqgpQYZxGQ-6mU36imFIOzmvXWLc_RBzyfNw[21:08:43] <capncrunch> make sure you turn on DHT in your torrent client before opening that file. In transmission you can find this setting in Edit > Preferences > Network > "Use DHT ..."[21:09:55] *** Bastian82 has joined #openindiana[21:10:16] <capncrunch> I'll keep seeding this until 5 AM UTC[21:12:39] <kdavyd> capncrunch: seems to work, i'm downloading and will help seed[21:13:07] <capncrunch> kdavyd: yup it's working. I can see it uploading :)[21:13:56] <DrLou> Working here, too[21:15:36] <capncrunch> out of curiosity, can you guys tell me what download speeds you're having and maybe a coarse geographical position (something like timezone)?[21:15:51] <DrLou> New York. 1 MB/s[21:15:55] <kdavyd> 1.5 MB/sec, Houston TX on Comcast[21:16:07] <patdk-wk> can't get that url to work for me :([21:16:33] <DrLou> 1 seed, 4 peers[21:16:43] <capncrunch> patdk-wk: it could be blocked by your ISP. i'll try uploading it to skydrive or google drive[21:16:46] <patdk-wk> oh wait, I have to DOWNLOAD it using a browser?[21:16:56] <patdk-wk> it's not a direct link? or a magnet url?[21:16:57] <patdk-wk> annoying[21:17:04] <capncrunch> nope, it's a torrent file :)[21:17:10] <patdk-wk> no it's not[21:17:14] <DrLou> d’load the torrent, then must run a torrent client[21:17:17] <kdavyd> Does magnet even work in trackerless mode?[21:17:18] <patdk-wk> it's a url to a page that download the torrent[21:17:29] <lennard> wait I cant wget it?[21:17:31] <patdk-wk> it should be a direct link to the torrent file without this webpage crap :)[21:17:33] <patdk-wk> no[21:17:34] <lennard> drats, there goes my plan[21:17:39] <patdk-wk> ya, my issue[21:17:48] <capncrunch> nope sorry you can't, i had to upload it somewhere to a cloud host[21:17:57] <capncrunch> and they don't provide direct links to the file[21:18:00] <kdavyd> dropbox works well for this[21:18:05] <kdavyd> as well as direct linking[21:18:07] <capncrunch> hmm, let me upload to dropbox[21:18:08] <patdk-wk> anything works for this, except cloud[21:18:23] <patdk-wk> even google drive works for this Ithink[21:18:40] <DrLou> I just curl -OL’d it (I think)[21:19:01] <patdk-wk> fails for me, Iget a annoying and slow webpage in firefox though[21:19:12] <lennard> http://equinix.lennard.org/oi-dev-151a8-text-x86.iso.torrent[21:19:15] <lennard> or https[21:19:21] <capncrunch> thanks lennard[21:19:29] <lennard> I'll remove it in a few hours or so[21:20:19] <patdk-wk> ok, my house is seeding[21:20:35] <patdk-wk> I'll have to seed from the colo too when I get that turned back on[21:20:46] <patdk-wk> the only real issue here is[21:20:57] <patdk-wk> we all have to know about the *updated* torrent to seed on new releases[21:21:17] *** XenophonF has joined #openindiana[21:21:49] <lennard> there's a fair amount of torrent clients that support rss feeds for that[21:21:56] <capncrunch> that won't be a problem if it's announced on the website[21:22:07] <patdk-wk> website would be bad[21:22:08] <capncrunch> this is more of a proof of concept more than anything else[21:22:15] <patdk-wk> Iwould have to visit the website to know[21:22:19] <patdk-wk> we have the announcement list[21:22:26] <kdavyd> The bigger issue is knowing whether your ISP has a bandwidth cap...[21:22:34] <patdk-wk> if it went in there for each release, not that new releases have been announced lately[21:22:43] <patdk-wk> heh?[21:22:47] <patdk-wk> how is that a bigger issue?