September 13, 2012 
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implicitly created...so I guess I'll accept what I'm reading[02:19:42] <copec> heh[02:20:23] <ball> I'm off in search of a plastic spoon.[02:20:27] <ball> Wish me luck![02:27:33] *** CVLTCMK0 has joined #openindiana[02:34:06] *** api has joined #openindiana[02:49:06] *** Seony^Zzz is now known as Seony[03:02:09] *** jellydonut has quit IRC[03:03:42] *** imaxs has quit IRC[03:04:39] *** ira has quit IRC[03:05:56] *** Seony has quit IRC[03:19:36] *** Zenos has quit IRC[03:24:52] *** Sachiru has joined #openindiana[03:54:42] *** movement has joined #openindiana[04:12:26] *** riccardo has joined #openindiana[04:13:50] *** ajeffco_ has joined #openindiana[04:14:05] *** movement has quit IRC[04:17:43] *** ajeffco has quit IRC[04:23:04] *** api has quit IRC[04:27:40] *** Sachiru has quit IRC[04:29:56] *** ajeffco_ has quit IRC[04:30:13] *** jamon has quit IRC[04:30:43] *** riccardo has quit IRC[04:51:53] *** POloser has joined #openindiana[04:52:01] *** POloser has left #openindiana[04:53:53] 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#openindiana[07:54:08] <ball> Is there an easy way to tell what hard disks are installed?[07:54:17] <ball> (manufacturer & model)?[07:57:02] <tsoome> iostat -En[07:59:38] <ball> Thanks[08:05:13] <ball> I'm probably about to reformat my machine. I'm impressed by OpenIndiana so far though.[08:05:44] <ball> brb, switching machines[08:05:46] *** ball has quit IRC[08:18:08] *** ChanServ has quit IRC[08:28:12] *** gregburd has quit IRC[08:33:15] *** nightwalk has quit IRC[08:34:43] *** ball has joined #openindiana[08:35:54] *** davenz has quit IRC[08:44:41] *** Micr0mega has joined #openindiana[08:55:11] *** xenol has quit IRC[08:55:18] *** xenol has joined #openindiana[08:56:46] *** ball has quit IRC[08:57:16] *** ball has joined #openindiana[09:00:57] *** anikin has joined #openindiana[09:03:33] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[09:04:13] *** LeftWing has joined #openindiana[09:04:25] *** Hedonisto has quit IRC[09:06:18] *** Hedonisto has joined #openindiana[09:06:30] *** Zenos has joined #openindiana[09:09:20] *** Hedonisto has quit IRC[09:09:55] *** Hedonisto has joined #openindiana[09:10:55] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:11:16] *** Hedonisto has quit IRC[09:12:37] *** tsoome has quit IRC[09:13:28] *** Webhostbudd has quit 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physically identical drives[16:06:00] <lblume> sanvisum|work: It happens when they've been partitioned with different values for C/H/S[16:06:00] <patdk-wk> you aren't using ahci mode? so some are showing as ide and some sata?[16:06:01] <sanvisum|work> same model number, etc[16:06:17] <patdk-wk> ah, wipe the disk :)[16:06:18] <sanvisum|work> these are sas drives on a sas adapter, not sure that AHCI applies[16:06:26] <patdk-wk> na, sas shouldn't matter[16:06:48] <patdk-wk> but ya, if the disks where used in another system, ya[16:06:55] <lblume> Wiping at least the first sectors of the disk, then rebooting is usually the only method to get rid of that.[16:07:12] <sanvisum|work> yea. how do I wipe the drive? just a dd of some sufficient count?[16:07:13] <lblume> Different OS's/BIOS's can have different ideas on the CHS values to use.[16:07:24] *** Uranio has joined #openindiana[16:07:26] <lblume> Yeah, dd from /dev/zero of a few MB is enough.[16:07:29] <patdk-wk> the first and last sector would do it, normally the first would be enough[16:07:54] <sanvisum|work> didn't we talk about the first/last thing the other day? I don't know how to wipe the end of a drive with dd :)[16:08:16] <sanvisum|work> I'll run dd on these four drives[16:08:21] <patdk-wk> dd if=/dev/zero of=disk bs=512 seek=sectors-10[16:08:22] <lblume> the end should not matter in that case[16:08:43] <dandyd449> Does that work?[16:08:43] <sanvisum|work> weird, they are only reporting like .## mb off, it just stood out to me as "that's odd"[16:09:08] <patdk-wk> dandyd449, only when using large hammers[16:09:16] <patdk-wk> no, you have to calculate sectors-10 yourself[16:09:31] <patdk-wk> fdisk will tell you sectors though[16:09:35] <dandyd449> Oh lol i was like wow...