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[05:42:49] <unsound_> Hey all... I'd like some feedback on license issues in OpenIndiana. I noticed that the GNU parted sources in illumos-gate include files with a CDDL license header, while GNU parted is GPL3-licensed. Everyone says that these licenses are incompatible...
[05:43:04] <unsound_> example: usr/src/lib/libparted/common/libparted/fs/solaris_x86/solaris_x86.c
[05:48:42] <irker663> spec-files-extra [5412] viskov SFElibx264.spec: disable CLI, since it creates a circular dependency on ffmpeg
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[07:35:19] <myrkraverk> unsound_, Doesn't gpl3 have the same "except the operating system" clause of the gpl2?
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[07:42:46] <unsound_> myrkraverk: that's not the problem... the problem is that the GPL and CDDL sources are compiled into the same library, libparted.so
[07:43:27] <unsound_> which would be static linking and by all definitions a GPL issue
[07:43:53] <myrkraverk> unsound_, Not if the "except the operating system" part applies, but ianal.
[07:45:18] <unsound_> myrkraverk: this source file isn't used by any other operating system component. so I don't see how it could be part of the operating system... but +1 on ianal.
[07:46:01] <myrkraverk> Well, you *are* building the OS, so it might apply.
[07:46:46] <myrkraverk> IIRC there's some license advisory thingy, probably with the FSF, which might be "nice" to get feedback from.
[07:48:21] <unsound_> myrkraverk: with that logic I could include any GPL code in the OS and disregard the GPL's viral clauses completely. I don't think that's a realistic interpretation... (:
[07:49:19] <myrkraverk> unsound_, But, the "issue" is also slightly thornier, the gpl2 (I'm not familiar with the details of gpl3) stipulates that the resulting binary must be treated as completely gpl and the copyright holder *is* allowed to do that.
[07:49:59] <myrkraverk> I'm do not believe copyright laws stipulate that every file in the resulting binary must be stamped GPL.
[07:50:56] <myrkraverk> If that interpretation applies, and the original comes from sun/oracle, they "accidentally" GPLd some sources.
[07:51:04] <unsound_> that's true, but if it is stamped CDDL and released as part of a GPL library, then there's no way to satisfy the condition of both license.
[07:51:11] <unsound_> licenses*
[07:51:53] <unsound_> commit was made by Mark Logan <Mark.Logan at Sun dot COM> / Date: Tue May 19 18:34:13 2009 -0700
[07:52:19] <unsound_> so maybe it's just a mistake in the license header. maybe the intention was to release these files as GPL as well.
[07:52:21] <myrkraverk> unsound_, (ianial but) my interpretation would be: if the copyright holder of the CDDL did the port, they'd be implicitly GPLing those files.
[07:52:47] <unsound_> sounds reasonable
[07:53:45] <myrkraverk> But yeah, the license header should probably be GPL and not CDDL.
[07:53:49] <myrkraverk> Or both.
[07:54:35] <myrkraverk> Actually, I think sun had some mechanism to auto-switch licenses in the header; I got that feeling from reading differently licensed Java source codes.
[07:55:03] <myrkraverk> So it may have been a misapplication of an auto-license tool.
[07:55:42] <unsound_> yeah... for full clarification, maybe one could drop Mark Logan an email if he's still at Oracle.
[07:55:57] <myrkraverk> Or even if he's not.
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[07:59:54] <myrkraverk> unsound_, I'll bring it to illumos-dev tomorrow. I'm sure it'll be cleared up eventually; thanks.
[08:00:07] <myrkraverk> *later today.
[08:01:06] <unsound_> myrkraverk: great (: thanks.
[08:04:02] <unsound_> myrkraverk: just to be clear, the two files with CDDL headers that concerned me are usr/src/lib/libparted/common/include/parted/solaris.h and usr/src/lib/libparted/common/libparted/fs/solaris_x86/solaris_x86.c in illumos-gate
[08:04:36] <myrkraverk> *noted*
[08:04:59] <myrkraverk> Do you want to be CCd in the email? It's on my todo list to write it between 13-15 UTC today.