[21:22:57] <xenol> I have 1gig line available in central europe, but the torrent does not seem to be a fast download[21:22:57] <patdk-wk> you should know what your isp is, and what tos you agreed to[21:22:59] <capncrunch> kdavyd: it really isn't since there's a lot of people without a cap[21:22:59] <xenol> how can I help?[21:23:17] <DrLou> sedding from here now, too.[21:23:19] <capncrunch> xenol: I have 100MBit capless in eastern europe[21:23:22] <kdavyd> I once inadvertently seeded 2TB or so of some Linux ISO. With a cap I'd be screwed.[21:23:25] <capncrunch> all you can do is seed[21:23:28] <xenol> I cappless as well[21:23:30] <patdk-wk> I have 2gbit in ashburn[21:23:32] <xenol> capless*[21:23:40] <lennard> my transmission-cli is having some troubles doing its DHT-thing[21:23:42] <patdk-wk> I pay 95th on it though[21:23:59] <capncrunch> lennard, make sure to pass the --use-dht parameter to transmission-cli[21:24:03] <patdk-wk> someone is downloading from me[21:24:09] <lennard> hmm it says its DHT-ing[21:24:17] <xenol> ok, dling[21:24:18] <lennard> then again, I probably firewalled my box[21:24:20] * patdk-wk just uses the transmission webgui :)[21:24:41] <patdk-wk> why I need direct links or magnet[21:25:20] <capncrunch> convenience?[21:25:33] <patdk-wk> yes, ultra lazy, that is the whole point of computers :)[21:25:37] <patdk-wk> they work, so I don't have to[21:25:38] <lennard> ooh I have a peer[21:25:39] <xenol> patdk-wk: it's me[21:25:53] <lennard> 3 peers![21:25:57] <xenol> I'll be seeding it if nobody removes it. I have bandwith to spare[21:26:04] <capncrunch> oooh, it seems transmission has a "Copy manget link to clipboard feature"[21:26:05] <patdk-wk> hmm, ratio is going up fast[21:26:15] <capncrunch> magnet-link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:fcb44406745b141fb150fc68ddc3266982316931&dn=oi-dev-151a8-text-x86.iso[21:26:20] <patdk-wk> :)[21:26:32] <lennard> downspeed is pretty poor tbh[21:26:39] <lennard> from netherlands[21:27:23] <capncrunch> lennard: yes, as I've stated I live somewhere in easter europe (that country you refused to welcome in the schengen space) and I have a 100 Mbit line, out of which 30 is upload.[21:27:54] <capncrunch> the speed will go up once more people seed the torrent[21:28:30] <xenol> the download finished, seeding now[21:28:37] <lennard> pfft I don't pay attention to policits as much as I should[21:29:49] <xenol> lennard: could you do the same for hipster isos?[21:30:02] <DrLou> exactly three of us seeding it at the moment -[21:30:15] <DrLou> hipster seems more important, in fact[21:30:40] <lennard> xenol: do what? copy a torrent from web thingy to wgettable?[21:30:49] <xenol> yup[21:31:00] <lennard> sure. where do I find the web thingies to copy from?[21:31:04] <xenol> ah, who has created the torrent file?[21:31:14] <lennard> capncrunch: did :)[21:31:23] <capncrunch> yup, but i didn't do it for hipster.[21:31:37] <capncrunch> i will gladly share the "complicated" process through which the files were created tho :)[21:31:48] <lennard> transmission-create --magic? :)[21:32:12] <capncrunch> nah, even simpler: transmission-create path_to_file -o torrent_file_name[21:32:12] <xenol> I have latest hipster isos around, so I can start seeding[21:32:18] <capncrunch> that was it[21:32:33] <capncrunch> it will complain about the lack of trackers, but it still works through DHT[21:32:50] <xenol> hmm, what version of tranmission?[21:32:56] <xenol> I don't have that command[21:33:00] <capncrunch> 2.84[21:33:15] <xenol> 2.71[21:33:23] *** basic6 has quit IRC[21:33:23] *** basic6_ has joined #openindiana[21:33:24] <capncrunch> make sure you have transmission-cli installed[21:33:44] <capncrunch> if you don't, you can also do it through the GUI[21:34:56] <patdk-wk> setup at colo[21:34:59] <patdk-wk> hasn't found me[21:35:32] <patdk-wk> should go fast once you find my colo[21:37:24] <patdk-wk> oh did he stop?