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[05:40:02] <Asad2005> i have a pool of 4 disk and now one fail and became degraded. Would it be possible to convert it to 3 disk since the total used space can be accommodated ? i mean without transferring data to somewhere else and then copying it back ?
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[05:55:16] <kdavyd> Asad2005, no, you cannot
[05:55:44] <kdavyd> But you can keep it in degraded state for as long as you like, if it's a raidz2
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[07:52:28] <timclassic> yes
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[07:56:34] <liberal> that was wonderfully random
[07:57:04] <liberal> s/wonderfully\s//
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[08:18:49] <Thorbjorn> Hi! What fs uses openindiana
[08:19:13] <tsoome> try to guess?
[08:19:25] <Thorbjorn> filsystem ;-)
[08:19:54] <tsoome> that does not compute;)
[08:20:05] <Thorbjorn> tsoome: zfs or ext4
[08:21:09] <tsoome> half of that guess is correct)
[08:21:12] <tsoome> ;)
[08:21:48] <liberal> i bet the correct part is the ext4 one!
[08:21:53] * liberal runs
[08:22:12] <tsoome> :D
[08:22:14] <Thorbjorn> ;/
[08:22:17] <Thorbjorn> Thanks
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[08:22:31] <tsoome> look what you did:)
[08:23:10] <liberal> i hope he doesn't really think it's ext4
[08:23:15] <liberal> lol
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[09:19:21] <Thorbjorn> Hi! How i can install gimp in OI?
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[09:25:15] <Worsoe> Thorbjorn: from the console: pkg install gimp
[09:26:28] <Thorbjorn> ;-)
[09:26:45] <Thorbjorn> Worsoe: and how i can run binary files from linux?
[09:27:08] <tsoome> install linux.
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[09:27:29] <Thorbjorn> Cant
[09:27:39] <Worsoe> Thorbjorn: you have to run a lx bandz or in a virtualbox
[09:27:42] <Thorbjorn> So nvm. Thanks so much!
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[09:36:19] <Agnar> or a kvm...+
[09:44:54] <sivanov_> do you people get wirespeed when using iscsi target or times less?
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[10:02:50] <RoyK> hi all. this server suddenly started behaving rather sadly
[10:03:22] <RoyK> from network-smb-server\:default.log:
[10:03:22] <RoyK> [ Aug 8 09:15:39 Method or service exit timed out. Killing contract 6616. ]
[10:03:23] <_Tenchi_> sunspots?
[10:03:33] <_Tenchi_> increase solar activity being a bitch lately
[10:04:09] <RoyK> erm
[10:04:10] <RoyK> not that
[10:04:13] <RoyK> smbd: can't resolve name"", node name or service name not known
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[10:34:05] <tabasko> hmm, where I can get pymysql? :/
[10:34:35] <tabasko> I tried using opencsw repo, but all I get from there is document file
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[10:34:52] <tabasko> this one: http://www.opencsw.org/packages/pymysql/
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[11:10:08] <ironmunk> anyone have best practice block sizes for MS SQL iscsi datasets?
[11:10:17] <ironmunk> I can't seem to find anything definitive
[11:14:15] <tsoome> can they define database block size?
[11:14:45] <tsoome> inside mssql db, I mean.
[11:15:02] <ironmunk> this is the block size of the exported iscsi dataset
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[11:16:12] <tsoome> yes i understand what you were asking;)
[11:16:15] <tsoome> http://netic.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/microsoft-sql-server-performance-tunning/
[11:17:30] <tsoome> dont know how fresh it is, but in that doc they do suggest to go with largest blocks, so for data, at least 64k, maybe even 128k at iscsi backend
[11:17:53] <tsoome> depends how much is random io versus sequential.
[11:18:52] <ironmunk> yeah
[11:18:55] <tsoome> for log devices, now thats an good one....
[11:19:15] <ironmunk> I've heard things about separate transaction log partition as well
[11:19:19] <ironmunk> maybe with a smaller block size
[11:19:39] <ironmunk> we have really good ZIL's so should be no problem with random io
[11:20:13] <tsoome> well, those block sizes impact direct filesystem performance, but as the rule of the thumb, for back end you may wanna use large blocks
[11:21:09] <tsoome> the thing is, small blocks will force backend to do lots of physical IO and in ideal world, thats something you wanna avoid
[11:21:51] <tsoome> i wouldnt go for 4k in backend for log, maybe default 8k.
