September 23, 2012 
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September 23, 2012 [00:11:54] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[00:18:42] *** Uranio has quit IRC[00:24:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Triskelios[00:40:09] *** DocHolliday has quit IRC[00:46:46] *** khalfella has joined #openindiana[01:26:04] *** khalfella has quit IRC[01:27:06] *** Garo_ has quit IRC[01:27:38] *** Garo_ has joined #openindiana[01:30:51] *** oninoshiko has quit IRC[01:31:01] *** TomJ has quit IRC[01:31:54] *** oninoshiko has joined #openindiana[01:32:07] *** khalfella has joined #openindiana[01:35:18] <tsoome> with recent libevent it runs just fine in s11[01:46:26] *** SparkyFlary has joined #openindiana[01:46:56] <SparkyFlary> what's the difference between Solaris and Openindiana?[01:47:29] <patdk-lap> solaris diead, and oracle took it[01:47:43] <patdk-lap> well, oracle bought solaris[01:47:46] <patdk-lap> opensolaris died[01:48:01] <patdk-lap> openindiana with illumos is a continuation of opensolaris[01:51:34] *** pcbang has joined #openindiana[01:51:44] *** sojubang has quit IRC[01:53:52] <SparkyFlary> are Oracle Solaris and Openindiana the exact same thing?[01:54:55] <patdk-lap> would you consider redhat and debian the exact same thing?[01:55:55] <SparkyFlary> no[01:56:35] *** v12 has joined #openindiana[02:00:41] *** sojubang has joined #openindiana[02:02:36] *** pcbang has quit IRC[02:04:09] <SparkyFlary> so how much better is one than the other?[02:07:29] <patdk-lap> can anything in life be measured that way?[02:07:35] <patdk-lap> the question is, what is your goal[02:07:40] <patdk-lap> and what would fit the goal the best[02:07:50] *** zastaph has quit IRC[02:08:05] <nahamu> Oracle Solaris has ZFS crypto. That's the only reason I'd ever choose Solaris11 over OI.[02:08:27] <patdk-lap> nahamu it has commercial backed support[02:08:47] <patdk-lap> zfs crypto is overrated, so many ways to do that[02:08:54] <nahamu> I've found the source code more valuable than "support"[02:09:12] <patdk-lap> nahamu, yep, and that all goes into *your* goals :)[02:09:25] <patdk-lap> if your goals include, someone else to solve your problems :)[02:09:39] <patdk-lap> cause you don't want to pay a team yourself, or handle it yourself[02:10:02] <nahamu> I'd still take the illumos developers over the ones who stayed at Oracle.[02:10:36] <nahamu> and "svcs -L" :-P[02:10:59] <SparkyFlary> what if I were running a multi million dollar website with only me as webmaster and owner and programmer of it all with a big fat super computer in my room with fiber optics and all that crap. would this opendiana be my best choice?[02:11:59] <nahamu> depends how you architected the website.[02:12:11] <nahamu> OmniOS might be better than either (and has support)[02:12:48] <SparkyFlary> like say it was geniusly planned to be automated and handled by me and it's like youtube and ebay and facebook combined[02:14:38] <nahamu> Then there's probably more than 1 machine, more than 1 datacenter, and I'd tell you to pay Joyent for SmartDataCenter.[02:15:01] <nahamu> But I think I've developed a bias toward them...[02:16:14] <SparkyFlary> well let's say my computer will handle it cause it's so big and expensive[02:16:50] <SparkyFlary> would a free os server be best or a paid for one like solaris?[02:17:07] <nahamu> that goes back to patdk-lap's point[02:17:13] <nahamu> what do you want out of the OS?[02:17:34] <patdk-lap> so big and expensive is right[02:17:42] <SparkyFlary> I want to serve lots of people the best possible with one machine[02:17:45] <patdk-lap> this is why google/youtube/ebay/facebook, don't do big and expensive[02:17:59] <SparkyFlary> they don't?[02:18:16] <patdk-lap> oracle does big and expensive[02:18:24] <patdk-lap> not any of the sites you listed[02:19:04] <nahamu> (they also don't have only 1 "webmaster"-programmer)[02:19:09] <sommerfeld> SparkyFlary: the current best practice is to build for horizontal scalability. rather than one big server, get a whole bunch of small ones in different places around the planet.[02:19:25] *** b13n1u has quit IRC[02:19:43] <sommerfeld> (and, well, a current "small" server has got the capacity of what used to be a big expensive server)[02:20:11] <nahamu> hard drives die, power goes out, internet connectivity goes down.[02:21:10] <SparkyFlary> I know but let's say I can't get more than one machine[02:21:30] <SparkyFlary> would a free os be best or a paid for one like solaris?[02:21:43] <sommerfeld> If you can't get more than one machine, you can't afford a paid OS[02:21:55] <SparkyFlary> yea i can..