[21:37:35] <patdk-wk> no peers on either[21:37:43] <capncrunch> yup, same here 0 peers[21:38:02] <capncrunch> and only 1.14 GB uploaded[21:38:12] <patdk-wk> I'll have two more locations to seed from soon[21:40:20] <tsoome> 5 seeds[21:40:33] <capncrunch> speed?[21:40:41] <tsoome> 9.32mb[21:40:50] <DrLou> I see 7 seeds, no?[21:40:50] <xenol> http://xenol.eu/~xenol/OI-hipster-text-20141010.iso.torrent[21:40:58] <capncrunch> ok, I guess I've proved my point here :)[21:41:11] <patdk-wk> I don't have that iso :)[21:41:17] <alanc> at this rate you'll end up with more people seeding than ever download it[21:41:43] <patdk-wk> I can only seed from 6 locations[21:41:59] <capncrunch> @alanc: that's the whole idea. you get efectively unlimeted upload capacity. the site download was limited to 250 KB/s for me.[21:42:10] <DrLou> ( I am kinda wondering abour the demand for /dev, after all… )[21:42:13] <tsoome> and im seeding now[21:42:28] <tsoome> DrLou: its test just now:)[21:42:38] <patdk-wk> hipster isn't working[21:42:43] <patdk-wk> can't find any seeds[21:42:48] <capncrunch> same here: 0 seeds[21:43:09] <DrLou> well, useful in the interim for problems related to grub, I guess[21:43:30] <xenol> I haven't entered any trackers there. I left everything as was and just clicked yes[21:43:37] <xenol> capncrunch: was that enough?[21:44:00] <capncrunch> xenol: should've been. your version definitely has DHT support.[21:44:20] <patdk-wk> yes, but you HAVE the iso right?[21:44:56] <capncrunch> xenol: you also have to open the torrent in transmission and keep it running there (mentioning this just in case).[21:45:37] <xenol> I have created it on my laptop and copied the torren to the server[21:45:49] <xenol> something is correct.[21:46:05] <patdk-wk> but did you copy the iso also to your torrent server?[21:46:24] <capncrunch> patdk-wk: you don't need to copy the iso to the place where the .torrent file is hosted[21:46:32] <patdk-wk> heh?[21:46:37] <DrLou> right[21:46:39] <capncrunch> all you need to do is to keep the .torrent file opened on the machine you have the iso on[21:46:53] <patdk-wk> yes[21:47:04] <patdk-wk> when he put it into his torrent program[21:47:08] <patdk-wk> he did put the iso in there too?[21:47:24] <patdk-wk> he copied it to the torrent server[21:47:25] <capncrunch> he just needs to have the iso on the disk. the rest is done by the torrent client[21:47:30] <patdk-wk> iso needs to be copied to torrent server also[21:47:44] <capncrunch> ok, it's downloading now :D[21:47:45] <patdk-wk> yes, the torrent server/client NEED to find the iso[21:48:22] <xenol> I handed the ISO to the daemon on the server, sending from the laptop atm[21:49:21] <xenol> ok, I just had to tell transmission to verify it :)[21:49:47] <patdk-wk> yep[21:49:49] <capncrunch> i must say, this is *much* better than the site download![21:50:20] <capncrunch> i would've probably grown white hairs if i downloaded hipster otherwise[21:50:33] <tsoome> well, as long as the publishing is nicely automated etc...[21:50:47] <patdk-wk> 4min left[21:50:49] <DrLou> and, given that EC donates that bandwidth/resource, I’m sure they welcome this...