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[02:00:05] <wonko> ok, so i'm trying to build transmission, which requires pkg-config, which isn't in IPS and is a complete pain in the balls to build. Am I just totally boned or is there some magic IPS repo out there that has all this shit?
[02:00:51] <richlowe> pkg-config _is_ in IPS
[02:01:05] <wonko> ok, so where? i don't see it
[02:01:56] <richlowe> the hilariously misnamed pkg:/developer/gnome/gettext at 0 dot 5.11-0.151.1.2
[02:01:59] <richlowe> Sorry, I was looking for it
[02:02:03] <richlowe> I remembered it was a stupid package, not which.
[02:02:11] <richlowe> pkg search -r /usr/bin/pkg-config would probably have found it for you
[02:03:18] <wonko> oh, i'll have to remember that -r flag, that's nifty
[02:03:23] <wonko> and no wonder i couldn't find it. :)
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[05:41:57] <DrLou> Hmmm. doing a large rsync, and seeing horrifically slow performance - like < 100kB/s, for the most part.
[05:42:09] <DrLou> Is there any OI-ish thing I might be missing?
[05:42:22] <DrLou> source is rsyncd from Ubuntu server.
[05:42:37] <DrLou> no ssh, though we are compressing.
[05:44:16] <richlowe> nothing I can think of
[05:44:26] <richlowe> obvious thing to pin down is where the slowness is
[05:44:33] <richlowe> what's rsyncd waiting for?
[05:44:40] <richlowe> ... except it's ubuntu, so that's probably a bit hard to work out
[05:44:54] <richlowe> I guess look at what the client is waiting for, network? disk?
[05:51:59] <DrLou> I wish I knew enough about Ubuntu to know what to look for...
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[05:52:20] <richlowe> on the ubuntu end, I have no idea how
[05:52:27] <richlowe> that's why I was suggesting looking at whether our end was waiting on the network
[05:52:34] <richlowe> dtrace, a few runs of pstack, etc.
[05:52:48] <richlowe> if we're waiting on the network, chances are the remote or the network is at fault
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[05:52:58] <richlowe> if it's waiting on us, I'd guess something I/O related was wrong.
[05:53:23] <DrLou> OK, the trace and stack stuff I'll have to read up on tomorrow.
[05:54:10] <richlowe> I don't use rsync that heavily, but it's generally prompt when I do (ssh, compression both)
[05:54:15] <DrLou> but this is just orders of magnitude under normal - I'm seeing like 50kB/s at the moment.
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[05:54:27] <richlowe> the last few times it wasn't, and I investigated, it turned out the remote host was screwed
[05:54:47] <DrLou> I've turned off compression; this helped...
[05:55:18] <DrLou> and have set up remote as the rsyncd (I don't use rsync much...)
[05:55:38] <DrLou> FWIW, it's been very fast on OI server(s) and between zones. Enter Ubuntu.
[06:19:27] <DrLou> iperf is reporting 72 Mbits/s
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[19:15:03] <cathode> woo! zpool scrub running at 471M/s
[19:20:21] <Alasdairrr> nice and fast \o/
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[19:22:53] <ancoron> I had one at work that did >2 GiB/s, but then management decided to reinvent the wheel with Linux
[19:24:07] <patdk-lap> ya, goes fast for me, when the pool has large files
[19:24:13] <patdk-lap> 2.5GB/sec
[19:24:19] <patdk-lap> maxing out the hba
[19:24:29] <Hedonisto> rotating media or ssd?
[19:24:34] <patdk-lap> rotating
[19:24:38] <ancoron> yepp! Do you also export your pools via SRP?
[19:24:55] <patdk-lap> ancoron, at that time, I was testing srp/iser
[19:25:08] <ancoron> how was your speeds?
[19:25:11] <patdk-lap> but it's been moved to production, for iscsi/nfs
[19:25:22] <patdk-lap> ancoron, I was maxing out 20gbit infiniband
[19:25:25] <ancoron> ^^ iscsi - no-go for speeds
[19:25:35] <patdk-lap> why?
[19:25:39] <ancoron> IP
[19:25:44] <patdk-lap> so?
[19:26:03] <patdk-lap> iscsi/iser/srp all gave me the same results
[19:26:13] <patdk-lap> atleast within a range that didn't matter
[19:26:20] <ancoron> I was also testing SRP and iSER but never got consistent speeds above 150 MiB/s, something was wrong with our Hardware setup I think
[19:26:41] <patdk-lap> for me, it was fine, till I started a second stream
[19:26:46] <patdk-lap> then it would all fall down
[19:26:54] <patdk-lap> had to do some adjustments
[19:27:13] <ancoron> Hm, for it raised up to 600 MiB/s with 10 streams, no problems though
[19:27:49] <cathode> well i just upgraded my NAS hardware
[19:28:18] <cathode> went from a Core 2 Duo E6300 w/ 4GB of DDR2-800 on an nForce 780i chipset motherboard...
