September 20, 2013 
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September 20, 2013 [00:01:15] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[00:02:52] *** the_TORmentor has joined #openindiana[00:04:03] *** alp has joined #openindiana[00:06:21] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[00:06:22] *** the_TORmentor has joined #openindiana[00:10:56] *** nikolam has quit IRC[00:21:17] <alp> A package manager eating 440MB of RAM... This is on VM with 1GB RAM... Who has proposed to write IPS in Python? :)[00:23:18] <mahomet> using more ram = more efficient :)[00:23:25] <mahomet> no point not using the RAM[00:26:25] <alp> I just don't know what's wrong but every Linux package manager is marginally faster (APT/YUM/ even zypper). And requires less RAM[00:27:35] <tsoome> im not sure the pkg got ant attention after opensolaris split[00:27:36] <alp> ... much faster...[00:28:15] <tsoome> im not too sure but i think i got quite some workout in s11[00:29:07] <tsoome> basically one of those projects which got interrupted mid way[00:29:21] <herzen> I've used s11.1 for about a week recently, and pkg is still much slower than a normal package manager written in a compiled language.[00:29:40] <tsoome> well, sure[00:29:56] <tsoome> native binary is native binary[00:30:25] <herzen> Sun said they were going to rewrite the most-executed bits in C, but either they didn't, or it didn't make much difference for some reason.[00:30:59] <tsoome> havent had time nor interest to check[00:31:21] <herzen> Red Hat initially wrote rpm in Perl, but then they rewrote it in C. if Red Hat could do it, why not Oracle?[00:31:56] <lennard> it might not be worth the effort[00:32:06] <herzen> of course, other than the speed, pkg is the only package manager for Solarish.[00:32:07] <tsoome> same as with illumos - find time and do it;)[00:32:07] <alp> pkg: there is not enough memory to complete requested operation... WTF[00:32:24] *** drlou_on_tour has joined #openindiana[00:32:33] <lennard> sure, there are those who complain about resources or slowness, but maintaining stuff in C is *much* more hours of work than in python[00:32:36] <lennard> (in general)[00:32:59] <tsoome> well, im really not sure about it[00:33:08] <herzen> there are other compiled languages other than C.[00:33:14] <tsoome> that too[00:33:31] <tsoome> but, that python code in pkg is not exactly the trivial[00:33:44] <lennard> I do agree the pkg always has seemed slow and the numbers you mentioned do seem steep though[00:35:32] <tsoome> the target setups have not 1GB, but a lot more of ram and you most likely will not run pkg after install, so most people just dont care;)[00:38:45] <alp> :)[00:40:28] <tsoome> there is also the fun part of guessing how much the issue is about the python code and how much about that specific python version itself;)[00:42:27] <tsoome> anyhow, afaik there is pkg channel around[00:44:22] <drlou_on_tour> alp: welcome back - why are you not still enjoying vacation?[00:46:38] <alp> was back and saw too little motion here plus usual complaints about FF/sqlite issue. Wanted to check :)[00:48:10] *** Warod has quit IRC[00:48:17] *** Warod has joined #openindiana[00:48:43] <alp> guilty in turning the computer on... Going back to reading SF and doing housekeeping :)[00:54:10] <drlou_on_tour> lots of action, even if somewhat 'invisible'… (!)[00:54:22] <drlou_on_tour> if SF, have you covered off Heinlein?[00:54:23] *** ngchk1 has joined #openindiana[00:54:41] <drlou_on_tour> and, of course, Asimov?[01:09:42] *** jim80net_ has joined #openindiana[01:10:44] *** jim80net has quit IRC[01:10:44] *** jim80net_ is now known as jim80net[01:13:58] *** jim80net_ has joined #openindiana[01:14:27] *** jim80net has quit IRC[01:14:28] *** jim80net_ is now known as jim80net[01:14:41] *** drlou_on_tour has quit IRC[01:18:54] *** jim80net has quit IRC[01:29:52] *** joltman has quit IRC[01:42:28] *** drlou_on_tour has joined #openindiana[01:54:32] *** alp has quit IRC[02:16:29] *** szaydel has quit IRC[02:56:43] *** deet has quit IRC[02:58:51] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[02:58:57] *** the_TORmentor has joined #openindiana[02:59:47] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[02:59:47] *** the_TORmentor has joined 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#openindiana[09:20:01] *** texarcana has quit IRC[09:22:02] *** texarcana has joined #openindiana[10:01:40] *** troydm has quit IRC[10:02:37] <wildcat> hey, anybody already used some Seagate ST4000NM0023 drives?