September 5, 2013 
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September 5, 2013 [00:02:30] *** JT-EC_ has joined #openindiana[00:02:37] *** JT-EC has quit IRC[00:05:17] <xenol> anyone with s11 box? I need to check getpwnam_r manpage.[00:07:04] *** JT-EC_ has quit IRC[00:07:30] *** JT-EC has joined #openindiana[00:13:07] *** jim80net has quit IRC[00:22:55] *** szaydel has quit IRC[00:22:58] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[00:32:54] *** Clory has joined #openindiana[00:36:13] *** Clory_ has joined #openindiana[00:38:56] *** joltman has left #openindiana[00:39:01] *** Clory has quit IRC[00:43:36] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[00:51:40] *** blues_air has quit IRC[01:13:28] *** echobinary has joined #openindiana[01:14:19] *** echobinary1 has quit IRC[01:15:22] *** bruges_ has quit IRC[01:17:10] *** bruges has joined #openindiana[01:17:24] *** szaydel has joined #openindiana[01:31:00] *** sauce has quit IRC[01:32:21] *** sauce has joined #openindiana[01:43:16] <rfm> xenol: surely Oracle hasn't managed to lose the online man pages.... <click click> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E26502_01/html/E29034/getpwnam-r-3c.html#scrolltoc[01:46:04] *** szaydel has quit IRC[01:49:48] *** szaydel has joined #openindiana[01:50:49] *** nikolam has quit IRC[01:52:41] *** gwr has quit IRC[01:54:11] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[02:12:49] *** ball has quit IRC[02:34:21] *** sauce has joined #openindiana[02:43:35] *** flight16 has quit IRC[02:45:12] *** ball has joined #openindiana[02:48:53] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[02:53:38] *** blues_air has quit IRC[02:53:53] *** arielb has quit IRC[03:20:18] *** basic6_ has joined #openindiana[03:22:13] *** basic6 has quit IRC[03:25:50] *** sauce has quit IRC[03:28:52] *** sauce has joined #openindiana[03:41:48] *** sauce has quit IRC[04:11:30] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[04:21:41] *** ball has quit IRC[04:22:24] *** sauce has joined #openindiana[04:58:39] *** SonikkuAmerica2 has joined #openindiana[04:59:31] *** SonikkuAmerica2 has quit IRC[05:03:09] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[05:07:14] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[05:24:23] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[05:25:17] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[05:30:12] *** triffid has joined #openindiana[05:31:47] *** bookmage has joined #openindiana[05:39:43] <SonikkuAmerica> rfm: Ummm... this is OpenIndiana's channel, not Oracle's, if you're looking for them see #solaris . Same goes for you xenol[05:42:41] *** SonikkuAmerica has quit IRC[05:53:26] *** Clory_ has quit IRC[05:53:50] *** Clory has joined #openindiana[05:59:43] *** ball has joined #openindiana[06:03:53] *** szaydel has quit IRC[06:17:40] *** bookmage has quit IRC[07:25:12] *** Ch00k has joined #openindiana[07:28:23] *** sommerfeld has quit IRC[07:32:16] *** ball has quit IRC[07:34:05] *** Ch00k has quit IRC[07:38:53] *** Ch00k has joined #openindiana[07:55:40] *** deet has quit IRC[07:55:43] *** Clory has quit IRC[07:55:59] *** deet has joined #openindiana[08:06:36] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[08:11:09] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[08:19:00] *** rfm has quit IRC[08:20:41] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[08:24:46] *** echelog-2 has joined #openindiana[08:26:52] *** troydm has quit IRC[08:33:48] *** alp has quit IRC[08:34:15] *** hicl has joined #openindiana[08:40:13] *** Ch00k has quit IRC[08:43:40] *** hicl_ has joined #openindiana[08:50:18] *** easye has joined #openindiana[08:51:33] *** cyberspace- has quit IRC[08:54:02] *** cyberspace- has joined #openindiana[08:58:09] *** sommerfeld has joined #openindiana[09:06:45] *** echelog-2 has joined #openindiana[09:12:31] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:13:37] *** alp has joined #openindiana[09:18:06] *** Lee- has quit IRC[09:18:19] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:21:01] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[09:22:15] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[09:22:48] *** texarcana has joined #openindiana[09:25:28] *** blues_air has quit IRC[09:27:06] *** porkotron has quit IRC[09:31:26] *** alex3 has joined #openindiana[09:35:53] *** Ch00k has quit IRC[09:43:33] *** Ch00k has joined #openindiana[09:43:54] *** Agnar has quit IRC[09:45:52] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[09:50:49] *** tomww has quit IRC[09:53:04] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[09:53:04] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[09:53:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[10:02:17] *** KermitTheFragger has joined #openindiana[10:06:48] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[10:15:24] *** phyrne has joined #openindiana[10:16:01] <phyrne> Hello guys, I'm new here[10:19:11] *** Ch00k has joined #openindiana[10:21:21] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[10:25:32] *** blues_air has quit IRC[10:26:15] *** ivan` has quit IRC[10:28:37] *** ivan` has joined #openindiana[10:30:12] <Alasdairrr> Hi phyrne, welcome[10:32:43] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[10:40:33] *** scottyob has quit IRC[10:40:33] *** held has quit IRC[10:41:27] *** atheos has quit IRC[10:41:48] *** atheos has joined #openindiana[10:46:36] *** scottyob has joined #openindiana[10:46:59] <phyrne> Hey Alasdairrr, thanks for the welcome[10:47:15] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[10:48:33] <phyrne> I imagine I'll frequent this channel quite often in the near future, just getting started with OI. Planning to use it for a little NAS for home, looking forward to getting to know it. I'm an OpenBSD user[11:02:05] *** Ch00k has left #openindiana[11:11:17] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #openindiana[11:12:03] <Alasdairrr> You'll love ZFS[11:12:05] <Alasdairrr> :-)[11:13:45] <Tinuva> yeah i only started using zfs recently, already in love with it[11:13:55] <Tinuva> starting to fall in love with openindiana too[11:14:16] <phyrne> Alasdairrr: Very much looking forward to it. I've had a little play with ZFS on FreeBSD before, and we have a Nexenta box here at my work. It'll be a bit of a step up from FFS2![11:14:47] <phyrne> Tinuva: I'm sure it'll be a similar situation for me too[11:14:48] <phyrne> :p[11:15:24] <Tinuva> heh yeah[11:15:45] <Tinuva> I was going to go for zfsonlinx...then I started reading the mail lists, and if you thought licensing was the only issue...[11:16:13] <Tinuva> lets just say, I value my data enough to rather learn OpenIndiana/Illumos based distros[11:17:53] <Alasdairrr> There's other cool stuff too, like proper dtrace, zones, smf[11:17:59] <Alasdairrr> boot environments[11:19:00] <Tinuva> i still have to learn to make use of those[11:19:13] <Tinuva> smf is to start services? Think I did a little with that, to get my VMs to start up on boot[11:20:04] <Tinuva> my VMs are all created using qemu-toolkit, so had to write my own script to start them up based on /etcc/qemu-toolkit/*.rb[11:20:22] *** tommy_e has joined #openindiana[11:20:48] <Tinuva> although i may change it a bit later on based on how libvirt starts them up on linux, so i change the "start vm" on boot with symlinks in a folder, currently all just get started up on boot[11:21:02] <Tinuva> i htink the next thing I need to learn is dtrace[11:21:19] <Tinuva> but I do all of this in my spare time only :([11:22:15] *** hicl has quit IRC[11:22:40] <phyrne> Yeah, I left Linux behind for personal use a while ago, I've been very happy with BSD, now I only use Linux at work. I was considering FreeBSD for my NAS, as it has pretty damn good ZFS support, but I figured I'd read up on OI, and I'm already enjoying it, I haven't even started the install! Alasdairrr, yeah, I need to read up on those features. I probably wouldn't use dtrace much, as I'm not a developer by any means, I tend to stick to my bash/sed/awk ;)[11:22:55] *** hicl_ has quit IRC[11:23:14] <phyrne> Tinuva: Yep, spare time only for me too, but, it seems like great fun, and almost an investment, so to speak[11:23:53] <phyrne> I've never had experience with Sun/Solaris systems (other than Nexenta, which I have very little experience with)[11:24:24] <Tinuva> well, seeing you come from freebsd, at least the software firewall in OpenIndiana is the same as FreeBSD, bar different locations for the config files[11:27:03] *** burner has joined #openindiana[11:27:29] <phyrne> Tinuva: Is it PF? :) I come from OpenBSD actually, I only used FreeBSD for a couple days to play around[11:27:37] *** burner is now known as BurnerGR[11:27:39] <Tinuva> yeah[11:27:46] <JT-EC> No, ipf, not pf[11:27:46] <Tinuva> or its called ipf[11:27:58] <Tinuva> but it seemed very similar to me[11:28:25] <phyrne> I see, is it similar to pf in any way at all?[11:28:46] <phyrne> I'll have to read up on it anyway[11:28:54] <Tinuva> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/4.3+Firewall[11:29:02] <Tinuva> check that, it seems similar[11:29:18] <phyrne> Also, guys; is the OI handbook fairly comprehensive? I'm a beginner with OI, so I want to learn in a constructive manner[11:29:18] <Tinuva> and then http://cooperlees.com/blog/?p=335 for a example[11:29:21] <phyrne> Thanks Tinuva :)[11:29:57] <Tinuva> and those rules, look exactly like the rules I have on a freebsd server[11:30:10] <phyrne> Great, yeah the syntax looks similar[11:55:39] <phyrne> So, I hope some of you, perhaps even Alasdairrr, might be able to clear this up. Forgive me for digging up what is obviously old news, but I feel it's relevent considering I'm wanting to use OI; I've just read Alasdair's resignation announcement, and it's sparked some points of concern for me. Does the majority of this information still apply to the current state of OI? In particular the outdated software. Don't get me wrong, I don't want updates for the[11:58:07] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[11:58:40] <Tinuva> woah long message ther phyrne, but it got cut off after: Don't get me wrong, I don't want updates for the[11:59:21] <phyrne> Hah, yeah, apologies for the essay :p I'll paste it in segments[11:59:38] <phyrne> So, I hope some of you, perhaps even Alasdairrr, might be able to clear this up. Forgive me for digging up what is obviously old news, but I feel it's relevent considering I'm wanting to use OI; I've just read Alasdair's resignation announcement, and it's sparked some points of concern for me. Does the[11:59:43] <phyrne> majority of this informtion still apply to the current state of OI? In particular the outdatedO software.