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[00:41:25] <Quadrant> good morning indiana
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[00:43:49] <Quadrant> has anybody been talking about adding solaris cluster / openha to oi?
[00:44:08] <viridari> HA is so 1990's
[00:44:28] <Quadrant> i just want shared storage failover
[00:44:48] <viridari> lump failover in with HA
[00:45:03] <viridari> here you go
[00:45:04] <viridari> http://www.gluster.org/
[00:45:45] <Quadrant> that's some linux crap.
[00:46:09] <viridari> if you say so
[00:46:18] <Quadrant> i crashed someones drbd yesterday
[00:46:29] <viridari> dismiss it to your own detriment
[00:47:24] <viridari> http://gluster.org/community/documentation//index.php/Gluster_3.1:_Installing_GlusterFS_on_Solaris
[00:48:05] <Quadrant> hmm
[00:50:06] <Quadrant> well thanks, ill check it out
[00:52:09] <viridari> cluster FS beats HA hands down
[00:52:18] <viridari> there is nothing to fail over. you just have more or less capacity.
[00:54:18] <Quadrant> this looks like AFS.
[00:54:37] <Quadrant> but at a block level
[00:54:54] <viridari> no kerberos to mess with
[00:55:11] <Quadrant> so bascially you need n*2 storage with replication
[00:55:36] <viridari> well you can be as paranoid as you want with it
[00:55:56] <Quadrant> can you share dual ported disks?
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[01:00:18] <Warod> what do you feed glusterFS with on solaris?
[01:00:24] <Warod> zvols?
[01:02:24] <Quadrant> i dont really like the glusterfs architecture. FUSE? that would make things kind of slow.
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[01:04:01] <Warod> where is the architecture described?
[01:06:03] <Warod> All I'd need, is proper HA support for ZFS. :S
[01:06:30] <Warod> two node cluster with non-shared physical storage.
[01:06:47] <Warod> I mean.. how hard can it be?! :P
[01:07:34] <RoyK> lol
[01:07:34] <Quadrant> i use napp-it
[01:07:46] <Quadrant> i think it said you need opensolaris 2009.06 for HA
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[01:08:18] <Quadrant> but theres oracle cluster for solaris 11 now
[01:08:38] <RoyK> probably not very cheap, though
[01:09:03] <Quadrant> probably not. so you need older sas controller that works with osol 2009.06
[01:09:13] <Quadrant> that was the problem i ran into
[01:09:30] <Quadrant> or backport the driver
[01:10:13] <Warod> but isn't it dualport SAS drives and shared backend storage if you do HA on osol?
[01:11:38] <viridari> the "HA" on Solaris 11 requires a failover duration of ~30s during which time your NFS mounts go tits-up
[01:11:51] <nords> just a note, there is no glusterfs support on OI: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.os.openindiana.general/5785
[01:11:59] <Warod> I thought about a patch that would require ZIL to be written to another cluster node over rdma or network before returning... on fast low latency network it might even work.
[01:12:29] <Quadrant> warod, you dont want shared backend storage.. so you want to mirror over the network?
[01:12:40] <Quadrant> replicate i mean
[01:12:43] <Warod> Quadrant: yeah
[01:12:55] <Warod> the ZIL patch would be *quite* simple
[01:13:10] <Robbie_Crash> I'm very confused about a problem I'm having. I have a directory /Data/Home/Emma, the permissions in both ls and /usr/bin/ls state that the user emma has full permissions, group has read, everyone else is denied all. This directory is shared via AFP. When emma tries to access the dir, /var/adm/messages logs get_nfsv4_acl(path): permission denied. However, when I connect as myself, no
[01:13:10] <Robbie_Crash> problem.
[01:13:45] <Robbie_Crash> Wait, I'm lying.
[01:13:50] <Warod> and it'd give you a 2 nodes with completely same atomic state zpools on them
[01:14:05] <Robbie_Crash> When emma connects, she gets that message logged for all AFP shares
[01:14:19] <Robbie_Crash> when I connect, I get all the ones that I should.
[01:14:30] <Warod> it'd need locking ofc.. you could only use one node at a time to keep the setup simple.
[01:15:04] <Quadrant> warod: dealing with when one node goes down
[01:15:09] <Quadrant> or they arent connected to each other
[01:15:44] <Quadrant> I think shared storage is a lot cheaper
[01:16:07] <Quadrant> even though it sucks you have to get external sas cabling
[01:16:27] <Warod> cabling is not the issue
[01:16:36] <Quadrant> two sites?