[19:28:29] <ancoron> They now are using a SRP Linux stack which provides 1.6 GB/s for a single thread. So I am still a loser here with defending ZFS.
[19:28:48] <cathode> to a Supermicro X7DB8+ board w/ dual socket LGA771 Xeon L5420, 16GB DDR2 FB-DIMM
[19:29:31] <cathode> significantly faster :)
[19:29:37] <ancoron> cathode: now you are entering the lower SAN end, I think. :-)
[19:29:52] <cathode> possibly
[19:31:26] <patdk-lap> ancoron, heh? what hardware are you using that is limiting it so much?
[19:32:09] <patdk-lap> and hopefully your not using pcix/pci
[19:33:19] <ancoron> patdk-lap: we used fairly standard HW: Supermicro systems, Intel Xeon quad cores, 48 GiB RAM, LSI SAS2000 chips on PCIe x8, 44+ HDDs + 4 SSD ()2 for slog, 2 for L2ARC
[19:33:55] <patdk-lap> in my tests, I didn't use any slog/l2arc
[19:34:14] <patdk-lap> just 20 disks in mirror config
[19:35:24] <ancoron> I tried to deactivate it as well and played with a lot of pool configurations (all sliced mirrors as well) but no change, whatever I did. Even locally getting 500+ MiB/s on first test and then dropping down to ~160 MiB/s for further runs
[19:35:49] <patdk-lap> heh?
[19:35:53] <patdk-lap> if you have mirrors
[19:35:59] <patdk-lap> locally you should easily get 2GB/sec
[19:36:06] <patdk-lap> if you don't, you have issues
[19:36:18] <ancoron> Yes, strange, I know. That's why I think our HW is at fault
[19:36:41] <ancoron> But as Linux on the same boxes ran fine, they decided to let go with ZFS
[19:36:56] <patdk-lap> heh
[19:37:15] <ancoron> too bad, now I don't have any strengthy boxes to play with anymore... :'(
[19:37:31] <patdk-lap> I have like 20+ /etc/system adjustments to make to my systems
[19:38:05] <ancoron> Do you have them documented somewhere?
[19:38:17] <patdk-lap> yep, in /etc/system
[19:38:32] <patdk-lap> all that info is available
[19:38:39] <patdk-lap> from different people
[19:39:05] <ancoron> Hehe. Could you publish your changes somewhere?
[19:39:13] <patdk-lap> not really
[19:39:23] <patdk-lap> I have no place to publish, and refuse to setup a blog/wiki
[19:39:59] <ancoron> Hm, what about tar.gz and mail me?
[19:40:13] <patdk-lap> na
[19:40:25] <ancoron> OK, trust, I know ;-)
[19:40:35] <patdk-lap> I will gladly help solve problems
[19:40:45] <patdk-lap> but don't feel just copy/paste solves it
[19:40:56] <patdk-lap> and all that info is easily googlable
[19:41:17] <patdk-lap> well, some of it isn't, but those are anyway related to your issues
[19:42:07] <patdk-lap> but I have come to the same conclusions some others have
[19:42:15] <patdk-lap> srp just isnt reliable enough to be used
[19:42:15] <ancoron> I did back then every day and didn't found very much. So I would just see what differes from our setup to yours and read about the config changes in depth so I understand what I'm going to do. I just need the right pointers, I think
[19:42:21] <patdk-lap> iscsi/iser just works better
[19:42:44] <ancoron> ^^ for the Solaris side: yes - the Linux side: no
[19:42:59] <patdk-lap> hmm, I'm basing this on the linux side
[19:43:06] <patdk-lap> linux side srp wasn't reliable
[19:43:18] <patdk-lap> vmware client side srp was not nice
[19:43:37] <patdk-lap> I have had 0 issues with iscsi
[19:43:53] <ancoron> OK, which distro?
[19:43:58] <patdk-lap> it's like a 10% penalty, but that isn't a real issue
[19:44:04] <ancoron> we used Debian back then
[19:44:13] <patdk-lap> ubuntu/rhel
[19:44:22] <patdk-lap> vmware
[19:44:29] <patdk-lap> never tested it with windows
[19:44:59] <ancoron> Hm, Ubuntu - that's what our management didn't consider a valid server distro and they didn't want to pay for RHEL - not even for a test
[19:45:14] <patdk-lap> don't tell me centos?
