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[01:07:03] <DrLou> gang, if 'hipster' is our experimental repo, which is a8's 'rolling release' repo?
[01:08:27] <myrkraverk> DrLou, I think hipster and a8 are different forks really.
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[01:09:02] <DrLou> well, not quite a 'fork' per se -
[01:10:24] <DrLou> was just wondering which repo is considered the 'baseline' a8 repo?
[01:17:17] <herzen> I would guess that dev is the baseline, given that my understanding is that it corresponds to what the a8 installation CD installs, and that it sets pkg's openindiana.org repository to dev.
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[02:55:16] <Hedonisto> is there a HCL for video cards wife wants to buy me a NVIDIA GeForce GT 620
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[02:56:31] <myrkraverk> Hedonisto, not that I'm aware of, but you can see if it's listed in the solaris driver on the nvidia website.
[02:56:49] <Hedonisto> thanks myrkraverk will head that way
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[03:13:02] <mahomet> thank goodness OpenIndiana exists
[03:13:11] <mahomet> now I can keep using Solaris as my desktop
[03:13:20] <mahomet> a pity about flash player, but that's junk anyway
[03:13:34] <mahomet> Hedonisto: I have a 620, it works fantastically
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[03:47:42] <jamesd> mahomet: the only people that should have solaris as a desktop are stock brokers, Solaris admins, and sunray users... the rest are just masocists.
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[04:26:02] <herzen> jamesd: are you joking? Solaris/OpenIndiana is the first OS that I have used for which I don't have to continually worry about whether something will go wrong. everything just works, and if something needs tweaking, I can put that off indefinitely until I'm in the mood to deal with it.
[04:26:05] <unsound_> myrkraverk: I contacted Mark Logan about the CDDL/GPL conflict in libparted and he confirmed that the CDDL headers are a mistake, it should be GPL. He is going to fix this.
[04:27:24] <mahomet> jamesd: what an absurd
[04:27:42] <alanc> jamesd: and Solaris developers!
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[04:29:29] <jamesd> gnome is the next OS to take over the GIU world... yeah right, dream om.
[04:30:42] <davenz> What's the GIU world?
[04:31:45] <DrLou> it's a Theme Park in Italy
[04:34:18] <alanc> jamesd: But this is totally the year of the Non-Linux Unix Desktop! It says so right here in my calendar of the tech zodiac!
[04:35:06] <alanc> or maybe I'm reading it wrong and this is the year of the Cryptography Tin Foil Hats... very small print in this calendar
[04:36:02] <jamesd> alanc: then good night all.. i will let the year of gnome monkey answer everything .. have fun...
[04:44:34] <alanc> oh, the year of the gnome monkey was last decade, when Ximian was still in business making money off gnome
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[05:17:18] <ichthys> I just started looking into storage server. Can anyone point me into the right direction for documentation? I want to use ZFS and by the looks of it, i can make a ZFS pool of all my hard drives in OpenIndiana and use that for ESXi datastores
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[08:27:16] <mahomet> does anyone know of Chromium (browser) on Oi
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<madwizard> Hi, guys. I added some material to http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/ZFS I'd appreciate comments and edits, as I try not to copy Oracle guide and must work on my knowledge.
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[12:06:39] <oden> hello people. how do i reset the root password, for some reason i forgot the password.
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[12:58:15] <madwizard> oden: Boot from CD, import rpool to remporary space, replace password with known passwords hash or try just cutting it out in /etc/shadow
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[13:02:02] <myrkraverk> There's surely a list of "knows root hashes" around.
[13:03:07] <myrkraverk> unsound_, Good. Then people can finally stop bothering with "hot air"
[13:03:18] <xenol> and if you don't find, ask NSA. I am sure they will gladly provide you with one :)
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[13:05:33] <madwizard> myrkraverk: I'd replace it with hash of root password from my notebook
[13:05:54] <madwizard> myrkraverk: But thank you for constructive opinion, it will be noted further in the research
[13:06:54] <myrkraverk> madwizard, why should oden replace his root hash with something from your notebook?
[13:14:26] <oden> thanks guys. i'm a moron. i know the root passwd but didn't remember remote/local root login was disallowed. and, in this case the password for a unpriv user is forgotten. so, need the live cd approach i guess.