[21:50:51] <patdk-wk> this is too slow[21:51:18] <capncrunch> tsoome, the torrent file generation is pretty easy to accomplish. the way you guys publish it is up to you[21:51:19] <tsoome> i have both a8 and hipster 20141010 seeding[21:51:29] <xenol> sending GUI now[21:51:40] <patdk-wk> only getting 5MB/sec downloads[21:51:44] <xenol> well, the problem with slow transfers is due to lack of mirrors[21:52:31] <xenol> back in 2012, there were several of them[21:53:05] <patdk-wk> torrent is a normal workflow for me, as I seed a lot of things[21:53:35] <xenol> I can get ISO images *fast* from the OI servers located in the UK[21:53:44] <xenol> I can create torrent and seed them[21:53:46] <capncrunch> xenol: when someone really wants to just try out OI, they don't really care if it's the lack of mirrors or cosmic forces plotting againts OI. Torrent is a quickfix for this issue.[21:54:05] <capncrunch> you can at least get the .iso and try it in a more timely fashion[21:54:12] <xenol> no point in automating as there isn't much work involved[21:54:30] <xenol> capncrunch: we will see[21:54:40] <xenol> I am gonna tweet about it[21:54:42] <patdk-wk> gui link?[21:54:46] <tsoome> torrent is not quaranteed fast download for sure, but it may help[21:54:47] <xenol> one sec[21:55:08] <xenol> tsoome: my machine is mostly idle sitting on 1gbit network[21:55:15] <DrLou> here’s a link to the USB version of 2014.10.10 hipster: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtozysa5o2w60te/OI-hipster-text-20141010.usb.torrent?dl=0[21:55:32] <capncrunch> tsoome: it's another choice, where there aren't really many others.[21:55:43] <patdk-wk> invalid or corrupt[21:56:53] <xenol> works for me (but I had to download it first)[21:59:30] <capncrunch> wors here, too. I'm installing it in virtualbox as we speak.[21:59:47] <xenol> http://xenol.eu/~xenol/OI-hipster-gui-20141010.iso.torrent[21:59:58] <patdk-wk> ya, think the ? args is throwing off transmission[22:00:49] <DrLou> ( I was able to re-download it, using that link. )[22:01:26] <xenol> anyone can try the GUI one?[22:01:47] <capncrunch> yup, i have it open in transmission. 0 seeds so far.[22:01:48] <lennard> I've added it to my transmission, not seeing any peers yet[22:01:55] <lennard> but DHT can take a while I think[22:02:24] <patdk-wk> where do you get the magnet info from?[22:02:36] <xenol> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:eac06cbf655e5e22e7f082a653115ec669a95a13&dn=OI-hipster-gui-20141010.iso[22:02:44] <xenol> rightclick in transmission (Mac version)[22:02:47] <patdk-wk> well, was looking for usb magnet[22:03:03] <patdk-wk> doesn't work for webgui version[22:03:42] <DrLou> Similarly, magnet for the USB version: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:713D1CCAC8FAE8808973DED7C05793BCDDDC3D80&dn=OI-hipster-text-20141010.usb[22:06:09] <lennard> still no peers on gui, but have 2 peers on text (which I added later)[22:06:19] <lennard> hipster-text, that is[22:07:18] <patdk-wk> someone did verify right? :)[22:07:32] <patdk-wk> gui just got 4[22:07:49] <lennard> crap, that means my disk gonna fill up now :P[22:07:52] <capncrunch> did you do anything to gui xenol?[22:08:04] <lennard> I just got 5 as well[22:08:04] <xenol> capncrunch: yes, uploading from laptop now[22:08:20] <xenol> the server seems to ignore me even though the torrent is added[22:08:30] <xenol> it works now[22:08:50] <DrLou> it’s downloading here...[22:09:29] <capncrunch> xenol: are you running transmission-daemon on the server?[22:09:33] <xenol> yes[22:09:49] <capncrunch> and did you innitiate the seeding process with transmission-remote?[22:09:58] <xenol> yes[22:10:10] <capncrunch> wow, that's weird then[22:10:31] <xenol> whatever, works now. there is hipster text usb left to prepare[22:10:39] <xenol> I have to dl it first, brb[22:11:16] <DrLou> I’ve placed it above. Anybody tried it?