September 8, 2012 
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I wouldn't install something like that...[04:55:15] <melik> older be?[04:55:28] <patdk-lap> older bee?[04:55:31] <miine> boot environment. beadm list -> beadm activate[04:56:11] <miine> its a good idea to beadm create my-untested-sw and activating before installing new stuff into the global zone..[04:57:29] <melik> i dont know what boot environments are[04:57:30] <melik> :([04:58:00] <miine> it's like the "checkpoints" in windows to rollback any changes made to the os ...[04:58:08] <melik> how do i roll back?[04:58:12] <patdk-lap> they are snapshots[04:58:15] <melik> napp-it-0.8k_1346787817 N / 22.9M static 2012-09-04 12:49[04:58:15] <melik> openindiana R - 2.73G static 2012-08-31 19:08[04:58:15] <melik> openindiana-backup-1 - - 72.0K static 2012-09-01 16:23[04:58:15] <melik> pre_napp-it-0.8k - - 92.0K static 2012-09-01 18:00[04:58:17] <patdk-lap> but in this case *bootable*[04:58:18] <miine> beadm activate my-working-sw[04:58:24] <melik> i activated it[04:58:34] <melik> i still have the napp-it stuff :([04:58:38] <melik> grrrrrrrrrrrr[04:58:48] <patdk-lap> whoa, that was a fast reboot[04:58:55] <miine> cool. to get rid of it: beadm destroy napp-it-0.8k_1346787817[04:59:02] <melik> oh wow! really?[04:59:03] <melik> awesome[04:59:12] <miine> solaris ;-)[04:59:17] <melik> napp-it-0.8k_1346787817 is the currently active BE and cannot be destroyed.[04:59:17] <melik> You must boot from another BE in order to destroy napp-it-0.8k_1346787817.[04:59:26] <melik> oh i have to reboot?[04:59:27] <melik> now[04:59:37] <patdk-lap> it's called a BOOT enviroment[04:59:40] <melik> oooh[04:59:43] <patdk-lap> it would only be active if you BOOTED :)[04:59:50] <melik> ooooooh hahaha :P![04:59:50] <miine> beadm activate pre_napp-it-0.8k[04:59:57] <miine> shutdown -y -g0 -i6[05:00:04] <melik> WOW SOLARIS IS SO COOL[05:00:19] <miine> look at the DATES. beadm list sorts by alphabet :-([05:00:43] <melik> so i'm going to activate pre-napp-it i guess[05:00:56] <miine> thanks the napp-it installation script for creating those be...[05:01:06] <melik> yeah :)[05:01:11] <melik> really nice[05:01:14] *** drlou-mobile has joined #openindiana[05:01:23] <melik> of them[05:04:33] <melik> thats weird[05:04:41] <melik> i just activated the oldest boot environment[05:04:57] <melik> # beadm destroy napp-it-0.8k_1346787817[05:05:02] <patdk-lap> well, active a different one[05:05:08] <melik> and destroyed the napp-it one[05:05:12] <patdk-lap> pre_napp-it-0.8k[05:05:16] <patdk-lap> make that active and boot[05:05:55] <melik> openindiana R - 2.73G static 2012-08-31 19:08[05:06:04] <melik> shouldn't this one not have anything? as its the oldest?[05:06:17] <melik> if this works, my mind will be blown.[05:06:39] <melik> solaris shits on linux.[05:06:40] <patdk-lap> that is the original install[05:06:46] <patdk-lap> before you likely did a pkg update[05:07:02] *** ocherno has joined #openindiana[05:07:42] *** Kaishi has quit IRC[05:08:01] <melik> omg[05:08:01] <melik> wow[05:08:10] <melik> i am quite impressed.[05:08:35] <melik> damn it lost my firewall rules[05:08:48] <melik> i think i configured ipfilter after installing napp-it[05:09:06] <miine> there is only one downside to a beadm "rollback": zones created in be's after the rollback be have to be created again as beadm snapshots /etc ..[05:09:24] <patdk-lap> well ya, it's a snapshot[05:09:28] <miine> oh yeah, ipfilter also stores in /etc ...[05:09:31] <patdk-lap> so anything you do after it, is not there[05:09:43] <patdk-lap> you can pull it, by looking in the snapshot dir :)[05:10:09] <miine> not anymore if he destroyed it. otherwise a beadm mount would work too...