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[00:00:27] <myrkraverk> Triskelios, thank's I'll take a look.
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[00:02:07] <myrkraverk> rh6sysresources=/etc/X11/xinit/Xresources <--- wait wat?
[00:02:10] <myrkraverk> :)
[00:02:21] <myrkraverk> Is that "redhat 6?" :)
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[00:13:50] <e1kg> http://pastebin.com/NbsD71aM
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[00:15:33] <Triskelios> yes, yes it is
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[00:20:14] <myrkraverk> e1kg, It's quite useful to look at the corresponding part of config.log too.
[00:20:36] <myrkraverk> Unfortunately, it's rarely at the bottom of that file.
[00:20:41] * myrkraverk hates ./configure.
[00:21:24] <e1kg> myrkraverk: ok:D
[00:22:11] <myrkraverk> Interestingly, I've seen configure check for some symbol in some lib, but that symbol is never used.
[00:22:19] <myrkraverk> And that symbol check fails.
[00:22:40] <myrkraverk> Sometimes I feel configure checks are written by morons.
[00:23:10] <alanc> sometimes they are
[00:23:21] <alanc> a certain amount of all software is written by morons
[00:23:29] <richlowe> autoconf is rarely stupidity induced
[00:23:34] <richlowe> it's because it's an m4-ridden pain in the ass
[00:23:42] <richlowe> so it's 3rd-hand cargo cult bullshit.
[00:24:09] <richlowe> or worse, I've seen things where it's not easy to tell how long ago in the copy/paste chain someone actually understood
[00:24:24] <alanc> yeah, checking for unused symbols is commonly seen when people just copy some other project's configure.ac because they don't want to learn how to make their own
[00:24:24] <myrkraverk> :)
[00:24:47] <myrkraverk> Ah.
[00:25:15] <alanc> or when they change the code and forget to change the configure checks
[00:25:18] <e1kg> was this helpful? http://pastebin.com/wXbSa9wh
[00:28:50] <myrkraverk> e1kg, Yes, to a point. It seems to be checking for the presence of ldap_parse_vlv_control() but the testsuite barfs if it's not found. Some brain damage seems to be going on here.
[00:30:33] <myrkraverk> I don't understand why this would not just result in "testing for...no"
[00:34:26] <tsoome> such function test either fail to compile or to link.
[00:34:55] <tsoome> in either case, it should be in the log.
[00:35:02] <myrkraverk> tsoome, Yes, the question is, why is the ./configure script failing at this and not just outputting "testing...no"
[00:35:53] <tsoome> one of the big secrets of the nature? ;)
[00:36:00] <myrkraverk> :)
[00:39:15] <myrkraverk> e1kg, The answer might be a little bit further down in the log.
[00:42:14] <e1kg> myrkraverk: yes. two of checks failed now. LDAPSortKey and ldap_parse_vlv_contro. check now. :)
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[00:46:05] <tsoome> you need to search around that log and find the place where is the result of actual check - compiler or link error
[00:48:27] <e1kg> like this ? http://pastebin.com/uepxFze8
[00:50:40] <tsoome> yes. so you can see the code is using #include <ldap.h> and is expecting to have LDAPSortKey type defined
[00:56:05] <e1kg> tsoome: : hmm, check fail of LDAPSortKey solved. configure seems using /usr/include/ldap.h one, not /usr/include/openldap/ldap.h.
[00:56:44] <tsoome> so it was missing correct include path;)
[01:06:19] <e1kg> oh, ldap_initialize in -lldap_r check failed... openldap only have libldap_r-2.4. after ugly hack,..:ber_init in -llber... no...lol
[01:08:00] <Triskelios> should be possible to convince wine to use the Sun ldap, iirc
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[01:12:12] <e1kg> Triskelios: ok, i'll google it.
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[01:26:08] <myrkraverk> e1kg, Are you compiling wine?
[01:26:54] <e1kg> yes
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[01:31:09] <e1kg> myrkraverk: what's up ;)
[01:32:33] <myrkraverk> Because I also am thinking about compiling wine and see if the latest will do to run WoW :)
[01:32:55] <e1kg> myrkraverk: yes, me too :)
[01:33:41] <myrkraverk> Haha.
[01:34:18] <myrkraverk> I'm currently using Ubuntu - I tried Fedora 16, but that failed with the provided Wine + their nvidia driver doesn't find my laptop's LCD screen.
[01:34:45] <myrkraverk> And I really don't want to install Ubuntu again.