[16:09:40] <patdk-wk> just replace last few numbers with 0 and your good :)[16:09:44] *** bayoda has joined #openindiana[16:10:15] <sanvisum|work> so on that dd, it's length - 10?[16:10:26] <sanvisum|work> *length from fdisk[16:11:14] <bayoda> Hi there - :-( read the article on resign of alasdair - what's the future now ? (not a progammer myself - but love to use openindiana) -> would hate to go to linux desktop[16:11:16] <patdk-wk> well, max sectors from fdisk[16:12:31] <patdk-wk> oh, oi fdisk doesn't show sectors[16:12:40] <lblume> parted?[16:12:44] <sanvisum|work> cylinders[16:12:54] <lblume> prtvtoc?[16:12:55] <patdk-wk> could do cylinders more work though[16:13:37] <patdk-wk> prtvtoc will do it[16:13:50] <patdk-wk> * Dimensions:[16:13:50] <patdk-wk> * 512 bytes/sector[16:13:51] <patdk-wk> * 3905945600 sectors[16:13:51] <patdk-wk> * 3905945533 accessible sectors[16:14:39] <patdk-wk> I would round accessible sectors down[16:14:47] <patdk-wk> seek=3905945500[16:15:54] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[16:21:03] <lblume> Weren't there some magical formulas somewhere to calculate the probability of dataloss in a volume? I'm trying to assess the difference between raidz2, raidz1+0, raidz2+0.[16:21:15] *** wonko2 is now known as wonko[16:22:46] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:27:54] <patdk-wk> I don't know of any magic[16:28:10] <patdk-wk> but the more data it is, the longer the rebuild times, and the more at risk you are[16:28:25] <Sachiru> Question: Assume that I have sixteen thin provisioned zones, all running MySQL (different databases). They inevitably will have common pages in memory, since they're all running the same mysql binary. Does each zone hold its own copy in memory of mysql, or does it somehow save memory by having common pages containing common mysql parts?[16:28:36] <Sachiru> And yes, try to keep rebuild times less than MTTF of the drive.[16:29:33] <patdk-wk> for zones? I don't know, but I would assume not[16:29:43] <patdk-wk> normally that stuff is done based on the same file/inode[16:29:49] <patdk-wk> and in that case they would be different[16:30:10] <Sachiru> Ah.[16:30:33] <patdk-wk> but this is based purely on the linux knowledge :) so it might not apply at all :)[16:31:10] <Sachiru> Basically, do I get to save memory when running the same app in different zones by having a single common base in memory?[16:31:29] <Sachiru> Hmm.[16:31:33] <Sachiru> Looks like testing is needed.[16:31:45] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[16:31:49] <patdk-wk> I wouldn't worry about it much[16:31:58] <patdk-wk> the MOST memory savings you will have is like 2 or 3megs[16:32:26] <patdk-wk> cause it would only work for the binary/libs not the data, and it's the data that will use all the ram[16:34:29] <Sachiru> Yeah, but the particular use case that I have in mind is minecraft.[16:34:44] <Sachiru> Which typically balloons in memory, caching common maps.[16:34:55] *** kart_ has quit IRC[16:35:02] <patdk-wk> that is data[16:35:04] <Sachiru> Like, all sixteen minecraft server zones host the same map and have nearly the same data set.[16:35:10] <patdk-wk> that wouldn't be normal common memory[16:35:17] <patdk-wk> it would need a scanning dedup memory thing[16:35:28] <patdk-wk> like how kvm does (but I don't think that part of kvm has been ported yet)[16:35:43] <Sachiru> No, I mean that all sixteen minecraft zones are practically identical.[16:35:53] <Sachiru> The only difference is usernames and passwords (login).[16:36:07] <patdk-wk> yes, but normally duplicate memory page reuse is for libraries only[16:36:11] <Sachiru> Everything else is identical, so I figured if it did memory dedup, that will be really nice.[16:36:19] <patdk-wk> last I knew, a map file was data, not a executable function[16:36:23] <Sachiru> Ah well, one can dream.[16:36:30] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[16:36:55] <patdk-wk> ya, dunno if kvm has that yet[16:37:13] <patdk-wk> but that would be the best bet[16:39:27] <Sachiru> Hmm.