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[01:43:16] <sergefonville> good day
[01:43:24] <sergefonville> how is it here today?
[01:44:56] <sergefonville> I'm trying to install the new version of Tor
[01:45:19] <sergefonville> and am now trying to figure out what the compile options were for the current package
[01:45:29] <sergefonville> when can I find those?
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[01:56:09] <raichoo> hi sergefonville
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[02:00:19] <sergefonville> hello raichoo
[02:00:23] <sergefonville> how are you?
[02:00:43] <raichoo> Good, chilling on my couch on a saturday night.
[02:00:46] <raichoo> And you?
[02:01:23] <sergefonville> fine thank you
[02:02:26] <sergefonville> can you perhaps tell me where I can find the compile options that were used when a package is compiled?
[02:03:27] <richlowe> in the makefiles.
[02:03:42] <richlowe> or if they have a full set of debug data, in there (most won't)
[02:05:13] <sergefonville> where do I find the makefiles?
[02:07:45] <richlowe> it'd help a lot if you said which software you were looking for.
[02:07:49] <richlowe> but in general, hg.openindiana.org
[02:07:57] <richlowe> the specifics of where depend on what it is.
[02:09:00] <sergefonville> Ah, sure I'll repeat :-)
[02:09:28] <sergefonville> (1:44:56) sergefonville: I'm trying to install the new version of Torlle: I'm trying to install the new version of Tor
[02:09:53] <sergefonville> (1:44:56) sergefonville: I'm trying to install the new version of Tor
[02:10:09] <richlowe> or used to be in SFW, but I don't know where it'd be now. :\
[02:10:42] <richlowe> Probably: http://hg.openindiana.org/sustaining/oi_151a/sfw-gate/file/b6d40d0a7b17/usr/src/cmd/tor
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[02:21:36] <loganbr> there is also a spec file in sfe: http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/SFEtor.spec
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[02:21:51] <richlowe> right, it's going to depend on which is running, it's probably in bloody oi-build too
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[02:23:42] <loganbr> yeah, i'm not sure how often the oi sfe repo is rebuilt so i just thought i'd point that out as another place to get a build.
[02:25:17] <sergefonville> I think I missed a part. Pidgin told me that I was disconnected :-(
[02:26:03] <loganbr> i was just pointing out that there is also a relatively new spec file in sfe: http://pkgbuild.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/pkgbuild/spec-files-extra/trunk/SFEtor.spec
[02:35:03] <raichoo> sergefonville: I usually build tor from source.
[02:35:37] <raichoo> What do you need?
[02:36:43] <sergefonville> Ideally I wouldn't have to setup a build environment, but basically I want to install the newest version.
[02:37:24] <raichoo> sergefonville: The only thing you need is libevent. The rest should work fine.
[02:42:39] <raichoo> sergefonville: Building tor is easy as pie, I do it all the time :)
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[02:47:23] <sergefonville> does that mean you have a package ready?
[02:48:22] <raichoo> I got one running in a zone on a remote server. I built it there.
[02:52:24] <raichoo> sergefonville: It's very simple to set up a tor relay. I wrote a blog about it recently
[02:53:03] <raichoo> sergefonville: http://raichoo.blogspot.com/2012/02/setting-up-tor-bride-relay-on-illumos.html
[02:56:00] <raichoo> sergefonville: If you've got any questions on how to build tor, don't hesitate to ask.
[02:56:27] <raichoo> I applaud your interest in tor, no question is considered stupid. :)
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[03:50:14] <sergefonville> I was running Tor on windows for a while, but with a gui it isn't quite like 'the real thing'
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[04:39:22] <sergefonville> Well, my main challenge for now is setting up the build environment
[04:52:17] <sergefonville> aditionally, the zone I created for building has a very odd resolution, it looks lik 80x25 or so
[04:53:14] <sergefonville> I tried changing teh TERM
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[05:07:30] <loganbr> sergefonville: i think as raichoo pointed out if you want to just rebuild tor you might not need much environment. If you plan on updating a lot of packages you might look at the pkgbuild project. It seems nice to me since other people are updating packages and well. Once you get your build zone set up it is pretty easy to build any of the specs that others have built then in theory later switch them out for ones in OI's re
[05:07:30] <loganbr> repos get updated.