[01:35:07] <myrkraverk> (I've installed a new hdd and am wondering how I want to run WoW now)
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[01:37:57] <e1kg> myrkraverk: hmm...i have to tried freebsd yesterday, but for some reason, haven't done :P
[01:39:11] <myrkraverk> Right now I just swap hdds when I want to run WoW :P
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[01:41:07] <e1kg> ha...this is only reason for windows existed in my hdd :(
[01:41:33] <myrkraverk> Now I have a serious question, why would dbx (12.2 and 12.3) not know about debugging Java?
[01:41:56] <myrkraverk> I do not recall this problem with S11X.
[01:42:34] <myrkraverk> Mine does not recognize the jon and joff commands.
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[01:43:01] <myrkraverk> Hmm, maybe because I'm not running the debug agent.
[01:43:05] * myrkraverk checks that.
[01:50:12] <myrkraverk> Ok, why would dbx be looking for jdk.boot.jar? http://paste.lisp.org/+2QO9
[01:52:01] <richlowe> presumably, as it claims, 'cos it's in the classpath
[01:52:41] <myrkraverk> Yes, that's kind of obvious. The question is more likely, why isn't it there? :P
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[01:53:42] <richlowe> sure, but that's not the question you asked
[01:54:29] <myrkraverk> richlowe, Yeah, I know.
[01:54:49] <myrkraverk> I found people complaining about this in a netbeans forum.
[01:55:08] <myrkraverk> Presumably it's part of the netbeans jdk. Now I wonder if I do have that jdk installed anywhere.
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[02:09:17] <myrkraverk> e1kg, But, if you're building Wine just to play WoW, why don't you just use --without-ldap (or the equivalent) ?
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[02:12:35] <e1kg> myrkraverk: if i want to 'run' wow, i don't need any params to configure, and login fails.
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[02:14:41] <myrkraverk> Ok, the /usr/bin/wine fails with an X error.
[02:15:03] <myrkraverk> For the record, I did use my custom built wine to run WoW on snv_115 successfully.
[02:18:30] <e1kg> myrkraverk: yes, i have play wow on osol 2008.05
[02:18:46] <e1kg> maybe b.net related?
[02:20:41] <e1kg> after google'd, seems native(windows one) wldap32.dll may to solve this issue.
[02:23:35] <myrkraverk> Ah, but that does not explain why I can play in Ubuntu.
[02:23:47] <myrkraverk> Because I'm sure I did not install any native DLLs.
[02:25:02] <e1kg> yes, so this is why i tried to ldap support to wine.
[02:25:13] <myrkraverk> Ah.
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[02:31:38] <e1kg> native wldap32.dll not work for me.
[02:35:42] <myrkraverk> e1kg, Are you playing on EU servers?
[02:36:37] <e1kg> They have different ?_?
[02:36:54] <myrkraverk> There are different servers for America and Europe.
[02:37:23] <myrkraverk> e1kg, Where are you from?
[02:37:40] <e1kg> taiwan
[02:37:58] <myrkraverk> Ah, then you probably are using east asian servers.
[02:38:06] <myrkraverk> Though not neccesarily.
[02:39:06] <myrkraverk> I was going to ask you to add me on real-id, but I'm not sure it'll work when we're not using the same location.
[02:39:38] <e1kg> but i can't login:P
[02:40:17] <myrkraverk> :)
[02:40:54] <myrkraverk> Well, you can add my real id whenever you log it: johann at myrkraverk dot com (and no, you can't hack me 'cause I have an authenticator)
[02:41:12] <e1kg> hack?_?
[02:41:21] <myrkraverk> I'm going to swap hdds and play wow for a while, I'm tired of this jdk.boot.jar error.
[02:41:30] <myrkraverk> Try to guess my password.
[02:41:56] <e1kg> yes, for sure.
[02:42:07] <myrkraverk> See you guys.
[02:42:09] <myrkraverk> Have fun.
[02:42:22] <e1kg> you too ;)
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[08:13:07] <madwizard> Coffee
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[10:31:34] <ozquera> hi, is ther any hope for a sparc release of openindiana?
[10:31:52] <JT-EC> There is always hope.
[10:32:02] <ozquera> hehe
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[10:53:04] <ozquera> seriously, are there any plans for a sparc release?
[10:54:18] <madwizard> ozquera: I think the work is ongoing
[11:19:34] <RoyK> ozquera: there's been things in the work for some time, but then, there aren't that many requests for sparc, since solaris10/11 works and is usually delivered with the hardware without extra cost
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[11:34:49] <Botanic> RoyK, what about people with older sparc hardware, they still get updates for free?
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[11:35:02] <Botanic> just curious
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[11:36:36] <tsoome> oracle does not provide free patches.
