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[00:27:28] <hjf> is there a way to install gcc & friends? some metapackage with gcc, make, etc?
[00:28:02] <Triskelios> developer/gnu
[00:28:34] <Triskelios> pkg install developer/gnu, that is
[00:29:25] <hjf> ah i knew it
[00:29:37] <hjf> man i need to start posting to my blog again about all these little things
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[04:50:33] <sivanov_> i cannot boot fresh install from usb disk: grub menu loads, but when it starts booting solaris there are only blinking cursor on the screen
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[06:20:29] <Botanic> how can i install and start the oi desktop from the console on the server install?
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[06:24:56] <Triskelios> Botanic: there's a reason the text install image is a few hundred megs smaller
[06:25:16] <Botanic> sure i assume there is a way to manually install it tho correct?
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[06:28:47] <Triskelios> Botanic: sure, pkg install slim_install
[06:28:54] <Botanic> cool tks
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[06:32:21] <Botanic> blarg someone forgot to plugin the dam public interface -.-
[06:32:33] <Botanic> ok well i guess ill just reinstall/upgrade :)
[06:32:41] <Botanic> maitance window!
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[08:23:49] <vados> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YMzhgTS9b7Q/TzlvWqsI34I/AAAAAAAAOg0/nlJfh624JZE/w402/1_happyvaletinesday.jpg
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[08:52:25] <madwizard> Coffee
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[09:30:28] <lblume> madwizard: One for me too, please.
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[09:49:55] <matsim> Hi I read that networking with zones wasn't as easy with virtualbox - any recommendations?
[09:50:09] <matsim> (oi running inside a VBox)
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[10:30:22] <Tenzer> matsim: You should add multiple virtual network interfaces to the VirtualBox VM configuration, and then assign each of these NIC's to a zone and don't use vnics
[10:31:16] <Tenzer> Otherwise VirtualBox don't know that it has to send data into the VM when it receives packages addresses to a MAC address of a vnic, which isn't in VirtualBox's network configuration
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[10:32:59] <matsim> Tenzer - thanks!
[10:33:26] <matsim> I guess I need to plumb the in the global zone first?
[10:34:09] <Tenzer> matsim: No, not if you dedicated each NIC to a zone, then the zone will do the plumbing
[10:34:34] <Tenzer> You don't plumb a vnic for a zone when you use that :P
[10:34:55] <matsim> right, I remember and yes makes sense :P
[10:41:11] <matsim> voilà, now I have networking in the zone :)
[10:41:13] <matsim> thanks
[10:46:27] <Tenzer> You're welcome
[10:47:03] <Tenzer> I have used some time on debugging why zones in VirtualBox only was able to send out packages, but not able to receive anything :P
[10:47:34] <Tenzer> Actually, an alternative way would be to use ip-type=shared for the zone configuration, then all network packages will be sent from the same MAC address
[10:47:52] <Tenzer> But that's not as fun as each zone having its own network stack
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[10:50:25] <Agnar> Tenzer: just for your amusement: the same problem exists for VMWare ESX...the ESX virtual switch only sends packages to a vmware which has the right target mac assigned. we have a openvpn gateway in a vmware, doing proxy-arp and that fails for this reason. so we had to enable promiscous mode on the vmware...
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[12:40:56] <matsim> had to switch back to ol' manual config
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[16:02:21] <Tenzer> wtf
[16:02:25] <Tenzer> The old Sun site? http://cs.sun.com/products/x64/x4150/specs.xml
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[16:03:56] <lblume> A local website that they forgot to decommission
[16:06:52] <nahamu> could be that no one still there knows which machine to turn off...
[16:06:59] <nahamu> reminds of of http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/201201/goodbye_tabblo.html
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[16:17:57] <lblume> They ought to know which machine handles DNS, though :-)
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[16:23:18] <patdk-wk> isn't the bigger question is, knowing what else would happen, if it was turned off
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[17:52:53] <hjf> i tried to mount a root zfs pool in OI but i got the nozpool error
[17:53:13] <hjf> i was told i should disable the rootfs flag on the zpool... i tried it but still the same error
[17:53:46] <hjf> is there a way to mount that pool on OI?