[10:05:47] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[10:07:26] *** the_TORmentor has joined #openindiana[10:08:39] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:17:41] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[10:20:00] *** alex1 has quit IRC[10:34:18] <mahomet> good morning[10:34:30] <mahomet> I've observed this in dmesg[10:34:34] <mahomet> "WARNING: audiohd#0: ddi_dma_mem_alloc failed"[10:34:48] <mahomet> I've also observed that I cannot for the life of me get any sound out of this machine[10:34:55] <mahomet> I presume these faults are related[10:34:56] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[10:50:44] *** alex3 has joined #openindiana[10:55:44] *** troydm has joined #openindiana[11:00:49] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[11:10:44] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #openindiana[11:28:37] <Alasdairrr> Driver buggyness probably[11:37:08] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[11:38:33] *** the_TORmentor has joined #openindiana[11:47:16] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[12:05:05] *** movement has quit IRC[12:14:07] *** cpn has joined #openindiana[12:24:41] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:32:03] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[12:33:29] *** drlou_on_tour has joined #openindiana[12:35:40] *** tommy_e has joined #openindiana[12:45:11] *** patdk-lap has joined #openindiana[13:03:02] *** movement has joined #openindiana[13:03:43] *** gm152 has joined #openindiana[13:28:37] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[13:29:19] *** szaydel has joined #openindiana[13:29:44] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[13:30:38] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[13:33:27] *** patkoscsaba has joined #openindiana[13:34:01] <patkoscsaba> is nwam[adm|cfg] the equivalent of solaris11's net[adm|cfg] ?[13:34:52] <patkoscsaba> i recently switched from administering my networks with ifconfig to dladm&ipadm[13:35:21] *** Seony has quit IRC[13:35:24] <patkoscsaba> and I observerd, that in some circumstance, like when I delete an aggregate and then reboot, network/physical enters in maintenance[13:35:57] <patkoscsaba> oracle documentation says I should set the NCP to DefaultFixed using netadm[13:36:04] <patkoscsaba> however I have no netadm in OI[13:41:39] <patdk-lap> never used netadm or nwamadm[13:41:46] <patdk-lap> normally the first thing I do is kill nwam[13:46:25] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:46:26] *** held has quit IRC[13:53:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[13:56:24] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[13:57:06] *** patdk-lap has quit IRC[14:10:21] *** held has joined #openindiana[14:21:47] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[14:21:47] *** the_TORmentor has joined #openindiana[14:28:59] *** ekix_ is now known as ekix[14:32:14] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[14:34:33] *** held has quit IRC[14:35:56] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[14:36:47] *** drlou_on_tour has quit IRC[14:47:14] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[14:53:55] <patkoscsaba> I had an aggregate, aggr1[14:54:04] <patkoscsaba> I deleted it with ipadm & dladm[14:54:08] <patkoscsaba> I rebooted[14:54:35] <patkoscsaba> network/physical:default enters maintenance because it can not find aggr1[14:54:54] <patkoscsaba> nor dladm or ipadm shows aggr, it was deleted before reboot,[14:55:09] <patkoscsaba> where does network/physical:default looks and finds aggr1 ?[14:59:45] *** anonymuse has joined #openindiana[15:05:51] *** anonymuse has quit IRC[15:09:36] <MarcelT> patkoscsaba: yes, nwamadm is equivalent to Oracle's netadm, but netadm was changed/improved a bit since 2010, so they are not the same[15:09:54] <MarcelT> (the same is true for nwamcfg vs. netcfg)[15:12:08] <patkoscsaba> MarcelT: thanks for clarifying that[15:12:10] <patdk-wk_> patkoscsaba, did you check if you have any /etc/hostname* files?