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[11:51:12] <Botanic> so people with sparc and older hardware/os's will prolly start to become intrested in OI
[11:51:20] <Botanic> thatd be my assumption at least
[11:55:35] <Agnar> there are people already busy getting the bits built on sparc, but it's not that easy
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[13:39:58] <sivanov_> so what can be possible cause of high asvc_t (900-1000) when doing zfs io? when i dd directrly to disks, i get asvc_t=2 at 100% busy
[13:42:47] <tsoome> what dd options are you using?
[13:43:34] <sivanov_> dd if=/dev/zero of=/pool/test/test.file bs=1m
[13:43:36] <sivanov_> *1024k
[13:43:55] <tsoome> bs=1m.
[13:44:09] <sivanov_> and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/c3t0d0p0 bs=1024k
[13:47:12] <tsoome> what you wanna compare is the IOPS (r/s+w/s) to bandwith (kr/s+kw/s) and to get average block size for one operation (bandwith / IOPS)
[13:47:38] <tsoome> that will explain the difference.
[13:47:49] <sivanov_> well, this is abnormal behavior
[13:48:00] <tsoome> why?
[13:48:10] <sivanov_> bot times blocksize is 1MB
[13:48:25] <tsoome> so?
[13:48:33] <sivanov_> when doing zfs dd disks show 10 iops and 100% busy
[13:48:41] <sivanov_> @10MB/s
[13:49:06] <sivanov_> when doing single disk dd iostat shows 400 iops and 100MB/s
[13:49:28] <tsoome> how long the write test did last?
[13:50:13] <sivanov_> munutes
[13:50:59] <tsoome> what interval for iostat?
[13:51:21] <sivanov_> 1 sec
[13:51:33] <tsoome> no other IO on pool?
[13:51:41] <sivanov_> nope
[13:51:52] <tsoome> well, that does not compute.
[13:52:23] <sivanov_> the problem is that its solaris 11, on openindiana i get OK performance (but worse than linux)
[13:52:31] <tsoome> because default dd is async, and arc will flush writes on 30sec intervals.
[13:53:32] <tsoome> on zfs you should see lines with zeroes for about 20-25 sec and then burst writes on flush, unless you are doing sync mode writes.
[13:53:49] <sivanov_> well, under OI i just get 250MB/s dd to zfs in same configuration
[13:54:12] <sivanov_> and ok latency
[13:55:14] <sivanov_> i would not touch solaris 11 if OI gave me statisfactory numbers at iscsi
[13:55:37] <lennard> I wouldn't it OI had encryption in ZFS :)
[13:56:02] <tsoome> well.
[13:56:08] <tsoome> wanna laugh?
[13:56:11] <sivanov_> also this
[13:56:11] <tsoome> tsoome@kass:~$ /usr/gnu/bin/dd if=/dev/zero of=test.file bs=1M
[13:56:11] <tsoome> ^C28744+0 records in
[13:56:12] <tsoome> 28744+0 records out
[13:56:12] <tsoome> 30140268544 bytes (30 GB) copied, 30,0682 s, 1,0 GB/s
[13:56:46] <tsoome> this is ~7 years old W2100z with 10k RPM single uscsi disk.
[13:56:48] <tsoome> S11.
[13:57:20] <sivanov_> i guess you got some RAM
[13:57:45] <tsoome> Memory size: 3583 Megabytes
[13:57:57] <Lumb> I ran some iozone tests on T3 while ago, Solaris 10 performed considerably better than Solaris 11 for some reason. Didnt tweak anything on either install, straight out of the box and striped FC disks zpool
[13:58:00] <sivanov_> compression on?
[13:58:07] <tsoome> yes;)
[13:58:56] <tsoome> same on uncompressed mirror
[13:58:56] <tsoome> tsoome@kass:/var/tmp$ /usr/gnu/bin/dd if=/dev/zero of=test.file bs=1M
[13:58:57] <tsoome> ^C1416+0 records in
[13:58:57] <tsoome> 1416+0 records out
[13:58:57] <tsoome> 1484783616 bytes (1,5 GB) copied, 9,21254 s, 161 MB/s
[13:59:48] <tsoome> and iostat is:
[13:59:49] <tsoome> r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device
[13:59:49] <tsoome> 0,0 217,0 0,0 819,1 0,0 3,0 0,0 13,7 0 63 c5t0d0
[13:59:49] <tsoome> 0,0 212,0 0,0 785,6 0,0 2,6 0,0 12,0 0 71 c5t1d0
[14:00:02] <sivanov_> i would bring br10i from home if i had sas cable to connect the enclosure
[14:00:03] <tsoome> iostat -xn 1
[14:01:01] <sivanov_> 0.0 11.0 0.0 10260.4 0.0 10.0 0.3 906.8 0 100 c3t0d0
[14:01:01] <sivanov_> 0.0 10.0 0.0 10257.4 0.0 10.0 0.3 997.4 0 100 c3t1d0
[14:01:01] <sivanov_> 0.0 10.0 0.0 10257.5 0.0 10.0 0.2 997.7 0 100 c3t2d0
[14:01:02] <tsoome> adpu320 driver
[14:01:24] <sivanov_> :(
[14:02:08] <tsoome> so, you are doing 1025k average write
[14:02:16] <tsoome> this is what, zfs?