[11:22:54] <tsoome> but it really depends how the DB is behaving, perhaps some tests will show.
[11:26:35] <tsoome> as you have slog, the sync mode write performance should be not so big issue, and with larger blocks at backend, your system can make cache to work more efficient, but from another hand, massive random read can also trash it somewhat...
[11:32:47] <ironmunk> yeah
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[12:19:19] <trentster> How do I find the model number of a sas controller in a remote openindiana box?
[12:20:44] <Warod> some controllers show it with just cfgadm -av
[12:21:11] <Warod> if not, you can try to find it from prtconf
[12:21:28] <Warod> prtconf -vvv tells you everything... typically something like 5k to 10k lines of shit
[12:24:38] <trentster> wow...
[12:24:43] <trentster> Warod: thanks
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[12:54:03] <mui> hmm
[12:54:20] <mui> I've been trying to kick ucarp to get mac address properly using dlpi
[12:54:54] <mui> and I've got basics going, code fetches hwaddr fine and returns it to ucarp
[12:55:02] <mui> but somewhy its different than it should be (:
[12:56:02] <mui> example dlpi hwaddr fetch shows addr like this
[12:56:08] <mui> dlpi: 782bcb743d0b
[12:56:31] <mui> and ucarp determines that address (which is correct) is more likely;
[12:56:32] <mui> Local advertised ethernet address is [37:38:32:62:63:62]
[12:57:05] <mui> I guess theres just something trivial and silly going on
[12:59:18] <trentster> Warod: the closest I can find with prtconf -vvv is this "LSI SAS x28" which does not give me the crad model number….any other ideas?
[13:02:33] <|woody|> mui I think this patch is still valid: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/gar/browser/csw/mgar/pkg/ucarp/trunk/files/0001-Solaris-hacks.patch
[13:05:07] <|woody|> I might be wrong though :) I did not test it. And well it's for solaris 9/10
[13:06:48] <mui> yeah, thats not relevant on nowadays
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[13:06:53] <mui> problem is fetching the mac address
[13:14:32] <mui> ffs
[13:14:34] <mui> figured it out
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[13:42:08] <sivanov_> can i install OI ona GPT disk?
[13:42:57] <tsoome> no
[13:43:41] <sivanov_> too bad
[13:44:31] <sivanov_> i'm trying to make backup server, giving LUNs over iscsi to vmware data recovery virtual machine
[13:44:45] <sivanov_> windows 2k8r2 sucked most
[13:45:21] <sivanov_> centos 6.2 sucks currently @ 90MB/s write/40MB/s read
[13:45:49] <sivanov_> solaris 11 has bad aac driver
[13:45:52] <tsoome> you have huge boot disk?
[13:46:01] <tsoome> or why you need GPT?
[13:46:50] <sivanov_> do not want to make another logical volume on the serveraid 8k, afraiding of alignment problems
[13:47:59] <sivanov_> heh, i have spare ibm br10i at home, but no cable to connect it to the backplane
[13:48:32] <sivanov_> also, no room in the ibm server for a system drive
[13:49:20] <tsoome> bad aac?
[13:49:58] <sivanov_> very big latency accessing the raid volume in solaris 11
[13:50:10] <sivanov_> much better in OI
[13:50:19] <tsoome> i see
[13:51:08] <sivanov_> also, damn server manager tools do not work with current solaris
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[13:53:29] <sivanov_> iscsi target in centos breaks big 1MB IOs to 250 4K IOs
[13:53:35] <sivanov_> also no good
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[13:57:14] <sivanov_> is there any paramater tuning possible in solaris iscsi target?
[13:57:28] <sivanov_> like data segment lengths
[13:57:29] <tsoome> what kind of tuning?
[13:59:00] <tsoome> only options are for stmfadm create-lu afaik.
[13:59:09] <sivanov_> for example MaxXmitDataSegmentLength, MaxBurstLength
[14:09:32] <tsoome> dont think there is, but … use the source, luke;9
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[14:13:01] <sivanov_> also i get only 132MB/s write speed and in centos i get 300MB/s on the same raid5 volume
[14:14:29] <sivanov_> i dont think i can use aac since 2007 which IBM distributes in openindiana
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[14:42:44] <sivanov_> trying to install adaptec's driver for solaris 11 into OI..