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[17:58:13] <hjf> https://www.illumos.org/issues/934
[17:58:19] <hjf> i think that's the bug
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[18:09:57] <Triskelios> hjf: if it's a FreeBSD pool, you need to change the GUID
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[18:20:53] <hjf> Triskelios: how? i saw some steps at that page (fdisk, remove efi, create efi, format -e, etc)
[18:21:17] <hjf> that doesn't destroy data, does it?
[18:21:23] <Triskelios> gpart modify -i <number> -t '!6A898CC3-1DD2-11B2-99A6-080020736631
[18:22:33] <hjf> Triskelios: will freebsd still be able to read (and boot) from that pool?
[18:22:46] <Triskelios> hjf: read, sure. no idea about boot
[18:23:11] <hjf> I'll try in a VM then
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[18:23:26] <hjf> install freebsd with zfs root and then try that
[18:23:36] <Triskelios> it's reversible anyway
[18:24:01] <Triskelios> just change the GUID to zfs-root or whatever freebsd calls it
[18:24:51] <hjf> speaking of GPT
[18:25:19] <hjf> what's the deal with that? is UEFI capable of recognizing those partitions and boot from them?
[18:25:39] <hjf> cause i was getting errors when i set it to boot from "hdd 0" but it booted fine with legacy
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[18:53:06] <RoyK> hm... anyone here that knows what sector size the 7K4000 drives really use? 5K4000 uses advanced format (4k), and sector size on the 7K4000 is given to 512e, but what the e might mean, I don't know...
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[18:53:37] <patdk-wk> 512extented?
[18:54:07] <hunter1> 512 raised to the power of e?
[18:54:21] <hunter1> I like their optimism, but a lot of OS's are going to have VFS trouble with that.
[18:54:24] <patdk-wk> well, just multipliex by e
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[19:23:20] <RoyK> hunter1: 7K3000 has 512 byte sectors, so no worse issues with 4TB, really
[19:23:54] <RoyK> can I set number of snapshots to keep per weekly on a dataset basis? svccfg -s auto-snapshot:daily will be global...
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[19:31:29] <raichoo> hi folks
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[19:48:33] <headw01> Where would I look to find the MAX_FRAME_SIZE for the e1000g driver for the 82574L chipset? Trying to set jumbo frames, but I can't tell if that chipset supports it
[19:49:19] <Triskelios> headw01: #illumos is probably better for this
[19:49:44] <headw01> (setting the mtu to a value over 1500 fails with ifconfig and dladm... I have updated /kernel/drv/e1000g.conf with the MaxFrameSize=3...)
[19:50:00] <headw01> Thanks Trisk... I'll check there.
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[20:13:20] <haj> I would think that to allow remote root (for zfs backups.. on a private storage network) I would only need to comment out the CONSOLE-line in /etc/default/login .. but that doesn't work?
[20:15:35] <haj> figured it out
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[20:42:09] <Kurlon> Is it safe to update via the pacakge manage gui?
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[20:55:11] <Tenzer> Kurlon: I haven't heard that it shouldn't be
[20:55:26] <Tenzer> Have you seen the mails on the list regarding the updates which was pushed yesterday?
[20:55:45] <Kurlon> Ok, for some reason I thought I read something saying to do it from the CLI as the GUI was hosed at one point but I can't recall where.
[20:55:54] <Kurlon> I've not seen that email yet.
[20:56:27] <Tenzer> http://openindiana.org/pipermail/oi-dev/2012-February/001249.html
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[21:00:03] <tjpatter> What is the recommended way to implement IPMP in OpenIndiana? The ipadm command does not list any options here...
[21:01:25] <Tenzer> tjpatter: I think you want to edit the /etc/hostname.* files manually
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[21:04:44] <tjpatter> How would I define the interface group definitions with those files though?
[21:04:58] <tjpatter> I could use ifconfig, but the changes would not be persistent.
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[21:11:18] <Tenzer> tjpatter: I'm sorry. I don't really have experience with setting ipmp up, but I believe the guides I've seen has configured it all in the hostname.* files
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[21:12:12] <tjpatter> Tenzer: No problem. I'll do some more experimenting.
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[21:16:09] <hjf> RoyK: http://www.hitachigst.com/deskstar-5k4000 says right there it's 4K
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[21:20:03] <MrDragon1> hey guys, messing with a test openindiana install and I think I messed up grub somehow. wondering if someone can hook me up..
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[21:20:52] <MrDragon1> I added a mirror to my rpool and all looked well, installed grub on the second drive, and turned on compression.. after reboot I only get to a grub> prompt
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[21:21:46] <Tenzer> MrDragon1: You must have done something wrong, that usually works for me :P
[21:22:07] <MrDragon1> compression on the rpool shouldn't kill grub should it?
[21:22:12] <Tenzer> Are you sure the mirror was in sync before you rebooted?
[21:22:25] <Tenzer> No, I usually enable compression on 'rpool'
[21:22:32] <Tenzer> That works fine for me
[21:22:58] <MrDragon1> it was showing both disks as online, and had been running for a couple days before I updated in package manager
[21:23:13] <MrDragon1> thats when it failed, but I don't know if its the cause or something else
[21:23:20] <MrDragon1> its not a big loss, just a test VM
[21:23:41] <Kurlon> I verified that my OI box with compression on the rpool is booting cleanly, I don't remember if I'm using gzip or not though.
[21:23:55] <MrDragon1> it was using gzip
[21:24:40] <Tenzer> Well, in order to get you going further, you probably want to boot up the machine with an installation ISO
[21:25:10] <Tenzer> That will let you import your rpool, and make it easier for you to debug
[21:25:20] <MrDragon1> a minute ago I booted with the iso, did zpool import -f rpool then installed grub again, no go..
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[21:25:30] <MrDragon1> will boot again and see if I can see stuff on the rpool
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[21:26:39] <RoyK> hjf: yeah, but wtf is "Sector size (variable, Bytes/sector) 512e" as specified for the 7k4000?
[21:27:06] <Tenzer> Actually, I haven't tried to use gzip on the rpool, I have usually found that gzip uses to much CPU compared to the amount of space it can save
[21:27:22] <RoyK> ah
[21:27:33] <RoyK> seems 7k4000 is "advanced" mode as well
[21:28:01] <hjf> RoyK: i'm willing to bet the "e" in 512e stands for "emulation"
[21:28:04] <RoyK> wtf can't they just use native 4k sectors?
[21:28:06] <RoyK> Sector size (bytes) - Advanced Format drive: 4K physical sectors with 512 emulation
[21:28:08] <MrDragon1> thats good to know.. my final install is just going to be a home media server but we also use Nexenta at work so I'm trying to learn on this too
[21:28:27] <RoyK> hjf: quite possibly, yes ;)
[21:28:48] <hjf> RoyK: well, 512 is "auto-legacy", so to speak
[21:29:15] <hjf> internally the drive reads and writes 4k each time
[21:29:36] <RoyK> what's the deal with using 4k-with-fake-512-sectors-drives these days? what happens if I just zpool replace a 2TB drive with one with 4k sectors?
[21:29:42] <hjf> if your controller asks for a 4k chunk, it gives the correctly read 4k sector (as long as the sectors are "aligned" )
[21:30:08] <hjf> RoyK: it will run in 512 emulation, sadly. i wanted to do that but I was told you can't
[21:30:45] <hjf> so I'll have to create a new pool and "file level" copy stuff, to be sure (that is, use cp, not dd or zfs send)
[21:31:01] <RoyK> I guess my question is: If I zpool replace a 2TB 512b sector drive with a 4TB 512/4096b sector drive, will the alignment be right?
[21:31:34] <hjf> RoyK: it won't,at least in older solaris releases. you had to mess with ashift
[21:31:43] <RoyK> this is 151a
[21:32:08] <hjf> RoyK: it even involved recompilation of zfs (!)
[21:32:45] <hjf> ashift was hardcoded (since no one thought a sector of 512 bytes, which has been stable for over 20 years, was going to be changed some day)
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[21:32:55] <RoyK> thing is, I'm setting up a new 80TB thing at the end of the week, lots of mirrors... drives are 2TB so that they can be replaced with larger ones when needed - now - will the default alignment with 151a be sufficient for 4k drives, or do I have to do something funny?
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[21:33:40] <hjf> RoyK: http://wiki.openindiana.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4883847
[21:34:41] <RoyK> do we still have to fscking recompile zpool to fix this?
[21:35:19] <hjf> RoyK: there was a link to a patched zpool but the site is down
[21:35:36] <RoyK> but no official fix?
[21:35:49] <RoyK> nothing like a flag? or something actually fixing it?
[21:36:01] <hjf> zpool create tank block-size 4096 raidz1 drive1 drive2
[21:36:13] <hjf> the patched zpool does that.
[21:36:31] <Kurlon> hjf: I dunno, I've been fighting with 520 byte sector FC drives lately, they originated from 2003ish?
[21:36:37] <hjf> comments in the page says it's already fixed. i don't know
[21:37:05] <hjf> Kurlon: who the hell came up with such a weird number?
[21:37:15] <RoyK> hm.. how can I check the ashift value of a pool?
[21:37:38] <RoyK> hjf: it's just 512+crc, normal for sas drives
[21:37:40] <Kurlon> Netapp, EMC... they reformat drives to 520b sectors so they can store 512byte blocks with CRC in one sector.
[21:38:02] <RoyK> even hitachi drives are 520b
[21:38:09] <RoyK> sas drives, that is
[21:38:26] <hjf> RoyK: http://www.solarismen.de/archives/5-Solaris-and-the-new-4K-Sector-Disks-e.g.-WDxxEARS-Part-2.html
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[21:38:55] <hjf> RoyK: zdb -C tells you ashift. ashift is 2^9=512 bytes
[21:39:03] <hjf> or bits
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[21:40:02] <RoyK> bytes
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[21:41:34] <kdavyd> They also have 528 byte sectors, for that matter, for a larger checksum
[21:42:29] <hjf> yeah but... if it's checksum, the filesystem doesn't need to know
[21:42:34] <hjf> that's a driver thing
[21:43:14] <kdavyd> right - but the checksum was written by software/filesystem on those 520/528b drives, in some cases
[21:44:23] <kdavyd> In theory, aside from breaking industry standards, nothing would prevent ZFS from utilizing 544b sectors, and using the final 32b for zfs's own checksum
[21:45:03] <RoyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/842180/
[21:45:20] <RoyK> doesn't seem to be in 151a
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[21:46:16] <RoyK> this really needs to get fixed soon
[21:47:05] <Kurlon> kdavyd: If there was a way to make OI/zfs deal happily with 520byte sector drives I'd be ecstatic. Instead I have to go through some serious low level SCSI gymnastics to get these drives usable at the moment.
[21:47:19] <Meths> RoyK: What's this issue? Is it fixed in illumos? Are there bugs open?
[21:48:49] <RoyK> Meths: I don't think it's fixed. IIRC a patch was rejected a year ago or something because it didn't do things correctly, and after that, I haven't heard much
[21:50:46] <kdavyd> Kurlon, the code is open source :)
[21:51:38] <Kurlon> Heh, I'm not quite at the point where I can dive into kernel code yet... I'm still flailing around with basic C hacking.
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[21:54:59] <kdavyd> Problem is, the support for 520/528b drives would hardly benefit any commercial org that works with Illumos/OI and its derivatives.
[21:55:41] <Woodstock> kdavyd: i usually just reformat them using scu. not much of a problem.
[21:55:58] <Kurlon> It'd allow reuse of drives/shelves/racks from Netapp / EMC Clarion / etc deployments while avoiding scu
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[21:59:56] <kdavyd> Kurlon - yes, I understand what it allows. Use case is there, but commercial application of that use case cannot be easily quantified.
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