[16:39:42] <Sachiru> Looks like I need to research another way to conserve memory consumption then.[16:42:18] <patdk-wk> use kvm/esxi[16:42:25] <patdk-wk> they will dedup memory[16:45:10] *** ira has joined #openindiana[16:45:33] *** anikin has quit IRC[16:45:38] <Sachiru> Uh.[16:45:57] *** nikolam has quit IRC[16:46:01] <Sachiru> Just confirmed: The KVM port of Joyent does not dedup memory.[16:47:10] *** Micr0mega has left #openindiana[16:48:05] *** gosx has joined #openindiana[16:50:38] <patdk-wk> ya I didn't think so[16:50:43] <patdk-wk> just the linux one[16:53:19] <tomww> for big iron in a datacenter you think you have enough RAM installed on the host[16:53:58] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[16:55:06] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[16:57:18] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[17:02:26] *** ball has joined #openindiana[17:07:44] *** loganbr` has joined #openindiana[17:07:49] *** SupremeOverlord has joined #openindiana[17:08:18] *** SupremeOverlord has quit IRC[17:08:52] *** sommerfeld_work has quit IRC[17:09:00] *** sommerfeld has joined #openindiana[17:09:18] *** loganbr has quit IRC[17:10:22] <copec> from my understanding, the memory deduplication is separate from kvm[17:11:14] <copec> it is a separate part of the linux kernel[17:11:52] <Sachiru> Eh, the thing is, the only thing I need to zone is the Java app running as the server.[17:11:57] <Sachiru> Everything else is a waste.[17:12:05] <copec> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kernel-shared-memory/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LX-KSMdth-LX[17:13:34] *** tsoome_ has joined #openindiana[17:13:52] *** tsoome_ has quit IRC[17:16:14] <patdk-wk> hopefully you can get the app to *align* map files to pages[17:16:34] <patdk-wk> when buffered in ram, to mazimize ram page dedup[17:16:37] *** tsoome has quit IRC[17:17:56] <patdk-wk> heh, I have 0 pages dedupped on this machine[17:18:31] <patdk-wk> and 0 on my server[17:18:41] <patdk-wk> oh, it's not running on my server[17:20:37] <dandyd449> What are some good numbers on l2arc and zil drives? Size wise.[17:20:50] <patdk-wk> not anoyher question like that[17:20:54] <dandyd449> Lol[17:20:56] <patdk-wk> depends on your working set[17:21:02] <Sachiru> @dandy: Depends on how big your working set is.[17:21:21] <dandyd449> I know...[17:21:46] <patdk-wk> you know, if you used all ssd's for your pool., you don't need to worry about l2arc/zil :)[17:22:38] <patdk-wk> otherwise I can only say, somewhere between 0 and 100% of your pool size[17:23:05] <dandyd449> ... 2 mirrored 60gb drives suffice? For a pool of 24tb?[17:23:31] <patdk-wk> and your working set size?[17:23:55] <patdk-wk> hmm, 512g is just enough for me, with 2tb pool size[17:23:56] <dandyd449> Actually more importantly i want to use the pool for iscsi for an esx host[17:24:12] <patdk-wk> more importantly, what is your working set size?[17:24:51] <patdk-wk> with esx you will never have enough[17:24:59] <patdk-wk> you should be shooting for atleast 25-50%[17:25:12] <patdk-wk> or, find out the real working set size :)[17:25:19] * patdk-wk notices a common thread here[17:25:34] <dandyd449> Cant because i have built it yet lol[17:25:47] <dandyd449> Havnt[17:25:55] <Sachiru> Then guesstimate perhaps?[17:26:33] <patdk-wk> it's really not hard, iwant to install x onto esxi, it uses y, I want to install x2 on esxi, it uses y2[17:26:36] <patdk-wk> add them up[17:26:56] <patdk-wk> I doubt your just building an esxi host, and then going install random unknown crap to it[17:27:16] *** dizko_ has joined #openindiana[17:27:19] <dandyd449> Lab host so its possible[17:27:36] <patdk-wk> well, full ssd pool it is :)[17:27:42] <dandyd449> Lol[17:28:43] <dandyd449> Anyone got a 10% off coupon? This is gonna hurt.