[11:59:46] <phyrne> Don't get me wrong, I don't want updates for the latest and greatest constantly, I'd just like a stable environment that I can rely on.[11:59:49] <phyrne> Has the state of OI improved since? Seeing that the latest release was fairly recent, I hope the case is that OI is now on, at least a somewhat, healthy, active path[12:00:09] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #openindiana[12:01:32] <Tinuva> there is some stuff that is still older, but easily fixed with http://www.pkgsrc.org/ for example[12:01:54] <Tinuva> I used that to get a newer version of Ruby, so that I could install qemu-toolkit for creating/launching KVM VMs[12:02:25] <Tinuva> with pkgsrc bootstrap environment, I haven't needed to compile anything yet myself[12:02:34] <Tinuva> but it depends on what software you need[12:03:46] <phyrne> Ah, okay, well that's certainly good news. Fortunately, I don't feel I'll have much need to source much software from outside the OS, I'll only be doing basic filesharing with this server, I doubt I'll need to install anything at all. With regards to the state of the project, is it still in a steady flow of active development, and has the situation improved in general since Alasdair's announcement?[12:05:47] <lennard> there are a few people who are doing very hard work on OI :)[12:06:06] <lennard> the recent 151a8 release and the hipster branch are the most visible results of that[12:06:10] <lennard> (see topic)[12:06:17] *** porkotron has joined #openindiana[12:13:14] <phyrne> lennard: Thanks very much for the info. The "hipster" branch? Is that the official name of the branch? :p[12:13:27] <lennard> I guess so :)[12:13:39] <lennard> I actually don't know all that much about it[12:13:49] <lennard> probably because I havent been able to find any info about it :P[12:13:52] <lennard> but its there! :)[12:13:53] <phyrne> Hah, it is, I like that[12:14:34] <lennard> oh I guess http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2013-May/002109.html explains it a bit[12:14:36] <phyrne> Well, it's good to hear some are working hard on OI. I'll try to contribute any way that I can once I'm up and running with it[12:14:53] <phyrne> Ah, nice one, cheers for the link[12:18:09] <Alasdairrr> https://github.com/OpenIndiana/oi-userland/commits/oi/hipster[12:20:03] <tsoome> the unfortunate thing with "modern" free software is that up to date and stable are mutually exclusive. if you wanna get up to date, you enter into version race, if you wanna be stable, you are instantly outdated.[12:20:06] *** Seony has quit IRC[12:21:59] *** Scall has quit IRC[12:22:01] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[12:22:28] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:26:14] *** blues_air has quit IRC[12:26:23] <phyrne> tsoome: Yeah, I agree. As I mentioned before, I doubt I'll need much, if anything, outside of the software that comes with OI, so it isn't much of a concern. My main point of concern was that OI was loosing movement in terms of development[12:26:29] *** Scall- has joined #openindiana[12:29:05] *** Scall- has quit IRC[12:38:29] <Tinuva> phyrne, well like you saw, a new release came out in 2013 August, and the kernel gets lotsa attention as well via other distributions ect[12:40:28] *** Agnar has joined #openindiana[12:43:42] <phyrne> Tinuva: Yup, great, well panic over. I'll still be using OI once my NAS arrives :)[13:05:44] *** gm152 has joined #openindiana[13:18:25] *** love_color_text has joined #openindiana[13:20:05] *** love_color_text has quit IRC[13:22:20] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[13:26:40] *** blues_air has quit IRC[13:35:51] *** szaydel has joined #openindiana[13:38:39] *** love_color_text has joined #openindiana[13:38:52] *** gm152 has quit IRC[13:45:00] *** tomww has quit IRC[14:17:00] *** movement has quit IRC[14:27:27] *** love_color_text has quit IRC[14:29:27] *** love_color_text has joined #openindiana[14:38:50] *** love_color_text has quit IRC[14:39:33] *** movement has joined #openindiana[14:53:39] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[15:01:02] *** sauce has quit IRC[15:01:25] *** sauce has joined #openindiana[15:07:02] *** Cenbe has quit IRC[15:08:34] *** Cenbe has joined #openindiana[15:14:51] *** thillux has joined #openindiana[15:21:32] *** alcir