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[12:31:45] <Ganymede> I could not easily find information about this but are people running OpenIndiana on KVM on Linux? Googling around, I only see bug reports ("OpenIndiana boots up on kvm-linux about 10% of the time", "Can't have disks larger than 100 GB", "Can't use virtio"). I was planning to install OpenIndiana on KVM on Linux and give direct access to two physical 2 TB disks and use it as a ZFS file server (for which
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[12:31:47] <Ganymede> virtio-net and virtio-blk would be extremely handy). Should I just quit before I even start trying?
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[12:35:22] <nix-cyrus> Ganymede: don't know about your question.. but do you think that zfs over openindiana over kvm will have better performance than zfs+fuse just over linux-kernel?
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[17:10:01] <Ganymede> nix-cyrus: There's some part of me that doesn't exactly trust either ZFS over FUSE or the native ZFS module...plus it looks like the last ZFS-Fuse release is pretty old. Plus, it's not in my distro's package management solution and I generally don't like installing out-of-repository packages.
[17:12:00] <Ganymede> Plus, there is at least some stuff that I do that would require high read IOPS and I feel like ZFS-Fuse won't be up to the challenge whereas Illumos on KVM with virtio-blk using whole physical disks will be near native.
[17:12:32] <Ganymede> If I had separate hardware at my disposal, I'd just throw Illumos on a box on its own but I don't have separate physical hardware at the moment.
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[17:46:39] <chibi-hazel> Hi there
[17:47:33] <chibi-hazel> I've moved the root disk (i.e. with grub, and the root pool) from a SATA port on one controller to a SATA port on a different controller (that was previously used for the optical drive)
[17:47:49] <chibi-hazel> and now when I try to boot it, grub is fine, and appears to load the kernel
[17:48:13] <chibi-hazel> but after the graphical splash goes away, and you see the "SunOS" kernel text (about half a screen's worth), it very quickly reboots
[17:48:39] <chibi-hazel> booting with "-s" on the end of the kernel$ line is no different
[17:52:14] <chibi-hazel> also, I upgraded the machine from oi_148 to oi_151a, a week or two ago, and did a "fast reboot" into the new system and it seemed to work OK
[17:52:28] <chibi-hazel> prior to shutting down today and moving the drive
[17:53:06] <chibi-hazel> so I don't actually have an oi_151a server DVD image, but I do have an oi_151a desktop DVD image, presumably I could use that to examine the situation?
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[18:34:12] <chibi-hazel> aha
[18:34:24] <chibi-hazel> booting with -k drops me to kmdb instead of rebooting when it panics
[18:34:31] <chibi-hazel> so now I can actually read the message >_>
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[19:17:11] <chibi-hazel> well, I managed to fix it
[19:17:29] <chibi-hazel> used the install CD to boot text mode, imported and mounted the pool, and updated the boot archive
[19:17:42] <chibi-hazel> I have no idea if it was importing and exporting the root pool, or updating the boot archive that fixed it
[19:17:45] <chibi-hazel> but it works now
[19:17:58] <chibi-hazel> except... I decided to do a "zpool scrub" of the root pool for the first time in ages
[19:18:05] <chibi-hazel> (over a year)
[19:18:16] <chibi-hazel> and I got some messages from the kernel about scsi timeouts
[19:18:35] <chibi-hazel> and the rpool status says "scrub repaired 2.50K in 0h12m with 0 errors on ..."
[19:18:49] <chibi-hazel> and has a "6" in the CKSUM column for the disk c3d1s0
[19:19:13] <chibi-hazel> is it that the timeouts caused the checksum errors, or that there is a physical disk problem, which cause the timeouts?
[19:19:26] * chibi-hazel ponders if there's a way to examine the SMART stats in solaris...
