July 29, 2014 
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eg. socket.h types.h etc?[10:12:49] <tsoome> you need to install them[10:13:08] <mrec> in what package are they?[10:13:11] <mrec> system/header?[10:13:15] <tsoome> pkg search filename will give you package name. also note the math.h is in separate package[10:13:39] <tsoome> and yep, thats the one...[10:29:37] *** MattMan has quit IRC[10:30:24] *** MattMan has joined #openindiana[10:36:02] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #openindiana[10:47:14] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[11:04:09] *** tsoome has quit IRC[11:04:34] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[11:08:24] <tsoome> pkg: size 2133M RSS 1558M :D[11:08:43] <tsoome> wtb silver bullet for it:D[11:18:29] *** kforbz has joined #openindiana[11:22:04] *** sputnik13 has quit IRC[11:24:21] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[11:24:44] *** sputnik13 has joined #openindiana[11:30:57] *** gwr has quit IRC[11:31:52] *** held has joined #openindiana[11:47:20] <mrec> the solaris compiler is not good at all[11:47:30] <tsoome> which one?[11:47:32] <mrec> gcc 4.4.4 ... bugged[11:47:35] <tsoome> and which way?[11:47:42] <mrec> it cannot compile my code[11:48:10] <tsoome> OI (hipster at least) has also gcc 4.7[11:48:32] <tsoome> also, why it cant compile, whats the error about?[11:48:45] <mrec> target_buffer[xdpos+1]=((-0.147*rgb[0]-0.289*rgb[1]+0.436*rgb[2])+(-0.147*rgb[3]-0.289*rgb[4]+0.436*rgb[5]))/2-0x80;[11:48:50] <mrec> assembly issues afterwards[11:49:18] <tsoome> which OI you have btw?[11:49:26] <mrec> illegal mnemonic[11:49:27] <mrec> OI?[11:49:38] <mrec> well I downloaded the latest one[11:49:43] <tsoome> a8?[11:50:26] <mrec> hm it says copyright 2010 Development version (about openindiana)[11:50:38] <mrec> oi_151a0[11:50:52] <mrec> openindiana 5.11 oi_151a8 i86pc i386[11:53:18] <tsoome> seems like a8 yes. well, that tree has 2 versions of gcc, gcc-3 for 3.4.3 and 4.4.4.[11:54:01] <mrec> I'm just compiling the driver for our DVB-C/T/T2/AnalogTV/FM Radio devices on it..[11:54:06] <mrec> and DVB-S/S2..[11:55:16] <tsoome> there is also hipster branch, which has gcc-47 for 4.7.3[11:56:27] <tsoome> you can pkg set-publisher to point to pkg.openindiana.org/hipster, then pkg update, reboot and then you can access gcc 4.7. but hipster itself is a bit more bleeding edge[11:57:14] <mrec> hm I'll just disable the features which don't compile for now[11:57:42] <mrec> no closed captioning support for ATSC devices should not hurt[11:57:47] <tsoome> but from another hand, the illumos (base core of os), is using gcc 4.4.4 — all kernel bits and core userland is built with it.[11:58:20] <tsoome> which ofc does not mean the 4.4.4 is not buggy;)[11:59:22] *** alex2 has quit IRC[12:02:25] <mrec> we crosscompile our code on FreeBSD, Mac and Linux .. gcc 4.4.4 on solaris causes many issues[12:02:49] <mrec> it's getting crosscompiled on linux, but natively on FreeBSD and Mac[12:02:54] <mrec> no issues but openindiana...[12:03:54] <tsoome> the intention is to get ip up for OI base version?[12:04:06] <tsoome> s/ip/it/[12:05:02] <mrec> well it should just work :-)[12:05:24] <tsoome> if its just for sort of proof-of-concept, try hipster and see if gcc 4.7 will do any better, then you can figure out later how to proceed[12:05:30] <mrec> http://sundtek.de/images/nvidia-tvtime.jpg[12:05:35] <mrec> I did that a long time ago already[12:05:49] <tsoome> aye[12:06:22] <mrec> but now since we have new devices .. I'm trying to update it[12:06:31] <tsoome> there is another option as well — you can build your own gcc, but that is one more extra step…[12:06:41] <mrec> I'll try hipster[12:06:46] <tsoome> and not necessarily an pleasent one...[12:06:59] <mrec> I know compiling gcc can be a pain[12:07:45] <tsoome> and if the code is full of gnuisms/gccisms, sunstudio is not an answer as well….[12:08:06] <mrec> well you saw the line of code before that's not gnuish[12:08:14] <mrec> that's just basic C code and 4.4.4 fails on it[12:08:24] <mrec> pkg set-publisher -p http://pkg.openindiana.org/hipster-2014.1[12:08:27] <mrec> that's the correct one?