[02:23:24] <SparkyFlary> I just want the best for my sweetheart[02:23:39] <SparkyFlary> my one and only[02:23:54] <SparkyFlary> <3[02:29:58] *** hunter has quit IRC[02:46:35] *** dandyd449 has joined #openindiana[02:47:06] <dandyd449> is there an 18TB limit in oi?[02:51:22] <dandyd449> i have 8 3TB drives... zfs list shows 18.0 TB free[02:54:06] <patdk-lap> do you know what a 3tb drive is?[02:54:30] <patdk-lap> 2.7tb[02:54:35] <patdk-lap> 8*2.7=?[02:54:41] *** Seony has quit IRC[02:54:50] <patdk-lap> plus, how did you *arrange* them?[02:56:37] <break19> plus, filesystem overhead[02:57:24] *** jellydonut has quit IRC[02:58:15] <dandyd449> http://pastebin.com/8imQyuyJ[02:58:27] <dandyd449> should end up with 19.1TB[02:59:46] <patdk-lap> zfs get all storage0[03:00:28] <patdk-lap> hmm, actually it might be calculating in all your wasted space[03:00:37] <patdk-lap> cause I'm sure those disks show up as 4k sector[03:00:52] <patdk-lap> ya[03:00:55] <richlowe> In general, everyone gets confused by the same thing you're confused by[03:00:58] <richlowe> and nobody documents why[03:01:02] <patdk-lap> 128k blocksize / 7 = 18.3k[03:01:19] <patdk-lap> so 2k wasted per 18k used per disk[03:01:25] <richlowe> I thought the internals wiki had a faq about it[03:03:04] <patdk-lap> 9% diskspace wasted cause you used 7 datadisks[03:03:06] <patdk-lap> :([03:03:14] <dandyd449> http://pastebin.com/yDkuqtkp[03:03:50] <dandyd449> hmm...[03:04:26] *** khalfella has quit IRC[03:04:39] <dandyd449> is there a better way then?[03:05:02] <dandyd449> diff block size maybe[03:07:16] *** SparkyFlary has left #openindiana[03:18:15] *** Zenos has quit IRC[03:19:20] *** OMV-User has quit IRC[03:20:44] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[03:21:23] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[03:36:37] <dandyd449> hmm there isnt really a way to not lose all that space with 8 drives is there[03:36:43] *** OMV-User has joined #openindiana[03:47:49] *** Webhostbudd has joined #openindiana[04:10:53] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[04:12:18] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[04:16:22] *** ozquera has quit IRC[04:19:39] *** OverOnTheRock has joined #openindiana[04:28:07] *** ocherno has joined #openindiana[04:28:47] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[04:33:20] *** dandyd449 has quit IRC[04:33:37] *** dandyd449 has joined #openindiana[04:34:44] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[04:37:14] <oninoshiko> hrm... does pkg cache packages that I install and uninstall?[04:37:58] *** ocherno has left #openindiana[04:39:03] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[04:39:11] <patdk-lap> maybe[04:39:19] <patdk-lap> in /var/pkg/publisher/[04:40:30] <patdk-lap> doesn't seem large enough though[04:42:14] *** OverOnTheRock has left #openindiana[04:43:23] <oninoshiko> at 166M (on my system) it storeing something...[04:43:58] <patdk-lap> hmm, mine is mostly 5k files[04:44:17] <oninoshiko> considering all I'm getting is a permissions problem in a manifest (which i fixed), it could be caching...[04:46:14] *** Neddie has quit IRC[04:54:18] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[04:55:31] *** sam_wan1 has joined #openindiana[04:57:29] <sam_wan1> can someone pls tell me how I can create a iso from nightly build packages[04:57:30] <sam_wan1> I've read this wiki page https://www.illumos.org/boards/3/topics/364[04:57:30] <sam_wan1> and followed its instructions[04:57:30] <sam_wan1> but it complains no packages found[04:57:30] <sam_wan1> ------------------------------------------[04:57:31] <sam_wan1> pkg list: no packages matching 'pkg:/system/install/gui-install, pkg:/entire, pkg:/slim_install, pkg:/system/install/media/internal' allowed by installed incorporations or image variants that are known or installed[04:57:31] <sam_wan1> Use -af to allow all versions.[04:57:31] <sam_wan1> Traceback (most recent call last):[04:57:32] <sam_wan1> File "/usr/share/distro_const/im_pop.py", line 515, in <module>[04:57:32] <sam_wan1> "repository")[04:57:33] <sam_wan1> Exception: /usr/share/distro_const/im_pop.py: Unable to verify the contents of the specified IPS repository[04:57:33] <sam_wan1> -----------------------------[04:59:30] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[05:01:28] *** 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Anyone else observed the installer switching the keyboard layout on its own?[12:29:34] <xl0> And failing to display the language it switched to, of course.