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[08:24:47] <vto> hi all!
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[08:25:59] <sjorge> lblume: beer makes everything goe away
[08:26:04] <vto> openindiana, what pkg install vpn server ?
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[08:32:01] <sjorge> idk, but try 'pkg seardh vpn' and see whats comes up
[08:40:23] <sjorge> I see now... I think beer is indeed in order
[08:40:28] <sjorge> or caffien, either one of those
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[08:47:58] * sjorge must refrain from subscribing and replying -_-
[08:55:28] <trochej> Coffee
[08:55:39] <trochej> Yes
[08:55:43] <trochej> I'm subscribed
[08:56:02] <trochej> But if those people started contributing instead of talking, we would have been far away from here
[08:56:19] <trochej> This is why I refrain from talking - I'm not contributing
[08:59:08] <sjorge> trochej++
[08:59:24] <sjorge> I usually read it when I have time from the archive, but have to hold back with this one.
[09:00:15] * sjorge goes back to work
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[09:04:04] <sjorge> trochej: sorry, that was a bit rude of me maybe.
[09:04:12] <trochej> Np.
[09:04:13] <trochej> :)
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[09:21:52] <lblume> In the end, I was too reasonable yesterday evening. Lemonade and Perrier, no beer.
[09:21:56] <lblume> But today, coffee!
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[09:30:04] <trochej> :)
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[12:01:05] <Okona> How should I read the Illumos version number? E.g. in the a6 update: Illumos 13793:10c3656ccf76
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[12:11:06] <JT-EC> It's a mercurial changeset from the upstream repo
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[12:12:00] <JT-EC> So in this case that matches https://hg.openindiana.org/upstream/illumos/illumos-gate/rev/10c3656ccf76
[12:23:52] <Okona> ah, ic
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[12:41:57] <mui_> hmm
[12:42:07] <mui_> any way to prevent solaris from reserving cylinders from disk?
[12:42:27] <tsoome> ?
[12:42:34] <mui_> afaik when you present disk to solaris
[12:42:41] <mui_> it reserves two or three cylinders from disk
[12:42:55] <mui_> ie. output from prtvtoc says accessible cylinders being two or three less than there actually are
[12:42:56] <tsoome> afaik no.
[12:43:28] <tsoome> but, tbh, never worried about it:)
[12:44:09] <tsoome> but also don't remember any related bits ...
[12:45:20] <tsoome> those few do not change big picture anyhow...
[12:45:34] <mui_> hm
[12:45:39] <mui_> "Actually the s2 partition is not the entire disk. Solaris reserves a couple of cylinders to store the VTOC information."
[12:45:44] <mui_> okay, next question
[12:45:52] <mui_> how I'm supposed to use disk as whole device
[12:46:00] <mui_> as entire disk
[12:46:08] <tsoome> depends if its for boot disk or data disk
[12:46:37] <tsoome> for data pool, use disk name ending with dX (where X is 0 for physical disks)
[12:47:06] <mui_> its data
[12:48:00] <tsoome> then just use disk name like c0t0d0
[12:48:24] <tsoome> without sX at the end (and *never* with pX at the end).
[12:48:40] <mui_> oh yeah
[12:48:42] <mui_> how silly i was
[12:48:47] <mui_> but anyway, thanks tsoome
[12:49:41] <tsoome> man zpool has all the examples;)
[12:50:32] <mui_> yea
[12:50:37] <mui_> this time i just wasnt even playing with zfs
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[12:51:19] <tsoome> the c0t0d0 notation means the device c0t0d0 will be created in /dev/dsk and /dev/rdsk; and EFI label is used on disk.
[12:52:25] <mui> just having c0t0d0 doesnt mean that you have efi there
[12:52:39] <tsoome> in /dev/dsk, you mean?
[12:52:44] <mui> but in zfs, it usually means that
[12:52:49] <mui> ya
[12:53:04] <tsoome> sure, but doing zpool create tank c0t0d0 means you will have EFI on that disk
[12:53:30] <tsoome> as zpool will create label for you if you are using disk name without slice
[12:53:36] <mui> yeh
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[13:24:12] <Okona> is there any possibility to boot from an efi labeled disk?
[13:26:36] <lennard> I've done it in the past with grub2, but it was a heck of a lot of work
[13:27:02] <lblume> It will come to S11U1, apparently.
[13:28:29] <impaque> hey guys, any opinions on iSCSI LUN ZFS compression? block size? algo? files on LUN are uncompressed TAR files of web presentations etc (backups)
[13:29:05] <Okona> how fast is the machine?