[12:08:29] *** RandomL has joined #openindiana[12:08:42] <Woodstock> mrec: hey :)[12:09:02] <mrec> hi ^^[12:09:17] <mrec> ok that is the wrong link heh[12:09:23] *** micsnare has joined #openindiana[12:10:52] <tsoome> um, i have used just /hipster, i guess 2014.1 is even more recent[12:11:29] <mrec> ok updating :-)[12:11:33] <mrec> Woodstock: how's it going?[12:11:36] <mrec> not with Amazon? ^^[12:11:55] <Woodstock> no, i quit before all that happened and joined nexenta :)[12:12:20] <mrec> good decision![12:12:48] <tsoome> ah, and 2014.1 does have 4.8 as well[12:13:07] <mrec> I still do what I did before but we also started doing the hardware by ourself in Berlin in the meanwhile[12:15:48] <mrec> we have some plan to write some XBMC interface for our driver; so it should be possible to use digital TV on Solaris / openindiana as well[12:15:58] <mrec> I think I read that XBMC is available on it[12:20:12] <Woodstock> i have no idea what xbmc is :)[12:20:45] <mrec> mediacenter ^^[12:23:45] <mrec> Woodstock: what are you working on in your new company?[12:24:07] <Woodstock> mostly drivers and platform stuff[12:24:28] <mrec> for linux?[12:24:43] <Woodstock> no, for illumos[12:28:35] <mrec> hm I'm getting some conflict with SUNWcs at 0 dot 5.11[12:29:47] <Woodstock> what conflict?[12:30:10] <mrec> I can't install gcc-4.7 with that one installed[12:31:03] <Woodstock> thats not supposed to happen :)[12:31:13] <mrec> any way to get around that?[12:31:28] <myrkraverk> something happened at amazon?[12:31:43] <mrec> AMD laid off all the staff back then and they went to Amazon[12:31:48] <mrec> that was years ago[12:31:54] <myrkraverk> Ah.[12:32:24] <mrec> although the better ones did not stay with Amazon[12:32:40] <mrec> I was the first one who quit AMD after a year ^^[12:32:54] <myrkraverk> C:[12:34:32] <mrec> well.. seems like the hipster update is totally failing[12:36:19] *** irker723 has quit IRC[12:36:46] <mrec> is there a better way to get a working compiler on OI?[12:38:13] <Woodstock> i would have expected the oi -> hipster update to just work, but you can always try to just reinstall from a hipster iso[12:39:56] <mrec> ok it's just installed in a VM going to delete it and getting the other one[12:40:09] <Woodstock> that old oi 151aX stuff seems to be dead anyway :-/[12:40:41] <myrkraverk> mrec, What's your criteria for a working compiler?[12:40:49] <myrkraverk> For some stuff, I still use gcc3.[12:40:56] <mrec> target_buffer[xdpos+1]=((-0.147*rgb[0]-0.289*rgb[1]+0.436*rgb[2])+(-0.147*rgb[3]-0.289*rgb[4]+0.436*rgb[5]))/2-0x80;[12:41:02] <mrec> to be able to handle something like that ^^[12:41:10] *** BobLu has quit IRC[12:41:13] <mrec> and there are many other issues with it[12:41:27] <mrec> the code compiles fine on Linux, Mac, FreeBSD[12:42:24] <myrkraverk> mrec, many other issues with? the code?[12:42:38] <mrec> yes[12:43:02] <mrec> I started to remove features for it but doesn't matter I deleted it already and getting the newer one[12:43:18] <myrkraverk> Ah. What compiler are you using now? gcc3, something else?[12:43:27] <mrec> I was using gcc-4.4.4[12:43:44] <mrec> I don't remember having such issues in the past with 4.x[12:44:15] <mrec> also the -g flag produced issues[12:44:19] <myrkraverk> Ah. yeah, the gcc 444 is only "officially" for the kernel, or gate. I've had issues with user apps with it too.[12:44:40] <myrkraverk> So try gcc3 and/or other gcc4.[12:45:05] <mrec> I'm just updating now.[12:45:18] <myrkraverk> ok.[12:48:58] <Woodstock> you're really not supposed to use that gcc 4.4.4 for anything but building illumos-gate. thats also why it's called illumos-gcc :)[12:50:10] <myrkraverk> Well, yes. It works sometimes, but when it fails, it's "not our fault" ;p[12:51:54] <tsoome> imo the illumos-gate should get around that damn gcc already.[12:52:44] <Woodstock> feel free to work on it :->[12:53:02] <tsoome> its the same old story about integrating some of gnu and sticking with that ancient version for ever. and then wonder why people find such behaviour to be unfriendly[12:53:06] <tsoome> :D[12:53:48] <tsoome> well, i do have my hands full at the moment:)[12:54:11] <myrkraverk> tsoome, that's only part of it. We also need some custom gcc patches, and they haven't been upstreamed yet.