[17:29:10] *** hunter has quit IRC[17:29:57] *** Vutral has quit IRC[17:35:06] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[17:37:55] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[17:55:02] *** gregburd has quit IRC[17:58:25] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[18:04:51] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[18:08:30] <ball> hello Vutral and hunter[18:08:43] *** melik has joined #openindiana[18:11:04] *** sanvisum|work has quit IRC[18:18:58] *** Sachiru has quit IRC[18:31:58] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[18:35:08] *** heldchen has joined #openindiana[18:38:52] *** nightwalk has joined #openindiana[18:41:11] *** Whoopsie has quit IRC[18:50:45] *** nikolam has quit IRC[19:00:46] *** SupremeOverlord has joined #openindiana[19:05:08] *** tsoome has quit IRC[19:05:25] *** master_o1_master has quit IRC[19:07:00] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[19:07:04] *** enricop has joined #openindiana[19:08:05] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[19:10:04] *** jollyd has quit IRC[19:15:00] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[19:36:54] <Vutral> hi ball[19:37:06] <Vutral> i just wondered that you are in netbsd and here[19:41:50] <ball> Vutral: Over the past 13 years or so I've used NetBSD a lot. Before that i used other unices including SunOS. I recently tried OpenIndiana and I liked it.[19:42:48] <ball> Vutral: for a production environment it's important to keep your options open. Part of that is evaluating different server operating systems.[19:43:14] <ball> ...so I know what's available *before* I need it.[19:43:37] <ira> ball: Well said.[19:44:21] <ball> ira: Why thank you. I think I feel a blog post coming on. ;-)[19:48:29] *** enricop has quit IRC[19:52:50] *** gore_ is now known as gore[20:00:25] *** troydm has quit IRC[20:09:32] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[20:16:22] *** kart_ has quit IRC[20:18:44] *** gwr has joined #openindiana[20:37:14] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[20:38:27] *** sanvisum|work has joined #openindiana[20:41:43] *** hunter_ has joined #openindiana[20:44:44] *** hunter has quit IRC[20:46:17] *** hunter_ has quit IRC[20:49:49] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[20:49:49] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[20:53:05] *** hunter has joined #openindiana[20:57:13] *** ball has quit IRC[20:59:32] <sanvisum|work> I wasn't able to dd earlier, I did add the disks to a pool and destroy it, and that "fixed" the disk sizes from the four disks[20:59:59] <sanvisum|work> so all are now equal[21:01:39] *** Hedonisto has joined #openindiana[21:04:52] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[21:06:50] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[21:08:15] <sanvisum|work> is there any drawback to mixing whole disks and disk slices in a pool?[21:12:20] *** APTX_ is now known as APTX[21:13:43] <lblume> It's not elegant.[21:14:13] <tsoome> management hell[21:14:26] <lblume> Also will probably have some minor performance impact by disabling write cache on the sliced disks[21:14:36] <tsoome> in general, if you can help it, keep same setup trough the pool[21:15:33] <tsoome> people can get awfully confused about sliced versus EFI labeled disks[21:16:35] <tsoome> only few days ago some engineer was trying to tell me the system is bugged because "something" is putting EFI label on disk and he cant mirror rpool....[21:16:51] *** gregburd has joined #openindiana[21:17:00] <lblume> *nods* pain, pain, pain. Not worth it, compared to the cost of buying a couple of identical drives[21:18:11] *** ivo_ has quit IRC[21:18:41] *** SupremeOverlord1 has joined #openindiana[21:20:08] <tsoome> technically you can do it just fine:)[21:20:49] <lblume> Sure, technically, you can do a lot of things with zfs :-)[21:21:41] <tsoome> i had funny argument with another guy today. basically, it appears im old (assembler loving) fart, because i don't like the idea of mixing different raid levels on same disk:)[21:22:11] <lblume> wait, mixing different raid level on *one* disk?[21:22:15] *** SupremeOverlord1 has quit IRC[21:22:40] <tsoome> or sharing disks under different raids, yep[21:22:41] <lblume> Like, use software raid to mix and match partitions?[21:23:00] <tsoome> yep[21:23:17] <lblume> with what? SVM? Linux MD?[21:23:33] <tsoome> stuff like EVA and friends are doing:D[21:23:49] <lblume> I don't know that. I might b too old[21:24:04] <tsoome> so is eva:D[21:24:39] <lblume> really? what does it work on?