[01:16:48] <Warod> that too, yes
[01:17:09] <Quadrant> i'd just be doing backup snapshots if it was offsite
[01:17:36] <Warod> I'd like to have transparent failover.
[01:17:42] <Warod> eg, no service downtime
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[01:18:20] <Quadrant> so maybe fibre channel or hardware iscsi target
[01:18:27] <Warod> iscsi sucks
[01:19:03] <Quadrant> http://code.google.com/p/zxfer/
[01:20:24] <Quadrant> I dont think live replication over a wan link is viable
[01:20:26] <Quadrant> even if it is fast
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[01:22:49] <Warod> Quadrant: eh?
[01:23:02] <Warod> Quadrant: I don't see a problem with 10GE DWDM there.. :P
[01:23:17] <Quadrant> http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+avs/WebHome
[01:23:39] <Quadrant> avs can do it
[01:24:22] <Meths> You can mirror over iscsi - but yeah it's not fantastic, doesn't have particularly clean failure modes IME.
[01:24:37] <Warod> Meths: eah
[01:24:38] <Warod> yeah
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[01:24:48] <Warod> Meths: that's the problem with iscsi.
[01:25:07] <Warod> Meths: we used iscsi with linux initiators.. and THAT sucked.
[01:25:30] <Warod> Meths: changed on NFS and all the problems went away. :P
[01:25:44] <Warod> and performance is better
[01:25:52] <Meths> Centralised though?
[01:26:13] <Warod> huh?
[01:26:44] <Warod> OI target -> Linux initiators
[01:26:53] <Meths> When you swtiched to NFS are you still able to mirror or did you never mirror over iscsi and just switched from one centralised to another?
[01:27:14] <Warod> currently we don't do live mirroring
[01:27:21] <Warod> periodic zfs sends
[01:27:46] <Warod> but the problem is, I cannot turn mounts on the other box as NFS handles go bad
[01:27:53] <Warod> so...
[01:28:28] <mui> and using noac?
[01:29:38] <Warod> would it work on this though?
[01:30:25] <Warod> and the other problem is that the files cannot change that much on switch over...
[01:30:55] <mui> make sure you use noac flags on client
[01:30:59] <mui> that can confuse during failover
[01:31:05] <mui> and hard mount
[01:31:06] <Meths> What's noac?
[01:31:14] <mui> disable attribute caching
[01:31:17] <Warod> yeah
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[01:35:14] <mui> Warod: why you dont just use iscsi to do sync replication between solaris nodes
[01:35:20] <mui> and put your nfs top of that
[01:35:29] <mui> that would allow you to do clean failovers
[01:35:46] <Warod> yeah, it would.. if I could trust it enough. :P
[01:35:58] <mui> well if it sucks in linux it doesnt mean it does not work
[01:36:08] <ira> What's wrong with iSCSI?
[01:36:16] <mui> iscsi is perfectly fine in solaris world
[01:36:22] <Warod> I might do it with osol.. comstar is worse. :S
[01:36:30] <mui> comstar is great
[01:36:40] <mui> nothing wrong there
[01:36:48] <mui> previous iscsitgtd was little bit scary
[01:36:49] <Warod> can you get it fail correctly and fast enough?
[01:36:53] <mui> yes
[01:37:03] <mui> session timeouts can be configured after snv_134 afaik
[01:37:10] <Warod> hmm
[01:37:23] <Warod> well, that _might_ change the table, yes.
[01:37:34] <mui> I'd go for that
[01:37:38] <Quadrant> has anybody tried to make a router / firewall appliance using oi / osol etc.
[01:37:44] <mui> but just make really sure that you dont import zpool on both nodes at same time
[01:37:54] <mui> and do async replication / some other way to backup
[01:37:57] <mui> in case of shit
[01:38:08] <mui> because it is really possible to fuck everything if you import zpool twice
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[01:38:14] <Warod> mui: yeah
[01:38:24] <Warod> mui: that's the second *thing* there. :P
[01:38:25] <mui> sorry my language but I just had to make message through (:
[01:38:30] <Warod> I know
[01:39:01] <Warod> we've recovered zpool once with nice kernel switches and some read only hack hack thingy. :P
[01:39:30] <Warod> it was shit and fuck and all
[01:39:32] <ira> (nod) How do you end up fencing it?
[01:39:53] <Warod> huh?
[01:40:06] <ira> Avoiding the pool getting mounted on 2 hosts?
