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[05:38:16] <Jimbo> Anyone here?
[05:39:08] <Jimbo> Need to know if drive model ST3000DM001 will work in a ZFS 2 ?
[05:39:21] <Jimbo> Pool 2
[05:44:07] <POloser> why not?
[05:48:23] <patdk-lap> cause it's *special*
[05:54:03] <Jimbo> I was worried about the lack of CCTL being a non-enterprise drive
[05:54:21] <Jimbo> There will be 24x running off an Areca ARC 1280
[05:54:34] <patdk-lap> cctl?
[05:54:44] <Jimbo> Whatever the Seagate equiv is
[05:54:48] <POloser> buy hitachi's
[05:55:02] <patdk-lap> heh?
[05:55:11] <patdk-lap> are you raiding them with the areca?
[05:55:35] <Jimbo> No running in JBOD
[05:55:43] <patdk-lap> why would it matter then?
[05:56:02] <Jimbo> The seagate are $159 for 3TB 7200, the Hitachi Ultrastar are $225 for 2TB
[05:56:11] <Jimbo> ok cool
[05:56:16] <Jimbo> so should be all good?
[05:56:22] <patdk-lap> ya
[05:56:29] <Jimbo> sweet thanks mate
[05:56:30] <patdk-lap> the 3tb are also 4k sector
[05:56:40] <patdk-lap> the 2tb hitachi are 512 byte
[05:57:12] <patdk-lap> for some stuff I do, that means the 3tb disk only has 1.5tb usable space
[05:57:19] <Jimbo> I'll go the seagate drives then
[05:57:39] <patdk-lap> cause my 2tb files I moved from ashift=9 to asift=12 grew to 4tb
[05:57:56] * patdk-lap blames having millions of 1k files
[05:59:03] <Jimbo> Have you have any experience with the ST3000DM001 models?
[05:59:07] <Jimbo> over the Hitachi
[05:59:31] <Jimbo> I am running another ZFS array now with Hitachi's
[05:59:42] <POloser> Jimbo, buy deskstars
[06:00:49] <richlowe> specific disk model advice, in general, is all about confirmation bias and small sample size anecdotes
[06:01:07] <Jimbo> yeh
[06:01:09] <Jimbo> ok
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[06:01:50] <Jimbo> I have read some conflicting info about the failure rate on the ST3000DM001 that's all
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[08:02:56] <DrLou> Hmm… weird findings after installing 151_a6
[08:03:35] <DrLou> svc network:physical - on only one zone - does not start…
[08:04:58] <DrLou> log indicates the zone has a 'bad address' - and /lib/svc/method/net-physical[571]: ![[: not found {No such file or directory]
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[08:13:52] <Agnar> DrLou: do you have delegated zfs datasets in the zones visible?
[08:15:08] <DrLou> I did (also) have a weird zfs dataset issue - now resolved. was reporting 'cannot mount - directory not empty'
[08:15:20] <DrLou> a6 has gotten more fastidious about such things?
[08:15:43] <Agnar> DrLou: I do not even see the datasets with zfs list anymore in my zones
[08:15:55] <DrLou> Yikes!
[08:16:04] <richlowe> no more fastidious about empty directories
[08:16:07] <richlowe> been like that always.
[08:18:08] <DrLou> yeah, but that particular zone had just been running under a5
[08:18:31] <DrLou> the 'bad address' problem was that zone name in hosts didn't match name in hostname.vnicnn
[08:18:39] <DrLou> this, too, was being tolerated in a5.
[08:19:21] <DrLou> Agnar: you're prompting me to check all the ZFSes - but all seem to be there.
[08:19:38] <Agnar> DrLou: hm. strange
[08:20:24] <Agnar> hopefully I find some time to figure it out
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[08:37:13] <DrLou> am having a heck of a time mounting a USB ext3 drive - (have never needed to do so before) - can we?