[21:24:47] <tsoome> but i have been told, 3par is doing the same. never checked myself, so i cant really tell[21:25:55] <lblume> People have a right to break their stuff in new and interesting ways, I guess[21:26:10] <tsoome> hehe[21:26:40] <IRConan> smartarray controllers do the same[21:26:43] <IRConan> and yes 3par[21:27:04] <tsoome> aye, smartarray as well[21:27:23] <lblume> Do they? Not those I have, then[21:27:31] <tsoome> as i have told, its the "innovative way to manage hardware"[21:27:52] <tsoome> and since i dont like it, im just old fart:D[21:28:13] <tsoome> which, ofc, may just be the truth anyhow:D[21:28:24] <IRConan> lblume: you can't do it in the BIOS option ROM interface but if you run the array management tool you can make multiple volumes with different levels on one array[21:28:45] <lblume> tsoome: I think you can both be right *and* an old fart ;-)[21:28:54] <tsoome> hehe[21:29:16] <tsoome> i hope i'll get my s11 certification tomorrow:)[21:29:21] <lblume> IRConan: Ah, ok, I've not used the cli much. Not exactly user friendly stuff,[21:29:40] <IRConan> lblume: you can do it with the GUI management tool too[21:29:54] *** deraps_ is now known as deraps[21:30:25] <lblume> I don't do guis :-)[21:30:44] <IRConan> so don't like CLI because not user friendly... don't like GUI,...[21:30:49] <IRConan> what interface do you use?[21:31:20] <tsoome> lol[21:31:22] <lblume> It's not that I don't like gui. I just don't do it. Can't be installed on our systems.[21:31:42] <lblume> So either firmware or cli, and I bitch a lot when I have to rtdm the cli,[21:31:49] <lblume> rtfm, even.[21:33:27] <sanvisum|work> so, the consensus is not to mix and match efi and slices. was just trying to add in more disks to the four I have for a better/wider setup[21:33:40] <sanvisum|work> had some extra drives laying around that were larger[21:34:20] <lblume> Better keep data pools homogenous and just create a new one.[21:34:56] <sanvisum|work> unfortunately, all the extra drives are different sizes[21:34:59] <tsoome> if you can replace your smaller ones with same as the new, you get both[21:35:41] <tsoome> what layout your pool has btw?[21:35:42] <sanvisum|work> not sure if I'll be able to do that[21:36:29] <sanvisum|work> was going to be two raidz vdevs w/ one spare. 7 physical drives. and the leftover ssd from my rpool as an l2arc if necessary[21:36:59] <tsoome> so you are adding another raidz vdev?[21:37:25] <sanvisum|work> oh... no, it hasn't been created yet.[21:37:45] <tsoome> you can create whole disk raidz there from new disks, so you can use that extra space as well[21:37:49] <sanvisum|work> the "original" design was 4x 146 in a raidz[21:38:26] <lblume> small small small[21:38:29] <tsoome> altho, in ideal world, the whole pool should have identical vdev setup[21:38:46] <tsoome> just its not always possible to live in ideal world:)[21:42:07] <sanvisum|work> yea, it's only critical family data. pictures, home videos, etc.[21:42:19] <tsoome> basically, keep same vdev setup, similar disks in same vdev. its ok to create pool like (2+1) + (2+1) + spare[21:42:20] <sanvisum|work> so I had 3 extra drives laying around[21:42:32] <sanvisum|work> of larger sizes, so enter the though of using slices[21:42:40] <tsoome> if you have smaller ones in one vdev, you can replace them for larger ones later[21:42:51] <sanvisum|work> these are all 2.5" drives, so it's a nice physically small machine[21:43:05] <sanvisum|work> old laptop drives, etc[21:43:11] <tsoome> aye[21:43:52] <sanvisum|work> and yea, that's why I thought to make two seperated vdevs so as I can get new drives of a larger hopefully equal size, I only need to replace 3 at a time[21:44:21] <tsoome> the idea is that if you have same raidz's in different vdevs, the pool architecture will remain reasonable and even if initially the vdev size is different, you can fix it later if you like[21:45:03] <sanvisum|work> righto. and it still offers some reasonable performance and resiliancy[21:45:15] <tsoome> and you still have access the whole space