[15:12:33] <patkoscsaba> patdk-wk_: yes, there are no hostname files[15:12:37] <patdk-wk_> I personally use dladm/ipadm for everything, but still use hostname stuff for ipmp[15:13:01] <patkoscsaba> I so not use ipmp for now[15:13:40] <patkoscsaba> the only way out of this network/physical:default problem I could find[15:13:48] <patkoscsaba> is to svccfg delete … it[15:13:51] <patkoscsaba> then reboot[15:13:55] <patkoscsaba> and reenable the service[15:14:17] <patkoscsaba> but this is not a solution, just a temporary workaroung until I happen to delete another aggregate[15:15:29] <patkoscsaba> so I would like to know from where does the service read the list of aggregates[15:16:06] <patkoscsaba> I've looked at its svc/method file, but I can't find anything there that would suggest this[15:18:44] *** herzen has quit IRC[15:23:46] *** jim80net has joined #openindiana[15:23:46] *** anonymuse has joined #openindiana[15:34:05] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[15:41:11] *** anonymuse has quit IRC[15:41:29] *** anonymuse has joined #openindiana[15:47:21] *** floogy has joined #openindiana[15:48:33] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[15:48:59] <floogy> Hi, anybody here who uses napp-it-to-go? it will restart my hp microserver in a infinite loop.[15:51:37] <floogy> lblume, I tested zdb|ashift on[15:51:37] <floogy> SunOS openindiana 5.11 oi_151a7 i86pc i386 i86pc. I get ashift 9 twice. Is that for the rpool and the zpool?[15:54:26] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[16:03:39] *** sjorge has quit IRC[16:11:30] *** joltman has joined #openindiana[16:12:08] *** herzen has joined #openindiana[16:14:43] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:17:30] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[16:31:22] *** DrLou has joined #openindiana[16:31:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrLou[16:38:25] <patkoscsaba> for historical reasons, here is why network/physical:default could still see my aggr1[16:38:28] *** Vutral has quit IRC[16:38:36] <patkoscsaba> it was an aggr1 set to dhcp a long time ago[16:38:42] <patkoscsaba> and while I switched to ipadm[16:39:06] <patkoscsaba> /etc/dhcp.aggr1 remained present on the system[16:39:52] <patkoscsaba> and /svc/method/net-phys does a listing of all the /etc/dhcp.* files to get the interfaces that should be upped with dhcp[16:39:59] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[16:40:03] <patdk-wk_> oh, I don't use dhcp, why I never even knew /etc/dhcp.* existed[16:40:12] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[16:46:22] *** sjorge has joined #openindiana[16:46:22] *** sjorge has joined #openindiana[16:48:49] <patkoscsaba> patdk-wk_: I use dhcp and I still didn't know it existed[16:49:07] *** Vutral has quit IRC[16:49:08] <patkoscsaba> anyway it does not exist any more with ipadm/dladm[16:50:45] *** echobinary has quit IRC[16:52:58] <patdk-wk_> just imagine the amount of cleanup that could happen, if all these flatfile for all these things where changed to sqlite :)[16:57:24] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[16:57:27] <lblume> floogy: If you get ashift 9, then you need to rerun zdb and read the full output to check which pools are wrong[16:59:47] <floogy> Hm, that seems to be the rpool and the zpool 'Tank'[17:00:49] <lblume> so those will underperform with 4k disks[17:03:17] <floogy> But my question was, if a8 will create automagically a pool with ashift=12 if I choose 4k harddisks which report false 512e values[17:03:40] <lblume> I thought you had them already, so you could just try?[17:03:42] <lblume> Got to go now[17:04:05] <floogy> time /usr/sbin/zdb Tank |grep ashift[17:04:05] <floogy> ashift: 9[17:04:06] <floogy> ashift: 9[17:04:17] <floogy> for rpool the same[17:04:59] <floogy> No three of them are almost dead (smart failure on rallocation sector count exceeded)[17:05:38] <floogy> I have to buy new ones and want to know if that matters if such 4k drives reporting 512e sectors.