[19:23:33] <chibi-hazel> aha, smartmontools is in SFE
[19:23:52] * chibi-hazel adds the sfe and sfe-encumbered publishers and then attempts to install it
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[19:28:39] <tomww> remember to use the "rdsk" entries with smartmonttols
[19:30:02] <chibi-hazel> hmm
[19:30:33] <chibi-hazel> I've tried a bunch of the different /dev/rdsk/c3d1p* and c3d1s* devices
[19:30:37] <chibi-hazel> and none of them seem to work
[19:30:43] <chibi-hazel> with smartctll
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[19:35:49] <tomww> do those disks appear in the output of cfgadm -avl | less
[19:36:10] <tomww> if not, then the interesting question is, what kind of controller is in use
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[19:38:43] <tomww> I think listing doesn't work on solaris, try -a for instance, and most likely you need to set the sata,12 mode or something
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[19:43:03] <tomww> the disk should be in AHCI mode, or you get the old IDE device type
[19:43:28] <tomww> with AHCI it should be e.g. smartctl -a -d sat,12 /dev/rdsk/c3d0p0
[19:45:30] <chibi-hazel> hmmm
[19:45:52] <chibi-hazel> I can't seem to see it in cfgadm -avl
[19:46:09] <chibi-hazel> and, I think that the "ODD" sata port on the HP Microserver's motherboard may be an IDE emulation thing
[19:47:19] <tomww> yeah. the box I used right now for verification is by accident in IDE mode, not in AHCI :-) So I'll soon switch
[19:47:39] <chibi-hazel> I can't seem to get much information out of it, heh
[19:47:45] <chibi-hazel> I might just boot a linux CD and try that way >_>
[19:47:45] <chibi-hazel> heh
[19:47:47] <tomww> that one over to AHCI which might need a DVD boot and import the rpool manually (changed device paths stored in the pool)
[19:48:03] <chibi-hazel> uh?
[19:48:03] <tomww> and maybe as well an installgrub
[19:48:41] <tomww> maybe the linux IDE driver can pass through the commands to the disks.
[19:49:29] <chibi-hazel> I did an "import and export" of the root pool from the live DVD, and rebuilt the boot archive in between
[19:49:39] <chibi-hazel> which got it booting at all after moving it to that different SATA port
[19:49:56] <chibi-hazel> but I didn't do an "installgrub" as it appeared that grub was working fine
[19:56:20] <tomww> well, that installgrub might not be necessary at all
[19:57:11] <tomww> so if you can switch to AHCI mode, it would be better anyways. the procedure to get the device paths recorded in the pool you already know
[20:11:16] <chibi-hazel> what is this "switching to AHCI mode" you speak of? Do you mean in the BIOS? I'm not aware that this particular controller supports AHCI mode.
[20:11:31] <tomww> yes, in the BIOS
[20:11:41] <chibi-hazel> oh, I see
[20:12:04] <chibi-hazel> it sounded like you were saying that "importing and exporting the root pool, and reinstalling grub, would 'switch to AHCI mode'"
[20:12:07] <chibi-hazel> which was confusing me ;P
[20:12:33] <chibi-hazel> I'll take a look in the BIOS, though
[20:13:03] <chibi-hazel> unrelatedly: pro-tip: non-atomically overwriting libc is bad
[20:13:25] <chibi-hazel> there's a "SATA Controller Mode" setting, which is already set to AHCI
[20:13:45] <chibi-hazel> but I don't think you can make the port that was intended for the Optical Disk Drive use anything other than IDE emulation
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[20:19:03] <tomww> could be that this port is served by a different chip ...
[20:19:09] <chibi-hazel> indeed, I think it is
[20:19:49] * chibi-hazel remembers that she has a copy of systemrescuecd kicking around, and doesn't need to try installing missing libraries (and accidentally overwriting libc </fail>) to get smartctl working
[20:19:56] <chibi-hazel> in the debian installer environment
[20:25:53] <chibi-hazel> hmm, well, the stats look OK :S
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[20:26:43] <tomww> any numbers in unrecoverable read errors or ecc errors?
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[20:45:07] <chibi-hazel> tomww: um, none in unrecoverable read error "raw" value
[20:45:10] <chibi-hazel> I forget what ECC said
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[21:06:09] <tomww> if the disk reads a sector plus the error correction code then it calculates if the data read
[21:06:14] <tomww> is valid
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[21:07:06] <tomww> it tells a little if the disk itself detected mismatches while reading data
[21:08:20] <tomww> is you disk setup mirrored? if yes, then scrub corrects the errors it finds - if there is another copy it can read the clean data from
[21:08:53] <tomww> if not mirrored, then it might reject the read fomr the filesystem contents where the errors hav ebeen detected.