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[13:21:26] <oden> coming from the linux camp and is used to a "failsafe" mode with lilo/grub.
[13:22:46] <xenol> usually, a failsafe option from linux is minimal kernel needed for fixing things
[13:23:08] <xenol> this is doable in illumos, too. but this is more/less distribution decision
[13:23:14] <oden> can i blank the unpriv users passwd and login locally like that. is that allowed?
[13:23:42] <oden> yes, i read something about that.
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[13:26:50] <oden> ah, maybe safest to use the now known root passwd from /etc/shadow for the unpriv user.
[13:27:46] <myrkraverk> Does that work? Aren't the hashes different depending on the username?
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[13:31:20] <oden> i don't think so.
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[13:32:18] <oden> btw. will chroot /path/to/the/system work here?
[13:32:44] <oden> once i managed to mount the disk.
[13:36:39] <oden> just verified using the root passwd from /etc/shadow for an unpriv user worked. always worked on linux.
[13:42:32] <oden> there's no "rescue" option while booting the live cd, like with common linux distro installs (redhat, mandriva)?
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[13:52:07] <myrkraverk> oden, Maybe (I don't know) it's because it's so rare that we need a rescue boot CD - boot environments mostly cover that as long as the hdd still works.
[13:54:03] <oden> yeah, human error - forgetting the passwd...
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[13:57:25] <lblume> "rare" being the operative word here. when you do need one, then it means you really do need one, it's an emergency, and having to deal with the finer niceties of people telling you that it's not needed is actually not fun.
[13:58:28] <lblume> It has always been a weak point in Solaris, people have gotten used to head lame excuses about it, so it won't change. Sad.
[13:58:35] <lblume> hear, even.
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[14:02:14] <JT-EC> It would seem you just edit grub and boot into single user mode no?
[14:02:46] <JT-EC> Which implies it should be trivial to add that as a normal grub option and save people the edit
[14:03:42] <lblume> Exactly. The edit is not that trivial. There are several lines and (in Solaris at least) it subtly change every few minor version. So in an emergency, you remember the wrong one, and it fails.
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[14:32:01] <floogy> Hi, I got a hp microserver with a7, and want to test napp-it-to-go. Will that be an issue with the rpool already in use on that microserver??
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[14:33:46] <lblume> shouldn't you use a different pool for data?
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[14:37:42] <xenol> floogy: create a backup be and try it. If you decide that you don't want napp-it, you can return back in time
[14:37:58] <xenol> by booting the backup be you created before installing napp-ut
[14:37:59] <xenol> it
[14:47:22] <floogy> I guess I'll simply unplug the hdd before testing the pendrive.
[14:48:07] <floogy> s/guess/think/
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[15:06:06] <lblume> And you should consider using a data pool later instead of an rpool. It makes it easier to move a disk between systems of different types.
[15:11:59] <The_TORmentor> i still have not found much learning resources for sparc64 assembly
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[15:17:59] <URi1> hi there
[15:18:22] <URi1> I am having problems with nfs
[15:18:56] <URi1> Sep 18 15:15:13 kleinrock last message repeated 18 times
[15:18:56] <URi1> Sep 18 15:15:45 kleinrock /usr/lib/nfs/nfsd[777]: [ID 396295 daemon.error] t_bind(file descriptor 12/transport tcp) TLI error 5
[15:19:19] <URi1> this message appears several times in /var/adm/messages
[15:19:29] <URi1> and transfer speed is extremely slow
[15:20:05] <MarcelT> 5 is TNOADDR
[15:20:25] <MarcelT> Do you see it during boot (or nfsd start) only?
[15:20:36] <MarcelT> or during the normal operation?
[15:20:49] <URi1> during normal operation
[15:21:05] <URi1> the system has been up for 11 days
[15:21:23] <URi1> and the message started to appear today
[15:23:19] <MarcelT> how often do you see it?
[15:25:48] <MarcelT> do you see any other (similar or related) messages?
[15:25:52] <URi1> no
[15:26:02] <MarcelT> and how often?