[01:40:21] <ira> Besides don't be a dummy ;)
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[01:40:56] <mui> I'd only do automatic failover when its certain its needed and stonith can be performed
[01:41:09] <Warod> ah, our zpool corruption was a *theoretical* bug from 2009 which "should not happen in any scenario anyways" so no need to patch such thing.
[01:41:11] <mui> but having possibility to manual failover is great though
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[01:41:57] <Warod> but bad hardware included so...
[01:41:58] <Robbie_Crash> Question about permissions: which takes precedence, POSIX or ZFS permissions?
[01:43:37] <mui> I'd say if acl is set then its first
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[01:44:30] <Robbie_Crash> thanks. How can I unset ZFS permissions and just use normal POSIX ones?
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[01:47:52] <liberal> i think the zfs command can set and unset acls.
[01:48:13] <Robbie_Crash> thanks
[01:48:52] <mui> chmod -R A-
[01:48:58] <mui> if you mean fs acls
[01:49:33] <Triskelios> the traditional unix modes are just ACLs as well
[01:50:21] <Triskelios> if you have the ZFS property 'aclmode' set to 'discard' (the default), when you chmod, other ACL entries get removed
[01:50:31] <ira> owner@/group@/everyone@, I believe?
[01:51:48] <Robbie_Crash> thanks Triskelios, so I just need to be sure to set aclmode on any pool that is driving me mental by making me change permissions twice to discard instead of anything else?
[01:52:39] <Triskelios> Robbie_Crash: discard is the default, though
[01:53:14] <Robbie_Crash> yeah, apparently not on ZoL, which is where this pool originated.
[01:53:22] <Robbie_Crash> or at least, that's my best guess.
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[02:03:12] <Robbie_Crash> yeah, it's set to passthrough
[02:03:47] <Robbie_Crash> how can I push this down to all child FSes? Will it just propagate down if I set it?
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[02:04:48] <nvez> Anyone has experience with SRP and OI. My initiators are writing "SRP abort request" error from time to time. This seems to be causing some corruption on the VMs hosted on the SRP volume
[02:05:35] <nvez> http://pastebin.com/NFyw94U4
[02:05:38] <nvez> Specifically those errors
[02:06:40] <nvez> I'm seeing this issue on more than one machine as well, all of them actually. Could the IB switch be the issue? or maybe OI/SRP?
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[02:21:22] <gentoofan> Is the grub stage2 binary used by Open Indiana available online for download? I just had a hardware failure that took out the system that was hosting my Open Indiana VM.
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[02:53:11] <patdk-lap> is there something odd between file based lun and zvol based luns?
[02:53:58] <patdk-lap> I copied my iscsi image from linux, file based, and it worked fine
[02:54:13] <patdk-lap> I have attempted to copy that file image into a zvol, but it never boots
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[03:04:18] <tsoome> patdk-lap: because by default zvol has an metadata as well, you need to define separate space for metadata if you wanna do that
[03:04:29] <patdk-lap> hmm?
[03:05:10] <tsoome> or, dont copy directly from zvol, but from iscsi lun
[03:05:58] <patdk-lap> hmm, I figured doing /dev/zvol/rdsk or /dev/zvol/dsk would be ok
[03:06:18] <patdk-lap> doing a iscsi -> iscsi copy now
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[03:06:42] <patdk-lap> just find doing snapshot/clone/... on zvols so much more handy than working with filebased ones
[03:06:43] <tsoome> or, get the source and check how big is the metadata part to be skipped;)
[03:07:09] <tsoome> unix way - at least 2-3 alternate solutions;)
[03:07:14] <patdk-lap> does this mean my 20G file won't fit in a 20gig zvol?
[03:07:50] <patdk-lap> well I'm getting a good 80MB/sec over iscsi doing the copy :)
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[03:09:12] <tsoome> metadata isn't large, you may be lucky
[03:10:30] <patdk-lap> heh, don't think I have ever seem my home computer working at 80k irq's per second before
[03:10:35] <patdk-lap> seen
[03:10:40] <tsoome> :D
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[03:11:50] <patdk-lap> hmm, both report the same number of sectors, and it wrote ok :)
[03:12:12] <patdk-lap> now for a boot test
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[03:12:39] <tsoome> strings on zvol should display some bits from metadata btw.