[14:02:22] <sivanov_> yep
[14:02:49] <tsoome> you have set cache-nonvolatile:true ?
[14:03:45] <sivanov_> yep, made it after your advice
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[14:04:33] <tsoome> what type of pool btw?
[14:05:24] <sivanov_> this time two way mirror*3
[14:05:39] <tsoome> 3 vdevs?
[14:05:57] <sivanov_> the problem is that OI also gives pretty useless iscsi performance for my task, e.g. backups of virtual machines using vmware data recovery over two GB ethernet links
[14:06:04] <sivanov_> yep, 3 vdevs
[14:06:06] <tsoome> hm, make bs 3x larger and see what will change in iostat
[14:06:29] <sivanov_> i trided raidz, same resutls
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[14:06:36] <sivanov_> *tried
[14:07:37] <sivanov_> under VMWare using RDM and multipath iscsi i get about 90MB/s linear write and 40MB/s linear read
[14:07:47] <sivanov_> from OI target
[14:08:03] <tsoome> thats quite reasonable result.
[14:08:21] <tsoome> for gigabyte network.
[14:08:28] <sivanov_> two links
[14:08:36] <sivanov_> multipath
[14:08:40] <tsoome> so?
[14:08:45] <sivanov_> roundrobin between links
[14:08:59] <sivanov_> *paths
[14:09:06] <tsoome> you are reading one package from one link and second from second one, and both are 1Gb/s
[14:09:47] <tsoome> for single stream you wont see 2Gb/s.
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[14:10:22] <tsoome> anyhow, had you chance to test with larger bs= option?
[14:10:26] <sivanov_> ppl do get that with open-e filler for example
[14:10:41] <sivanov_> but open-e costs $$$
[14:11:18] <tsoome> link?: P
[14:11:53] <sivanov_> www.open-e.com
[14:12:06] <tsoome> no, the performance link:P
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[14:12:51] <tsoome> i can believe you get both links filled with multiple reads, but single stream read, i wanna see that;)
[14:13:43] <sivanov_> roundrobin over multipath iscsi works exactly as multiple reads
[14:13:54] <sivanov_> multipath!=802.3ad
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[14:14:50] <sivanov_> http://forum.open-e.com/archive/index.php/t-1897.html
[14:15:02] <sivanov_> in one post hugor99 says
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[14:15:14] <sivanov_> "so I ran that (the lun ID was the thing that starts with eui.0000blah blah blah), setting my IOPS to 1 (from the default 1000) and got up to 225MB/s speed reading and writing sequentially. Random writes are still a bit slow, 58MB/s, but maybe this is RAID5 related.
[14:15:14] <sivanov_> "
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[14:16:01] <sivanov_> found this in search related to MaxBurstLength iscsi option
[14:17:25] <sivanov_> from (crap) Infortrend array i get 350MB/s over 4 GB ethernet links
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[14:23:35] <tsoome> btw, does this unfortunate raid of yours show when disks are doing physical io?
[14:25:27] <sivanov_> well, i tried both with controller caches on and off
[14:25:30] <sivanov_> same result
[14:26:19] <sivanov_> actually read from single-disk volume works like 20% better when i turn read cache off
[14:27:11] <tsoome> well, what about single disk pool *write* ?
[14:27:32] <sivanov_> ok now trying single disk
[14:27:47] <tsoome> as you were testing single disk dd against multiple disk pool write.
[14:29:15] <sivanov_> whoa
[14:29:16] <sivanov_> r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device
[14:29:16] <sivanov_> 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 c4t0d0
[14:29:16] <sivanov_> 3.0 132.0 1.5 77029.1 0.0 9.0 0.1 66.6 1 93 c3t0d0
[14:29:28] <tsoome> it seems they have lost my recording how to check cache-nonvolatile setting with mdb… grrr
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[14:30:27] <tsoome> 583k block per write.
[14:32:36] <tsoome> basically, i wonder if the flush bloking is actually working in your case; the single stream write on single disk seems to be quite fine, but as soon as you bring in multiple disks, the service time will go up.