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[18:00:16] <hramrach_> hello
[18:02:41] <hramrach_> why would you install openindiana except for having the most obscure system on the block?
[18:03:00] <hramrach_> 'enterprise system' does not say much
[18:03:14] <Kurlon> You get the best ZFS support of the open source options for starters
[18:03:19] <hramrach_> anything except android and symbian is 'enterprise system'
[18:03:35] <Triskelios> http://openindiana.org/support/documentation/
[18:03:36] <hramrach_> hmm, ZFS
[18:03:51] <bens1> hramrach_: Have you considered SmartOS?
[18:04:48] <Warod> hramrach_: try MenuetOS
[18:06:31] <hramrach_> I tried this one http://openindiana.org/home/mission-statement/ and it had somewhat less infrmation ;-)
[18:06:34] <bens1> Warod: my suggestion was serious
[18:06:54] <Warod> mine was serial
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[18:16:09] <RoyK> hramrach_: I really don't see what's so obscure about oi...
[18:17:05] <hramrach_> don't know anyone running it :p
[18:18:22] <hramrach_> hmm, smartos is even less documented than oi
[18:18:45] <hramrach_> blagh, blog documentation
[18:20:41] <hramrach_> the wiki is much better but blog is suggested first :-s
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[18:30:56] <Krazypoloc> Hey guys
[18:30:58] <Krazypoloc> http://pastebin.com/dhmm02Gu
[18:31:28] <Krazypoloc> Having an issue with kerberos auth....it has been working for 5 months and I just did an update to napp-it
[18:32:04] <Krazypoloc> AFter updating and rebooting the machine SMB is no longer working with Kerberos
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[18:36:57] <hramrach_> hmm, actually SmartOS has some explanation of the features oi is supposed to include
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[18:37:01] <hramrach_> thanks for the links
[18:38:04] * viridari writes blog documentation :-p
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[18:38:27] <viridari> your doc patches are gladly accepted
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[18:40:18] <Woodstock> hm. is there a package that provides the fortune program? (didn't find one)
[18:40:51] <phil_> pkg search fortune ?
[18:44:54] <Woodstock> thats what i did
[18:47:50] <phil_> and did you see any results that appear to be the fortune you're looking for ?
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[18:50:56] <Woodstock> no, thats what i said :)
[18:51:25] <phil_> right, but you didnt say how you were looking for it
[18:52:12] <Woodstock> right :)
[18:53:40] <viridari> Woodstock: please file a feature request for that package. I'm looking for simple things to start packaging that are missing so I can get to know the packaging system and submission process.
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[19:07:53] <Woodstock> viridari: https://www.illumos.org/issues/2157
[19:07:55] <Woodstock> viridari: there you go
[19:11:31] <hramrach_> hmm, dtrace looks interesting. somebody figured that adding random printk()s is not the way to debug everything
[19:14:37] <raichoo> hramrach_: DTrace is amazing.
[19:14:56] <raichoo> It can do way more than just kernel tracing :)
[19:17:00] <raichoo> hramrach_: Did you watch the "DTrace Review" by bcantrill? It's up on youtube
[19:17:23] <viridari> Woodstock: thank you
[19:20:08] <viridari> Woodstock: I don't have access yet to "own" that issue but I'm watching it and have registered my intent to work on this in the comments.
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[20:35:04] <hramrach_> raichoo: I prefer non-youtube reviews but maybe I will look. yt wfm atm
[20:39:45] <raichoo> hramrach_: It's a recording of a tech talk at google.
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[20:51:56] <RoyK> hramrach_: for the record, I have some 350TB on various OI installations, and it's stable and fine
[20:52:04] <RoyK> just don't use WD drives
[20:52:48] <Krazypoloc> WHy don't use WD drives?
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[20:53:05] <richlowe> because RoyK is paranoid in the extreme
[20:53:06] <Guy-> because WD intentionally disables the SATA command to set TLER
[20:53:11] <RoyK> Krazypoloc: because they suck :P
[20:53:18] <RoyK> richlowe: no, I'm not paranoid
[20:53:30] <Krazypoloc> Even on their enterprise drives?