[19:45:29] <patdk-lap> if *management* considers deploying vaunerable servers
[19:45:43] <patdk-lap> security updates come out same day for rhel
[19:45:58] <patdk-lap> and the centos *team* get around to it normally within a month
[19:46:13] <patdk-lap> I have had servers hacked a lot quicker than that
[19:46:49] <patdk-lap> I do like ubuntu, but they do have a team dedicated to just security
[19:46:50] <ancoron> I know, I also liked the centos alternative, but someone from management then got a hard one with gentoo - and then they started to mess things up
[19:46:54] <patdk-lap> and their updates are fast
[19:47:04] <ancoron> me likes Ubuntu too
[19:47:23] <patdk-lap> gentoo is nice, but it's not maintainable for scale
[19:47:29] <patdk-lap> it's more for secial cases
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[19:47:50] <patdk-lap> where you need or require maximum management flexability
[19:48:14] <ancoron> ^^ yes! And that's what our management then told us: we want to have full control over the stack - and I thought: then why don't we have any real Linux hacker here?
[19:48:17] <patdk-lap> I don't know anything about security updates for them
[19:48:25] <patdk-lap> makes me wonder if they have any, other than, push new version
[19:50:01] <ancoron> anyway, I'm now leaving that company and going to some where I get into a position that gives me some more power about technical decisions, especially in the storage back-end
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[19:50:39] <ancoron> So, maybe I will come back to your configurations in some time :-)
[19:51:29] <ancoron> On the other hand, I also have a private IB lab in the planning phase, staring with DDR
[19:52:30] <patdk-lap> I have one too, it's my house :)
[19:54:35] <ancoron> I just have an apartment, so I have to plan for silence as well
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[19:56:16] <ancoron> ...the tower version
[19:56:44] <patdk-lap> odd
[19:56:51] <patdk-lap> but then, I stick to intel cpu's
[19:56:59] <patdk-lap> currently using a x8dth here at home
[19:57:22] <patdk-lap> oh, saslp-mv8? those are suppost to have all kinds of issues
[19:57:26] <ancoron> yes, I don't have enough room for a rack and heat may also be a problem
[19:57:47] <ancoron> no, not using all of its internals, just the box to get started
[19:59:45] <ancoron> What's currently on my hardware list: 3x Fantec MR-SA3151, 3x Icy Dock MB994SP-4S, 2x LSI-9201-16i
[20:00:14] <ancoron> Supermicro X8SIA-F
[20:00:25] <ancoron> Intel XEON 3440
[20:01:06] <ancoron> Does that sound mean to you?
[20:01:41] <ancoron> I'd rather avoid expanders, because I might want to use SATA disks as well
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[20:02:19] <patdk-lap> the x8sia is going be seriously limiting that setup
[20:02:50] <ancoron> why?
[20:02:52] <patdk-lap> it only has two x8 and one x4
[20:03:09] <ancoron> hm, I read 3x x8 + 1x x4
[20:03:19] <patdk-lap> you failed to read the details
[20:03:28] <patdk-lap> the two x8's share ONE x8 port
[20:03:45] <patdk-lap> the x16 is a real x8 port
[20:03:47] <ancoron> Oh, silly me.
[20:04:19] <patdk-lap> so if you need bandwidth on both x8's, your screwed
[20:04:20] <ancoron> the X8DTH is going to cost a lot more.
[20:04:29] <patdk-lap> there are other models know
[20:04:30] <ancoron> but you are right
[20:04:55] <patdk-lap> all depends on use case, but can be a seriously limit
[20:06:04] <ancoron> hm, I shall go back to the drawing board and recaclulate budget
[20:06:21] <patdk-lap> I think there are some 4port x8's in the x9's
[20:08:07] <patdk-lap> I think that is one I was looking at for a x8dth upgrade
[20:08:17] <patdk-lap> remember half the slots won't work without the second cpu
[20:08:42] <ancoron> OK, so I would have to start with a dual setup - oh my budget... ;-)
[20:08:48] <patdk-lap> but I was think, x9srl
[20:09:39] <patdk-lap> 4 x8 pci3 :)
[20:10:09] <ancoron> Ah, looks good for a starter package :-)
[20:10:40] <patdk-lap> just add cpu and 256gig ram
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[20:12:15] <ancoron> Sounds really promising... *dreaming-of-QDR-max-out*
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[20:15:15] <ancoron> patdk-lap: what do your systems usually cost?
[20:15:30] <patdk-lap> hmm?
[20:15:54] <patdk-lap> probably 5-10k
[20:16:13] <ancoron> Oh, just within my price tag
[20:16:23] <ancoron> which HDDs?