[14:32:38] <sivanov_> two disks
[14:32:39] <sivanov_> r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device
[14:32:40] <sivanov_> 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 c4t0d0
[14:32:40] <sivanov_> 0.0 29.0 0.0 29702.7 0.0 10.0 0.2 344.3 1 100 c3t0d0
[14:32:40] <sivanov_> 0.0 28.0 0.0 28678.4 0.0 10.0 0.1 356.7 0 100 c3t1d0
[14:32:52] <tsoome> yep, exactly
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[14:33:22] <tsoome> what you can try is to start 2x dd test on disk and see if the effect is the same
[14:33:41] <tsoome> on 2 different disks
[14:33:45] <sivanov_> that i tested already
[14:33:49] <sivanov_> its fine
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[14:35:02] <tsoome> ah, i had sample mdb session in my mailbox:D
[14:35:36] <sivanov_> dd to two disks:
[14:35:37] <sivanov_> r/s w/s kr/s kw/s wait actv wsvc_t asvc_t %w %b device
[14:35:38] <sivanov_> 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 c4t0d0
[14:35:38] <sivanov_> 0.0 405.0 0.0 103675.5 0.0 1.0 0.0 2.4 0 97 c3t0d0
[14:35:38] <sivanov_> 0.0 406.0 0.0 103931.5 0.0 1.0 0.0 2.4 0 96 c3t1d0
[14:35:50] <tsoome> ye, definitely fine.
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[19:33:50] <omido> hi.i'm noob. is openindiana suitable for desktop usage?
[19:34:21] <viridari> omido: hey welcome
[19:34:37] <viridari> omido: to answer your question, yes, but with reservations
[19:34:48] <omido> I'm newbie and i have studied in human sciences and my computing knowledge is low
[19:34:53] <viridari> omido: there's a lot of software that is there, but there is a lot that isn't there.
[19:35:17] <viridari> omido: if you just want to do email, web surfing, general office documents, I think you'd be happy
[19:35:45] <omido> Yes thats good. i need all my hardware working . most importantly wifi and wired network
[19:35:58] <viridari> omido: the best thing to do is download the live CD image and try it out without installing to your hard disk. The performance of the CD is slow but it will at least give you a chance to see what it is capable of without making a commitment
[19:36:02] <omido> My corrent operating system is openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 with KDE 4.6.0
[19:36:20] <viridari> my Intel WiFi worked fine, as did my wired ethernet
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[19:36:30] <omido> Mine is intel too
[19:36:44] <omido> I have an iso which i downloaded few monts ago. is there a new release after that?
[19:36:57] <viridari> what is the release number on the CD?
[19:37:12] <viridari> current is 151a
[19:37:17] <viridari> you might have 148
[19:38:01] <omido> I dont exactly remember but i believe it was 14x
[19:38:05] <omido> 147 or 148
[19:38:12] <viridari> you probably want to download the latest image then
[19:38:38] <omido> My intel wifi didnt worked in that cd. also i couldnt install anything as i didnt had password and the cd was password protected(its root)
[19:38:54] <viridari> oh there is a default password
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[19:41:08] <viridari> I haven't used the live CD in awhile...
[19:41:33] <viridari> if you open a terminal and run "pfexec su -" I think that will get you a root prompt
[19:41:41] <omido> My computer is a lenovo thinkpad SL510 with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T9600 @ 2.80GHz, 4.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 532MHz, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4500 Series ,Intel Wifi bgn 100
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[19:49:37] <merzo> No new WiFi drivers were added from this time as I know
[19:49:51] <merzo> but probably I missed something
[19:51:05] <papertigers> anyone know if this fix is in OI yet? https://www.illumos.org/issues/393
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[20:07:29] <whhat> When I use 'zfs set userquota', does it take into account the data in the snapshots?
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[20:10:14] <Warod> whhat: userquota?
[20:10:55] <Warod> there's quota and refquota
[20:11:00] <whhat> Warod: yea, to set quota per user
[20:11:04] <whhat> there's also userquota
[20:12:08] <Warod> oh, haven't noticed that. :P
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[20:16:08] <omido> Is openIndiana Free and Opensource software or it contains propritary and non-free software?
[20:16:27] <_Tenchi_> omido: the former
[20:17:15] <_Tenchi_> omido: great ass bustage involved in keeping the non-free from the free separate :)
[20:17:35] <omido> So please submit it to Free software foundation so that they add it to the list of GNU recognized operating systems
[20:18:42] <Triskelios> it's not a GNU operating system
[20:18:47] <alanc> OI definitely contains proprietary & non-free software
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[20:19:02] <alanc> like nvidia's proprietary graphics driver
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[20:19:27] <_Tenchi_> ah didnt read the part of the question about proprietary
[20:19:34] <omido> Does it contain ATI's fglrx and intel's nonfree driver firmware
[20:19:35] <omido> ?