[05:08:02] <loganbr> as far as setting up your current environment what are you looking for? i might be help you find it.
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[05:13:53] <sergefonville> well, I used the spec file instructions first, which wasn't very helpful
[05:14:05] <sergefonville> now I found http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Setting+up+the+recommended+build+environment
[05:14:19] <loganbr> the pkgbuild set up script?
[05:14:20] <sergefonville> but using it, I keep getting errors when installing cbe
[05:16:45] <sergefonville> WARNING: skipping package pkgbuild: required package SUNWperl584core not installled
[05:16:45] <sergefonville> When I do a pfexec pkg install SUNWperl584core it says: No updates necessary for this image
[05:19:30] <loganbr> Is this the script you tried before http://bit.ly/bootstrap-sfe-testing-os20nn?
[05:20:26] <sergefonville> not it isn't
[05:23:08] <loganbr> I have set up the full recommended environment as described in the OI wiki but I've set up the pkgbuild environment. If you are up for giving that a try again I could try to help you?
[05:23:16] <loganbr> s/have/haven't
[05:24:03] <loganbr> Although you probably just need gcc to build tor.
[05:25:49] <loganbr> If you want the simplest route you might just try install runtime/gcc and installing it manually.
[05:26:11] <sergefonville> well, I do want to use smf
[05:26:32] <sergefonville> oth having a build environment is always useful
[05:28:34] <loganbr> Would you be up for trying the Quick Setup portion of this https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/pkgbuild/index.php?title=Pkgbuild_on_OpenSolaris
[05:30:14] <sergefonville> I cannot download the script since OS is no longer available
[05:30:59] <loganbr> this fails wget http://bit.ly/bootstrap-sfe-testing-os20nn ?
[05:32:21] <sergefonville> ah, no, that script is available, I was referring to the automated installer
[05:32:59] <loganbr> that script does pretty much everything
[05:33:11] <loganbr> if you start from a fresh zone
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[05:46:27] <sergefonville> well, my zone is couple of hours old, but reasonably fresh
[05:46:54] <sergefonville> the script is running, and except that I needed to install sudo, it runs great
[05:47:27] <loganbr> cool. yeah, the fresh zone just gives the guarantee of a clean environment.
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[05:52:17] <sergefonville> since this is a semi-testserver, it isn't really clean
[05:52:52] <sergefonville> when this succeeds, this script really is awesome
[05:53:53] <loganbr> it seems pretty convenient. it worked for me. did it work this time for you?
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[05:57:50] <loganbr> if that worked for you you might also read the section below that about running a local package server. what i've been doing is getting everything i can from oi and oi-sfe then using a local package server hosted in my build zone for anything newer. the pkgtool builds it and if it succeeds put its in the packager server then i can install it on my other boxes from there.
[05:58:23] <loganbr> (other boxes including my global zone.)
[06:07:21] <sergefonville> cp: cannot create /opt/dtbld/bin/check-deps: No such file or directory
[06:07:22] <sergefonville> opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh is missing
[06:07:22] <sergefonville> SUNWbip is an unkown package
[06:09:14] <loganbr> /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh is missing after running the script with sudo? (probably twice when it asked you to log out and back in again to do it again.)
[06:11:32] <sergefonville> /var/tmp/root/pkgbuild-compilescript.6106: line 18: /opt/dtbld/bin/pkgtool: No such file or directory
[06:11:32] <sergefonville> pkgrm: ERROR: no package associated with <SFpkgbuild>
[06:11:38] <sergefonville> I ran it with pfexec
[06:11:48] <sergefonville> I will try again with sudo
[06:12:17] <loganbr> yeah, i use pfexec in general too but i used sudo for this script and it itself uses sudo as well.