[08:37:49] <DrLou> see device reference in messages - but cannot use mount -F ext3fs
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[08:41:43] <Agnar> DrLou: I think you need to have the fuse drivers
[08:41:59] <DrLou> shit.
[08:42:26] <Agnar> DrLou: yes, it's in pkg:/system/file-system/fusefs package
[08:43:05] <DrLou> tis - going off to look. Odd, I realize I've never connected such a drive to this machine before.
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[08:44:13] <DrLou> not finding that - in /dev repo?
[08:46:40] <Agnar> it's in sfe
[08:46:50] <Agnar> (sorry for not mentioning)
[08:48:45] <Agnar> (753) oldn90700:/home/olbohlen$ pkg publisher sfe
[08:48:46] <Agnar> Publisher: sfe
[08:48:46] <Agnar> Alias:
[08:48:46] <Agnar> Origin URI: http://pkg.openindiana.org/sfe/
[08:48:55] <Agnar> for your comfort :)
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[08:55:03] <DrLou> Oh, I see. OK, tks. I had gone off to download and build…(!)
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[08:58:04] <Agnar> the real-men-solution: build your own, shoot yourself in the foot, get back home, explain to your wife, get a pre-built ;)
[09:00:32] <DrLou> at this point, I'd be happy with a simple ext3 mount command!
[09:01:09] <Agnar> there is no short-link. you have to shoot youself in the foot first
[09:03:23] <Agnar> :)
[09:03:36] <Agnar> everything else would be to easy :)
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[09:23:22] <DrLou> guess I gotta dust off the linux box - now, where is it?
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[14:38:35] <Hurri> Every single time I reboot my machine, I forget about the insanely loud keyboard beep and nearly kill myself before turning it down.
[14:39:31] <Sachiru> "Keyboard beep"?
[14:39:40] <Sachiru> How does the keyboard beep?
[14:39:55] <Hurri> ^G
[14:40:21] <Hurri> The keyboard doesn't beep, the default audio beeps in reaction to keyboard events.
[14:40:31] <Sachiru> Ah.
[14:41:37] <Hurri> Ever since OpenSolaris in 2008 or so, the default beep has been insanely loud. There's a few complaints online about it.
[14:42:52] <Hurri> Meanwhile, I've just upgraded to 151a6 and I think there's something wrong with my I/O. Everything touching the disk is insanely slow.
[14:47:35] <lblume> Hah, funny, I just did some tests with a6, it tended to show it was much faster for disk I/O than S11.
[14:48:19] <Hurri> That's what I was hoping for.
[14:48:48] <Hurri> I'm pretty sure it's something broken here.
[14:49:54] <Hurri> Of course, I haven't done a zpool upgrade yet. I think I'm still on v28.
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[14:50:31] <lblume> Me too.
[14:50:46] <lblume> v28 is the only version that all the OS's I've been trying can read.
[14:51:10] <Hurri> pkg is cleaning up /var/pkg.old. That might be part of the problem.
[14:51:32] <Hurri> But meanwhile a simple dd if=/dev/zero of=temp is only writing about 100K/s.
[14:52:15] <Hurri> I'm on a Dell 7400 with SAS internal disks. Those and the memory controller causes me frequent problems.
[14:55:02] <patdk-wk> dunno about that
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[14:55:32] <patdk-wk> but I have upgraded a dell pe2950 with 8 sata disks, in mirrors, and get a good 350MB/sec write speeds
[14:56:10] <Hurri> Then there's *definitely* something broken here, and I need to figure out what.
[14:56:45] <patdk-wk> I upgraded my home system too, but haven't benched it
[14:56:49] <patdk-wk> but it's 92% full
[14:56:56] <Hurri> 10 minutes to write a 23M file from /dev/zero.
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[15:01:26] <Hurri> Aha
[15:01:45] <Hurri> Overful pool. I was getting two pools mixed up.
[15:02:07] <Hurri> Nuke a 15G file, suddenly spritely joy.