[05:10:26] <melik> its fine; it was only 3 rules[05:10:38] *** Kaishi has joined #openindiana[05:11:21] *** drlou-mobile has quit IRC[05:20:42] *** xxzz has joined #openindiana[05:21:55] *** ocherno has quit IRC[05:29:27] *** Seony has quit IRC[05:34:20] *** imaxs has quit IRC[05:39:02] *** Seony has joined #openindiana[05:40:04] *** ira has quit IRC[06:28:34] *** imaxs has joined #openindiana[06:35:38] *** xxzz has quit IRC[06:39:35] *** Stephen has joined #openindiana[06:39:58] *** Stephen is now known as Guest64535[06:40:32] *** ThreeToes has quit IRC[06:40:54] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[06:41:10] *** Guest64535 has quit IRC[06:41:15] *** slx86 has quit IRC[06:41:35] *** ThreeToes has joined #openindiana[06:42:29] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[06:51:32] <melik> hmmm i have a question regarding ipfilter[06:52:03] <melik> i have added a rule block in all; and then allowed port 22 to pass in[06:52:18] <melik> why can't i run pkg update now? it seems like its blocking incoming traffic[06:53:49] <Aethrs> What's your block rule?[06:55:29] <Aethrs> I'm not really sure what port(s) pkg uses, to be honest.[06:55:47] <Aethrs> But if your block is overly broad, perhaps you're wrecking it... And saving port 22 isn't enough.[07:23:26] <melik> Aethrs, i am only allowing specific IP's in through port 22[07:23:31] <melik> which are our shell jump servers[07:41:20] <melik> iSNS will not list my initiators when running isnsadm list-node[07:41:26] <melik> is this a bug? or am i missing a step?[07:59:20] <melik> nvm i figured out :)[08:00:59] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[08:07:18] *** keremet has joined #openindiana[08:26:45] *** jamesd has joined #openindiana[08:27:40] *** slx86 has quit IRC[08:31:57] *** melik has quit IRC[08:35:55] *** Lumb has joined #openindiana[08:43:36] *** keremet has quit IRC[09:14:10] *** SupremeOverlord1 has quit IRC[09:16:36] *** kart_ has quit IRC[09:17:25] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[09:17:39] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[09:18:43] *** ThreeToes has quit IRC[09:19:23] *** slx86 has quit IRC[09:27:34] *** imaxs has quit IRC[09:45:56] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[10:12:57] *** kart__ has joined #openindiana[10:15:27] *** kart_ has quit IRC[10:38:23] *** analog_ has joined #openindiana[10:42:04] *** Zenos has quit IRC[10:43:28] *** maccampus has joined #openindiana[10:53:00] *** jamesd has quit IRC[10:54:57] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[11:01:30] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[11:06:45] *** kart__ is now known as kart_[11:15:18] *** kforbz has joined #openindiana[11:18:37] *** Webhostbudd has quit IRC[11:51:07] *** No9 has joined #openindiana[11:54:10] *** Zenos has joined #openindiana[11:59:09] *** Nemykal has joined #openindiana[11:59:43] <Nemykal> hi all. I'm a relative newbie to solaris, but I'm trying to learn. What'd be the easiest way to install tmux in OI?[11:59:54] <Nemykal> Can't seem to find it in the repos[12:01:34] *** analog_ has left #openindiana[12:01:44] <tomww> aybe the "sfe" extra repo has tmux as binary package. should be searchable on http://pkg.openindina.org/sfe (use the webbrowser)[12:02:07] <Nemykal> yeah, looks like it, just found this http://sfe.opencsw.org/localhosts11/en/search.shtml?token=tmux&action=Search[12:02:48] <tomww> no, that is not what I meant.