[21:09:39]
[21:10:17] <tomww> then another scrub might not come back again with errors, instead with no (no) errors found which would the be totally perfect
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[21:53:53] <simplew> cant boot USB live openindiana, any help?
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[22:01:36] <Warod> use DVD
[22:02:13] <simplew> Warod: i cant, thats simply not helping
[22:02:51] <Warod> simplew: well, I've _tried_ to install OI from USB many times... haven't succeeded even once.
[22:03:00] <Warod> USB DVD drive has been successful though.
[22:03:44] <simplew> Warod: i can boot the usb, but then i end in console mode and i cant go any forther
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[22:04:27] <simplew> no materr what usb boot option i select, after i enter the root user/pass im left in console
[22:05:13] <Warod> simplew: I had the same problem last time. No clue why. Worked perfectly from USB DVD drive.
[22:05:33] <simplew> Warod: was tat roblem reported?
[22:05:40] <simplew> Warod: was that problem reported?
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[22:06:08] <Warod> simplew: Well, asked about it here and people thought it was due to corrupted image. Which was not the case.
[22:06:16] <Warod> I had no time to push it further at the time.
[22:06:42] <simplew> f it was a corruped image it would not even boot...
[22:08:35] <simplew> Warod: where is posible to report bugs?
[22:09:38] <Warod> simplew: I don't know
[22:11:05] <Triskelios> simplew: you need to read the X server log
[22:11:08] <Triskelios> Warod: /topic
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[22:11:53] <Warod> Triskelios: I even thought that it might read on topic but it was too much to type and check for it. ;)
[22:12:04] <simplew> Triskelios: first im asked about to enter a username, why that happens where only root can be used?
[22:12:54] <Triskelios> simplew: the install instructions tell you what to check if X doesn't start
[22:13:44] <simplew> Triskelios: i didnt see that
[22:13:51] <simplew> Triskelios: to what url are you refering?
[22:13:58] <Warod> Triskelios: But there must be _something_ wrong with the USB image as the DVD image just work without anything weird...
[22:14:30] <Warod> Triskelios: And I had the same kind of experience with USB than simplew.
[22:15:07] <Triskelios> Warod: no, USB image always works for me
[22:15:44] <simplew> Triskelios: i have done whats written here http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Installing+OpenIndiana
[22:15:51] <Warod> Triskelios: Well, I stand my case. Something is different at least.
[22:16:01] <simplew> Triskelios: well you have here the prove that some is not ok
[22:16:29] <Triskelios> sure, but I know the images are basically identical
[22:16:47] <Triskelios> could be a USB driver issue on that system
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[22:17:04] <Warod> Triskelios: Yeah, that's where I'd look as well.
[22:17:31] <Triskelios> simplew: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:17:52] <Warod> simplew: do you use the server or desktop image btw?
[22:18:09] <simplew> desktop
[22:18:17] <Warod> ok, mine was server flavour
[22:18:34] <Warod> so the same problem. I'd suspect USB driver or such.
[22:18:43] <simplew> seams so...
[22:19:08] <Warod> what kind of hardware?
[22:19:30] <Triskelios> we don't need to speculate. just check the log first
[22:19:33] <simplew> to what hardware are you refering?
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[22:19:45] <simplew> fir that i need to boot usb again...
[22:20:04] <Warod> simplew: the hardware you experience these problems. :)
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[22:20:25] <simplew> you still need to be more specific
[22:20:29] <Batzy> Hey guys, how does openindiana measure up to other OSes in terms of desktop usage?
[22:20:33] <Batzy> I was considering using it
[22:20:42] <simplew> but Triskelios is right, we need to first check logs
[22:21:04] <simplew> Batzy: thats a question without a specific answer
[22:21:10] <Triskelios> Batzy: well, there's no 3D acceleration for ATI video cards or some newer Intel chips
[22:21:34] <Warod> Batzy: depends strongly on your personal preferences really..
[22:22:08] <simplew> im gg to try the USB in virtualbox
[22:22:36] <Warod> simplew: that will work though. :P
[22:22:49] <Batzy> I'm wondering what the advantages are
[22:23:26] <Batzy> I have an extra partition on this computer where I'm currently using archlinux
[22:23:27] <Warod> Batzy: My personal opinion... Last time I used the desktop environment, it was like going 5 years back in time with linux desktop. :P
[22:23:40] <Batzy> So it's really out of date
[22:23:46] <Warod> it was not oi151 though
[22:24:18] <Warod> it was 147 or iirc, so there might've been improvement as well.