[12:36:17] *** pjfloyd has joined #openindiana[12:37:39] *** pjfloyd has quit IRC[12:41:39] *** APTX_ has joined #openindiana[12:41:42] *** APTX has quit IRC[12:48:41] *** zastaph has joined #openindiana[12:51:28] <tsoome> not really, bad media or dvd reader combination maybe?[12:55:25] <xl0> Nope, probably some qemu-related problem then.[12:59:41] *** APTX_ has quit IRC[12:59:53] *** APTX has joined #openindiana[13:07:48] *** benben159 has joined #openindiana[13:18:30] *** kcrowe has left #openindiana[13:25:19] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[13:26:19] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[13:27:25] *** benben159 has quit IRC[14:30:09] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[14:34:45] *** Sachiru has joined #openindiana[15:09:38] *** gwr has quit IRC[15:30:45] *** SupremeOverlord has joined #openindiana[15:36:22] *** TomJ has joined #openindiana[15:36:22] *** TomJ has quit IRC[15:36:23] *** TomJ has joined #openindiana[15:48:11] *** ira has joined #openindiana[15:53:03] *** ira has quit IRC[16:04:51] *** andy_js has quit IRC[16:12:17] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[16:30:33] *** Seony has quit IRC[16:40:27] *** riccardo has joined #openindiana[17:42:33] *** heldchen has quit IRC[17:45:15] *** heldchen has joined #openindiana[17:51:41] *** sojubang has joined #openindiana[18:21:52] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[18:34:12] *** sojubang has quit IRC[18:40:02] *** Sachiru has quit IRC[19:12:04] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[19:18:42] *** slx86 has quit IRC[19:44:43] *** merzo has quit IRC[19:52:17] *** doug_ndndn1 has joined #openindiana[19:52:27] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[19:57:09] *** doug_ndndn has quit IRC[20:01:45] *** andy_js has quit IRC[20:04:47] *** silentusr has joined #openindiana[20:05:53] *** silentusr has left #openindiana[20:07:08] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[20:10:41] *** andy_js has quit IRC[20:10:47] *** andy_js_ has joined #openindiana[20:17:58] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[20:19:29] <richlowe> xl0: I've had problems in emulation where everyone was trying to screw with the keymap at once, and so 'a' converted to qwerty 'a' scancode converted to 'a' ... except if any of those maps aren't qwerty, trash comes out[20:29:07] *** slx86 has quit IRC[20:40:34] *** riccardo has quit IRC[20:40:41] <Wraithhh> Is there any way to tell zfs to avoid a disk without actually offlining it (and thereby compromising redundancy)?[20:43:39] <lblume> Ignoring redundancy without compromising it? The way you say it, it sounds a little contradictory.[20:44:03] <Wraithhh> ie. use only as a last resort[20:44:41] *** Neddie has quit IRC[20:45:48] <Wraithhh> I have a raidz3 pool and another disk has already been (offlined and ) removed and is being replaced. Now there is a second bad disk, but I wouldn't like to offline it yet[20:45:58] <Wraithhh> it's making the pool a bit slow tough[20:46:37] <Wraithhh> I could offline it, but then the resilver would start over and I would be down to single disk redundancy[21:00:02] *** Okona has quit IRC[21:05:17] <lblume> Even offlined, it will keep its data and would be usable if onlined[21:13:18] *** ancoron has quit IRC[21:13:19] *** Okona has joined #openindiana[21:13:31] *** ancoron has joined #openindiana[21:26:10] <RoyK> Wraithhh: just offline it, it'll die eventually[21:26:42] <RoyK> Wraithhh: all drives must be part of resilver, otherwise, it's waste, so offlining a dying drive is ok[21:27:11] <RoyK> Wraithhh: also, if you don't offline it, and the resilver takes a week, who knows what might happen during that time?[21:30:19] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[21:38:03] *** CVLTCMK0 has quit IRC[21:47:18] *** riccardo has joined #openindiana[21:55:09] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[21:59:02] *** Seony has quit IRC[22:13:40] *** _khalfella_ has joined #openindiana[22:25:15] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[22:58:08] *** andy_js_ has quit IRC[22:59:19] *** Kaishi has quit IRC[23:00:17] *** DocHolliday has joined #openindiana[23:01:13] *** DocHolliday has quit IRC[23:01:47] *** Kaishi has joined #openindiana[23:07:14] *** ancoron_ has joined #openindiana[23:08:04] *** Kaishi has quit IRC[23:11:14] *** ancoron has quit IRC[23:16:52] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[23:32:38] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[23:33:38] *** andy_js has quit IRC