[12:03:09] <tomww> but it's still right, since i know the one who made the repo:)[12:03:13] <Nemykal> ah right did I find a mirror[12:03:20] <Nemykal> my bad, was just googling[12:03:58] <Nemykal> Hmm, so how do I actually go about using this terminal/tmux at 1 dot 5,5.11-0.151.1:20111028T191616Z package. sorry for the newbie questions[12:03:59] <tomww> not a mirror, separate project, independent, and the sfe.opencsw.org has focus on S11, but tries to stay in sync with providing the same packages for OI[12:04:05] <Nemykal> ahh[12:05:18] <tomww> as a side note, the link you found is the staging+testing repository where automated builds are landing. after a test the pacakges from there are forwarded to the official repo of that project.[12:05:27] <Nemykal> gotcha[12:05:50] <Nemykal> so the way i understand it, this sfe thing is like an 'overlay' or an additional repo of packages, right?[12:05:54] <tomww> OI itself maintains a own set of bianry packages, that is on the URL pkg.openindiana.org/sfe and /sfe-encumbered (IIRC the URLs, the wiki for OI has the background))[12:06:10] <tomww> SFE is a free floating project :-)[12:06:34] <Nemykal> so I have to do something involving pkg set-publisher[12:06:35] <tomww> it has its roots in the Solaris 10 are, then was going forward with Nevada/SXCE, still SVR4 pacakges,[12:07:11] <tomww> then with OpenSolaris is adopted IPS, not is provides still only the build recipes to patch+compile the stuff, and it tries to support Solaris 11 and OpenINdiana these days.[12:07:35] <tomww> as a plus, there are several small projects compiing the recipes into binary packages, that is what you can get on[12:07:52] <Nemykal> heh, im completely lost[12:07:54] <tomww> pkg.openindiana.org/sfe (/sfe-encumbered) and on sfe.opencsw.org[12:08:05] <tomww>[12:08:30] <tomww> if you want to use the binary pacakges (and not compile on your own), then yes, you have to use a "pkg set-publisher" with some arguments.[12:08:56] <tomww> the OI wiki tells you the arguments if you want to use the pkg.openindiana.org/sfe[12:08:59] <Nemykal> so, pkg set-publisher -g http://pkg.openindiana.org/sfe pkg.openindiana.org/sfe[12:09:03] <Nemykal> oh it does?[12:09:07] <Nemykal> sorry, im still reading through it[12:09:16] <Nemykal> it was a little tricky to follow[12:09:21] <Nemykal> just kinda dived right into it[12:09:25] <tomww> and http://sfe.opencsw.org/ (use the browser) tells the arguments to use that project's binary packages[12:09:43] <Nemykal> thanks[12:09:51] <tomww> you are welcome :)[12:56:44] *** No9 has quit IRC[12:58:23] *** No9 has joined #openindiana[13:01:56] *** ivo__ has quit IRC[13:05:17] *** No9 has quit IRC[13:07:02] *** No9 has joined #openindiana[13:09:19] *** kart__ has joined #openindiana[13:11:46] *** Seony has quit IRC[13:12:07] *** kart_ has quit IRC[13:21:01] *** zastaph has joined #openindiana[13:24:40] <miine> opencsw has IPS packages - hurray![13:33:11] *** Sachiru has joined #openindiana[13:34:51] <Sachiru> Quick question: If I plan to run multiple small VMs (by small I mean linux firewall appliances like pfSense and zones running database applications) on a Pentium G850, which is the better virtualization choice? KVM, or VirtualBox?[13:37:44] <tomww> miine: ?[13:38:15] <miine> thats good new as I don't like SVR4 ...[13:39:07] <tomww> miine: well, sfe.opencsw.org is _not_ the CSW package set.[13:39:12] <tomww> different project[13:39:23] <miine> oh. too bad...[13:39:39] <tomww> the subdomain name was chosen to reflect the kind sponsoring of the hosting, but it is not[13:39:52] <tomww> the well-known CSW pacakge content.[13:40:15] <tomww> I think for a while on making a independent domain name for it[13:40:44] <tomww> but I have no good idea for a name. it is _SFE_ and binary packages for S11 and OI[13:40:49] <tomww> so what would be a good domain name ...[13:41:49] <miine> btw OI: whats going on after the projects head resigned?[13:42:42] <tomww> aren't there enough other enthousiats to just go forward?