[22:24:36] <Triskelios> the default desktop is GNOME 2.x
[22:24:50] <simplew> how much space should i use in virtualbox for openindiana?
[22:24:55] <simplew> the default is 16GB
[22:24:59] <simplew> is this right?
[22:25:05] <Warod> Batzy: But some of the management stuff is waaay better than what linux has ever had. ( GUI things )
[22:26:38] <Triskelios> simplew: more than enough
[22:28:53] <simplew> great, now vurtualbox doesn load usb device
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[22:50:42] <Triskelios> I'm going to retest the current USB image...
[22:50:43] <tomww> fresh USB extensions loaded?
[22:51:26] <tomww> (exttension pack)
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[23:34:51] <simplew> how am i gona run the usb live dics in Vbox?
[23:37:59] <tsoome> why dont us use normal live disk?
[23:38:05] <tsoome> you*
[23:39:06] <lennard> because any cd player is going to be an usb one anyway, and then there is the issue of finding empties :P
[23:39:26] <tsoome> errm?
[23:40:12] <tsoome> ah, you wanna test it on vbox before real hardware?
[23:40:37] <lennard> oh wait, vbox, I missed that part, sorry
[23:40:44] <simplew> Triskelios: what kind of file system is the one saed in the USB stick?
[23:40:54] <simplew> Triskelios: what kind of file system is the one saved in the USB stick?
[23:42:13] <simplew> icant even mount my usb device becuase it fails: Requested filesystem type is neither well-known nor in /proc/filesystems nor in /etc/filesystems
[23:42:19] <Triskelios> UFS
[23:43:00] <simplew> de device notifier isnt able to mount, and it outputs that message
[23:43:16] <simplew> ]$ LC_ALL=C sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom/
[23:43:18] <simplew> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[23:43:37] <P|D> simplew: sorry just read a few lines back - what exactly are you trying to acomplish?
[23:43:55] <simplew> im trying to run the usb device in vbox
[23:44:06] <Triskelios> simplew: you can't mount it in Linux
[23:44:06] <simplew> but i cant even mount it so that vbox can get it
[23:44:21] <Triskelios> you don't WANT to mount it for vbox
[23:44:24] <simplew> so how am i gona run it in vbox?
[23:44:39] <P|D> what's on the USB drive? some videos, photos or you are trying to boot OS off of it?
[23:44:49] <Triskelios> I don't know how to get vbox to boot from a real USB device
[23:44:54] <Triskelios> check the docs?
[23:45:07] <simplew> i did
[23:45:12] <simplew> nothing
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[23:46:02] <P|D> simplew: what about (1st quick google search) http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-a-usb-flash-drive-in-virtualbox/ ?
[23:46:40] <Triskelios> I don't know if that would actually work; the USB image expects to find the drive connected via USB
[23:46:48] <P|D> (that does not really fix the 'cannot mount USB drive in virtual box' problem though :P )
[23:46:57] <Triskelios> worth trying though
[23:47:20] <simplew> Triskelios: ill just download the dvd iso file
[23:48:02] <simplew> P|D: if i wasnt already tired of trying this i would check your suggestion, thanks
[23:48:42] <simplew> Triskelios: by the way, which gcc version has openindiana?
[23:49:34] <P|D> simplew: just a short Y/N kind of question, more a sanity check :) did you run dd as described at http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Installing+OpenIndiana ?
[23:50:13] <simplew> Triskelios: but as you saw teres severall users complaining that USB live doesnt boot so it would worth to fix it
[23:50:33] <simplew> P|D: ye
[23:50:37] <Triskelios> simplew: "doesn't boot" is not enough information
[23:51:07] <simplew> Triskelios: so tell me what exactly the info you need so that i can send you
[23:54:40] <Triskelios> simplew: any errors you see, and the contents of the X server log as I mentioned
[23:55:26] <simplew> Triskelios: dmesg output as well»
[23:55:28] <simplew> Triskelios: dmesg output as well?
[23:56:01] <Triskelios> svcs -xv is more likely to have useful information
[23:58:28] <simplew> ok brb
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