September 27, 2013 
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I tried "test" on input, and yup, system slowly ground to a halt.[04:32:45] <DanaG> I suppose I should mention my audio hardware: Asus Xonar U3 (USB sound card).[04:36:15] <nikolam> DanaG, aha, please report a bug, mentioning driver and gstreamer as a target.[04:37:13] <DanaG> Last night the same thing happend with PulseAudio, both with OSS and Sun backends.[04:37:53] *** davenz has quit IRC[04:39:59] <nikolam> DanaG, also say if it is Hipster, what hipster (uname -a and beadm BE date) of OI 151a7 or 8[04:40:15] <nikolam> Also last time flash player worked was 151a7.[04:41:02] <DanaG> HIpster is not enabled at the moment.[04:41:47] <nikolam> I see I can't upgrade it for some time now[04:43:02] *** alex1 has joined #openindiana[04:44:09] <DanaG> Last time I tried hipster (a few days ago), it dropped my system into recovery, with neither bge0 nor lo0 present.[04:45:07] <nikolam> uh, I have bge0 working, but BE date is 2013-09-11 06:31[04:45:42] <nikolam> strange. that is, like illumos thing and he gets updated automatically in Hipster I think, when new illumos comes[04:46:09] <DanaG> See my comments here: http://echelog.com/logs/browse/openindiana/1379973600[04:46:34] <nikolam> "keep your BE snapshots" / beadm create[04:50:59] <nikolam> Yeah, someone wise would say that #oi-dev is for Hipster and that no server should use Hipster. And to have KVM over IP, if experimenting with possibly non-booting BEs[04:51:31] <nikolam> I personally worked fine with Hipster, thus far, untill it stopped updating for me (some pkg error)[04:51:44] <nikolam> except lack of flash..[04:52:21] <nikolam> e.g. it worked just fine in a7 and then something happened (dunno if packages or illumos)[04:53:35] *** szaydel has quit IRC[04:56:16] *** szaydel has joined #openindiana[04:57:28] <DanaG> nikolam: I have an ASPEED (more like ASLOW) in my HP Microserver, but I have a monitor attached to it anyway.[04:57:48] <DanaG> If I were doing a new server now, I'd go with Intel vPro. Real freaking VNC server, none of this Java crap.[05:03:55] <nikolam> DanaG, "Java" is just a brand name. JDS. It is actually just GNOME.[05:05:11] <nikolam> At system>preferences>desktop sharing you can set to remotely log in. try it.[05:06:09] <DanaG> no, what I mean is: ASPEED KVM uses a horrid Java-based viewer. Intel has a real VNC server.[05:06:46] <nikolam> ah. ok[05:07:19] <nikolam> is vPro integrated in motherboard?[05:07:37] <nikolam> like, you get KVM over IP?[05:08:34] <DanaG> Yes, assuming you're using the Intel integrated graphics.[05:14:39] *** yenifer has joined #openindiana[05:17:39] <DanaG> Hmm, I have two blank 3TB drives I want to add to my pool, but I'm not sure whether I should try to create a slice on the raw disk, or use partitions first.[05:25:26] *** yenifer has quit IRC[05:27:46] *** gm152 has quit IRC[05:29:16] *** Anton_ has quit IRC[05:37:07] *** Anton_ has joined #openindiana[05:38:12] <DanaG> I'm trying to compile the 'netifaces' python extension, and it's saying "you need to add code for your platform", even though it claims Solaris (and OI) support.[05:39:03] <DanaG> hmm, I guess only partially using the pkgsrc gcc is not going to work. =/[05:57:44] <DanaG> d'oh... red herring. Real problem: I changed hostname, but not /etc/hosts. D'oh.[06:08:58] <DanaG> oh, and Google makes it really annoying to find stuff related to OpenIndiana. It ignores the 'Indiana' part of the name. That's like giving somebody a bag of nuts when they ask for a donut![06:09:07] <herzen> "the pkgsrc gcc"? what's that?[06:12:37] <Woodstock> thats a gcc that comes from pkgsrc, most likely from lang/gcc47[06:15:17] <herzen> why would anyone on OI use that instead of the native gcc-47 that's in hipster?[06:15:33] <herzen> that works perfectly fine for me.[06:15:59] <Woodstock> maybe because they aren't running hipster[06:16:23] *** joltman has quit IRC[06:18:48] *** yenifer has joined #openindiana[06:19:21] *** yenifer has left #openindiana[06:23:03] <DanaG> My original problem was 'coherence' listening on 127.0.0.1. I made it work by taking my hostname out of /etc/hosts... but better would've been to have found a working 'netifaces'.