[22:11:34] <xenol> oh, I meant gui usb[22:12:38] <patdk-wk> ya, slow[22:12:41] <patdk-wk> 30min left[22:12:51] <patdk-wk> oh, picking up speed[22:13:59] <DrLou> well, while I’m the only seeder … (!) also dl-ing to seed all others at same time[22:14:57] <lennard> so we have 3 isos going now, right? hipser-text, hipster-gui and a8-text?[22:15:08] <patdk-wk> I have 4[22:15:11] <patdk-wk> and pending 1 or 2[22:15:23] <DrLou> also hipster-text-usb-20141010[22:16:16] <DrLou> have a few other ‘test’ hipsters, but these should probably not be ‘torrented’[22:16:51] <xenol> there is no point in torrenting older releases[22:16:59] <DrLou> newer[22:17:14] <xenol> newer then 20141010?[22:17:23] <DrLou> y[22:17:36] <xenol> custom built?[22:17:50] <DrLou> alp testing stuff.[22:17:58] <xenol> so not the official one[22:18:07] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[22:18:13] <DrLou> stuff which should not be torrented[22:18:58] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[22:19:30] <capncrunch> please remember to publish it somewhere that's easy to find for noobs. like near that big download button on the homepage of the site.[22:20:34] <DrLou> we should also acknowledge that Alasdairr and Krew have tried this before, to resounding silence[22:20:58] <patdk-wk> I know I seeded it back then, for months[22:21:03] <lennard> my transmission is failing to demagnetize usb :([22:21:09] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[22:21:12] <patdk-wk> yep, same[22:21:31] <patdk-wk> oh it just did it[22:21:43] <lennard> hmm it does have peers[22:21:44] <capncrunch> @DrLou how come? does no one openindiana to be easily accessible?[22:21:49] <DrLou> err, the internet is not … overloaded - with OI dloads…[22:22:02] <patdk-wk> what?[22:22:06] <DrLou> how come what(?)[22:22:10] * patdk-wk downloads it a few times a day, just for fun[22:22:20] <tsoome> eh..[22:22:32] <tsoome> to keep statistics up?:P[22:22:37] <DrLou> I’d like nothing more than for it to be accessible.[22:22:49] <capncrunch> why were Alasdairr and Krew's attempt met with resounding silence?[22:22:50] <patdk-wk> lets see, a cron script to wipe the torrent downloads every 4 hours :)[22:22:58] <DrLou> Even better that it should be in great demand![22:23:21] <patdk-wk> ok, my usb seed is live[22:23:44] <DrLou> maybe if we attach a Beyonce video to the iso - this would get us social media, etc.[22:24:02] * patdk-wk might have to jump ship to omnios then[22:24:06] <capncrunch> @DrLou: even better, pr0n! :)[22:24:27] <DrLou> well, I didn’t want to go directly to porn. But the point is taken (!)[22:25:06] <capncrunch> @DrLou you guys should realize that you are the gateway to illumos[22:25:37] <capncrunch> omnios and the others are too bare metal to be useful for learning[22:25:40] <patdk-wk> not nexenta?[22:25:45] <DrLou> I’ve known this all along. Felt this strongly, in fact. (All readily-accessible punchlines aside!)[22:27:12] <DrLou> I have tremendous faith in OpenIndiana, from exactly that perspective, in fact.[22:27:17] <capncrunch> patdtk-wk: the last thing you want to do if you don't have illumos/solaris experience is start with nexenta.[22:28:02] * patdk-wk spent 3 days with zfsonlinux back in 2010[22:28:09] <patdk-wk> I jumped ship to openindiana[22:28:20] *** Bastian82 has quit IRC[22:28:38] <DrLou> have recently tried ZFs on OSX, and felt a cold chill[22:29:25] * patdk-wk needs to roll a new illumos-gate build soon[22:29:40] <patdk-wk> some bugs I have been watching for awhile now, are getting commited[22:29:48] <tsoome> osx really does not like the concept of multiple filesystems[22:30:00] <DrLou> and, as much as I love the torrent distribution model (OI for The Masses!), this is the least of our problems![22:30:22] <capncrunch> @DrLou: having an influx of new users should at least help you with the testing.