[13:33:51] <impaque> fairly. i believe it's some xeon, supermicro twin
[13:34:21] <Okona> compression is mostly cpu bound
[13:34:56] <Okona> I did activate strongest compression for my backup dirs
[13:35:00] <impaque> i was thinking of going lzjb, but my dilemma is how does compression relate to block sizes
[13:35:35] <Okona> that I don't know
[13:35:43] <impaque> initiator is linux, fs is ext4 for discard
[13:36:38] <impaque> 4kb on initiator for blocksize, but how much on target LUN?
[13:36:38] <impaque> for best compression ratio, that is
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[14:00:00] <patdk-lap> why would you want to do that? compression for web stuff seems backwards
[14:00:13] <patdk-lap> read file, zfs decompression, webserver compress, send to client
[14:00:37] <patdk-lap> it makes much more sense, to just compress the file with gzip, and let the webserver send it directly
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[14:15:22] <impaque> patdk-lap: i wanted to offload the web server, not to stress it too much
[14:16:33] <patdk-lap> heh?
[14:17:19] <patdk-lap> using compressed zfs will end up stressing both, oi and the webserver, with all the decompression and recompression
[14:17:32] <patdk-lap> and all that iscsi traffic over the network will be uncompressed
[14:17:59] <patdk-lap> if you save the files compressed, you only stress it when you save a file, not when reading on the webserver
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[14:18:59] <AngstHab> hi
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[14:57:14] <impaque> patdk-lap: makes sense.
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[15:03:41] <patdk-lap> there are two catchs though, you need to compress the files when you upload them
[15:03:52] <patdk-lap> and you should decompress the files for clients that don't want compression (rare)
[15:04:05] <patdk-lap> but then, decompress is a crapload faster than compression
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[16:17:09] <ball> hello jamesd
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[16:29:35] <Sesi> Has anyone run across an issue with BART not respecting an IGNORE directive in the bart_rules?
[16:33:52] <patdk-lap> does bart simpson respect anything?
[16:35:23] <Sesi> That notion makes general www searching difficult; seriously though.
[16:36:16] <patdk-lap> well, I have never heard of bart before :)
[16:38:11] <Sesi> Basic Audit and Reporting Tool.. it's included in Solaris; I realize OpenIndiana isn't, but a lot of the same folks might have experience with the closed product.
[16:39:11] <Agnar> Sesi: it's in OI - pkg:/security/bart
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[16:43:01] <Sesi> Has the OI version shown any problems like this? The closest I've found was a reference to an issue like this in a forum thread with the last post on Aug 6 that oracle deleted.
[16:43:54] <Agnar> no idea actually
[16:45:01] <Sesi> Drat. Really running out of ideas. It's obviously checking values for files that should be ignored and every related patch that I can find was applied eons ago.
[16:48:21] <Agnar> sorry, can't help. I just play around with bart on sol10
[16:49:21] <Sesi> That is the environment I'm trying to get bart to work properly under.
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[16:50:44] <Agnar> I'm just playing - on my local workstation, and I usualy get only false alerts which means that my ignores are not good enough. but I have never debugged it further
[16:51:52] <Sesi> Feh. That's the problem I'm getting too.. the rules should be ignoring mtime changes but it's popping a modification on exactly that, for specific files it was instructed to ignore.
[16:52:25] <Agnar> sesi: open call at oracle?
[16:53:54] <Sesi> That will likely be my next step, though I'm not holding out much hope as they deleted the only forum post related to this.
[16:57:41] *** alanc changes topic to "Development build: 151a6 | Website: http://openindiana.org | Mailing Lists: http://openindiana.org/mailman | Wiki: http://wiki.openindiana.org | Bugs: http://bugs.openindiana.org | IRC Logs: http://echelog.com/?openindiana"
[16:59:50] <mui> woo.
[17:02:22] <Agnar> *image-update*
[17:03:02] <JT-EC> just an alias for update
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[17:04:07] <Agnar> JT-EC: image-update is so burned in into my brain...;)
[17:08:28] <Agnar> SunOS oldn90700 5.11 oi_151a6 i86pc i386 i86pc
[17:08:31] <Agnar> seems to work ;)
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[17:28:46] <Alasdairrr> thanks alanc
[17:29:25] <alanc> well someone tweeted it hours ago, just forgot to change the /topic here, so I made my one character contribution for the month 8-)
[17:30:21] <Agnar> hehe
[17:30:47] <patdk-lap> oh update?
[17:30:47] <alanc> though that was after I hit "retweet" using an account that seems to be up to 3400 followers on twitter now, so probably a bit more visible than the /topic here
[17:31:17] <patdk-lap> the topic in this irc client is totally unusable :(
[17:31:22] <Agnar> anyone knows here if martin fulfilled his promise to bring a runable sparc oi in august? can't find anything on the mailing lists
[17:31:45] <Agnar> and I'm a bit unsure if I should spend time in my effords when someone else is further
[17:32:28] <ball> Oh no! I'm out of date! ;-)
[17:32:48] <patdk-lap> ball, you have been for years
[17:32:54] <patdk-lap> time to go back to the 70's?
[17:33:28] <Agnar> .o( solaris2.4-sun4.iso )
[17:35:28] <lblume> alanc: As long as you contribute only hinted, antialiased characters...
[17:37:22] <alanc> how about if I contribute hints via an alias?
[17:37:40] <Sachiru> Quick query: does the new release have a changelog?
[17:37:52] <patdk-lap> don't they all?
[17:37:59] <lblume> alanc: It just won't do. You'll need an antialias.
[17:38:03] <patdk-lap> well, I use the release notes :)
[17:38:30] <alanc> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151a_prestable6+Release+Notes
[17:39:14] <ball> patdk-lap: Probably true ;-)
[17:39:29] <Sachiru> Ah, patches and updates.
[17:39:31] <Sachiru> Thanks!
[17:39:59] * patdk-lap should figure out the illumos changelog since last time
[17:40:11] <lblume> "Patches" is an obsolete terminology that should not be tolerated in that new world of system images.
[17:48:06] <alanc> except when you're talking about source diffs applied to upstream sources via the "patch" command
[17:48:30] <Agnar> I have to go...the indian colleagues start making party in the next office - loud and strange music. see you tomorrow
[17:49:09] <patdk-lap> heh, illumos repo is broken
[17:50:28] <lblume> alanc: Solaris patch or GNU patch?
[17:53:03] <trochej> patch the patch!
[17:53:10] <lennard> ooooh an a6
[17:53:56] <alanc> the real patch, not the SVID broken patch
[17:54:15] <alanc> fortunately in OI & S11, /usr/bin/patch is the working one now
[17:54:16] <lblume> Oh, now you're blaming AT&T?
[17:54:37] <alanc> it came that way from New Jersey
[17:54:45] <alanc> that's our story and we're sticking to it
[17:54:55] <trochej> coffee
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[17:55:41] <trochej> patch, patch, patch
[17:56:35] <trochej> sounds almost like a polish word for a sond that hand makes when hitting water
[17:56:44] <trochej> s/sond/sond/
[17:56:47] <trochej> aaargh
[17:56:56] <lblume> I see. I suppose that trying to uncover the ugly truth about what happened to patch might lead to unfortunate "accidents".
[17:57:09] <lblume> s/trochej/coffee/
[17:57:21] <jim80net> lol, no "u" for u.
[17:57:50] <trochej> Yeah, no U for me, Im
[17:58:10] * patdk-lap totally can't figure this out, Idid it before
[17:58:11] <trochej> hopelessly uneducated
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[17:58:21] <patdk-lap> how to see the illumos kernel difference from a5 to a6
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[17:59:15] <lblume> trochej: You can dot your z, and I respect you for that.
[17:59:24] <trochej> hehehe
[17:59:45] <trochej> this is hardware kayboard in my phone misbehaving
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[18:00:37] <trochej> lblume I respect you all just because I can
[18:00:42] <trochej> :)
[18:07:38] <patdk-lap> hmm, don't seen anything exciting in illumos, lots of bug fixs and some new drivers though
[18:07:48] <patdk-lap> lz4 support, and soon to be lz4 l2arc upport
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[18:24:04] <oninoshiko> oh! there was an update? I'll have to update the page to reflect it
[18:24:46] <alanc> really should get Meths to mail the update announcements to the OI mailing list, so they'll have something to talk about other than how fast the sky is falling
[18:25:07] <JT-EC> oninoshiko: Not an ISO release BTW
[18:25:18] <oninoshiko> alanc: good point
[18:25:29] <oninoshiko> JT-EC: oh? what does it cover?
[18:25:45] <JT-EC> In the release notes on the wiki
[18:25:49] <alanc> http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151a_prestable6+Release+Notes
[18:25:58] <oninoshiko> mmm, I'll take a look
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[18:27:55] <oninoshiko> I swear to god, I'm going to put an IRC client on a VM and ssh in just so it's not running on this damn mac
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[18:32:45] <break19> Onno: if you're running a vm on the mac.. then anything on the vm is therefore running on the "damn mac"
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[18:33:15] <break19> oninoshiko|3: ^
[18:39:17] <break19> besides.. if you want irssi, "there's an app for that" http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/irssi :P yes. console irssi.. enable ssh logins, and voila.. you can ssh into your mac and run irssi. no vm needed.
[18:39:43] <tsoome> colloquy is just fine:P
[18:39:56] <tsoome> hehe
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[18:48:13] <melik> hello i have configured a target portal group for one of my iscsi targets
[18:49:30] <melik> but upon polling the machine from another portal (IP), i still see the target being listed
[18:49:34] <melik> what exactly am i doing wrong?
[18:50:40] <jim80net> melik, correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but I think you're looking to define a host group.
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[18:51:26] <patdk-lap> no, you can't remove that
[18:51:38] <patdk-lap> but, connecting to that other ip, won't work
[18:56:30] <melik> jim80net, allow me to be more clear
[18:56:38] <melik> i have 2 IPs on this machine
[18:56:53] <melik> and have configured 2 target portal groups; to listen on each IP respectively
[18:57:10] <melik> i have 1 target apart of 1 tpg and another target apart of the other
[18:57:24] <melik> but upon polling from either portal; i see a listing of BOTH targets
[18:59:41] <patdk-lap> melik, it does that, I dunno why, many people have reported it, and I dunno if that is a bug or not
[18:59:46] <patdk-lap> it might be by design
[18:59:57] <patdk-lap> but when I connect to the ip not listed in tpg, it doesn't connect
[19:00:00] <patdk-lap> so it works
[19:00:18] <melik> damn! :(
[19:00:28] <melik> i'm trying to create a multi-tenant storage system
[19:00:53] <patdk-lap> ya, it's annoying
[19:01:00] <melik> but can't have clients see other client's targets
[19:01:04] <patdk-lap> I wonder if I can locate an illumos bug/feature about it
[19:01:13] <melik> there is absolutely no way around this?
[19:01:28] <patdk-lap> heh? they can't see the targets
[19:01:43] <jim80net> melik: just use host groups, your initiators will only see what luns you have defined for taht host group
[19:02:44] <patdk-lap> oh, you attempted to use tpg instead of hostgroup?
[19:02:55] <patdk-lap> I use all 3, host group, init group, and tgp
[19:02:59] <patdk-lap> tpg
[19:03:09] <melik> yeah i do use all 3
[19:03:15] <melik> i was trying to set it this way
[19:03:27] <melik> each client has a seperate target accessible through a seperate TPG
[19:04:02] <melik> all luns from client connected to target through TG
[19:05:10] <melik> and then host group organizes luns to each machine for each client
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[22:08:08] <lblume> Ooohhh, zpool version upgrade in a6. Neat.
[22:09:21] <ianj> to which version?
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[22:12:55] <ianj> oh right, we are doing feature flags now, not version numbers
[22:13:23] <lblume> yup
[22:13:44] <ianj> I just upgraded my work desktop to a6 a couple hours ago. Looks good so far.
[22:13:53] <lblume> A neat way to say I've got to choose which OS will win over my rpool, since sharing is not the way forward anymore
[22:14:21] <ianj> well, openindiana-about won't launch, but that's not exactly a showstopper.
[22:31:34] <Alasdairrr> lblume: what's the new feature?
[22:31:49] <Alasdairrr> (quicker to ask than pour through the illumos-gate commits)
[22:31:52] <richlowe> in a6? didn't think there were any
[22:31:59] <richlowe> a5 has feature-flags, background destroy
[22:32:07] <Alasdairrr> yeah, thats what i thought
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[22:37:24] <lblume> yup, feature flags, so it offers to upgrade my pools
[22:37:53] <lblume> which I kinda don't want to at this point, since I'm still sorting out which OS it will be @home
[22:39:06] <patdk-lap> no, it was async something
[22:39:14] <patdk-lap> but something else new just got added too
[22:39:42] <patdk-lap> async_destroy
[22:39:42] <patdk-lap> empty_bpobj
[22:39:50] <patdk-lap> empty_bpobj is new in a6
[22:39:54] <patdk-lap> async_destroy was in a5
[22:40:10] <patdk-lap> also, it should have lz4 compression
[22:40:47] <lblume> did it need a different zfs version? Because it stuck at 28 w/ a5
[22:41:05] <patdk-lap> heh? a5 it would report version 5000
[22:41:10] <patdk-lap> now it reports version -
[22:42:51] <patdk-lap> hmm, zle compression
[22:43:02] <patdk-lap> wonder if that is the name they gave lz4, or if it's different
[22:44:42] <lblume> Did it? Funny, I didn't notice that with a5.
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