[08:05:35] <unsound_> myrkraverk: sure, shall I pm you my email?
[08:05:41] <myrkraverk> yeah.
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[12:28:55] <xandrea> hi.. no one use kvm on openindiana?
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[13:01:34] <tsoome> afaik some people are using, but i cant point to any names just now. you may try a little later as most of the US people are still sleeping:)
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[13:11:54] <tinuva> I see xandrea left now, but I use kvm on openindiana, although I use it via qemu-toolkit
[13:15:21] <tsoome> oh, that too, yep:D
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[13:44:34] <Agnar> oh, I use kvm too - but I was at lunch :)
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[13:47:00] <unsound_> kvm still only works with Intel CPUs, right?
[13:47:10] <Agnar> afaik yes
[13:48:41] <Alasdairrr> There is (partial?) AMD support code flaoting around but the author is not sufficiently motivated to integrate it
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[13:50:56] <unsound_> I see... do you know where it is floating around?
[13:52:42] <Alasdairrr> jclulow = LeftWing
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[14:13:24] <tinuva> well in that case, super happy i chose a intel based system for my fileserver at home
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[15:49:26] <bmercer> howdy
[15:50:53] <bmercer> My Oi box from... the first release is updating... 935 packages :)
[15:51:04] <bmercer> should make for a wonderful friday the 13th
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[15:51:49] <phobos_anomaly> bmercer: That sounds like the beginning of a horror story.
[15:52:07] <phobos_anomaly> windows and linux have instilled a fear of updates in me.
[15:52:59] <bmercer> eh well, Friday 13ths always seem to be good days for me :)
[15:53:24] <phobos_anomaly> bmercer: I hope it is then :)
[15:53:34] <bmercer> wish there was more SPARC support in Oi. :/
[15:53:49] <bmercer> got a couple T1000's and other machines I'd like to run some zones on
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[15:54:35] <bmercer> wonder how long it's going to take for my zones to update
[15:54:42] <bmercer> that's what I'm the most concerned with
[15:54:48] <bmercer> they're still on 148
[15:56:27] <phobos_anomaly> bmercer: I'd plan on a few hours just to be safe.
[15:57:11] <bmercer> My buildserver and such are on there... they don't usually ask me for builds on a friday ;)
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[16:06:08] <DrLou> tell me again - how to find the package which provides file '/my/file'?
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[16:07:47] <DrLou> pkg search -l - yes. (Remarkable variety of answers out there in the wilds)
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[16:12:43] <DrLou> tomww: ok, yes; thanks. (finding plenty of refs to no-longer-extant pkg commands out there)
[16:14:18] <tomww> as filenames are stored without the leading "/" one migh want to use pattern 'my/file'
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[16:15:13] <DrLou> ah, that's an interesting point - I had used the leading / - seems to work
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[16:43:03] <xandrea> hi.. no one use kvm on openindiana?
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[16:44:44] <tomww> some will, but they are so busy using their KVM clients that there is no time left to speak about it
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[16:51:25] <bmercer> man, been so long since I've upgraded a zone I don't even remember how :)
[16:51:26] <bmercer> lol
[16:53:05] <xandrea> really? soooo busy… mmmm that's means it's not work very well
[16:53:07] <tinuva> xandrea, I use kvm via qemu-toolkit
[16:53:08] <xandrea> hihi
[16:53:27] <tinuva> xandrea, why not just ask what you want to know about?
[16:53:58] <xandrea> tinuva: sorry.. you've right
[16:55:40] <xandrea> so.. I tried to use a zvol as disk… but I notice very worst performance than virtualbox.. in I/O benchmark
[16:56:10] <xandrea> I'm looking for the command to create qcow2 disk
[16:56:39] <xandrea> but I don't find qemu-img or kvm-img command
[16:57:30] <tinuva> ok when you say zvol is bad, what type of controller did you use? ide or virtio ?
[16:57:30] <xandrea> how can I create a qcow2 disk?
[16:57:43] <xandrea> ide
[16:57:48] <tinuva> well that would be why
[16:57:56] <tinuva> you need to use virtio for better performance
[16:58:18] <tinuva> virtualbox vm probably used a paralized driver for the hard drive, and that is why the performance was better
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[16:58:41] <tinuva> what is the guest os you tested this with?