[22:31:03] <xenol> capncrunch: having enough users is fine, but OI needs more developers atm[22:31:31] <capncrunch> xenol: users are like money, you think you have enough but you never really do.[22:38:43] <xenol> http://xenol.eu/~xenol/OI-hipster-gui-20141010.usb.torrent last one[22:43:07] <xenol> IPv6 peers \o/[22:44:49] <lennard> well duh :)[22:45:00] <patdk-wk> hmm, hopefully[22:45:04] <patdk-wk> as I am only seeing ipv6 traffic[22:47:22] <lennard> I'm seeing 3 ipv6 and 3 ipv4[22:47:59] <lennard> which, by all indications, is 3 peers, twice (1 v4 and 1 v6)[22:48:18] <lennard> indications being same transmission version and % available in each case[22:48:51] *** samu_ has quit IRC[22:54:10] <xenol> uhm, is there any point in publishing sha1 records of torrents files?[22:54:21] <xenol> torrent*[22:54:21] <DrLou> capncrunch: I’d _love_ to see anything which looks like an ‘influx’![22:54:33] <xenol> http://dlc.openindiana.org/torrents/[22:55:11] <DrLou> it’s a generally ‘good idea’ -[22:55:17] *** samu has joined #openindiana[22:55:41] <capncrunch> DrLou: If you promote OpenIndiana as fiercely as Richard Stallman promotes GNU, you will :)[22:56:15] <DrLou> I appreciate your enthusiasm. Please stick around.[22:57:17] <capncrunch> I will, I've already installed hipster on a VM. I'm gonna have to bug people to learn how to use it properly.[22:57:30] <DrLou> Please, bug away.[22:57:56] <DrLou> though I think alp disapproved(!) of your using it on a VM, no?[22:58:21] <DrLou> alas, you may already be in the technological doghouse![22:58:31] <capncrunch> uhm, what's alp again? :)[22:58:51] <DrLou> alp == leoric. He’s been doing a lot of the Heavy Lifting lately[23:00:07] *** SonikkuAmerica has quit IRC[23:00:50] <capncrunch> who knows. i'll probably will if it's stable enough. only time will tell.[23:01:13] <tsoome> i only use it on vm..[23:01:20] <capncrunch> my goal was to have a stable DTrace implementation handy. otherwise i would've probably used the one in FreeBSD.[23:01:36] <DrLou> Super, super stable.[23:02:00] <capncrunch> great, let's see how long it takes 'till i crash it :D[23:02:31] <DrLou> I think the Party Line at the moment is: We don’t call it release, only because we really don’t have the Test Suites/User Base, etc. to really call it ‘tested’[23:02:44] <DrLou> You are UserBase+1[23:04:14] <DrLou> and it’s kinda funny you should be mentioning Stallman; I’ve referenced him myself, specifically vis à vis his advocacy[23:04:21] <capncrunch> that's really cool! Do I get a badge or a certificate for that?[23:04:41] <capncrunch> yes, because like it or not he was effective at promoting GNU.[23:04:42] <DrLou> a glow in the dark frisbee[23:04:56] <capncrunch> my dog will really like that :P[23:05:51] <DrLou> ( I did a whole piece on him re The Hacker Ethos, essentially )[23:06:13] *** alendelon has quit IRC[23:07:36] *** Savis has quit IRC[23:11:29] *** XenophonF has quit IRC[23:12:07] <xenol> Email sent[23:13:42] *** leoric has quit IRC[23:14:27] <patdk-wk> aren't all hackers ethical?[23:15:14] <capncrunch> patdk-wh: not in the public's view they aren't. they think hackers are what we call crackers.