July 24, 2014 
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July 24, 2014 [00:02:37] *** jaimef has quit IRC[00:06:16] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[00:06:18] *** gwr_ has quit IRC[00:27:57] <FlyingJester> How would I install Solaris Studio from the tarball?[00:44:03] <Woodstock> tar xf tarball.tar[00:44:25] <FlyingJester> I did that.[00:44:32] <FlyingJester> I have no idea how to use pkg, though.[00:51:04] *** atrius has quit IRC[00:52:50] <Patrickdk> why are you installing soalris studio?[00:55:13] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[00:59:29] *** Botanic has quit IRC[01:02:30] <FlyingJester> Why wouldn't I install Solaris Studio?[01:03:21] *** atrius has joined #openindiana[01:04:04] <Patrickdk> does anything still use it?[01:04:14] <Patrickdk> pretty it's been dropped[01:04:28] <FlyingJester> I want to use it to compile my own code.[01:04:46] <FlyingJester> I don't want to use GCC because that's boring.[01:04:50] <Patrickdk> odd, ok[01:04:58] <FlyingJester> I didn't install OpenIndiana to use GCC.[01:05:06] <Patrickdk> guess if you need to run it on a sparc system[01:05:53] <Patrickdk> just odd to see someone running to sstudio, when everyone else is running away[01:06:24] <FlyingJester> Well, maybe that's part of the point.[01:06:34] <FlyingJester> Use Solaris Studio while it's still alive and kicking.[01:06:48] <FlyingJester> While it still has up-to-date language support.[01:07:32] <FlyingJester> Before everyone puts on their GCC suits and does everything the same way everywhere all the time.[01:11:58] *** atrius has quit IRC[01:15:41] *** atrius has joined #openindiana[01:56:41] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[02:00:00] *** sputnik13 has quit IRC[02:02:38] *** gwr_ has joined #openindiana[02:09:05] *** nemysis has quit IRC[02:14:26] *** FlyingJester has quit IRC[02:28:48] *** DrLou has quit IRC[02:29:56] *** DrLou has joined #openindiana[02:29:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrLou[02:41:00] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[02:53:39] *** rocketeer has quit IRC[02:53:59] *** nemysis has joined 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has quit IRC[04:54:53] *** triffid has joined #openindiana[05:00:05] *** triffid has left #openindiana[05:03:38] *** mixomathoze has quit IRC[05:08:21] *** FlyingJester has joined #openindiana[05:08:37] <FlyingJester> Is it possible to run XSun on OpenIndiana?[05:08:40] *** triffid has joined #openindiana[05:09:29] *** triffid has left #openindiana[05:10:06] *** mixomathoze has joined #openindiana[05:21:14] *** psychicist_ has joined #openindiana[05:31:46] *** BobLu has quit IRC[05:45:33] <alanc> it might work if you ported it and found drivers for it, but I'm not aware of anyone doing that yet[05:46:01] <alanc> not very useful though, since Xorg has better driver support than Xsun for approximately 100% of x86/x64 graphics devices[05:55:02] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[05:56:08] *** basic6_ has joined #openindiana[05:56:12] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[06:00:35] *** basic6 has quit IRC[06:06:53] *** BobLu has quit IRC[07:12:41] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[07:19:05] *** 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has quit IRC[09:20:46] *** gosx has quit IRC[09:28:44] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[09:33:52] *** nikolam has quit IRC[09:33:53] *** nikolam_ has joined #openindiana[09:35:30] *** BobLu has quit IRC[09:45:37] *** BobLu has joined #openindiana[10:04:37] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[10:13:07] *** Vutral has quit IRC[10:22:17] *** cyberspace- has quit IRC[10:22:25] *** nikolam_ is now known as nikolam[10:25:14] *** cyberspace- has joined #openindiana[10:38:45] <nikolam> all it needs to make machine stall is to run 'pfexec baobab' in the background and wonder why every operation with disk is working in snail speed.[10:39:57] <tsoome> lol[11:03:26] *** gosx has joined #openindiana[11:13:18] *** BobLu has quit IRC[11:31:24] <madwizard> Coffee?[11:32:04] <Seemone> sure, where do we meet?[11:34:28] *** held has quit IRC[11:40:39] *** held has joined #openindiana[11:41:49] <madwizard> Here[11:48:34] <Seemone> it will take ~15hrs by car from here[11:48:50] <Seemone> coffee at 2am doesn't seem a good idea[11:49:01] <lblume> Decaf.[11:49:06] <Seemone> bleah[11:49:57] <JT-EC> You'll need proper coffee for the drive back.[11:51:24] <Seemone> the old "let's go to Warsaw for a coffee"[11:51:37] <Seemone> btw is there good espresso in Poland?[11:58:54] <madwizard> Of course[12:03:19] <madwizard> Seemone: 15 hours? Where from?