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[00:40:35] <ianj> anyone know where the package /library/python-2/tkinter-26 can be found?
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[05:26:11] <Patrickdk> how can I install a pkg, without updating all other pkg's?
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[07:21:41] <altker128> Hey all. I spent a lot of time today reading about ACLs on ZFS specifically under Solaris/OI
[07:22:03] <altker128> I understand that OI will use NFSv4-style ACLs on ZFS, even if it's exported via NFS or CIFS (kernel)
[07:22:19] <altker128> Does that mean that programs like rsync that are run on remote shares will fail to function?
[07:24:12] <madwizard> Coffee
[07:24:26] <madwizard> Patrickdk: pkg install pkg
[07:24:53] <madwizard> Patrickdk: But create backup be (ie. beadm create backup_be)
[07:24:58] <madwizard> Just in case, you know
[07:31:57] <patdk-lap> mad, that doesn't work, I tested it
[07:32:09] <patdk-lap> it installed all updates, and created a be
[07:32:17] <patdk-lap> and in order for me to use the pkg I wanted to install
[07:32:20] <patdk-lap> I have to reboot :(
[07:35:45] <madwizard> Ah, quite possible. I don't remember then if you can install pkg on the image you're using
[07:35:53] <madwizard> Sorry
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[08:06:52] <myrkraverk> Hello.
[08:07:34] <myrkraverk> The firewall thingy in OpenIndiana is still ipf isn't it? (I'm using Linux right now and can't "just check)."
[08:09:32] <myrkraverk> Ok, google helped a bit. It seems so.
[08:14:46] <madwizard> myrkraverk: It is
[08:23:09] <myrkraverk> :) That means I'm reading the right document: The IP Filter HOWTO.
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[08:27:50] <myrkraverk> Has IPTables been replaced in Linux by now?
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[08:28:06] <myrkraverk> I haven't "hand configured" a firewall since 2004 or so.
[08:35:05] <madwizard> myrkraverk: Nope, that's stil iptables in Linux
[08:41:55] <madwizard> Coffee
[08:46:06] <myrkraverk> Hmm, I think I'll take my milk without coffee.
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[08:50:42] <madwizard> I may yet tak emy coffee without the water :)
[09:00:46] <myrkraverk> Can I check the version of ipf in OI? On the web or once I reboot into it?
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[09:34:36] <lblume> madwizard: Coffee to you too!
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[09:38:37] <madwizard> lblume: :)
[09:39:18] <raichoo> good morning
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[09:54:29] <scarcry> myrkraverk: pfexec ipf -V
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[13:08:12] <patkoscsaba> hi all
[13:08:48] <patkoscsaba> I have a problem joining active directory
[13:09:26] <patkoscsaba> using the same krb5.conf file, joining fails most of the time, but sometime works
[13:09:59] <patkoscsaba> if I execute the command: smbadm join -u Administrator my.domain
[13:10:13] <patkoscsaba> it fails about 9 out of 10 attempts
[13:10:29] <patkoscsaba> with the error: "failed to find any domain controllers for"
[13:10:52] <patkoscsaba> if I ping the domain server, it is always up and running
[13:11:18] <crsd> anything in logs?
[13:12:23] * RoyK wonders slightly about the best way to do a clean drive kill - this drive has been 'erronous' for some time, but not enough for warranty...
[13:12:48] <RoyK> patkoscsaba: do you use a domain controller as your DNS server?
[13:13:29] <patkoscsaba> Feb 16 14:29:23 danstore3 smbd[2153]: [ID 855562 daemon.error] ldal_sasl_interactive_bind_s failed (Local error)
[13:13:29] <patkoscsaba> Feb 16 14:29:23 danstore3 smbd[2153]: [ID 702911 daemon.notice] Failed to connect to an Active Directory server.