[13:43:13] *** kart__ is now known as kart_[13:43:16] <miine> hope so. the things i've read so far him stating that someone would be insane to use OI didn't sound so good...[13:43:44] <miine> but in the end he might be right that OI on Desktop is dead...[13:44:38] <tomww> semi-dead? the old stuff still runs[13:44:59] <miine> yeah. but THAT would only attract a few people.[13:45:29] <miine> I have more a vision of GNUstep's GUI ontop of illumos...[13:45:50] <tomww> hm. attracting people for that OS family is difficult anyways. so the desktop plays only a secondary role in my view.[13:46:09] <miine> updated to a display manager model like News brought into the present...[13:46:27] <miine> so that way I could leave the Mac ;-)[13:46:38] <tomww> :)[13:46:53] <miine> still using 10.6. 10.8 is horror GUI wise...[13:48:20] <miine> etoile is doing some instering stuff (having a single menu bar etc.), but I don't think it would compile on solaris anyway and they are using mostly linux libraries ontop of X11...[13:48:56] <tomww> I can't compare, since my main workstation is still on a old Gnome level and works.[13:50:00] <miine> yep. there is only one thing in my "vision" that isn't so bright: everything using the GUI would have to be rewritten to use a more News friendly model.[13:50:20] <miine> It's astonishing how far more advanced News was - and still is...[13:52:41] <miine> but I think bringing News up-to-present (using Display PDF and the client "programs" could be programmed in any language rather then Postscript) is the ONLY way any Unix other than MacOS X can survive on Desktop.[13:56:04] <miine> the "genius" ( ;-) ) trick here is: the backend logic doesn't differ that much to a "normal" web application. It's just the output and it's usability...[13:57:50] <miine> and Mac apps could be ported easily but without further (maybe down to model/controller) modifications they won't work remotely without lag as they could using the updated News...[13:59:25] <miine> too bad I didn't win the lottery yet getting a millionaire and funding that.[14:04:01] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[14:06:58] *** No9 has quit IRC[14:08:22] *** No9 has joined #openindiana[14:37:26] *** nikolam has joined #openindiana[14:43:44] *** riccardo has joined #openindiana[15:00:01] *** ball has joined #openindiana[15:15:02] *** andy_js has quit IRC[15:17:27] *** SupremeOverlord has joined #openindiana[15:18:32] *** jdefelice has quit IRC[15:27:34] *** ball has quit IRC[15:39:40] *** andy_js has joined #openindiana[15:43:49] *** jellydonut has joined #openindiana[15:52:12] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[16:05:20] *** szaydel has joined #openindiana[16:06:17] *** szaydel has quit IRC[16:20:13] *** jamesd has joined #openindiana[16:22:14] <Sachiru> Anyone? KVM vs VirtualBox?[16:29:50] <miine> Sachiru: as you asked the question on illumos, here my additional thoughs...[16:31:50] <miine> VirtualBox might be easiest to use, but be the most "expensive" solution performance wise. Do all things you can do in Solaris native. There is even a patch for OI to get a branded linux zone running (but its an old centos and I have doubts you can use this as a router...).[16:32:06] *** slx86 has quit IRC[16:33:11] <nikolam> miine, you tried linux 2.4 branded zones patch?[16:34:19] <miine> not yet. I wanted to compile it myself and my ECC-RAM system just arrived a few days ago... . But I will do it as there is a single tiny application I need which compiles only on linux (dtmfbox ...)[16:34:54] <miine> on OpenSolaris 2009.06 it ran fine within the lx zone...[16:36:08] <nikolam> yes, I think it would be great having linux branded zone running on OI, that leaves posibility of someone upgrading it to newer linux calls some day.