[20:19:43] <alanc> OI's software is all free-as-in-beer, not free-as-in-FSF
[20:19:58] <alanc> omido: no fglrx, since ATI never ported to the Solaris kernel
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[20:20:10] <alanc> I think Intel driver firmware is in there, but haven't checked
[20:20:13] <omido> So what should i do?
[20:20:21] <alanc> about what?
[20:20:30] <_Tenchi_> move on?
[20:20:32] <omido> i have ATI Mobility radeon hd 4500
[20:20:33] <Triskelios> omido: several free drivers have non-free firmware, yes
[20:21:12] <alanc> you should either pick an OS that has support for that, or assist the OI/illumos developers working on porting the ATI open source drivers to it
[20:21:16] <omido> well. i usually prefer to use free software when i have choice.but i dont mind using non free when there isnt a free choice
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[20:21:54] <alanc> basic 2D support should work, via the vesa driver if nothing else, but hw acceleration for 3D or video decoding or anything requires driver work
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[20:22:26] <Warod> too bad there's not even one _really_ good OS around. :(
[20:22:41] <omido> I know one but its commercial
[20:22:44] <omido> was very good for me
[20:22:51] <Warod> huh?
[20:23:01] <omido> The best OS i've ever seen
[20:23:09] <Warod> I'd like to hear more. :P
[20:23:24] <omido> Thats just my personal oppinion
[20:23:27] <omido> opinion*
[20:23:29] <Warod> still
[20:24:19] <omido> SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop
[20:24:41] <Warod> ah, but Linux kernel sucks. :(
[20:25:01] <omido> Was very good for me.best hardware detection i've ever seen.support for every propritary format.even its office suite was far more superior than the ordinary open/libre office and supported microsoft fonts and documents very well
[20:25:46] <omido> Some people may not like the fact that Novell(now attachmate) has a partnership with Microsoft and thanks to that SUSE Linux Enterprise has the best support and collapration with windows environment
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[20:26:24] <omido> You can freely download it and use 60 days of free evaluation. after that you can use it forever but for updates you have to pay
[20:26:39] <Warod> omido: well, no problem there.
[20:26:55] <Warod> omido: just that I don't like linux on desktop anyways... and the linux kernel somewhat sucks on servers
[20:27:04] <omido> Linux kernel may suck but its more secure than windows anyway
[20:27:41] <omido> i have to go
[20:27:42] <omido> bbl
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[20:28:04] <raichoo> oh boy.
[20:28:23] <Kurlon> I wouldn't go that far omido...
[20:28:23] <Warod> as a side note... windows actually has more robust security model nowdays than what linux has...
[20:28:43] <raichoo> He's gone.
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[22:21:34] <On_> Hello?
[22:23:02] <On_> Allow me to introduce myself, I recently set up a home NAS with Open Indiana, and love it.
[22:23:33] <On_> The problem came in that I don't have a good unified user directory to serve out files over both UNIX and CIFS
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[22:24:01] <On_> So I compiled Samba4 to take care of that for me in a zone
[22:24:08] <On_> So far, so good.
[22:24:24] <On_> In fact I got Samba4 to compile and for the most part start up correctly.
[22:24:46] <On_> The problem now comes in setting up Bind to work with Samba4
[22:25:17] <On_> Again, I had to compile a Bind 9.8.1, which happened just fine. It even serves domains well.
[22:25:46] <raichoo> Hi On_
[22:26:06] <On_> The problem comes in when I try to mix Bind and Samba, when I try to dynamically load the samba dynamic dns library in Bind.
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[22:29:22] <On__> sorry about that, disconnected
[22:29:30] <On__> raichoo, still here?
[22:29:41] <raichoo> Yes
[22:29:48] <On__> where did I cut off in my story?
[22:30:00] <raichoo> 22:26 < On_> The problem comes in when I try to mix Bind and Samba, when I try to dynamically load the samba dynamic dns library in Bind.
[22:30:19] <On__> Yep, that was it
[22:30:22] <On__> thanks
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[22:30:48] <On__> ? Ping timeout again?
[22:30:56] <On__> oh, that was my first session
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[22:31:45] <Wraithhh> On__, Was there some error message it threw at you?
[22:31:50] <On__> Segfault
[22:32:19] <On__> are URLs allowed? I can point to the bug listing I created with Samba team...
[22:32:29] <Wraithhh> Sure
[22:32:47] <On__> https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8765
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[22:34:12] <tsoome> btw in solaris the krb5.conf is in /etc/krb5 …. :P
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[22:34:55] <On__> Yes, I've tried with that native conf also
[22:35:11] <tsoome> well, as you can see from that truss, its opening both
[22:35:27] <tsoome> also, pstack core would be helpful.