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[15:09:57] <Hurri> Meanwhile: https://blogs.oracle.com/jrocha/entry/disabling_that_loud_beep_in <--- My problem. :)
[15:10:50] <patdk-wk> heh
[15:11:09] <patdk-wk> my t61p has two VERY loud beeps when it restores from hibernation
[15:11:39] <Hurri> It's just kind of ridiculous to have to do it every reboot... or to exclude a kernel driver.
[15:13:15] <Whoopsie> After so many years of SPARC workstations doing that, it's comforting to know it still happens ;-)
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[15:27:16] <lblume> Hurri: It's better than when the audiohd driver in Osol was buggy and started sending loud static non-stop on boot ;-)
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[15:48:18] <Hurri> I had that happen!
[15:48:39] <Hurri> T'was a wee bit annoying. :)
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[15:57:17] <Sachiru> Quick question: If I plan to run multiple small VMs (by small I mean linux firewall appliances like pfSense and zones running database applications) on a Pentium G850, which is the better virtualization choice? KVM, or VirtualBox?
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[16:10:43] <Hurri> I've been happy with VBox, but I can't say whether it'd be better or worse than KVM, alas.
[16:18:59] <wonko> i'll have to echo that, but then I've never used KVM. :)
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[17:22:02] <Aethrs> ibp
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[18:06:41] <analog_> anyone experience with the amd c60 (or 350,450) and zfs, im interested in performance
[18:10:51] <eadric> am I to understand from the topic that build 151a6 has been released?
[18:14:11] <Alasdairrr> It is, but it's an update only release - no ISO
[18:15:07] <eadric> ah ok that explains why I could not find one :-)
[18:15:39] <Alasdairrr> :-)
[18:15:45] <Alasdairrr> it's in the release notes in the wiki, which are a little bit burried
[18:20:04] <eadric> I'm Trying to install but am running into all sorts of trouble
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[18:20:25] <eadric> mostly with storage controllers
[18:20:47] <eadric> but oi151a5 simply reboots on me
[18:21:16] <eadric> the live cd that is
[18:24:15] <eadric> Supermicro X9SCM-F mainboard, 16 gb ecc, E31230 CPU, adaptec 6445 raid card, 2 72gb sas an 8 500gb sata disks.
[18:24:59] <eadric> help is very much appreciated
[18:25:48] <Alasdairrr> you'll have to remove things to see whats causing it
[18:25:58] <Alasdairrr> or you could do a verbose reboot and enable kernel debugging
[18:26:06] <Alasdairrr> s/reboot/boot/
[18:26:15] <Alasdairrr> at the grub prompt, press e to edit the line and add some parameters
[18:26:36] <Alasdairrr> https://blogs.oracle.com/dmick/entry/diagnosing_kernel_hangs_panics_with
[18:26:58] <Alasdairrr> and its -v for verbose
[18:27:13] <eadric> ok Ill try that
[18:27:22] <eadric> brb
[18:30:08] <Hedonisto> is mark hurd the person responsible for GNU Hurd or is it that they just have the same name?
[18:30:52] <analog_> eadric: could you measure the power consumption? i'm considering buying the same.
[18:32:22] <Triskelios> Hedonisto: Hurt is a pun on 'herd', it's also a silly initialism like GNU is
[18:32:23] <Triskelios> er, Hurd
[18:32:45] <Hedonisto> np Triskelios
[18:34:42] <eadric> analog, sure thing sometime next week I'll do that
[18:35:12] <analog_> thanks, looking forward.
[18:36:03] <eadric> Alasdairrr, I get what look like a stack dump than syncing filesystems 5 5 and than a reboot, no time to read it all really
[18:37:41] <eadric> I also tried illumian 1.0 and it does boot, then complains about not having disks, but does not reboot.