[16:36:26] <miine> make sure you'll use virtio-net drivers either in VB or KVM... VB can be slow otherwise[16:39:44] <nikolam> I wish we could include ourselves on interest and action lists inside Openindiana community infrastructure.[16:40:11] <nikolam> That wat people interested for some areas will get notified and some of them could include themselves in projects[16:40:52] <nikolam> miine, default install of virtalbox does not use virtio?[16:41:16] <miine> guest needs virt-io ...[16:42:26] <miine> and the vb guest additions don't include virtio drivers...[16:47:27] <patdk-lap> I haven't been impressed with virtio at all :([16:57:50] <Kaishi> what's the right command ipadm command to renew an IP address, and register in DNS?[17:01:48] <Sachiru> How much of a performance penalty do non-virtio-net drivers incur?[17:02:17] *** gosx has quit IRC[17:02:25] <miine> Sachiru: depends. I experienced 2-5x ...[17:02:40] <Sachiru> 5x slowdown?[17:02:41] <Sachiru> Wow.[17:02:47] <Sachiru> That is quite a huge penalty.[17:02:52] <tsoome> Kaishi: ipadm does not manage DNS, but svcadm restart physical:default may do what you need[17:03:04] <Sachiru> KVM it is, then, although this will be the first time that I will use KVM and I'm unfamiliar with it.[17:03:33] <Kaishi> oh, okay. I saw DHCP config stuff in the man page for ipadm but I didn't check svcadm[17:03:41] <miine> they are emulating a chip... for that its not that slow...[17:04:10] <Kaishi> I changed DHCP and DNS servers but my OI box hasn't renewed yet. I did update the assignment of the DNS server in a config file though, can't remember where[17:06:16] <Kaishi> No dice[17:06:51] *** miine has left #openindiana[17:07:20] *** miine has joined #openindiana[17:11:32] *** slx86 has joined #openindiana[17:12:59] *** SupremeOverlord has quit IRC[17:18:57] *** miine has quit IRC[17:21:20] *** maccampus has quit IRC[17:23:04] <tsoome> you can always just try ifconfig dhcp release[17:25:02] *** mustang has quit IRC[17:25:46] *** mustang has joined #openindiana[17:26:07] <Kaishi> I don't want to release it, just renew it[17:27:39] <patdk-lap> renew should happen automatically at half of the expiration time[17:27:46] <ancoron_> Kaishi: as ar as I know there is no "push" of DHCP/DNS config changes to clients[17:28:43] <ancoron_> your only option would be (if you can't access the client) to down the network interface and up it again. Then, the client should automatically re-fetch[17:29:37] <Kaishi> okay. Right now, I have no A or PTR records for the OI box. the DHCP server will create them automatically if OI doesn't, but only when the IP address is renewed. If I take down the interface, then users will have connections to the OI box dropped, which I'd prefer to avoid.[17:29:50] <Kaishi> but if that's the only way to do it, I may have to[17:30:05] *** maccampus has joined #openindiana[17:31:06] <ancoron_> e.g. here is some discussion about this topic: http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/push-dhcp-server-updates-clients-t2316175.html[17:31:46] <Kaishi> they're talking about windows clients there[17:31:58] <Kaishi> I have local access to the OI box, so I can run a local command[17:32:14] *** No9 has quit IRC[17:33:03] <ancoron_> yes, but the protocol is the same for all implementations[17:33:24] *** No9 has joined #openindiana[17:33:40] *** ivo_ has joined #openindiana[17:34:28] <Kaishi> I'm not trying to push a command from my DHCP / DNS server to the OI box. I'm trying to make the OI box submit a new DHCP request (or renewal) without taking down the interface.