for time being[21:45:25] <sanvisum|work> the wife will be the one that uses it the most so it needs to work well :)[21:45:33] <tsoome> :D[21:45:57] <sanvisum|work> I was going to create another pool of the "leftover" space on the larger drives for me to use for scratch type stuff[21:46:09] <sanvisum|work> just a mirror, nothing fancy[21:46:27] <tsoome> if i have 3x72GB and 4x146GB, i would do 2+1 for one vdev, and 2+1 from another and use remaining one for spare[21:46:39] <tsoome> all whole disk setup[21:48:26] <sanvisum|work> and I did that earlier after reading that creating/destroying a pool fixes disk c/h/s issues, it fixed the disk size problem[21:48:40] <tsoome> tbh, slicing up larger one and sharing between mirror and raidz would make even less sense[21:48:46] <sanvisum|work> and all the disks now show in format 146GB EFI partition[21:49:53] <sanvisum|work> will the pool use all the usable space from each vdev? or will it be the smallest raidz x2?[21:50:22] <tsoome> you have to have same size within single vdev, and yes, it will use all vdev space[21:51:03] <tsoome> thats why you dont wanna mix different size disks in *same* vdev[21:51:08] <sanvisum|work> ahhh[21:53:30] *** Uranio has quit IRC[21:54:14] <tsoome> sharing disks between 2 pools have its own problems - you can loose performance, and if the disk will die, you have 2 pools affected, not just one[21:55:07] <sanvisum|work> yea, that was understood[21:55:18] *** slx86 has quit IRC[21:56:05] *** hunter has quit IRC[21:56:13] *** troydm has joined #openindiana[21:56:42] <tsoome> so if your problem was if you can have different size vdevs in pool, the answer is - yes you can.[22:05:46] <sanvisum|work> well... it was more along the lines of "how can better utilize what I have on hand". And one goal was to slice the disks up so that the vdevs were the same size[22:09:29] *** Kaishi has joined #openindiana[22:20:38] *** bruges_ has quit IRC[22:22:07] <tsoome> aye, if i have understood you correctly, you don't need to:)[22:22:43] *** bruges has joined #openindiana[22:38:38] <nikolam> What should I do with this: pkg publisher[22:38:38] <nikolam> An error was encountered while attempting to read image state information[22:38:38] <nikolam> to perform the requested operation. Details follow:[22:38:38] <nikolam> Catalog file '/var/pkg/state/installed/catalog.attrs' is invalid.[22:38:48] <nikolam> sorry for long paste :([22:41:52] <Woodstock> afaik, revert to a snapshot where it still works[22:49:27] <sanvisum|work> tsoome: Correct, I don't need to[22:49:46] <sanvisum|work> tsoome: Thanks for the feedback[22:50:18] <tsoome> you are welcome[22:50:41] <tsoome> nikolam: check its contents?[22:50:50] <sanvisum|work> the next step will be getting two equal size smallish disks for rpool[22:50:52] <sanvisum|work> mirroring[22:52:33] *** n2deep has quit IRC[22:57:27] *** Kaishi has quit IRC[22:58:49] *** sjorge has quit IRC[22:59:07] *** sjorge has joined #openindiana[23:00:14] *** DocHoliday has joined #openindiana[23:00:26] <nikolam> tsoome, it is empty[23:00:56] <tsoome> check snapshots?[23:06:19] <nikolam> tsoome, http://pastebin.com/VgggxSdw[23:06:42] <nikolam> maybe I should restore it[23:06:51] *** ancoron has joined #openindiana[23:06:55] *** DocHoliday has quit IRC[23:07:00] <tsoome> since yours is empty, you can try[23:07:18] <tsoome> hopefully it will get updated ...:D[23:08:37] <nikolam> tsoome, , you it is refreshing now. After that I will hit to an update problem, but it is different issue :)[23:10:01] * nikolam got to go, loving you all.[23:10:06] *** nikolam has quit IRC[23:10:48] *** ancoron_ has quit IRC[23:22:53] *** break19 has quit IRC[23:23:59] *** break19 has joined #openindiana[23:25:53] *** Uranio has joined #openindiana[23:30:51] *** andy_js has quit IRC[23:52:42] *** eadric has quit IRC[23:52:52] <Patrickdk> sanvisum|work, equal size is not needed[23:53:01] <Patrickdk> personally I like 60-80gigs for rpool[23:53:31] <Patrickdk> now, I have some 320 and 500gig disks for them, but I normally only format thefirst 100gigs for use, so it's easy to change[23:54:06] *** eadric has joined #openindiana