[12:03:25] <Seemone> turin[12:04:40] <madwizard> 12 hours[12:04:47] <madwizard> To me, I'm not in Warsaw :)[12:04:58] <lblume> There are planes in Turin, too.[12:06:54] <madwizard> lblume: there's no direct flight to here, so you're not much better of with planes :)[12:07:02] <madwizard> lblume: coffee?[12:07:03] <Seemone> madwizard: the first ip geolocalizator I found just told me you're in Poland, nothing more. Warsaw is a good guess both for population density and geographical location. I shortened it by half an hour becuase I know the population distribution is skewed in approximately my direction[12:07:13] <madwizard> :)[12:07:21] <Seemone> also, I wanted a quick time, so I went to google maps :)[12:07:39] <Seemone> disclaimer: my wife is a quarter polish[12:08:06] <madwizard> Which quarter? :)[12:08:39] <lblume> madwizard: Lunch first![12:09:02] <lblume> then coffee. I've got a bunch of multicolored George doses.[12:11:39] <Seemone> her paternal grandpa fought in Cassino during WW2 after being deported from Poland to some *stan, then to the current Israel where he joined the General Anders army. After fighting in Italy he met a certain lady in Turin while finishing high school, and the rest is history :)[12:12:02] <madwizard> Heh :)[12:12:57] <Seemone> incredible story btw. his father was killed in the Katyn affair[12:14:24] <madwizard> So your Wife has a very interesting famili line, Katyn was a massacre of military elite[12:14:34] <madwizard> Most bright and promising officers[12:14:57] <Seemone> his grand grand father was a policeman when russians invaded. their hometown is currently in Ukraine[12:32:52] <Seemone> I saw a movie about it and it said that since everyone with a degree was automatically an officers it effectively decapitated the whole nation[12:32:59] <Seemone> an officer*[12:51:41] *** Seony has quit IRC[12:55:23] <nikolam> and what it have to do with Openindiana? Let's not call Martin on you ;P[12:55:35] <tsoome> :D[12:57:58] <Seemone> Martin as in George R. R. Martin and he'll kill us?[12:58:29] <tsoome> he will only write it down;)[13:00:37] <nikolam> Seemone, Martin is author of OpenSXCE illumos distro, quite nice distro actually, uses svr5 .pkg packages. Also SPARC release, Je also ported KernelMode settings to dilos/illumos. And Oh, yes he is against Fascists in Kiev of course.[13:01:42] <tsoome> there are Fascists in Kiev?[13:02:33] <Woodstock> they are everywhere these days[13:02:38] <tsoome> i didn’t knew putin dogs got there already[13:02:56] <Seemone> is he against fascists in kiev or is he against fascists in kiev?[13:03:05] <nikolam> tsoome, it is offtopic, but they got to power in the spring, unelected and supported by US, havent'you heard they also shot down that civilian jet?[13:03:32] <Seemone> (now we're _really_ about to go offtopic…)[13:03:51] <tsoome> I did not know US manufacturing BUK systems.[13:03:51] <nikolam> Yeah death to fascists. End offtopic.[13:04:07] <nikolam> tsoome, they are just paying for their use.[13:07:06] <madwizard> nikolam: US? Being that close to Russian and Ukarine border I am, I heard that Russia is paying for that[13:07:08] <tsoome> yea well. i suggest you to try to think about what you listen/read. the russian sources are not really the best source of information you wanna believe. especially if you have any respect to human lives.[13:07:44] <madwizard> I also read in Russian press that Poles fight and trained Ukrainian terrorists[13:07:50] <Seemone> in soviet russia sources check you[13:07:54] <madwizard> :D[13:07:55] <nikolam> madwizard, as I know Blackwater is ther all the time... and as I know Uk. gold is evacuated few weeks after cue. :P[13:09:15] *** BurnerGR has joined #openindiana[13:09:36] <nikolam> US has no sources. just 'social network' on internet as I heard :P Yes, I heard Poles are flying jet, you know those that follow civilian jets.[13:09:39] <madwizard> I don't want to carry on with this thread. Just living quite few years in a country that was forced to friendship with UUSR I see enough of current Russian government to know that not everything you hear and read is truth, especially when you "are there"[13:09:43] <madwizard> Anyway[13:09:52] <madwizard> Time to upgrade hipster, I believe[13:10:03] <nikolam> Oh no more offtopic. OK.[13:10:46] <nikolam> madwizard, how you know when to upgrade, when we don't have update manager anymore :P Watching jenkins?[13:11:02] <madwizard> nikolam: I just run refresh and update every day :P[13:11:43] <nikolam> Btw, I mentioned updates after June 12th destroyed my Gnome for my account. It just crash everything. With other account it (mostly) works.