[16:59:19] <xandrea> ubuntu 12-04
[16:59:25] <xandrea> 64bit
[16:59:36] <xandrea> server
[17:00:01] <tinuva> ok in that case you can safely use virtio
[17:00:02] <bmercer> yea my zones don't even function anymore
[17:00:03] <bmercer> crap
[17:00:33] <tinuva> xandrea, you will be surprised how good virtio works :)
[17:00:53] <xandrea> but is it better use zvol or qcow2 disk ?
[17:01:27] <tinuva> if your storage is already zfs, no need to use qcow2
[17:01:47] <tinuva> i'd think copy-on-write on top of a copy-on-write filesystem is a bit redundant
[17:02:11] <tinuva> qcow2 is actually a bit slower than raw
[17:03:05] <xandrea> now that my guest is installed as ide, can I to restart with virtio ?
[17:03:38] <tinuva> you can restart it with virtio if you are sure it has the virtio drivers installed, which is only a problem with windows guests
[17:03:45] <tinuva> with ubuntu guest you safe to restart with virtio
[17:04:13] <tinuva> though, your drives in the guest will change from /dev/sd* to /dev/vd*, eg. /dev/sda1 will change to /dev/vda1
[17:04:35] <tinuva> so make sure you mount with labels or uuids instead of direct device names and you should be fine
[17:09:22] <xandrea> ok.. thanks a lot.. now I try to change with virtio
[17:09:46] <xandrea> just noe question… there is the command to create a qcow2 disk
[17:10:42] <tinuva> that i am not sure about
[17:10:48] <tinuva> ive only used raw on top of zvols thus far
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[17:12:03] <xandrea> ?
[17:13:16] <tinuva> ??
[17:15:46] <tinuva> xandrea, try use /usr/bin/amd64/qemu-img create -f qcow2 /data/ubuntukvm/disk.img 8G
[17:16:19] <tinuva> or
[17:16:20] <tinuva> ln -s /usr/bin/amd64/qemu-img /usr/bin/qemu-img
[17:16:24] <tinuva> then you can just use qemu-img
[17:17:27] <shafire> Am I right, that I can not use flashcache on openindiana, or?
[17:17:31] <xandrea> but I cannot /usr/bin/amd64/qemu-img
[17:17:53] <xandrea> do I need to install other packages?
[17:18:25] <tinuva> i dno, i just installed the regular qemu stuff, and that is what I have
[17:18:58] <tinuva> I installed kvm like so: pkg install driver/i86pc/kvm system/qemu system/qemu/kvm
[17:19:11] <tinuva> but, I am on hipster
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[17:29:05] <xandrea> I use oi 8 server, do you use the desktop version?
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[17:31:20] <tinuva> base install was 151a8 server, then upgraded to hipster
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[17:35:31] <xandrea> how I can upgrade to hipster?
[17:38:54] <xandrea> but hipster is 151a8.. or no?
[17:43:55] <tinuva> hipster is newer than 151a8
[17:44:59] <tinuva> are you 100% sure you dont have /usr/bin/amd64/qemu-img ?
[17:46:37] <tinuva> if you do: ls -lsah /usr/bin/qemu-*
[17:47:12] <tinuva> where does /usr/bin/qemu-kvm / /usr/bin/qemu-system-x86 ect symlink to ?
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[18:02:55] <xandrea> tinuva: oh my.. my head is confused.. sorryyyyy
[18:03:15] <xandrea> I saw another server where I didn't install kvm..
[18:03:17] <xandrea> lol
[18:03:19] <bmercer> ok, I need some help upgrading these zones
[18:03:21] <xandrea> si siiiiii
[18:03:23] <xandrea> I have
[18:04:29] <xandrea> I tried with virtio… but the I/O performance doesn't change...
[18:05:48] <xandrea> now I show you...
[18:07:34] <tinuva> ok
[18:09:10] <bmercer> I can't even log into these zones right now... can I upgrade them offline?