[17:34:49] <Kaishi> ipconfig isn't an OI command[17:34:53] <Kaishi> that's windows[17:35:05] <Kaishi> ipconfig /renew is exactly what I need[17:36:14] <Kaishi> I can just wait it out and access the OI box via netbios until DNS is updated when the DHCP lease expires, but I prefer having everything registered in DNS[17:36:26] <mui> ifconfig interfacesname dhcp[17:37:13] <Kaishi> ifconfig: aggr1: DHCP is already running[17:37:25] <mui> are you using nwam?[17:37:34] <Kaishi> no[17:37:40] <Kaishi> NWAM doesn't work with aggr[17:37:44] <ancoron_> try restarting the dhcpagent service[17:38:10] <mui> dhcp stop[17:38:24] <mui> eg. ifconfig interface dhcp stop[17:38:25] <Kaishi> svcadm dhcp stop?[17:38:28] <mui> and start[17:38:31] <Kaishi> AH[17:38:32] <Kaishi> okay[17:39:27] <Kaishi> doesn't exist[17:39:37] <ancoron_> alternatively: ifconfig <interface> dhcp release[17:39:39] <Kaishi> ifconfig aggr1 dhcp stop triggers a usage explanation[17:40:02] <ancoron_> there is no "stop"[17:40:26] <mui> oh[17:40:28] <mui> yea release[17:40:29] <mui> something[17:40:51] <ancoron_> for the ref: http://www.unix.com/man-page/opensolaris/1m/ifconfig/[17:43:30] <Kaishi> "extend"[17:43:32] <Kaishi> that's what I'm seeing[17:44:18] <ancoron_> "extend" does not contact the DHCP server[17:44:34] <Kaishi> okay[17:44:37] <Kaishi> I'll try releasing it[17:44:39] <Kaishi> and then starting it[17:44:41] <Kaishi> screw the users[17:44:42] <Kaishi> :)[17:44:48] <ancoron_> :-)[17:46:04] <Kaishi> huh, still no change[17:46:37] <ancoron_> hm, according to the docs it should request a new lease from the server[17:46:54] <Kaishi> that's what I would think[17:47:08] *** slx86 has quit IRC[17:48:11] <Kaishi> how can I check which DNS server it is using?[17:48:58] <ancoron_> Hm, if you changed to another DHCP server in your network it might be that it still sends requests to the old one. In that case bringing the interface down and up again would be the only reliable option.[17:49:35] <Kaishi> hmm[17:50:24] <ancoron_> just try an nslookup[17:51:24] <Kaishi> nslookup is good, and shows the right DNS server[17:52:38] <ancoron_> OK, then we are halfway there. What else do you expect to see?[17:54:18] <Kaishi> the A and PTR records for the OI box :([17:54:46] <Kaishi> I know I could create them manually and it would be fast, but the idea is to have all DHCP clients register themselves. My linux and windows systems are all cooperating, but OI not so much[17:56:30] <ancoron_> Hm, do you use dns caching?[17:59:07] <Kaishi> DNS caching at which level?[17:59:22] <ancoron_> At the OI box[18:01:00] *** PiotrSikora has quit IRC[18:01:36] <tsoome> dns servers are in /etc/resolv.conf no big mystery there;)[18:01:59] *** PiotrSikora has joined #openindiana[18:02:38] <Kaishi> yeah, that's where I updated it[18:03:16] <Kaishi> ancoron_: I didn't enable anything like that myself, so if it defaults to caching then yes, otherwise no[18:04:24] <ancoron_> forget what I said. OI doesn't use have that of course. So, if the DHCP release didn't do the trick I would fall back to interface down/up as I am not an expert in the networking area[18:05:24] <Kaishi> don't feel bad :) I appreciate the ideas if nothing else[18:07:22] *** riccardo has quit IRC[18:12:21] *** Hedonisto has quit IRC[18:18:37] *** Hedonisto has joined #openindiana[18:30:07] *** Vutral has quit IRC[18:30:31] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[18:40:40] <tsoome> dhcp agent will overwrite your manual changes in resolv.conf[18:40:53] <Kaishi> that's fine, they'll still match[18:41:04] <tsoome> and cache is nscd (name-service-cache smf service)[18:41:54] <tsoome> you should be able to trigger dhcp info refresh by ifconfig dhcp release/renew, but also svcadm disable physical:default and then enable[18:43:55] <nikolam> There is a Tons of things OI needs packaging as I see it. 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