[13:12:23] <nikolam> bah. we need automatic updates and updatemanager gui resurrected at the end, sooner or later.[13:13:09] <lblume> madwizard: *now* is the time for coffee.[13:13:15] <madwizard> lblume: +1[13:13:29] <madwizard> lblume: The time for coffee is always "now" :P[13:13:33] <Seemone> :)[13:13:35] <lblume> True[13:13:39] <tsoome> you can always run pkg update -nv (in cron)[13:14:17] <Seemone> * * * * *[13:14:20] <nikolam> :P or maybe lunch tsoome I would rather cut off my leg then let it do it by itself.[13:14:47] <tsoome> ? you wanna check about those flags;)[13:15:09] <myrkraverk> tsoome, I wouldn't dare to run update in cron c;[13:15:14] <nikolam> yeah, especially false ones :P[13:16:19] <nikolam> On the other hand, pkg always politely make snapshot before updating :P For testing/laptop/Hipster, could be same as setting update manager to do it by itself.[13:16:52] <myrkraverk> I've always done pkg update, even though it's the gui icon that notifies me of updates.[13:17:21] <nikolam> beacuse... who believes in GUI :P[13:17:25] <myrkraverk> C:[13:17:34] *** rocketeer has quit IRC[13:19:56] *** rocketeer has joined #openindiana[13:22:10] <madwizard> :D[13:22:14] <myrkraverk> Now I just wonder if anyone would be willing to sponsor the gui tool.[13:22:37] <myrkraverk> Because, I don't. I don't even thing I'd want be paid to do it.[13:22:38] <nikolam> I would like to have it back[13:22:50] <myrkraverk> *think[13:23:33] <nikolam> As I know, Orcl removed it for some reason and they also expect otside contribution to have it back for s12[13:23:49] <tsoome> *only* positive thing about that tool was the quick way to browse dependencies. thats it.[13:24:23] <nikolam> I like it, it also provides easy way of discovering new apps etc[13:26:16] <myrkraverk> nikolam, That seems a strange way to "fund" something. Just drop it and expect someone else to do it.[13:28:48] <tsoome> the reason to drop is same - outdated python with no resources to ring it up to date. so simple it is.[13:29:06] <tsoome> s/ring/bring/[13:30:14] <nikolam> Anyway, if funding means paying someone to do it, it is a valid idea , yet i got impression people use that as last resource.[13:35:44] *** Seemone has quit IRC[13:38:22] <madwizard> We'd better spend funds on bringin up python up to date[13:40:21] <madwizard> But there seems no one interested enough[13:40:44] * Patrickdk has zero interest in python[13:46:19] <nikolam> hmm I heard orcl/Solaris people use Python more and more for some s12 internals[13:47:07] <tsoome> i have never understood that love against python, altho i can see why in some cases it can be useful.[13:49:12] <lblume> Syntax more readable than perl and available on many systems?[13:49:47] <myrkraverk> python has its dark sides too.[13:49:55] <tsoome> i guess we should be thankful they did not pick perl for the purpose:P[13:50:47] <lblume> Exactly.[13:51:04] <tsoome> hm, i guess alanc is sleeping?[13:51:14] <myrkraverk> That't be a fair bet, yes.[13:51:49] <nikolam> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=python+solaris[13:51:50] <lblume> And that they realized that their Java experiment was an utter failure, too (though I blame more the sheer incompetence of whomever Sun chose than Java itself)[13:52:23] <tsoome> java experiment?[13:52:33] <tsoome> are you referring to the smc?[13:52:55] <myrkraverk> lblume, well, orcl doesn't have a good track record with java itself now.[13:53:17] <nikolam> Cython is using it to translate it into C..[13:53:23] <lblume> tsoome: To Update Manager. Forgot it already?[13:53:43] <tsoome> oracle is rather famous about their DB installer application….[13:54:00] <tsoome> ah, the update manager...[13:54:01] <myrkraverk> tsoome, in a good, or bad way?[13:54:19] <tsoome> guess?;)[13:54:23] <myrkraverk> C:[13:54:32] <madwizard> C:\[13:55:11] <tsoome> and i really “love” how they are pushing their clusterware shit to poor unsuspecting clients…[13:55:23] <lblume> No.[13:55:25] <madwizard> Oracle? It has poor clients?[13:55:27] <lblume> Not to *poor* clients.[13:55:35] <myrkraverk> Hahaha.[13:55:36] <tsoome> :D[13:55:57] <tsoome> well, not poor, unlucky;)[13:55:59] <madwizard> And by now, they're not unsuspecting[13:56:53] <myrkraverk> Policies like "will not buy anything from oracle" aren't surprising. And yes, from what I've heard, they exist.[13:56:59] <lblume> I've just had an Oracle salesentity on the phone the other day. Believe me, they don't do bother hard when you're not rich and eager to throw money out of the windows.[13:57:39] <nikolam> hehe, understandable.[13:57:44] <tsoome> we have same policy against HP[13:58:21] <lblume> The guy didn't even bother to send me the email he would. Not even fsking pretending to care.