[06:13:10] <sergefonville> when I first started it, it mentioned sudo is absent, but I didn't set it up beyond that
[06:13:34] <sergefonville> I added a line to /etc/sudoers to allow the build user to become root
[06:13:40] <loganbr> i think with a fresh zone i had to add sudo and wget then add myself to /etc/sudoers
[06:14:13] <loganbr> yeah, then do sudo ./bootstrap-sfe-testing-os20nn USER
[06:14:36] <sergefonville> still no /opt/jdsbld
[06:15:10] <loganbr> you mean /opt/dtbld?
[06:15:58] <loganbr> . /opt/dtbld/bin/env.sh
[06:16:06] <sergefonville> ./bootstrap-sfe-testing-os20nn: line 1579: pkgbuild-1.3.103/pkgbuild.spec-temp: No such file or directory
[06:16:15] <sergefonville> Installation finished. Please "source" the build-environment by typing the
[06:16:15] <sergefonville> following into your login shell:
[06:16:15] <sergefonville> . /opt/jdsbld/bin/env.sh
[06:16:50] <sergefonville> the dtbld dir doesn't exist either btw
[06:17:44] <loganbr> would you mind starting from a fresh zone? (zoneadm uninstall/install)
[06:17:54] <sergefonville> sure np
[06:18:58] <loganbr> and after you've booted the zone can you check uname -v and pkg publisher?
[06:22:20] <sergefonville> what terminal type do you usually use?
[06:23:09] <loganbr> For initial configuration I usually start an xterm then do zoneadm -z zone boot then zlogin -C zone then specify xterm
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[06:24:22] <loganbr> using X remotely from my laptop i can't always use the function keys so i often use Esc-2 and such. if that helps.
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[06:55:25] <sergefonville> it seems to take a lot longer
[06:55:39] <sergefonville> so I'll go to sleep now
[06:55:42] <sergefonville> and let it run
[06:55:56] <sergefonville> even if my ssh session breaks, it will keep running
[06:56:04] <sergefonville> I'll check back tomorrow
[06:56:12] <sergefonville> will you be here tomorrow?
[06:58:45] <loganbr> yeah, at least for part of the day. good night. you also might check that you have the latest OI version uname -v == oi_151a2
[06:59:23] <loganbr> (if not you might do pkg update -v but you probably already did that.)
[07:03:32] <sergefonville> well. the errors are the same, still no dtbld and jdsbld
[07:03:39] <sergefonville> it is up to date
[07:03:55] <sergefonville> thanks for all your help
[07:04:02] <KJChernov> yeah! finally! built boost libraries on OI! I thought I'll never see when the build finishes
[07:04:05] <sergefonville> talk to you tomorrow
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[07:09:16] <KJChernov> damn... does anyone know, is there a way to get Ctrl+O working in mc running in a zone?
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[09:19:58] <KJChernov> system stucks when using make -j64 :(
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[10:16:25] <KJChernov> Yeah! I did it! http://k.cher.pp.ru/Mumble.png :)
[10:16:50] <KJChernov> built a lot of libraries to finally get it compiled & working :)
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[14:20:22] <KJChernov> guys, is there any hidden sense in directory structure in OpenIndiana? (maybe it's not just OI, but Solaris too, idk)
[14:20:39] <KJChernov> I mean, /usr/g++, /usr/gnu, etc.... what are they for?
[14:25:00] <tsoome> what do you think? is there an sense?
[14:25:31] <KJChernov> I dont know. I just found that very insulting when trying to compile some apps that requires a lot of libs
[14:25:40] <KJChernov> which are not in OI packages
[14:26:41] <tsoome> ? and how that involves the directory trees in solaris?