[20:53:39] <Guy-> (except on 'raid edition' drives that are considerably more expensive, with the only difference to desktop drives being support for the full SATA command set)
[20:53:50] <RoyK> richlowe: I've lost too many WD Black drives, and I know nexenta never has supported anything from WD, which are two reasons to stay away
[20:54:09] <RoyK> richlowe: and even though blacks aren't "enterprise", that shouldn't mean they should fail, REALLY
[20:54:09] <Guy-> the TLER thing is a perfectly valid technical reason imo
[20:54:11] <Krazypoloc> Well I'm running RE4 drives and they are fine
[20:54:27] <richlowe> everyone has the one brand of drive they're convinced fail more often and harder
[20:54:37] <RoyK> Guy-: TLER is a thing to make them fail faster in case of errors - ours failed far too quickly as it was
[20:54:47] <Krazypoloc> Yes...and we all know and love Maxtor
[20:54:48] <Krazypoloc> :)
[20:54:49] <richlowe> and with the exception of people like relling, they utterly lack the scope of data to make that claim.
[20:54:56] <richlowe> (and I bet Richard lacks it, too, these days)
[20:55:05] <Guy-> RoyK: yes and no - it doesn't make the drive fail, it just makes it return errors sooner
[20:55:05] <richlowe> but at the time I talked to him, he had years and years and years of Sun failures to make such claims with.
[20:55:34] <richlowe> and also, not coincidentally, a reticence to try.
[20:55:34] <RoyK> richlowe: It was only 2x100+14TB net storage - two pools died
[20:55:35] <Krazypoloc> Its still very subjective....
[20:55:40] <Guy-> (which is a good thing if you have redundancy)
[20:55:47] <RoyK> richlowe: that was with raidz2 and pretty small vdevs
[20:55:50] <Krazypoloc> Unless you have a LOT of data to do some metrics
[20:56:42] <RoyK> richlowe: so no, I'm not paranoid, I'm being followed by bad WD drives :þ
[20:57:01] <RoyK> Krazypoloc: imho 170 drives is rather a lot
[20:57:24] <Krazypoloc> True, but compared to what?
[20:57:45] <Krazypoloc> Did you have an equal ammount of drives from another brand running doing the EXACT same thing?
[20:57:48] <RoyK> Krazypoloc: I don't care - do the comparison yourself if you don't trust my opinions - it's up to you :)
[20:58:30] <Krazypoloc> Not saying I don't trust you....its just hard to make a case that is 100% objective
[20:58:40] <Krazypoloc> Without hard data
[20:59:02] <RoyK> nothing is objective
[20:59:05] <patdk-wk> the issue is
[20:59:18] <patdk-wk> the case changes, everytime they change the way they make the drives
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[20:59:22] <patdk-wk> so every 3months or so?
[20:59:27] <patdk-wk> we have to re-compare them all
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[21:00:44] <RoyK> Krazypoloc: and I've never intended be "objective", but this test did show that drives of different drives with only one thing in common, WD, gave us numerous i/o errors when connected to LSI 3081/3801 over an LSI SAS expander, also with LSI 92xx, and Hitachi drives do not show that
[21:01:24] <RoyK> Krazypoloc: and since the diversity of WD drives was ok, IMHO, I blame WD for the shite and stopped using them
[21:01:31] <patdk-wk> next years hitachi drives? :)
[21:01:40] <Krazypoloc> Sounds like a good enough reason to me :)
[21:01:57] <RoyK> Krazypoloc: that I later learned that nexenta doesn't support WD came as a small bonus on top of that
[21:02:03] <Krazypoloc> I'll likely be going Hitachi when I build my home ZFS box next year
[21:02:22] * RoyK uses linux for his home server
[21:02:24] <Krazypoloc> Ahh didn't know that....probably for good reason
[21:02:28] <RoyK> swearing in church, I know...
[21:02:37] <Krazypoloc> Yeah...
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[21:03:00] <Krazypoloc> Well I've been looking at Illuminos...or whetever the hell its called....we will see how it progesses
[21:03:15] <kdavyd> FYI - Hitachi SATA can still have issues behind an expander. They are just much less frequent or noticeable
[21:03:21] <Krazypoloc> OI is just not polished enough yet for me to have it at home....