[06:25:00] *** szaydel has quit IRC[06:25:43] <DanaG> Who knows what that /etc/hosts change will do to other software.[06:27:26] <DanaG> Last time I tried hipster, I got the system failing to bood -- some odd library error. Maybe I'll try again, now that I know I can always boot the alternate bootenv.[06:33:05] <herzen> I heard bad things about hipster, which is why I kept from updating to it. I did however get gcc-47, and then I got confused when something didn't build witth that. it took me a while to figure out that the problem was that OI dev/ has outdated developer utilities.[06:33:29] <herzen> updating to hipster solved my problem.[06:36:32] <DanaG> oh yeah, and how can I make audio devices accessible by all users, persistently? I tried editing usb_as and usb_ac in /etc/minor_perm, but that didn't do it.[06:36:50] <pjama> Hey nikolam: You can get flash working in hipster/FF 17 ESR by reverting to version 10_1_102[06:37:01] <pjama> other FF versions are probably the same.[06:37:33] <pjama> It's a retrograde step but the only way to get it flash working.[06:37:38] <DanaG> Oh, and my firefox on non-Hipster segfaults, even in safe mode. Something to do with postgres, maybe.[06:37:49] <DanaG> or rather, maybe sqlite, rather.[06:38:52] <pjama> I also installed flashblock extension to easily enable/disable the flash plugin in thos times you "need" flash"[06:39:15] <pjama> most times, particularly with youtube the HTML5 player will kick in[06:39:48] <DanaG> pjama: You can also set plugins.click_to_play to True, in about:config.[06:40:27] <pjama> but would that aply to *all* plugins then?[06:40:54] <DanaG> I believe so. Flash and Java yes, not sure what else is even used nowadays.[06:42:45] <pjama> another ugly hack I use is to bvi edit/"update" the version number in the libflashplayer.so to stop FF nagging you about an out of date version.[06:42:56] <pjama> Ugly ugly hack but stops the nagging[06:43:29] <pjama> DanaG, thanks for that I'll give it a try and see how it compares[06:44:51] <DanaG> One of my co-workers ranted about the new VMware vsphere client. You have a choice of Firefox, with old Flash, or Chrome, that (rightfully) disallows grabbing modifier keys.[06:50:33] *** Vutral has quit IRC[06:52:26] <alanc> DanaG: you'd need to remove audio devices from /etc/logindevperm to avoid them being chown'ed to whoever logs in on console[06:53:50] <DanaG> Done that, and /dev/dsp (or rather, the ultimate link target) stays root:root, 600.[06:54:25] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[06:55:55] <DanaG> er, wait, I think my chmod may have stuck around; not sure if I rebooted since then.[07:12:50] *** basic6 has joined #openindiana[07:13:37] *** Cenbe_ has quit IRC[07:13:55] *** Cenbe has joined #openindiana[07:14:52] *** basic6_ has quit IRC[07:35:03] <DanaG> cool, hipster isn't broken, this time.[07:40:19] <DanaG> hmm, my current drive setup: two 2TB drives. I have two new 3TB drives, and was going to switch to them... but it's probably better to buy two more, and make it a 4-drive raid-Z. Just not sure whether to do one-drive redundancy, or two-drive redundancy.[07:57:46] <DanaG> hmm, that "napp-it" thing seems kind of buggy. It lists one of my drives twice, one copy of which it claims belongs to pool "" (empty string). Also, it hides the logs too damn quickly.[08:00:03] <DanaG> dangit, something readded 127.0.0.1 to hosts.[08:03:21] <DanaG> Aaand, netifaces still won't build.[08:04:11] *** gwr has quit IRC[08:15:01] *** rfm has quit IRC[08:24:27] *** tommy_e has joined #openindiana[08:39:45] *** shruti has joined #openindiana[08:43:44] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[08:46:41] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[08:51:56] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:18:30] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[09:20:02] *** texarcana has quit IRC[09:22:01] *** texarcana has joined #openindiana[09:24:12] *** Seemone has joined #openindiana[09:25:48] <DanaG> Hey, I got netifaces to install. 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