[13:13:29] <patkoscsaba> Feb 16 14:29:23 danstore3 smbd[2153]: [ID 871254 daemon.error] smbd: failed joining MY.DOMAIN.HERE (UNSUCCESSFUL)
[13:13:52] <patkoscsaba> RoyK: the domain controlles is my DNS
[13:14:24] <patkoscsaba> and in /etc/resolv.conf I have it set up correctly, the 'search' domain is also my AD domain
[13:17:08] <patkoscsaba> dmesg is a little more expressive:
[13:17:33] <patkoscsaba> Feb 16 14:33:09 danstore3 genunix: [ID 138131 kern.notice] NOTICE: smb_smb_treeconnect: (\\dc\IPC$) failed, status=0xc00000bd
[13:17:33] <patkoscsaba> Feb 16 14:33:09 danstore3 smbd[2269]: [ID 807464 daemon.error] ndr_rpc_bind: smbrdr_ctx_new(S=dc, D=MY.DOMAIN.HERE, U=Administrator), err=22
[13:18:42] <patkoscsaba> The AD server is win2008 sp1
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[13:18:51] <patkoscsaba> 2008 r2
[13:22:15] <|woody|> try getting a kerb ticket first befor joning
[13:22:16] <|woody|> kinit
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[13:33:30] <patkoscsaba> kinit works ...
[13:34:04] <|woody|> now try a join
[13:34:05] <patkoscsaba> but I am on something here, there are some aliases for my domain server
[13:34:13] <patkoscsaba> for example
[13:34:24] <patkoscsaba> the name of the server is srv.my.domain
[13:34:34] <patkoscsaba> with the alias ad.my.domain
[13:34:52] <patkoscsaba> it seem like it fails if I set ad.my.domain as the domain server
[13:35:45] <patkoscsaba> btw ... joining failed after kinit
[13:37:05] <patkoscsaba> ... and faild again for about 15 times
[13:37:22] <|woody|> ok
[13:37:55] <|woody|> don't know then sorry. I just remember that I had this problem once and getting a ticket first did fix it
[13:44:26] <patkoscsaba> after all it was an AD issue
[13:45:00] <patkoscsaba> Windows Server did not depromote an old domain correctly and some messed up dns entries remained on the server
[13:48:18] <mui> hmm
[13:48:21] <mui> ucarp not compiling on OI?
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[14:04:53] <mui> oh well
[14:04:55] <mui> fixed it
[14:05:38] <Tenzer> :)
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[14:07:55] <mui> i wonder if i should send patches to someone
[14:08:13] <mui> behaviour how mac addressess are gathered is somewhat changed on recent solaris
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[15:51:19] <bjz> hello
[15:55:49] <spanglywires> check dns, check your clocks are within tolerance, check you're not losing udp traffic.
[15:56:08] <spanglywires> oops, that msg was to a long ago poster - ignore
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[16:12:04] <lennard> question: does anyone know if the nodename is supposed to contain the fqdn?
[16:12:25] <lennard> or if not, what the proper way to configure domain/fqdn is
[16:14:04] <Woodstock> /etc/resolv.conf
[16:14:20] <Woodstock> should contain a domain or search statement
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[16:17:23] <lennard> it does, but that doesn't stop ie sendmail from complaing about non-fqdn
[16:17:45] <lennard> I could just edit /etc/hosts, but the internets sometimes suggest putting fqdn in nodename is the proper solution
[16:17:54] <lennard> that doesn't quite sound right to me though :)
[16:20:34] <Woodstock> and your /etc/nsswitch.conf is correctly set up, too?
[16:20:55] <lennard> hosts: files dns
[16:20:58] <lennard> sounds about right to me :)
[16:21:25] <lennard> although I may have to check if nodename+domain is in dns
[16:21:34] <lennard> I think only nodename+mgt.domain is in dns
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[16:37:40] <lblume> lennard: t should work with any fqdn in /etc/inet/hosts, ie "x.x.x.x hostname hostname." should be ok (not the dot)
[16:38:01] <lennard> not as in note? :)
[16:38:11] <lblume> yes, that too :-)
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[16:46:02] <haj> Anyone here used PCIe mounted SSDs as L2ARC? Currently we use regular SSDs but I was thinking the PCIe mounted units may be better...