[13:59:51] <tsoome> well, if you are set to bring in X amount of money (or get fired), you will start to think where you will spend your time.[14:00:01] * nikolam was reading some old horror stories about trying to purchase sun hardware in 2000's They didn't bother to even sell under some valuse.[14:00:24] <lblume> I can confirm that.[14:02:56] <lblume> I worked in a place where they had a bid for a supercomputer in the mid 2000's (TOP500, million euro kind of thing), and still had a lot of Sun love. Sun was reached, but did not bother to apply for it. I heard later from their sales that they were «too busy, had no time».[14:04:11] <tsoome> thats how sales and management can kill good company.[14:04:18] <tsoome> or rather, mismanagement[14:04:25] <myrkraverk> exactly.[14:05:53] <nikolam> So to conclude, sales is important. Even for free to use project. Someone must sell damn thing to someone new. :P[14:07:01] <myrkraverk> Yeah. And if OI development funds are found somewhere, please talk to me, I'll expect to be searching for some job in one to two months time.[14:07:04] <tsoome> thats exactly why EMC has been so successful. their stuff is quite crap (at least sometimes;), but they still sell it.[14:10:36] <lblume> Being excellent or crap is not necessarily relevant. What matters is fitting the customer's needs (not that the customers themselves are always aware of what their needs are...)[14:10:45] <nikolam> myrkraverk, well it is interesing to have ready-made teams that can do some projects, and that are contributing to distro at the same time.[14:11:07] <nikolam> that's it. lblume[14:11:52] <tsoome> ahm, that reminds me i should peek inside caiman sources a bit….[14:19:39] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[14:23:30] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[14:24:31] *** Seemone has joined #openindiana[14:36:10] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[15:30:15] *** alendelon has quit IRC[15:32:40] *** nikolam has quit IRC[15:39:20] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:41:16] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[15:45:27] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[15:56:36] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:14:03] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:35:09] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:56:24] *** rfm has joined #openindiana[17:03:10] *** MattMan has quit IRC[17:04:11] *** MattMan has joined #openindiana[17:20:12] *** sebasp__ is now known as sebasp_[17:20:42] *** sebasp_ is now known as sebasp__[17:22:28] *** sebasp has quit IRC[17:22:29] *** sebasp__ has quit IRC[17:26:06] *** held has quit IRC[17:31:45] *** alex3 has quit IRC[17:33:15] *** arielb has joined #openindiana[18:05:58] *** Seemone has quit IRC[18:08:45] *** sputnik13 has joined #openindiana[18:20:01] *** RandomL has joined #openindiana[18:21:49] *** ball has joined #openindiana[18:22:37] *** jaimef has quit IRC[18:25:40] *** FlyingJester has quit IRC[18:28:45] *** Hedonisto has joined #openindiana[18:30:54] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[18:56:07] *** psychicist_ has joined #openindiana[19:05:04] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[19:07:14] *** rfm has quit IRC[19:24:08] *** eryc has quit IRC[19:24:16] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:24:57] *** eryc has joined #openindiana[19:52:36] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[20:32:39] *** sputnik13 has quit IRC[20:33:46] *** sputnik13 has joined #openindiana[20:34:59] *** eki has quit IRC[20:58:58] *** arielb has quit IRC[21:11:00] *** held has joined #openindiana[21:12:13] *** jaimef has quit IRC[21:12:58] *** sputnik13 has quit IRC[21:16:12] *** sputnik13 has joined #openindiana[21:17:24] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[21:26:48] *** eki has joined #openindiana[21:38:34] *** Scall has quit IRC[21:41:28] *** sputnik13 has quit IRC[21:41:44] *** sputnik13 has joined #openindiana[21:44:15] *** Scall has joined #openindiana[22:04:23] *** ball has quit IRC[22:04:33] *** ball has joined #openindiana[22:04:57] *** ball is now known as Guest83037[22:05:06] *** Guest83037 is now known as lopta[22:38:09] *** Kelzier has joined #openindiana[22:57:30] *** nemysis has quit IRC[23:00:33] *** nemysis has joined #openindiana[23:01:48] *** nemysis has quit IRC[23:04:41] *** nemysis has joined #openindiana[23:27:57] *** lopta has quit IRC[23:41:56] *** movement__ is now known as movement[23:44:35] *** Kelzier has quit IRC[23:54:47] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana