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[00:58:35] <Hakon> hello all :)
[00:58:54] <Hakon> i'm a bit confused by the in-kernel cifs server, how do i configure it?
[00:59:30] <Hakon> i want to change some options i'd normally put in the global section of a smb.conf
[01:02:35] <Hakon> or is it another implementation than samba entirely?
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[01:07:50] <RoyK> Hakon: it's a completely different implementation
[01:07:55] <Hakon> ah.
[01:08:07] <RoyK> Hakon: some settings can be set in zfs
[01:08:19] <RoyK> some in kerberos, etc
[01:08:25] <RoyK> depends what you want
[01:08:27] <Hakon> i wanted to tune some async io stuff
[01:09:25] <RoyK> dunno if the cifs server supports that
[01:09:31] <Hakon> doesn't look like it
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[01:09:38] <Hakon> how do i disable it?
[01:09:51] <Hakon> it's easy for me to just set up samba
[01:10:04] <Hakon> but i have no idea how to disable cifs server
[01:10:11] <RoyK> svcadm disable
[01:10:31] <RoyK> but then - the cifs server has a few things samba doesn't have
[01:10:57] <Hakon> like zfs integration?
[01:11:00] <RoyK> it performs better, in general, and it supports snapshots like "previous versions" usable from windows
[01:11:15] <Hakon> neat
[01:11:30] <RoyK> neat indeed ;)
[01:11:38] <Hakon> i guess it performs better with sync writes
[01:12:02] <RoyK> add an SSD for SLOG if you want better sync performance
[01:12:21] <RoyK> but... bedtime
[01:12:22] <Hakon> i have one
[01:12:25] <Hakon> nighty
[01:12:29] <RoyK> nite
[01:12:48] <Hakon> i don't want to stress the SSD if 90% of writes are async anyway
[01:13:15] <RoyK> async writes won't go to the ZIL
[01:13:22] <RoyK> only sync writes are sent there
[01:13:31] <Hakon> well, if it goes through normal cifs it does
[01:13:49] <Hakon> all cifs writes (unless you have enabled aio) are sync
[01:13:49] <RoyK> then get a better SSD ;)
[01:14:01] <Hakon> samba supports aio, problem solved.
[01:14:12] <RoyK> in my last job, we got a pair of 30GB SLC SSDs for the SLOG
[01:14:29] <RoyK> you don't need much space on an SLOG anyway
[01:14:36] <RoyK> total used is half of RAM
[01:15:00] <RoyK> if sufficient writes are able to fill that amount in, what, 30 seconds?
[01:15:36] <RoyK> I've used cheapish MLCs for SLOG also, works a while, and then dies
[01:15:45] <Hakon> i think i have bigger problems than SSDs atm
[01:16:23] <RoyK> things like Alasdairrr abandoning his share to the project? ;)
[01:16:41] <Hakon> nono
[01:17:13] <RoyK> but - need sleep
[01:17:16] <Hakon> go!
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[01:20:41] <Hakon> 15487090688 bytes (15 GB) copied, 23.0576 s, 672 MB/s
[01:20:42] <Hakon> oh yeah.
[01:21:03] <Hakon> that's better than the 7MB/s i got in freebsd
[01:23:24] <Hakon> thank you guys <3
[01:23:32] <Hakon> and/or girls
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[03:44:31] <Aethrs> Is there any way to get debugging info on comstar/iscsi ?
[03:44:47] <Aethrs> Freebsd initiator is giving 'illegal request asc:20,0' and I'm really not sure what that means.
[03:57:24] <patdk-lap> freebsd sent a scsi command that comstar responded to with, illegal request (on scsi that is error code 20,0)
[03:59:46] <Aethrs> Turns out that while oi doesn't seem too case sensitive about host iqn's
[04:00:01] <Aethrs> As in, I can't add a uppercase "ABC.com" and a lowercase "abc.com"
[04:00:18] <Aethrs> When I add abc.com to the host-group, and the initiator is sending "ABC.com"... It doesn't match up at all.
[04:00:21] <patdk-lap> if I remember right, iqn isn't case sensitive
[04:00:30] <Aethrs> One would think that. ;)
[04:00:36] <patdk-lap> yep, I found that issue too
[04:00:42] <Aethrs> Is it a bug?
[04:00:47] <patdk-lap> dunno, didn't care
[04:00:52] <patdk-lap> I normally use all lower anyways
[04:01:01] <patdk-lap> it was just by chance I used upper from one char in the initiator
[04:01:05] <Aethrs> I guess... This took me kind of a while to diagnose.
[04:01:12] <patdk-lap> ya, 2days for me :(
[04:01:15] <Aethrs> LOL
[04:01:19] <Aethrs> 2 days for me too.
[04:01:26] <patdk-lap> but I wasn't actually working on that issue solidly for that time
[04:01:30] <Aethrs> Seems a simple fix... Missing a lc(string) or whatever, somewhere.
[04:02:05] <Aethrs> Is there someplace I should file a bug?
[04:02:21] <patdk-lap> illumos
[04:07:06] <Aethrs> My infinband switch should be here next week. :)
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[09:45:01] <lblume> trochej: Coffee?
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[09:56:54] <sjorge> lblume: I just had tea
[09:57:22] <lblume> No matter. Coffee for you, too.
[09:57:27] <sjorge> :D
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[10:47:32] <ancoron_w> ...being a little late, but: coffee!
[10:48:40] <lblume> It's always time for coffee somewhere.
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[10:56:32] <trochej> Coffee
[10:56:39] <trochej> Yupo
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[11:08:41] <sjorge> We should develop or own brand of coffee1
[11:21:54] <trochej> :)
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[14:21:49] <Sachiru> How does VirtualBox interact with DTrace? Specifically, using DTrace to get statistics of the guest VM like CPU utilization, latency, etc.?
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[14:34:03] <trochej> Coffee
[14:34:14] <trochej> Sachiru: Cool idea for a project :)
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[14:39:48] <sjorge> trochej: well I guess lots of coffee + a developer would accomplis the project
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[14:55:20] <trochej> I can take lots of first, can't code a shit thou
[14:56:42] <sjorge> neither can I
[14:56:46] <sjorge> zell I can do pythin
[14:56:55] <sjorge> but I canµt spell today it seems
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[15:11:42] <trochej> :)
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[17:29:23] <trochej> Ugh, and thus mailing list will drown in bickering about OpenSolaris name
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[17:40:29] <lblume> Again?
[17:40:36] <lblume> Which m/l this time?
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[17:57:41] <trochej> oi-dev
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[18:07:05] <lblume> Ah, Joerg was there.
[18:07:13] <trochej> Yes
[18:07:41] <trochej> I was about to write a "Please stop" mail, but don't really want to start third thread.
[18:10:43] <lblume> it will go away
[18:10:47] <lblume> and now, time for beer!
[18:12:03] <trochej> Nope, another coffee please :)
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[18:26:17] <wonko> hmmm
[18:26:37] <wonko> /etc/named.conf:13: unknown option 'directory'
[18:28:01] <wonko>           FMRI: pkg://openindiana.org/network/dns/bind at 9 dot 6.4.7.1,5.11-0.151.1.5:20120630T190116Z
[18:29:17] <tomww> looks in the first view like a incorrect setting in the bind config file /etc/named.conf on around line 13
[18:30:57] <wonko> oh, nevermind, i'm being a moron
[18:31:02] <wonko> that's outside of options {}
[18:35:25] <tomww> :)
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[19:35:09] <nostradamus99> @RoyK I read that you said: "I've used cheapish MLCs for SLOG also, works a while, and then die"
[19:35:30] <nostradamus99> how long did a MLC last..?
[19:35:59] <nostradamus99> was this after 100GB or 100TB was written to this ZIL..?
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[19:55:23] <patdk-lap> mine are working ok, I'm well over 100TB written
[19:56:42] <patdk-lap> I estimated my mlc would last 3-5years
[19:56:48] <patdk-lap> but then it took several tests
[19:57:02] <patdk-lap> all the ocz ones I used, would die in 1-2 weeks
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[20:06:21] <RoyK> nostradamus99: the server had, or has, some 80TiB of disk space, and was somewhat heavy on writes at times, but not too much
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[20:06:51] <RoyK> nostradamus99: they work a while, but will eventually die, usually long before the warranty is exceeded
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[20:07:23] <nostradamus99> so that means you get new ones..?
[20:07:33] <RoyK> I did
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[20:08:22] <nostradamus99> How did you know that your ZIL died..? does the OS detect this..?
[20:08:39] <nostradamus99> or do you need something like Nexenta Nappit..?
[20:09:21] <RoyK> zfs tossed out the drive
[20:09:34] <RoyK> too many errors == dead
[20:10:46] <RoyK> too many secrets ;)
[20:10:52] <nostradamus99> lol
[20:11:19] <nostradamus99> I know have a all in one machine with ESXi, OI and Napp-IT. one 3 way mirror and one 2 way mirror the 3 way mirror is used for my VM's through NFS
[20:11:37] <nostradamus99> the two way mirror is used as CIFS
[20:12:18] <RoyK> the SSDs we got in the end, was 30GB SLC SSDs, about the price of a decent 250GB MLC
[20:12:20] <nostradamus99> would adding a SSD as ZIL & L2ARC help with write performance..? I get about 65 MB/s now
[20:12:26] <RoyK> but faster and far more reliable
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[20:13:01] <RoyK> eMLC might be worth a try, though, but you don't need too much for SLOG anyway
[20:13:33] <patdk-lap> nostradamus99, what performance are you attempting to increase?
[20:13:40] <RoyK> but then, if you don't have room for separate SLOG and L2ARC devices, there's no problem combining the two on a single (set of) SSDs
[20:13:41] <patdk-lap> writes? reads? random? streaming?
[20:14:02] <RoyK> SLOG will do good on sync writes, which is mainly what NFS is doing
[20:14:06] <RoyK> erm
[20:14:15] <RoyK> and L2ARC on reads
[20:14:26] <nostradamus99> well copying through SMB to the 2 way mirror
[20:14:37] <RoyK> streaming won't help much, but with VMs, I gather that's not what you do most
[20:14:41] <nostradamus99> NFS traffic for VM's would be a nice bonus
[20:15:05] <patdk-lap> ya I dunno anything about cifs, as I only do streaming reads/writes there, so no real issue
[20:15:07] <nostradamus99> streaming is also a big part
[20:15:39] <RoyK> imho streaming should be done from a dedicated server
[20:15:57] <nostradamus99> I can stream 720 stuff no probs there..
[20:16:14] <RoyK> how many clients?
[20:16:20] <RoyK> what amount of video?
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[20:16:26] <nostradamus99> 1-2 at most
[20:16:36] <RoyK> that's not streaming ;)
[20:16:39] <patdk-lap> hmm? and that needs to be speed?
[20:16:40] <nostradamus99> lol
[20:16:48] <patdk-lap> that is like 5-10mbit
[20:16:50] <nostradamus99> sorry streaming in house I mean
[20:17:02] <patdk-lap> there is no point in attempting to speed that up :)
[20:17:12] <nostradamus99> Yeah sorry I mean streaming content that is ON my CIFS share
[20:17:24] <nostradamus99> through a media player
[20:17:33] <patdk-lap> yes, but the disks there aren't the issue
[20:17:37] <RoyK> in my world, streaming is like setting up for 100+ users
[20:17:46] <patdk-lap> they can easily handle 10mbit :)
[20:18:04] <RoyK> 10 millibit!
[20:18:32] <patdk-lap> ok, if you have uncompressed 720p, well, maybe
[20:18:32] <nostradamus99> no I'm purely looking at when I copy stuff to my CIFS share would a ZIL help..?
[20:18:56] <RoyK> dunno if CIFS is SYNC
[20:19:02] <RoyK> think so, though
[20:19:10] <patdk-lap> it might
[20:19:31] <patdk-lap> I woulder if it would give a noticable improvement though
[20:19:39] <patdk-lap> could always just turn sync=none
[20:19:42] <RoyK> nostradamus99: if you see dropouts in video during copy to the CIFS share, it might help - try with something cheap
[20:19:44] <patdk-lap> that is what I do
[20:19:53] <patdk-lap> who cares if something I'm writing gets corrupted
[20:20:00] <patdk-lap> I would know that, and copy it again
[20:20:01] <RoyK> patdk-lap++
[20:20:15] <patdk-lap> not likely the server crashs and I don't notice when loading in new movies :)
[20:22:29] <nostradamus99> thanks guys maybe I'll get a Crucial M4 64GB that are not that expensive
[20:22:52] <patdk-lap> before you spend money
[20:22:57] <patdk-lap> try disabling sync first
[20:23:15] <patdk-lap> zfs set sync=none pool/cifsfolder
[20:23:30] <patdk-lap> it will be *faster* then using a slog drive
[20:23:38] <patdk-lap> if you don't see improvements, it's not going to help
[20:24:24] <nostradamus99> hmm all syncs are currently disabled
[20:24:53] <nostradamus99> so maybe that answers the question then
[20:25:13] <RoyK> SLOG will only help with sync writes
[20:25:13] <nostradamus99> won't go faster then
[20:25:38] <RoyK> async writes are sent to memory and flushed later
[20:25:45] <nostradamus99> so the question is async disabled faster then zil with sync enabled
[20:26:15] <patdk-lap> sync disabled == async
[20:26:25] <patdk-lap> async is faster than slog
[20:26:27] <RoyK> there's always a zil
[20:26:54] <patdk-lap> sync with slog is not as fast as async, cause it still takes time to write to the slog
[20:27:12] <patdk-lap> though your slog is suppost to be faster than normal disks, so it should be faster than going all the way to the disks :)
[20:27:20] <patdk-lap> but still not as fast as not writing it at all :)
[20:28:39] <nostradamus99> wow headache alert :)
[20:28:51] <nostradamus99> slog=zil..?
[20:29:23] <RoyK> slog == seperate intent log
[20:29:28] <patdk-lap> slog is a place for the zil to write to
[20:29:31] <RoyK> zil == zfs intent log
[20:29:38] <patdk-lap> slog == your fast ssd write cache
[20:30:41] <patdk-lap> I think, zil = cache of all writes to be written, slog = cache of just sync writes
[20:30:41] <patdk-lap> assuming you have an slog
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[20:30:49] <RoyK> you can probably place the slog on a floppy, if you're interested
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[20:31:03] <nostradamus99> 5.25 or 3.5?
[20:31:08] <patdk-lap> 8" :)
[20:31:10] <RoyK> 8" FTW
[20:31:24] <nostradamus99> lol
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[20:31:36] <RoyK> :D
[20:32:16] <RoyK> 320kB on dual-sided 8" floppies - a win
[20:32:21] <nostradamus99> ok I'm gonna drink so tea to digest this and come back with some semi smart questions later..
[20:32:22] <nostradamus99> lol
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