[14:27:29] <KJChernov> well, first thing is paths... it taked a long for me to figure out which paths (insted of just /usr/lib) I should point to LDFLAGS
[14:27:31] <tsoome> you mean, where you should put the addons?
[14:28:04] <tomww> you can read the libaray path stuff on pkgbuild.wiki.sourceforge.net
[14:28:26] <tomww> that explaining is why SFE discussed making /usr/g++
[14:29:10] <tsoome> there is several sides on this coin really.
[14:29:32] <tsoome> one thing is, solaris does contain bits from very different blends.
[14:30:21] <tsoome> bsd, sysv, "native", gnu, while gnu itself is whole hell
[14:30:59] <tsoome> another is, you cant have all internet built in, there is always some new innovative bit missing
[14:31:36] <KJChernov> well, yeah
[14:31:43] <tsoome> and even more, the bits which are incorporated, are already obsolete in sense that there may be loads of updates
[14:32:11] <tsoome> the unfortunate issue is that the builds tend to "require" latest bits.
[14:32:33] <tsoome> built in version controls in configure scripts etc
[14:33:33] <tsoome> anyhow, the traditional approach is that /usr tree is anything coming with base OS itself, except /usr/local which has been traditional prefix for gnu land.
[14:35:26] <tsoome> the solaris 10 did introduce /usr/sfw for gnu bits bundled with os, in opensolaris it did transform to /usr/gnu (in some sense at least)
[14:35:54] <tsoome> and tomww gave hint about /usr/g++
[14:36:11] <KJChernov> yes, I'm reading it right now)
[14:36:58] <KJChernov> Solaris Studio is not the same as Sun Studio from OI perspective, right?
[14:37:19] <tsoome> it is, the question is about the actual version
[14:38:00] <KJChernov> ah, ok...
[14:38:20] <KJChernov> btw, I was unable to make my extra mouse buttons work in Xorg... is there any clues?
[14:38:51] <KJChernov> I used google, but it didn't give me anything specific...
[14:39:06] <tsoome> source then, i guess.
[14:39:34] <tsoome> if the mouse driver can get those events and translate to X events...
[14:41:19] <KJChernov> well, then it's not a one-hour problem, I guess)
[14:42:46] <tsoome> no idea really. I only have traditional mouse connected to my solaris desktop - so never had to check...
[14:43:04] <tsoome> traditional = 2-3 button/wheel
[14:44:27] <KJChernov> yeah, I know, it's stupid for me to try to make a full-desktop OS from Solaris) which wasn't made for it...
[14:44:50] <tsoome> well, it depends how you define full desktop.
[14:45:24] <KJChernov> well, I'm usually using these apps: gajim, pidgin, firefox, thunderbird, mumble, Urban Terror and wine :)
[14:45:28] <tsoome> I have used it as desktop for years. for technical tasks its just fine.
[14:46:36] <KJChernov> well, technical tasks - yes, I agree... but, I was lucky enough to make almost everything I need to work on OI :)
[14:46:55] <tsoome> after multimedia got more common, i switched to OSX as main desktop - so I dont have to waste time for simple things and I still have all unix power
[14:47:36] <tsoome> and for the rest I have VM and servers in net ….
[14:48:06] <KJChernov> OSX is good... but it's too user-friendly
[14:48:44] <KJChernov> and I was unable to get mc fully working on my 10.4)
[14:49:06] <tsoome> cant help about mc, i have never used it;)
[14:49:10] <KJChernov> :)
[14:49:48] <KJChernov> I used FAR manager 5 or 6 years ago on Windows, so I really get used to two-side console file managers
[14:50:01] <KJChernov> just cant live without it)
[14:50:23] <KJChernov> ah, last question) Finally, I've remembered what I wanted to ask about)
[14:50:36] <tsoome> nc was ok on dos era, but in modern unix where you have all completion support etc….
[14:50:38] <KJChernov> I didnt understand well, what is Illumian?
[14:50:55] <KJChernov> does it have anything in common with OI except the kernel?