[22:35:29] <On__> Yep, in fact it is opening three
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[22:36:03] <On__> adding pstack to bugzilla, I'll let you know when it is done..
[22:36:12] <tsoome> its trying top open 3, but there is none in samba directory
[22:37:36] <On__> pstack added
[22:38:45] <On__> I've added the one that samba created to the /etc/krb5/krb5.conf...
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[22:39:45] <tsoome> open("/dev/urandom", O_WRONLY) Err#13 EACCES
[22:40:07] <tsoome> that sounds like wrong for me.
[22:40:34] <tsoome> where it will get its random data for session keys etc?
[22:41:04] <On__> oh man
[22:41:10] <On__> okay
[22:41:29] <On__> dev urandom exists, and I'm starting named as root which should be able to read from it
[22:42:03] <tsoome> sys_devices privilege?
[22:42:13] <tsoome> its global or local zone?
[22:42:19] <On__> local zone
[22:42:39] <On__> where can I check it for sure?
[22:43:32] <tsoome> can you read /dev/urandom as normal user?
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[22:44:02] <On__> yes
[22:45:14] <tsoome> ppriv core ?
[22:46:25] <On__> hmmm, from the pstack it looks like the issue might be with openssl
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[22:48:10] <On__> tsoome, got the ppriv, how would you like it? Anything in particular you are looking for in it? I could put it up on the samba bug page...
[22:48:24] <tsoome> probably because of urandom issue.
[22:49:17] <tsoome> well, i was thinking about ppriv because in your truss session that error hints about missing sys_devices
[22:49:49] <On__> it gave a pretty healthy output from what I can see
[22:50:31] <tsoome> basic for all except L ?
[22:50:52] <On__> only basic was I
[22:51:06] <On__> all the rest are filled with entriees
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[22:53:46] <tsoome> basically the question is, if its related to local zone or if the code dropping privilege… what is pcred core telling?
[22:54:54] <On__> core of 4764: e/r/suid=0 e/r/sgid=0
[22:55:06] <On__> groups: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 12
[22:55:11] <On__> EOF
[22:56:09] <tsoome> funny:P
[22:56:50] <tsoome> btw, if you have full trusss session, you can check if its the first attempt to open urandom
[22:57:07] <On__> how?
[22:57:19] <tsoome> grep urandom truss.txt ;)
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[23:00:11] <On__> only one hit
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[23:00:39] <On__> and that is running with -f
[23:01:24] <tsoome> oh wait
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[23:01:43] <tsoome> open("/dev/urandom", O_WRONLY) why on earth its doing this...
[23:01:52] <tsoome> ofc that will fail...
[23:02:31] <tsoome> well, urandom is writeable for root, but, still why...
[23:02:38] <On__> oh
[23:02:41] <On__> I see
[23:03:21] <On__> yeah, that is very wierd
[23:03:27] <tsoome> I wonder what happens if you run it in global zone
[23:04:14] <On__> can't, running cifs in global
[23:04:55] <tsoome> ah, you can write to *random to add entropy
[23:05:21] <tsoome> what happens if you try to write someting into urandom ?
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[23:06:50] <tsoome> local zone blocks that write. at least in s11
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[23:07:25] <On__> yep
[23:07:32] <On__> permission denied
[23:07:40] <On__> even as root
[23:08:04] <tsoome> you can try to add sys_devices to zone privilege set (with zonezfg)
[23:08:56] <On__> okay... trying now
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[23:21:05] <On__> no change
[23:21:20] <On__> set limitpriv="default,sys_devices"
[23:21:27] <On__> ?
[23:21:27] <tsoome> can you write manually now?
[23:21:31] <On__> no
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[23:22:02] <On__> do I need to restart zone?
[23:22:13] <tsoome> yes
[23:22:21] <On__> okay
[23:22:32] <tsoome> zonecfg wont apply config on live zone.
[23:24:21] <On__> privilege "sys_devices" is not permitted within the zone's privilege set
[23:24:52] <On__> ah, good
[23:25:40] <On__> I'm ambiguous on what that error message means
[23:25:45] <Meths> Can virtualbox not use partitions outside the host OS?
[23:26:07] <tsoome> well, then the interesting bit is if urandom write is from samba source and can have an workaround or if its from some system lib
[23:26:29] <tsoome> (and if the actual core is related to urandom)
[23:27:02] <On__> well, it could be
[23:27:20] <On__> if it didn't catch the error it could apply the pointer it got anyway
[23:28:07] <tsoome> yep, that would require some digging in samba source.