[20:16:40] <patdk-lap> none lately
[20:16:48] <ancoron> just SSDs?
[20:16:52] <patdk-lap> nope
[20:16:57] <ancoron> tape?
[20:16:59] <patdk-lap> I'm thinking the next one I do will be pure ssd
[20:17:07] <patdk-lap> that is going be 15-20k it looks like
[20:17:38] <ancoron> Hm, interesting, should be fine also for larger employments with thin provisioning
[20:18:10] <patdk-lap> I wished vmware would support thin already
[20:18:39] <patdk-lap> my iscsi thin's using zvol's are so much nicer
[20:18:50] <patdk-lap> no need to reclaim thin space
[20:19:22] <patdk-lap> even win8 is suppost to support that now
[20:19:23] <ancoron> yes, I would like to go with thin zvols as well, but I afraid of the performance
[20:19:34] <patdk-lap> performance?
[20:19:51] <patdk-lap> why would it be any different from non-thin?
[20:20:13] <ancoron> back then, I got much better numbers with exported files on a ZFS filesystem than with volumes
[20:20:32] <patdk-lap> well, yes, depending on how you made them
[20:20:47] <patdk-lap> but I bet after you did a few days of read/writes/ and normal usage on it, it should be the same
[20:21:15] <patdk-lap> did you bother adjusting the filesystem and zvol stats?
[20:21:26] <patdk-lap> or just left it all to defaults, and had no clue what you where measuring?
[20:21:48] <patdk-lap> cause yes, filesystem with 128k blocks will beat zvol using 8k blocks for streaming usage, every time
[20:22:06] <patdk-lap> but then attempt random writes or something on the filesystem, it's going tank
[20:22:17] <ancoron> no, for me even filesystems with 4k where much better than zvols with 4k
[20:22:29] <ancoron> even on pure random
[20:22:43] <ancoron> and random will be my main scenario
[20:22:55] <patdk-lap> I have never benched files
[20:22:58] <patdk-lap> I purely use zvol
[20:23:07] <patdk-lap> but I heavily depend on snapshot and clone
[20:23:58] <ancoron> OK, nice to know. Is there any default config you usually start with when creating a new zvol - apart from the block size?
[20:24:14] <patdk-lap> yes
[20:24:19] <patdk-lap> but it all depends on it's usage
[20:24:35] <patdk-lap> I normally use 16k block size, or 128k
[20:24:40] <patdk-lap> and will use or not use compression
[20:24:54] <patdk-lap> heavily depends on it's uage
[20:24:56] <patdk-lap> usage
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[20:25:56] <ancoron> OK, my main use case will be to export them for usage as block storage for VM's of any kind - I would like to let the user choose a usage scenario (database, shared filesystem, ...)
[20:26:36] <patdk-lap> well, there is nothing that is good for everything
[20:26:48] <ancoron> So, in case of a database I think the zvol blocksize should at best match the block size the database uses to write stuff internally
[20:26:52] <patdk-lap> for mssql/mysql it's best to use 16k blocks
[20:26:59] <ancoron> agree
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[20:27:36] <ancoron> so it could be even better to let the user choose directly instead
[20:27:39] <patdk-lap> I tend to use 16k for everything
[20:28:12] <ancoron> on the other hand it's my job to come up with the magic
[20:28:38] <patdk-lap> well, using vmware it's easy to hide that magic
[20:28:40] <ancoron> can I change block size on a zvol being in use?
[20:28:43] <patdk-lap> you just make different storage pools
[20:28:53] <patdk-lap> ancoron, sure, destroy, create
[20:29:05] <ancoron> ^^ :D
[20:29:25] <patdk-lap> we just went and reformatted all our storage
[20:29:37] <patdk-lap> and using storage pools now with auto migration
[20:30:08] <Aethrs> What's auto migration ?
[20:30:16] <ancoron> OK, so I would have to "live-migrate" storage to another node which uses the diesired block size then
[20:30:41] <patdk-lap> Aethrs, storage drs
[20:37:04] <ancoron> patdk-lap: thanx for all your info! :-)
[20:37:28] <ancoron> dinner time here
[20:39:16] <Aethrs> What do you have to pay for with ESX now?
[20:39:22] <Aethrs> I haven't used it for a while.
[20:39:29] <Aethrs> Is iscsi free and such?
[20:42:46] <patdk-lap> heh?
[20:42:51] <patdk-lap> esxi is free
[20:43:25] <patdk-lap> it's when you move into vcenter features that it costs
[20:43:33] <patdk-lap> iscsi is free in esxi
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