[14:51:20] <KJChernov> I found that it have apt-get as a primary package manager
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[14:53:59] <tsoome> never checked about it - there has been some different distros based on opensource opensolaris project, but cant really tell the real difference except for 2 - nexenta and smartos. those are most influential ones today.
[14:55:01] <KJChernov> there's a message on nexenta's site that it will be closed soon
[14:55:18] <KJChernov> and nexenta core became a part of illumian
[14:55:24] <KJChernov> that's why I was asking)
[14:56:08] <tsoome> ah, so the answer is, its the old nexenta;)
[14:56:10] <tsoome> :D
[14:56:33] <tsoome> think Triskelios can tell more
[14:56:35] <tsoome> ;)
[14:56:58] <KJChernov> :D
[14:57:23] <tsoome> anyhow, nexenta is not for generic os that much, but storage appliance
[14:57:54] <tsoome> no idea if they intend to change that focus with illumian or not
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[17:09:32] <sivanov_> is it possible to increase max io size in solaris?
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[17:11:58] <viridari> tsoome: I had played with Nexenta CP awhile back and it was well on its way towards being a generic OS. The only real thing that was in the way was a broad & stable corpus of packages
[17:16:03] <viridari> using it as a desktop wasn't really there yet... OI is much further along in those regards (but still way behind IMHO). But if you wanted to use it as a foundation for an AMP stack, or to run almost any other variety of generic server, it was probably ready
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[17:26:54] <tsoome> aye
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[18:55:56] <kenon_> It isn't possible to convert a raidz to a raidz2 by adding a disk. Is it then viable to create a degraded raidz2 (with one disk missing) in the first place, so the option is always there to increase the parity?
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[18:56:28] <Beket> Hello people. How could I map nfs gid/uid's from client to server?
[18:58:17] <Beket> I get some google hits on having an /etc/nfs.map file that you pass via map_static=
[18:58:37] <Beket> but I think this is for linux nfs servers
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[19:00:46] <alanc> yes, the traditional Solaris answer was always "use a naming service like NIS or LDAP so all your users have the same UID everywhere", while Linux developers decided to implement mapping in the filesystem instead
[19:02:01] <Beket> so what do you pleado when the nfs client isn't solaris ?
[19:02:13] <Beket> (solaris, opensolaris, illumos, etc)
[19:03:33] <Triskelios> Kerberos, NIS, LDAP, manual sync, etc...
[19:04:29] <Beket> okay :D thanks guys
[19:04:42] <Triskelios> kenon_: use a sparse file as a temporary member
[19:05:25] <kenon_> Triskelios: If its possible, what are the downsides? That is to say, why does raidz exist at all?
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[19:10:59] <viridari> raidz fills the same need as RAID5, just a little better
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[19:15:22] <kenon> Yep, I understand that raidz is analogous to raid5 and raidz2 to raid6, but I don't understand why, if reshaping is not possible between the zfs versions we can't just use the higher parity level in a degraded state (leaving the option to add a parity disk in the future)
[19:17:04] <kenon> If its possible to hack around it then I'm interested as to why people don't do so. I assume there will be a disadvantage
[19:20:32] <Triskelios> kenon: that's an interesting question. I don't know of reasons other than performance penalty from the more complex math involved
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[19:21:02] <Triskelios> kenon: probably worth asking the Delphix folks via developer or zfs-discuss
[19:21:10] <Triskelios> (Adam and Matt specifically I guess)
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[19:23:58] <Triskelios> oh, I guess you're still writing to three disks for the majority of logical writes; just two for the ones that happen to get striped to the missing device
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[19:44:26] <kenon> I think I understand what you are saying after staring at http://storagegaga.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/zfs-raid-z-variable-stripe-width.jpg :-)
[19:44:54] <kenon> Writes needn't touch all the disks, is that it?
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[23:07:11] <sergefonville> good day all
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[23:40:39] <sergefonville> loganbr: are you here?
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