[23:29:04] <On__> sounds fun, I'll grep for urandom in the source code
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[23:31:34] <Triskelios> On__: why was the native CIFS service unsuitable? I might be able to help with, but I'll steer clear of Samba...
[23:31:47] <On__> I'll accept
[23:32:05] <On__> I'm trying to serve both NFS and CIFS, so I need a unified user directory
[23:32:18] <tsoome> you can do that just fine
[23:32:26] <On__> I'd be happy with simply OpenDJ, but not NIS
[23:33:16] <On__> what do y'all suggest?
[23:33:25] <Triskelios> LDAP should work fine
[23:33:47] <On__> btw, samba code doesn't open urandom for writing
[23:33:48] <tsoome> you dont need ldap/nis for serving files;)
[23:34:06] <On__> really, so OpenDJ would have worked this whole time?
[23:34:19] <Triskelios> the only hitch is authentication, since you'd have to sync the local SMB hashes
[23:34:47] <On__> ah, that's where I've been before
[23:34:53] <tsoome> On__: actually it does
[23:35:03] <On__> ?
[23:35:07] <tsoome> what kerberos are you using there?
[23:35:09] <On__> My grep only showed read only
[23:35:20] <tsoome> simple grep yep
[23:35:22] <On__> I have whatever comes default on oi
[23:35:29] <tsoome> source4/heimdal/lib/hcrypto/rand-unix.c
[23:35:40] <On__> ahhhh
[23:35:48] <tsoome> there it opens it for write
[23:36:27] <On__> I haven't technically set up kerberos yet on the image, I expressly said there was no kerberos realm in the zone setup
[23:37:09] <On__> oh, thats right, the other reason I didn't do OpenDJ, but it is kind of moot
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[23:37:26] <On__> I want to authenticate the windows users directly, without pgina
[23:37:44] <On__> but then again pgina might be fine enough, then I can avoid windows7 pro
[23:38:00] <tsoome> pgina?
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[23:38:13] <On__> so windows can directly authenticate to ldap
[23:38:18] <On__> its the only way I know.
[23:38:44] <tsoome> you have AD?
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[23:38:56] <On__> Nope, right now there is no central authentication
[23:39:21] <Triskelios> yeah... the options are basically AD or local passwords
[23:39:26] <tsoome> so your server is just in workgroup mode?
[23:39:31] <Triskelios> but you can literally populate the local smbpasswd file from a LDAP dump
[23:39:36] <On__> Yes, open guest mode actually
[23:39:56] <tsoome> well, then you dont need any users for cifs
[23:40:13] <richlowe> if you want open guest mode you're using samba, also.
[23:40:13] <On__> I get permissions issues between unix and windows
[23:40:41] <On__> even in wide open guest mode, and wide open rwx
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[23:41:52] <tsoome> you mean the nfs users cant read/write files created from cifs?
[23:42:15] <On__> yep
[23:42:39] <Triskelios> most likely some clients are creating files with more restrictive ACLs
[23:42:55] <Triskelios> debugging that is kind of a pain, though
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[23:43:35] <tsoome> /bin/ls -V will help somewhat
[23:43:49] <On__> yeah, all I need is a unified user map
[23:44:11] <tsoome> well, guest mode has no idea about windows user.
[23:44:23] <On__> so it sets as nobody?
[23:44:32] <tsoome> yep
[23:44:32] <On__> makes sense, the UID is incredibly high
[23:44:50] <Triskelios> that's an emphemeral UID/GID
[23:45:00] <Triskelios> when you don't have a permanent mapping to a Unix user
[23:45:34] <Triskelios> you can map the CIFS guest user to nobody, and make NFS use auth_none
[23:45:37] <Triskelios> everyone gets "nobody"
[23:46:11] <tsoome> and solaris cifs is using ACL's for permissions, so what you need is to create default acl equivalent to 000 mask
[23:46:14] <Triskelios> no permissions problems (I hope!), but no security :)
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[23:47:22] <On__> its probably just fine to do OpenDJ
[23:47:43] <On__> at worse the drive mappings will cache the credentials for each login
[23:48:16] <Triskelios> sure, just be aware that you need to copy the password hashes to smbpasswd locally for the CIFS server
[23:48:35] <On__> like cron often?
[23:48:50] <tsoome> and for group share you still need to deal with acl;)
[23:49:01] <Triskelios> yes, that will work
[23:49:05] <On__> I can turn off group if this works well enough
[23:51:31] <On__> is there more info on creating the smbpasswd file?
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[23:51:55] <On__> I'm not scared of grepping out ldap queries, but I'm adverse to lots of work
[23:52:01] <On__> figuring it all out
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[23:56:48] <tsoome> btw that samba code bit is actually checking return codes fine so probably is the cause somewhere else...
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