[12:54:13] <tsoome> an i am bitten by 4.4.4 as well[12:54:24] <tsoome> s/an/and/[12:55:50] <tsoome> sorry for being a bit grumpy;)[12:57:34] <Woodstock> i don't see why anyone can be bitten by this old 4.4.4 when it is stated clearly that you're not supposed to use it. it isn't even included in any default paths or anything.[13:00:03] <mrec> Woodstock: well I installed it from the default image[13:00:14] <mrec> there was no other compiler available. gcc-3.x is no option anymore[13:00:22] <tsoome> some asm bits in grub2 do not like 4.4.4, which is not problem by itself, as it can be set up to use different gcc, but that in turn does imply you have the more recent gcc around.[13:00:40] <Woodstock> mrec: yes, but you're new to all that, so it's not your fault to be confused :)[13:00:57] <mrec> the distribution should immediately add a better version which is suitable for userland applications[13:01:31] <myrkraverk> So true.[13:01:34] <mrec> I agree, however if the goal is to attract more developers it should just work ^^[13:01:40] <Woodstock> tsoome: well, then you can either fix those asm parts, or port the illumos patches to a newer gcc.[13:02:13] <myrkraverk> I've been using OI now for 2-3 years and accumulated lot of cruft, one is that my "default" compiler is gcc3.[13:02:31] *** Seony has quit IRC[13:02:38] <myrkraverk> I thought it was still available, if you really wanted it. Maybe I'm wrong ;c[13:02:39] <Woodstock> mrec: thats what hipster does. maybe the links to the a8 stuff should be removed if it's no longer maintained.[13:06:44] *** cyberspace- has quit IRC[13:07:40] *** sjorge has quit IRC[13:08:26] *** cyberspace- has joined #openindiana[13:10:21] <mrec> heh[13:10:32] <mrec> hipster is that serious??[13:10:34] <mrec> grub>[13:10:43] <mrec> that's the liveCD ??[13:10:46] <Woodstock> wow[13:11:10] <tsoome> something went bad apparently[13:11:13] <mrec> 800mb for a grub shell[13:11:20] <myrkraverk> Ouch.[13:11:54] <tsoome> was it 2014.1 or just /hipster ?[13:12:18] <mrec> ok, it's still downloading my fault![13:12:22] <Woodstock> lol[13:12:32] <tsoome> eh:D[13:12:34] <mrec> :-)[13:12:53] <mrec> 89%[13:15:57] <myrkraverk> Hahahaha.[13:16:09] <mrec> that looks better![13:19:32] <alp> mrec: If I remember correctly after installing from new install CD you should update "entire" or it will fix package versions (or stick with older packages, which can be not so bad)[13:20:25] <mrec> ok thanks![13:26:47] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[13:32:01] <mrec> Woodstock: is joro still in Dresden?[13:32:32] *** gwr has quit IRC[13:41:04] <Woodstock> mrec: he spends most of his time near bremen these days[13:41:56] <mrec> so he split up with his girlfriend?[14:05:23] <Woodstock> he now has one near bremen :)[14:10:22] <mrec> heh[14:17:37] <mrec> the new image with the new compiler seems to work better now[14:21:54] <myrkraverk> Great. what compiler are you using now?[14:24:00] <mrec> 4.7[14:27:00] <alendelon> what branch to choose for production?[14:28:19] <tsoome> the one which is working best for you:D[14:29:58] <mrec> so nice not a single modification needed[14:30:20] <tsoome> till you hit another gcc bug:D[14:30:41] <tsoome> or your own bug:D[14:31:28] *** yalu has quit IRC[14:33:13] *** yalu has joined #openindiana[14:33:28] *** merzo has quit IRC[14:33:57] <mrec> easy to get some multimediastack to solaris now :-)[14:33:57] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[14:34:14] <mrec> solaris/openindiana[14:37:12] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[14:42:04] <Woodstock> mrec: it's called illumos these days :)[14:45:27] <mrec> 2014-07-29 14:44:55 [3050] Running on SunOS (5.11)[14:45:27] <mrec> 2014-07-29 14:44:55 [3050] Detected: GenuineIntel[14:45:27] <mrec> 2014-07-29 14:44:55 [3050] This CPU supports: MMX, SSE, SSE2[14:45:33] <mrec> that's what I wanted to see :-)[14:46:34] *** alex1 has joined #openindiana[14:50:19] <Woodstock> :)[15:11:14] *** micsnare has quit IRC[15:29:17] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[15:29:22] *** alendelon