[23:15:27] <patdk-wk> those are good for soup[23:15:34] <patdk-wk> and cheese[23:15:56] <capncrunch> and managing large pool of slave labour :P[23:16:10] <patdk-wk> I do![23:16:53] <xenol> DHT is taking too long[23:17:00] <xenol> how can we speed that thing up?[23:17:19] <capncrunch> xenol: tracker, but if the tracker dies, so does the torrent[23:17:19] <xenol> capncrunch: ^[23:17:20] <patdk-wk> use a tracker[23:17:33] <patdk-wk> hmm? can't it use a tacker + dht?[23:17:45] <capncrunch> i never actually thought of that[23:18:14] <capncrunch> i'll have to take a look tommorow at it, since it's already late and I have work in 7 hours (i can already hear the whips cracking).[23:18:38] <DrLou> I think we generally want DHT disabled.[23:18:49] <DrLou> and to use a tracker[23:19:17] <capncrunch> that's how most FOSS OS' do torrents[23:19:34] <xenol> OK, it works, but it took some time[23:19:40] <xenol> I can get nice speeds[23:20:44] <DrLou> basically, more seeders is the answer (which gets us back to that pesky ‘more demand’ thing)[23:21:33] <lennard> I don't see why you'd want DHT disabled, but a tracker would be a big plus in my book[23:21:50] <xenol> we will see what the reaction will be and how is it received by the community[23:22:07] <capncrunch> another "quick and dirty" solution to the tracker dilema is to use a public tracker. MINIX uses legittorrents.info as its tracker, i'll look into that tommorow.[23:22:46] <lennard> also, sleep. early work tomorrow![23:22:51] <patdk-wk> xenol, 1 a month is excellent[23:23:48] <xenol> patdk-wk: what do you mean?[23:24:02] <DrLou> one new user, presumably![23:24:04] <patdk-wk> 1 torrent download a month == success![23:24:19] <xenol> ah[23:24:39] <xenol> well, I won't be watching over it. I just let it run. Hopefully, the ratio will go up slowly[23:25:16] <DrLou> capncrunch - mind if I set that up?[23:25:21] <xenol> I should force myself and finish hipster vagrant box[23:25:58] <capncrunch> DrLou: Not at all. Feel free to do whatever you feel is right.[23:26:32] <DrLou> Hah! (that may be way too much latitude…)[23:28:04] <capncrunch> may I complain how OI is running GNOME 2 and not MATE?[23:28:59] <DrLou> ( the guy who runs only server/text is dying to see who answers you… )[23:29:17] <alanc> only if you're volunteering to do all the work to package it[23:29:55] <DrLou> now that capncrunch is fully on board, the build system is next for him![23:31:15] <capncrunch> yeah sure, I'll give it a whirl this weekend.[23:33:09] <DrLou> actually, looking at the moment at simple torrent trackers. Anybody ever used opentracker?[23:33:27] <capncrunch> The pirate bay did for many years[23:34:46] <capncrunch> also, I tried compiling it on build 15a8 but it failed[23:35:09] <DrLou> on include/inttypes…[23:35:30] <capncrunch> i forget what the exact error was, but it was something to do with a parameter 's'[23:35:34] <DrLou> I see a great future for you in the build system… (!)[23:35:43] <xenol> I wouldn't like to run the tracker ourselves, but use some public one if possible[23:35:53] <DrLou> /usr/include/sys/feature_tests.h:194:0: note: this is the location of the previous definition[23:36:35] <DrLou> I’m gonna set up the legittorrents thing - was just exploring[23:36:44] <capncrunch> xenol: as I mentioned earlier, MINIX (a toy operating system) is using legittorrents[23:37:08] <capncrunch> also, if you ever want a morale boost, take a look in the MINIX camp :)[23:37:10] <DrLou> funny, the first 5 things which pop up on LT are BSD[23:38:35] *** capncrunch has quit IRC[23:43:05] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[23:47:33] <DrLou> Legit Torrents may be doing its admin authorizations manually; still waiting...