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[03:14:47] <patdk-lap> it boots :)
[03:15:25] <patdk-lap> finally :)
[03:15:36] <tsoome> :D
[03:15:39] <patdk-lap> I can have nice backups (snpahosts) of this iscsi boot system
[03:15:44] <patdk-lap> like the rest of my setups
[03:15:57] <patdk-lap> this was my old legancy transition
[03:15:59] <patdk-lap> only
[03:16:54] <patdk-lap> only info I could find, was people saying file based luns where faster than zvols, and they couldn't figure out the difference between them
[03:17:32] <tsoome> thats easy btw;)
[03:17:42] <patdk-lap> I know
[03:18:06] <tsoome> just look on recordsize;)
[03:18:27] <patdk-lap> and snapshot/clone/restore is much nicer on zvol, than attempting it with files
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[05:03:58] <liberal> is there a kernel boot parameter I can use to tell solaris not to reboot when encountering an issue during boot?
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[07:27:11] <hath001> I have a long maillist . and i don't know what is the best chose for me . can you help me please
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[07:36:44] <hath001> ?
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[09:21:37] <Quadrant> http://www.supermicro.com/products/nfo/sbb.cfm
[09:21:45] <Quadrant> that is really cool
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[09:51:35] <gentoofan> Does Open Indiana support TRIM on any filesystem?
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[10:43:04] <tsoome> havent heard, but havent checked either.
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[18:03:11] <Kush-> using 151a2, is math.h not included? trying to compile node.js with gcc-3, but it complains it can't find math.h.
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[18:04:20] <Alasdairrr> Kush-: it's a separate install
[18:04:26] <Alasdairrr> pkg search -p math.h
[18:05:01] <Alasdairrr> pkg:/system/library/math/header-math
[18:05:02] <Kush-> which pkg?
[18:05:04] <Kush-> i already have pkg:/system/library/math/header-math
[18:05:13] <Kush-> root at spin:~/node-v0 dot 6.11# pkg list |grep math
[18:05:13] <Alasdairrr> really?
[18:05:14] <Kush-> system/library/math 0.5.11-0.151.1.2 installed -----
[18:05:14] <Kush-> root at spin:~/node-v0 dot 6.11#
[18:05:20] <Alasdairrr> ah no
[18:05:22] <Alasdairrr> you need header-math
[18:05:38] <Alasdairrr> Someone is working on integrating math.h i think
[18:05:45] <Alasdairrr> so we don't need this tiny stupid package
[18:05:49] <Kush-> ugh, small oversight.
[18:05:52] <Kush-> thanks
[18:05:54] <Alasdairrr> np!
[18:06:04] <Alasdairrr> pkg search and pkg contents are your friends
[18:06:09] <Alasdairrr> use the pkg5, luke
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[18:07:16] <Kush-> yea, oversight on my part, I did pkg search/list earlier, and I *thought* saw it say math-library was installed :)
[18:08:15] <Alasdairrr> yeah they are confusing names!
[18:08:21] <Alasdairrr> tacos inside tacos
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[19:37:57] <laney___> im trying to follow this: ] [ Patrickdk ]
[19:38:02] <laney___> oops
[19:38:17] <laney___> http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19082-01/820-2429/createstaticsmbsharezfstask/index.html
[19:38:40] <laney___> but i think their ls is different
[19:39:04] <Triskelios> laney___: /usr/bin/ls
[19:39:34] <laney___> wtf
[19:39:46] <laney___> thx
[19:40:30] <tsoome> and chmod. i sill fail to see why that gnu crap is there...
[19:41:20] <Patrickdk> hmm? follow me? that would be bad
[19:41:27] <Patrickdk> I go in horrible places
[19:42:11] <Patrickdk> yay, my zvol is so much better now, I killed the file based lun's
[19:42:28] <Patrickdk> finally got my second system up here at home :)
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[19:44:43] <saablover> file based lun's ?
[19:44:48] <saablover> that's only for testing ....
[19:44:50] <saablover> :)
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[21:10:34] <Lumb> hmmh, upgrade to 151a2 went smoothly, but now if I try to install pkgs with pkg inside the zone, it gives me framework error?
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[21:11:41] <Lumb> heh, looks like some1 else had a similar problem http://pastebin.com/qjT0zNyi
[21:11:47] <Woodstock> did you update the zone?
[21:13:20] <Lumb> uh oh... of course not
[21:13:42] <Lumb> lemme update that as well, thx for the hint :)
[21:14:58] <Woodstock> i used zoneadm detach followed by zoneadm attach -u, but for some reason it first failed (because of nvidia-incorporation, had to fix that manually), and then it was incomplete so i did a image-update in the zone
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[21:15:22] <Lumb> hmmh, zone says its 151a2 tough
[21:15:43] <Lumb> Woodstock: Ill give it a shot with the attach as well
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