has quit IRC[15:35:02] *** gwr has quit IRC[15:47:35] *** ekix has quit IRC[15:57:53] *** arielb has joined #openindiana[16:03:03] *** eki has joined #openindiana[16:17:55] *** jwit has quit IRC[16:18:03] *** jwit has joined #openindiana[16:22:56] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[16:52:28] *** sputnik13 has quit IRC[17:08:27] *** robinsmidsrod has quit IRC[17:10:19] *** robinsmidsrod has joined #openindiana[17:25:08] *** alendelon has joined #openindiana[17:28:44] *** rfm has joined #openindiana[17:28:57] *** psychicist_ has joined #openindiana[17:29:01] *** psychici1t_ has joined #openindiana[17:30:51] *** alcir has quit IRC[17:32:18] *** psychici1t_ has quit IRC[17:33:43] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[17:35:24] *** freakazoid0223 has left #openindiana[17:40:43] *** tinuva has quit IRC[17:41:51] *** tinuva has joined #openindiana[17:49:41] *** dubf_ is now known as dubf[17:53:51] *** psychicist_ has quit IRC[17:57:50] *** psychicist_ has joined #openindiana[18:00:48] <mrec> hmm weird I rebooted the VM and gcc inside the VM is gone[18:00:57] <mrec> everything I installed inside the VM is gone[18:03:34] *** held has quit IRC[18:03:38] *** merzo has quit IRC[18:04:08] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[18:08:05] <tsoome> booted to wrong BE?[18:08:41] *** alex1 has quit IRC[18:08:50] <mrec> no idea installing it again[18:09:11] <tsoome> beadm list;)[18:09:28] <Woodstock> mrec: non-persistent virtual hard disk? :)[18:09:51] <mrec> that is what I wonder about[18:24:53] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[18:37:36] *** Seemone has quit IRC[18:53:29] *** sputnik13 has joined #openindiana[19:13:05] *** xenol has quit IRC[19:29:10] *** Uni has quit IRC[19:31:20] *** nemysis has quit IRC[19:42:39] *** Uni has joined #openindiana[19:46:11] *** kforbz has quit IRC[19:46:24] *** Bastian82 has joined #openindiana[19:46:46] *** Savis has joined #openindiana[19:46:59] *** kforbz has joined #openindiana[19:49:37] *** merzo has quit IRC[20:16:17] *** jevgeniug has quit IRC[20:21:23] *** yurip has quit IRC[20:29:24] *** theason has quit IRC[20:35:52] *** yurip has joined #openindiana[20:37:48] *** Uni has quit IRC[20:43:23] *** Bastian82 has quit IRC[20:46:50] *** Uni has joined #openindiana[20:53:09] *** theason has joined #openindiana[20:55:53] *** Uni has quit IRC[20:58:33] *** Uni has joined #openindiana[21:09:50] *** held has joined #openindiana[21:28:09] *** kforbz_ has joined #openindiana[21:30:32] *** kforbz_ has quit IRC[21:36:02] *** alanc has quit IRC[21:36:27] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[21:36:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[21:51:59] *** alendelon has quit IRC[21:58:59] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[22:25:49] *** shath_ has quit IRC[22:26:22] *** Alasdairr has quit IRC[22:27:25] *** Alasdairrr has joined #openindiana[22:27:25] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Alasdairrr[22:54:47] *** xenol has joined #openindiana[23:14:33] *** jaimef has quit IRC[23:16:50] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[23:22:04] *** irker615 has joined #openindiana[23:22:04] <irker615> spec-files-extra [5826] tom68 SFEperl-date-manip.spec: bump to 6.46 (other download unavailable)[23:23:41] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[23:25:29] *** nemysis has joined #openindiana[23:28:54] *** gwr has quit IRC[23:37:32] *** FlyingJester has joined #openindiana[23:37:45] <FlyingJester> What is the name of the FAT fs tools package?[23:41:26] *** jasonjwwilliams has joined #openindiana[23:44:17] <jasonjwwilliams> Have an older system running oi_151a with several zones no problem. Installed a new zone with no issue, but when I boot it for the first time it never brings up the the configuration wizard…never gets past this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/578560879bd586917860[23:44:20] <jasonjwwilliams> Any ideas?[23:45:16] <FlyingJester> How long have you let it sit?[23:45:41] <jasonjwwilliams> About 30 minutes or more.[23:45:55] <jasonjwwilliams> Tried halting/uninstalling and reinstalling.