[16:46:25] <haj> If they work in openindiana that is...
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[16:51:54] <Tenzer> haj: I have tried an OCZ one with OI. It worked fine except that it didnt have drivers for the raid controller which was on the OCZ board, so I had to use it without the raid 0 configuration it came with per default
[16:52:45] <Tenzer> I cant really go more in depth on it, Im on a train right now, and will be at my stop in a moment
[16:54:42] <haj> okay... thanks..
[16:57:17] <Triskelios> many of the cheaper PCIe SSDs are just controllers bundled with an SSD
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[17:15:29] <richlowe> I'd expect anything that wasn't to require actual work to support.
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[18:08:09] <merzo> Have a question about PostgreSQL 9.1 in SFE repo, looks like pkgs are not full, I can not find pg_init and pg_ctl files... without this files pkg is useless
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[18:24:52] <tomww> merzo: how did you check? with pkg contents -r -m ?
[18:25:14] <tomww> I'm pretty sure the one maintaining the package has it in use on his own servers
[18:25:57] <tomww> and postgresql on Solaris usually doesn't poinson the regular search paths with all sorts od 32-bit and 64-bit bianries,
[18:26:22] <tomww> so /usr/postgresql/9.1/bin or sbin would be a good place for architecture specific binaries
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[18:31:05] <merzo> tomww i checked /usr/postgresql/9.1/bin and using Package Manager
[18:32:04] <merzo> sorry I meam /usr/postgres/9.1/bin
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[18:40:46] <tomww> which package provider was used ?
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[18:41:08] <tomww> I can see in the server package bin/pg_ctl and amd64/bin/pg_ctl ...
[18:41:27] <tomww> there are a lot of separate packages as well, which one did you choose to install?
[18:44:40] <merzo> hmmmm have to check
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[18:58:30] <merzo> it's really stupid but I don't see... I found that this files exist for service/database/postgres-82 package that is in dev repo
[18:59:04] <merzo> probably it's issue of Package Manager?
[18:59:30] <merzo> in what pkg you found this files?
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[19:15:23] <tomww> should be in package service/database/postgres-91
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[19:15:36] <tomww> pkg contents -r -m service/database/postgres-91 | grep pg_ctl
[19:16:06] <tomww> which publisher did you use for the install? (pkg publisher -> is there a sfe one ?)
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[19:25:42] <merzo> http://pkg.openindiana.org/sfe/ this one
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[19:42:50] <tomww> okay 1 second
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[19:47:58] <tomww> hm it looks like the spec file used to build 9.1 wasn't changed regarding to files it packages.
[19:48:38] <tomww> are you in a hurry with hat package? you could ping irc user herzen and ask if he could re-run the build and check if the files you named as examples
[19:48:50] <tomww> are on the build directory but left out for some reason.
[19:49:12] <tomww> interesting would be if they are symlinks or hardlink or something
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[19:49:44] <MarconM> how i install a package on openindiana
[19:49:50] <MarconM> like wm
[19:49:53] <MarconM> xmonad
[19:49:56] <tomww> else if you want you can fetch the spec files yourself and just hack a few lines into the keyboards and modify the packages yourself
[19:49:57] <MarconM> emacs
[19:50:27] <MarconM> uhnm
[19:50:37] <MarconM> has a way to install from terminal
[19:50:42] <MarconM> like pacman bla bla bla
[19:50:50] <MarconM> install $package
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[19:51:50] <tomww> on the command line you use: pkg search xmonad
[19:51:56] <tomww> and get the findings displayed
[19:52:03] <tomww> to install use pkg install xmonad
[19:52:16] <tomww> else use the graphical package manager on the desktop
[19:53:37] <tomww> all the basic documentaion for openindiana, so some extent for solaris 11 and older opensolaris applies for such basic tasks. google is helping maybe as well.
[19:54:45] <MarconM> tomww thanks
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[19:54:57] <MarconM> tomww for defaults openindiana use zfs .. or i have to active
[19:55:26] <tomww> yes, all those newer build exclusively install the root filesystem on a zpool/zfs filesystem
[19:59:07] <richlowe> it's actually a pain in the ass should you need to, for eg, make sure you don't break the other bootblocks
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[20:05:59] <merzo> herzen hello, please look at postgresql-9.1 packages look like files pg_init and pg_ctl missed, probably not only those files but I didn't checked
[20:06:23] <haj> removing an offlined cache-device makes ZFS hang for like 2 minutes... at least it did for me earlier.... any way to avoid hangs like that?
[20:07:10] <herzen> merzo: I just figured out the problem. service/database/postgres-91 is missing from the repo.
[20:07:26] <haj> I do have to remove the devices... Without thinking I had them online while they where in a mounted in a SATA-slot.. I'd like to run them through the SAS-controller though...
[20:07:27] <merzo> ohhh thnx!
[20:07:34] <herzen> that package contains those files. I'll add it.
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[20:16:22] <haj> ah.. actually it turned out not to be a problem..
[20:17:25] <haj> cool.. earlier I had the system hang while removing a slooooow Crucial SSD.. :/
[20:17:29] <haj> for 2-3 minutes
[20:17:32] <haj> a bit annoying
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[20:30:56] <herzen> merzo: service/database/postgres-91 is in the repo now.
[20:31:45] <merzo> herzen thank you!
[20:32:51] <herzen> np
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[21:46:39] <altker128> Does anyone here share a ZFS mount with mixed OS-clients on the same share? i.e. CIFS/NFS clients to the same ZFS mount.
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[21:59:17] * crsd wonders what the real question was (not the poll kind)
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[22:01:10] <altker128> crsd: Me?
[22:01:14] <crsd> yep
[22:01:20] <altker128> crsd: http://nexenta.org/boards/1/topics/1841
[22:01:43] <altker128> crsd: I'm worried I'll get into a situation like that guy. I want to have: NFSv3 clients, CIFS clients, and use rsync (client-side)
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[22:02:30] <altker128> crsd: The NFSv4 ACLs on ZFS are throwing me for a bit of a loop since I haven't messed with that stuff. I'm trying to wrap my head around the implications, what it means, and how I might set things up to avoid any kind of issues (like the guy Scott has posted about in that thread).
[22:06:36] <altker128> crsd: The posting in that thread I'm specifically talking about starts with "A bit off topic, but... ACLs are the work of the devil."
[22:09:51] <altker128> crsd: Any insight here? Sounds like if the ACLs are set, I just have to avoid using rsync client-side, or did I miss something?
[22:10:28] <crsd> not sure, I'll let someone else answer that :)
[22:12:08] <altker128> From the outside looking in, these questions probably seem like they're easily resolved by reading the man pages and documentation, which I've done. But it still leaves some lingering questions not having gone down this path. I plan to migrate a lot of data over to ZFS/OI, so I want to get it 'right' the first time.
[22:12:10] <nahamu> altker128: are you planning on using any complicated ACLs?
[22:12:47] <altker128> nahamu: No, something pretty basic, as-in most folders are read/writable, and a few should be read-only unless it's a particular user.
[22:12:48] <nahamu> I have some file servers running Nexenta that share via NFS4 and Samba (not in-kernel CIFS)
[22:13:13] <altker128> nahamu: NFSV4 means the ACLs pass through to the client though, right?
[22:13:43] <nahamu> it means the client can see them fully and manipulate them natively.
[22:13:51] <nahamu> if you're not doing anything fancy, you should be fine
[22:13:56] <nahamu> and rsync shouldn't be a problem
[22:14:15] <nahamu> is there a particular entry in that thread that had you worried?
[22:14:20] <altker128> nahamu: Yes
[22:14:25] <nahamu> which one?
[22:14:29] <altker128> nahamu: "A bit off topic, but... ACLs are the work of the devil."
[22:15:41] <altker128> nahamu: The posting below by 'Gea' sort of tersely summarizes the trade-offs and he mentions 'avoid using rsync'
[22:16:00] <nahamu> hmmmm
[22:16:33] <nahamu> I'd run some experiments on a test box to see if you're likely to hit those problems.
[22:16:36] <altker128> I'd like to only use NFSv3 but the whole uid/gid stuff has me thinking CIFS will be easier (not neccessarily better).
[22:17:02] <altker128> nahamu: I plan to, but sometimes you don't see odd failure modes until it's 'in production'. I was hoping to avoid that by trying to ask the right questions up-front.
[22:17:21] <nahamu> well, I haven'
[22:17:28] <nahamu> t had any horrible problems
[22:17:38] <altker128> Have you tried using rsync via Samba?
[22:17:44] <altker128> And then tried to access the share via NFSv4?
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[22:19:34] <nahamu> I don't think we've done rsync over Samba, no.
[22:19:41] <altker128> nahamu: Yeah :
[22:19:43] <altker128> :/
[22:19:51] <nahamu> (seems like a bad idea though... why would you?)
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[22:20:41] <altker128> nahamu: Well, it's not a situation I would want to find myself in, but I use rsync to back-up data periodically and not being able to use it kind of sucks.
[22:21:13] <nahamu> but I meant, why would you do an rsync operation via the samba protocol?
[22:21:13] <altker128> nahamu: Plus, of course, NFS on Windows isn't too great, so I probably have to make available Samba at some point, so I'll eventually run into the situation that guy is facing (in the thread)
[22:21:46] <altker128> nahamu: Well, the idea is to centralize storage on a ZFS-capable platform. Either it's made available via NFS or CIFS, or, possibly AFP (Apple-FS)
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[22:22:21] <nahamu> Well, I'm the wrong person to provide the horror stories, I guess.
[22:22:26] <altker128> heh
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[22:24:48] <altker128> Well, if anyone else any opinions to share on the ACL-conundrum, please let me know. In the mean time, I'll keep re-reading man pages and documents...
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[22:33:08] <Botanic> altker128, nfs isnt too bad in windows 2008
[22:33:17] <Botanic> its at least better then cifs...
[22:33:26] <altker128> Botanic: Any Windows client I would have would be <=XP.
[22:33:34] <altker128> Botanic: Or, Linux-Samba.
[22:33:46] <Botanic> ya windows 7 and 2008 has nfs built in
[22:33:49] <Botanic> and it actually works decent
[22:34:03] <altker128> Botanic: Any ideas on the ACL stuff I've been looking into?
[22:34:10] <Botanic> i have cifs :)
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[22:34:12] <Botanic> hate*
[22:34:19] <Warod> pfft
[22:34:21] <Botanic> so i dont touch it sry
[22:34:24] <Warod> CIFS works too. :>
[22:34:29] <Botanic> it -works- :P
[22:34:32] <Botanic> but its a pita
[22:34:46] <altker128> Do either of you deal with mixed-client access to same shaers?
[22:34:49] <altker128> shares even. NFSv3
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[22:58:13] <gea> ZFS ACL are not so bad if you mainly have Windows clients, they work quite similar to Windows ACL
[22:58:15] <gea> with trivial ACL like everyone@ the are also compatible to unix permissions
[23:00:05] <Triskelios> trying to have ACLs for Windows (which can include e.g. SIDs) mean the same thing to NFS clients is tricky (and in some cases not possible)
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[23:02:36] <gea> User based restrictions for Windows nad NFS3 seems not really doable. I use NFS only when not users but hosts are responsible for access
[23:04:10] <gea> NFS is great for ESXi but not worth the effort for user based access. In such a case CIFS is the winner
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[23:49:19] <gea> Question: ZFS would be perfect for a Windows server if the filesysystem may use longer longer UID or GUID (as long as a Windows SID)
[23:49:21] <gea> Any reason why this is not possible. The id-mapping database between Windows SID and Unix UID is a bad work around.
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