[15:26:12] <URi1> it has appeared more than 300 times for the last five hours
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[15:26:51] <MarcelT> interesting
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[15:27:36] <MarcelT> this failed:
[15:27:42] <URi1> well it has appeared around 780 times
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[15:29:31] <MarcelT> try to dtrace _tx_bind() in nfsd
[15:30:59] <URi1> ok let me search
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[15:31:39] <URi1> could you please provide me a guide on how to use dtrace?
[15:31:39] <MarcelT> TNOADDR is not set directly in _tx_bind()
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[15:32:05] <MarcelT> so I think it came from the kernel
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[15:33:37] <MarcelT> you should also dtrace few places in tcp where TNOADDR is returned
[15:33:54] <URi1> thanks a lot
[15:34:05] <MarcelT> most likely tcp_bind.c
[15:34:26] <MarcelT> when you'll find where exactly the TNOADDR appears you might go deeper
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[15:58:23] <The_TORmentor> there is a sparc assembly langauge manual i found but it says i need to read SPARC V9 and SPARC V8 reference manuals first
[15:58:30] <The_TORmentor> do i really need to do that?
[15:58:35] <The_TORmentor> seems like a lot of reading
[16:03:10] <lblume> I'm not sure you fully grasp what it means to use an assembly language.
[16:03:43] <The_TORmentor> :(
[16:03:51] <The_TORmentor> so i read both of those
[16:04:01] <The_TORmentor> it says i should read some other stuff too
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[16:05:42] <The_TORmentor> why cant there just be one book that has everything
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[16:08:59] <The_TORmentor> lblume: what do you suggest?
[16:09:42] <lblume> Using a neural interface.
[16:09:52] <The_TORmentor> what is that
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[16:40:52] <danmcd> (asking this in every distro) Anyone running on an HP Gen8 Microserver?
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[16:51:25] <danmcd> I ask because I've a report of bge not working.
[16:51:52] <danmcd> With stock OI, it shouldn't, but people have replaced bge with the SmartOS or OmniOS one...
[16:52:34] <danmcd> I've one Gen8 Microserver user complaining it doesn't.
[16:52:44] <danmcd> And I could use some additional datapoints.
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[17:03:04] <patdk-wk_> hmm, what bge? :)
[17:03:20] <patdk-wk_> I'm running current illumos code, on a dell 2950 with bge
[17:09:46] <danmcd> BRCM 5720
[17:11:03] * danmcd looks up the Dell 2950...
[17:11:39] <danmcd> BRCM 5721 is the only bge I can see on the 2950.
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[17:32:47] <patdk-wk_> oh, sorry, bnx :(
[17:32:53] <patdk-wk_> always confusing them
[17:36:21] <danmcd> oh, that's 5708 then.
[17:36:28] <danmcd> And bnx is less confusing, it's closed!
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[17:44:34] <patdk-wk_> :)
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[18:13:30] <nikolam> Anypne tried to replicate it's home dir to external drive, using GUI (Time slider in GNOME)?
[18:13:44] <nikolam> It gives path for the external drive
[18:14:15] <nikolam> I would like to give it a network drive (zfs under ubuntu) that I send a snapshot to
[18:18:43] <nikolam> hm, would it just send updated files there or use zfs snapshots for that
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[20:28:49] <irker438> spec-files-extra [5427] tom68 SFEfreeradius.spec: bump to 2.2.1
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[23:31:17] <midacts> at what point would you need to use a storage VM like openindiana?
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[23:33:09] <Triskelios> "storage VM"?
[23:33:13] <tomww> what do you define as a storage VM?
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[23:34:47] <midacts> im not sure, i was really trying to find out more information on openindiana and what it does. Do you guys know any information on that? I am insterest in using ZFS and using it for my ESXi hosts. We use NexentaStor at work
[23:37:20] <Triskelios> well, there's the website for starters
[23:38:07] <Triskelios> OpenIndiana is one of the general-purpose distros of illumos
[23:39:23] <midacts> gotcha, i guess i was just wondering why you would want to use it. mainly to use ZFS?
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[23:42:13] <Triskelios> I would guess a lot of people use it to run applications, services, or VMs. there are a lot of technologies other than ZFS in illumos
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[23:55:38] <jpeeters> Hi everyone, what are the important files to backup for network and zone configuration ?
[23:55:44] <jpeeters> network conf includes VLAN...
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