[18:38:37] <eadric> This makes me think it might be the X server for the live env
[18:43:12] <eadric> I going to give it a try with the server ISO
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[19:07:45] <richlowe> eadric: in grub, hit 'e', move down to the 'kernel$' line, hit 'e' again, add -kv to the end,
[19:07:53] <richlowe> will load the debugger, give you time to read whatever went wrong.
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[19:12:20] <eadric> For some reason I have a gnome session now
[19:12:45] <eadric> not sure why after a couple of reboots
[19:13:23] <eadric> will try the kernel options after checking the raid controller
[19:13:31] <eadric> brb
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[19:45:31] <eadric> ok
[19:45:46] <eadric> I now have a [4] prompt
[19:45:58] <eadric> in the kernel debugger
[19:46:14] <eadric> above it the loaded modules
[19:46:20] <richlowe> ::msgbuf should let you page through the console messages
[19:46:30] <eadric> ok
[19:46:31] <richlowe> which will eventually mention why it crashed
[19:46:43] <eadric> ok, thanks
[19:47:11] <eadric> machine is not at my desk as you might have guessed
[19:47:20] <eadric> I'll be back :-
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[19:50:07] <eadric> page fault in module apix
[19:50:21] <richlowe> That's a new one on me, could you file an illumos bug?
[19:50:24] <richlowe> (bugs.illumos.org)
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[19:50:39] <richlowe> try to include as much detail as it gives you, the register dump and the stack trace are especially useful (cell phone photos work)
[19:50:48] <richlowe> also, you're going to want to disable apix anyway, most likely, but I forgot how.
[19:52:38] <eadric> ok, ill do that
[19:53:14] <lblume> alanc: Hi, I've got one that you're the most likely to know about: I've set up Control_R as the Compose key in a VNC session (S10), it works (eg é) but many combinations I'm expecting are not working, eg c= or c,
[19:53:21] <lblume> Any idea?
[19:57:48] <eadric> It says:
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[20:00:50] <eadric> bad trap: type=e (#pf Page Fault) rp=ffffff001f7e3200 addr=7fbe4a570 occurred in module "apix" due to an illegal access to a user address
[20:01:39] <eadric> I have pictures and will file a bugreport now
[20:04:03] <richlowe> lblume: crummy tables?
[20:04:15] <richlowe> though I'd expect c, to work regardless I guess.
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[20:10:03] <alanc> I know compose key functionality depends on the input methods in use, and remember the S10 tables having a lot fewer combinations than the ones we bring in from X.Org in S11
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[20:20:02] <lblume> Hmmm, weirdness. It just worked a few times. Then stopped: çcççççç=c=c=c.c,c,,c,cc,,c,c,c,c,cc,
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[20:23:24] <lblume> Ok, I'm just puzzled and I have too many IM stacked one upon the other to know which oner exactly is failing me :-/
[20:24:48] <lblume> alanc: Just one question: is Xvnc based on Xorg or still some ancient XFree86 3 like it used to be?
[20:25:11] <alanc> if you built RealVNC yourself, ancient XFree86
[20:25:34] <richlowe> it coming and going does sound a lot like input method crap I remember
[20:26:02] <alanc> the packages we ship in Solaris use the same Xserver sources as the Xorg packages in that Solaris release
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[20:28:16] <lblume> Ok, so it should have the same maps as Xorg. Thanks for the confirmation :-)
[20:28:56] <lblume> richlowe: Yup. Way too many, but I've always been one putting myself in the situation of needing them :-)
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[20:32:01] <eadric> richlowe, should I assign the bug to you?
[20:32:18] <richlowe> I'd leave it unassigned.
[20:32:23] <eadric> ok
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[20:51:07] <eadric> I tried apix_enable /W 0 :c it seems to boot now
[20:51:47] <eadric> i'll go and check
[20:51:51] <eadric> brb
[20:55:31] <eadric> ok that works
[20:59:17] <eadric> now, lets see how to get the adaptec 6445 working :-)
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[21:47:48] <eadric> signing off
[21:48:00] <eadric> good night everyone
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