[18:09:42] <bmercer> they're on oi_147 and I'm on 151a8 or something like that ;)
[18:10:25] <tinuva> xandrea, ok i see thats quite a difference
[18:10:42] <tinuva> i get about 30MB/s on virtio using just dd
[18:10:46] <tinuva> dont have sysbench installed
[18:20:49] <bmercer> no clues?
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[18:25:15] <xandrea> but with virtualbox the performance are impressive than kvm
[18:28:31] <tinuva> yeah xandrea I am not sure why, but it is a good question as to why
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[20:57:28] <tcoalson> is there a way to show the link state between two sas expanders? specifically LSI SAS2x36
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[21:01:35] <lennard> between expanders? can you stack those?
[21:01:59] <lennard> I dunno, your raid HBA might be able to tell you
[21:02:28] <lennard> I think lsiutil shows the link state for the links on my non-LSI expander, so it probably would work the other way round as well :P
[21:02:45] <tcoalson> well, sas2flash told me the link from hba to the first expander, but I want to know between first and second expander in the daisy chain
[21:03:12] <tcoalson> and it is a LSI HBA
[21:03:46] <lennard> well in that case you could see if lsiutil works on it ;)
[21:04:41] <tcoalson> wasn't able to find a download for it on lsi's site, any hints?
[21:04:43] <lennard> I've gotten it from a LSIUtil_1.62.zip so its probably somewhere on the web
[21:05:01] <tcoalson> found a link with that name via google, i'll try it
[21:08:50] <tcoalson> doesn't list the SAS2 HBAs
[21:09:11] <tcoalson> lists the onboard 1068 chip i'm not using
[21:09:42] <tcoalson> the hba connected to the expanders is a 9201-16e
[21:10:11] <lennard> mmk
[21:10:37] <tcoalson> i looked at the SES info, but it didn't seem to say anything about link state, sadly
[21:12:56] <lennard> I got both the disks directly on the card as well as the expander and its disks under 16. Display attached devices
[21:13:32] <tcoalson> what chip does your HBA use?
[21:13:45] <lennard> looking at an 1068 atm
[21:14:05] <lennard> and, by extension, under 20, 12 all the links and their up/down/counters
[21:14:10] <tcoalson> yeah, that is a different generation and driver
[21:14:35] <lennard> yeah I don't think I've ever had to check it on my other chip yet
[21:14:45] <lennard> don't even remember what that one is... I think 2008
[21:14:49] <lennard> lemme check
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[21:15:29] <tcoalson> the chip on mine is 2116_1(B1)
[21:16:45] <lennard> oh wait its a 2308
[21:17:05] <lennard> but lsiutil doesn't support it... you're probably in the same situation
[21:17:14] <lennard> I'm kinda out of ideas then
[21:17:17] <tcoalson> i think sas2flash is supposed to be the equivalent to lsiutil for the mpt_sas HBAs, but I don't see anything promising for looking into the topology
[21:17:40] <tcoalson> thanks though
[21:18:22] <lennard> hmm does OI have sasinfo?
[21:18:48] <lennard> that one provides some info on my sol11.1 system
[21:18:52] <tcoalson> i see a package named that, i'll see what happens
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[21:20:41] <tcoalson> it tells me that the expander is online...
[21:21:36] <lennard> maybe sasinfo expander -t .... although there doesn't seem to be any info about down links
[21:22:12] <tcoalson> yeah, just lists a lot of sas addresses, looks like for disks
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[21:27:48] <tcoalson> it can list the link state of the hba-port, but the -y option only works with hba-port it seems
[21:41:50] <tcoalson> though, a little more playing does give me an OS device name for the expander...no idea what I can do with that, though
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[21:44:26] <lennard> oh, have you tried prtconf?
[21:44:36] <lennard> that one always contains more info than I know what to do with :P
[21:44:46] <tcoalson> not for that purpose yet
[21:50:21] <tcoalson> found entries for 2X36 for both the expander and the enclosure management functions, neither seems to list a link state - I passed just -v to prtconf
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[21:53:02] <tcoalson> closest I think i've gotten was using sg_ses with 0xa page, listed all the connector elements, but not their link state as far as I could tell
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