[21:03:42] <Krazypoloc> Its good at data storage...and thats about it...
[21:03:53] <Meths> Krazypoloc: Which spit and polish is missing and have you filed bugs for it?
[21:04:48] <Krazypoloc> Lots of stuff....took me several hours just to get kerberos auth working....and thats following step by step man's
[21:05:13] <Krazypoloc> Link aggro, static IP's...its all just kinda klunky still IMO
[21:05:38] <patdk-wk> hmm, those seem simple for me
[21:05:44] <patdk-wk> but I only used the cli
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[21:05:57] <Krazypoloc> As do I
[21:06:21] <Krazypoloc> I'm not using "ifconfig" for the network setup...using the default network manager
[21:06:41] <patdk-wk> I can't use network manager
[21:06:47] <Krazypoloc> which is nice once you figure out how to use it...but its not simple
[21:06:48] <patdk-wk> my setup is way too complex for that, even at home
[21:07:19] <Krazypoloc> Yeah your the one with 3 aggro's and 4 vlan's or whatever
[21:07:20] <Krazypoloc> :)
[21:07:38] <patdk-wk> well, at home, it's only 2 aggro's and 8 vlans
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[21:08:08] <patdk-wk> only 3 vlans currently on the oi machine though
[21:08:37] <Krazypoloc> Yeah....I can't imagine a reason for a home network to have 8 vlans....unless its your lab or something
[21:08:43] <Kurlon> Anyone have guides/pointers to scripting SCU?
[21:08:56] <Kurlon> The docs mention it can be done but don't give any details.
[21:09:04] <patdk-wk> Krazypoloc, well, Ido lab a lot of stuff
[21:09:10] <patdk-wk> but that is only like 1 or 2 vlans
[21:10:38] <patdk-wk> but basically, my business stuff, my wife + kids, guest net, brother, jumboframe net, internet, and lab stuff
[21:11:15] <Krazypoloc> Wow...thats crazy that you segment EVERYTHING
[21:11:16] <patdk-wk> oh, besides normal vlan 1 and 2, admin net, and voip net
[21:11:46] <patdk-wk> hmm, well, I have to keep people seperate
[21:11:53] <patdk-wk> freaking wife + kids + brother = virus hell
[21:12:04] <patdk-wk> atleast they can't affect each other, or my stuff :)
[21:12:16] <Krazypoloc> Haha
[21:12:19] <patdk-wk> but still
[21:12:24] <Krazypoloc> Yeah sounds about right
[21:12:32] <patdk-wk> wife+kids = 12+ devices
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[21:13:02] <patdk-wk> business stuff, about 20 things
[21:13:10] <patdk-wk> it's, not like I have 2-3 devices per net
[21:13:55] <Krazypoloc> Ahh ok
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[21:17:24] <samu> small question
[21:17:29] <samu> anybody played with KVM on openindiana?
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[21:17:55] <samu> I am particulary interested in KVM+KMS on OI
[21:18:11] <samu> and if it is supported.
[21:19:40] <samu> sorry, KSM
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[21:38:22] <P|D> hello folks
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[21:39:14] <P|D> is mui around? how did he fix carp compilation issue on current OI?
[21:39:22] <P|D> *carp => ucarp
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[21:52:33] <RoyK> ksm?
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[22:03:33] <patdk-wk> no, there is no ksm
[22:03:48] <patdk-wk> and normally, ksm give very little savings
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[23:36:47] <e1kg> hi, how to get ldap support for wine(1.4-rc4)? the header of openldap has be found by configure scripts and ldap functions are missing (ldap_*)
[23:38:05] <tsoome> are they really missing (to be installed by you), or configure script fails to use them?
[23:39:48] <e1kg> i am not sure, but i have installed openldap from /dev
[23:40:28] <tsoome> so check config.log
[23:41:55] <e1kg> tsoome: thank you, do it now;)
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[23:48:21] <myrkraverk> What is the best way to have a script/set of commands run every time I log in to X? Preferably no matter which GUI I choose from the menu.
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[23:58:40] <e1kg> i have added "-lldap_r-2.4 -lldap" to $LDFLAGS, and check are passed "mostly"
[23:59:33] <Triskelios> myrkraverk: /etc/gdm/Xsession suggests ~/.xprofile
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