[17:06:05] <floogy> bye lblume, have a nice weekend[17:13:10] *** drlou_on_tour has joined #openindiana[17:18:10] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[17:18:36] <patdk-wk_> heh?[17:18:41] <patdk-wk_> if it reports 512e, it's fine[17:18:47] <patdk-wk_> if it reports 512, that would be an issue[17:19:22] <patdk-wk_> but the question is, where are you buying these disks that report false 4k info? they haven't been sold for a few years[17:19:48] <floogy> ok, so then I'm fine. Sorry for the noise.[17:20:13] <patdk-wk_> you will have an issue with 4k disks still though :)[17:20:27] <patdk-wk_> if you attempt to upgrade your ashift 9 pool to a 100% 4k disks pool[17:20:49] <patdk-wk_> you need to make a new pool, and move stuff over[17:20:52] <patdk-wk_> not just swap disks[17:28:37] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[17:34:37] *** alcir has quit IRC[17:41:03] <floogy> Yes, 3 of four disks have failures. So I don't want to resilver or so. I just throw that pool away and create a new one. There is an old outdated backup on it.[17:41:44] <floogy> patdk-wk_, that will autoimatically create a zpool with ashift=12 ?[17:42:04] <patdk-wk_> yes[17:42:33] <floogy> ok, so thank you and have a nice weekend too, bye.[17:43:53] *** floogy has quit IRC[17:49:36] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[17:53:39] *** blues_ai_ has joined #openindiana[17:56:08] *** churnd has quit IRC[17:56:38] *** churnd has joined #openindiana[17:57:06] *** blues_air has quit IRC[18:19:35] *** Vutral has quit IRC[18:35:28] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[18:39:56] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[18:45:08] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[18:48:35] *** rfm has joined #openindiana[18:49:40] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[18:49:45] *** heldus has quit IRC[18:58:45] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[19:11:30] *** drlou_on_tour has quit IRC[19:11:54] *** jpeeters has joined #openindiana[19:11:56] <jpeeters> Hi all[19:12:05] <jpeeters> I reinstall the rpool[19:12:15] <jpeeters> how can I reattach my non-global zones to the rpool ?[19:12:32] <jpeeters> can I use zoneadm -z my-zone -a /zones/my-zone ?[19:12:50] <jpeeters> what happens if there is snapshots of the /zones/my-zone ?[19:13:05] *** held has joined #openindiana[19:22:10] *** gea has joined #openindiana[19:23:44] <gea> @floogy: about napp-it to go in microserver: you must use the upper front USB slot or you must do a regular install to USB (Grub problem)[19:24:44] *** alex3 has quit IRC[19:25:52] *** pmettu has left #openindiana[19:28:33] *** blues_ai_ has quit IRC[19:43:46] <DrLou> gang: Are there any big gotchas in granting root access to zones?[19:44:27] <DrLou> or do you tend (as we have so far) to grant to a 'real' user, then add to Profiles and such?[19:49:14] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[19:49:48] *** kdavyd has joined #openindiana[19:50:50] *** held has quit IRC[19:52:39] *** kdavyd1 has quit IRC[20:05:47] *** the_TORm1ntor has joined #openindiana[20:05:53] *** the_TORmentor has quit IRC[20:06:54] *** the_TORm1ntor has quit IRC[20:06:55] *** the_TORm1ntor has joined #openindiana[20:07:15] *** the_TORm1ntor is now known as the_tormentor[20:11:16] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:13:03] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[20:22:35] *** kdavyd1 has joined #openindiana[20:24:11] *** kdavyd has quit IRC[20:24:27] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[20:34:37] *** irker776 has joined #openindiana[20:34:38] <irker776> spec-files-extra [5428] tom68 SFEweechat.spec: change (Build)Requires to %{pnm_buildrequires_SUNWgsed}, %{pnm_buildrequires_SUNWlua}[20:43:08] <myrkraverk> patdk-wk_, Nono, we want postgres for these flat files.[20:43:24] <myrkraverk> Or, more non-troll-ish, actual plug-in for whatever we want, really.[20:49:32] *** horsi has quit IRC[20:50:09] *** horsi has joined #openindiana[20:50:55] *** altf2o has joined #openindiana[21:06:09] <irker776> spec-files-extra [5429] tom68 SFEtransmission.spec: change (Build)Requires %{pnm_buildrequires_SUNWgtk2_devel} ..., %include packagenamemacros.inc, add (Build)Requires: SFEgcc(runtime). 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