has quit IRC[15:22:10] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[15:23:00] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[15:27:50] *** blues_air has quit IRC[15:39:02] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:41:40] *** jamesd_ has quit IRC[15:42:32] *** bruges_ has joined #openindiana[15:42:54] *** bruges has quit IRC[15:45:47] *** arielb has joined #openindiana[15:54:12] *** phyrne has quit IRC[16:08:33] *** joltman has joined #openindiana[16:10:19] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:14:08] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:14:49] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[16:15:29] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[16:19:02] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[16:22:04] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[16:22:04] *** tomww has joined #openindiana[16:22:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o tomww[16:23:20] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[16:26:17] *** Fersure has quit IRC[16:28:04] *** blues_air has quit IRC[16:33:25] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[16:33:49] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[16:40:53] *** joelones has joined #openindiana[16:42:17] <joelones> was just wondering, i install openindiana in a vm with a LSI2008 (M1015) passthrough, I'm just not sure what speeds I should be getting. Basically 4 X 1 TB.[16:42:39] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[16:43:02] <joelones> i benchmarked it with dd, I believe I was getting ~150MBs writes without compression[16:43:18] <joelones> Does that sound about right?[16:44:29] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[16:48:43] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[17:05:36] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[17:06:15] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #openindiana[17:15:11] *** Scall has joined #openindiana[17:21:00] *** alcir has quit IRC[17:23:40] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[17:28:26] *** blues_air has quit IRC[17:39:29] *** joelones has quit IRC[17:42:22] *** rfm has joined #openindiana[18:17:02] *** Lee- has joined #openindiana[18:18:32] *** xenol has quit IRC[18:18:38] *** xenol has joined #openindiana[18:20:02] *** KermitTheFragger has quit IRC[18:29:06] *** thillux has quit IRC[18:33:18] *** altf2o has quit IRC[18:42:14] *** texarcana has quit IRC[18:46:27] *** ilovezfs has quit IRC[18:46:44] *** ilovezfs has joined #openindiana[18:47:12] *** ilovezfs has quit IRC[18:47:24] *** ilovezfs has joined #openindiana[18:48:47] *** texarcana has joined #openindiana[18:53:59] *** jaimef has quit IRC[18:57:56] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[19:02:51] *** jim80net has joined #openindiana[19:21:33] *** SonikkuAmerica has joined #openindiana[19:30:13] *** troydm has joined #openindiana[19:45:50] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[19:46:28] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[19:51:19] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:51:51] *** SonikkuAmerica has quit IRC[19:54:03] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[20:09:12] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[20:47:50] *** jaimef has quit IRC[20:49:07] *** Savis_ is now known as Savis[20:51:27] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[21:24:48] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[21:29:09] *** blues_air has quit IRC[21:36:15] *** jaimef has quit IRC[21:39:27] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[21:44:49] *** jaimef has quit IRC[21:44:57] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[21:46:17] *** alex3 has quit IRC[21:56:42] *** nikolam has quit IRC[22:08:23] *** Anton_ has quit IRC[22:09:26] *** ilovezfs_ has joined #openindiana[22:10:56] *** ilovezfs has quit IRC[22:12:05] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[22:12:10] *** ilovezfs_ is now known as ilovezfs[22:25:34] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[22:29:50] *** blues_air has quit IRC[22:37:53] *** Anton_ has joined #openindiana[22:48:16] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #openindiana[22:50:03] *** jaimef has quit IRC[22:55:28] *** jaimef has joined #openindiana[23:05:30] *** sac`away has quit IRC[23:09:07] *** sac`away has joined #openindiana[23:09:51] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[23:10:45] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[23:14:26] *** andy_js has quit IRC[23:17:31] *** Anton_ has quit IRC[23:25:45] *** Anton_ has joined #openindiana[23:25:59] *** blues_air has joined #openindiana[23:30:14] *** blues_air has quit IRC[23:33:24] *** joltman has quit IRC[23:51:16] *** master_o1_master has joined #openindiana[23:54:52] *** alanc has quit IRC[23:55:04] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[23:55:10] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[23:55:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc