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[00:02:38] <finnland_> sadly no difference
[00:15:37] <finnland_> hmm, should vboxusbmon print anything in/var/adm/messages when a device is attached?
[00:22:19] <tomww> what if you temporarily try opening permissions for the devices from above for a short time and see if that helps
[00:23:03] <tomww> access to the USB ports works in the global zone in your setup?
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[00:23:18] <tomww> I mean vbox can access them correctly?
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[00:30:39] <finnland_> tomww: yes, if i list devices in global they show show up
[00:31:47] <finnland_> ie list usbhost shows devices
[00:32:10] <finnland_> changing permissions on vboxusbmon does not seem to have an affect
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[00:55:23] <Atreju> !list
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[01:47:15] <haj> Feb 12 02:44:10 zfsnas4 genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /scsi_vhci/disk@g5000c500215ec853 (sd12) offline
[01:47:18] <haj> Feb 12 02:44:10 zfsnas4 genunix: [ID 408114 kern.info] /scsi_vhci/disk@g5000c50025a02c17 (sd17) offline
[01:47:55] <haj> Actually I don't expect these disks to be on my system... Anyone who can tell me how to make these messages stop?
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[01:51:05] <RobbieCrash> is there an equivalent to the linux program watch?
[01:57:00] <haj> RobbieCrash: Typically I do something like: while :;do <command>;sleep 120;done
[01:57:05] <haj> when watch is misssing
[02:03:19] <RobbieCrash> thanks
[02:12:16] <haj> perhaps i can solve my problem with a reconfigure boot.... hmm
[02:12:47] <bdha> devfsadm -C may clean it up.
[02:20:02] <haj> bdha: don't seem to do it... :(
[02:20:30] <haj> bdha: I guess it was referenced by a one of the used disks I've put in this rebuild system
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[02:55:18] <timclassic> Okay, I've got a weird one I haven't seen before
[02:55:48] <timclassic> Solaris' GRUB is locking up just after displaying the menu but before the automatic countdown timer starts. This is on a Mac Mini.
[02:56:16] <timclassic> This happens with the latest installer disc and with an already-installed hard drive that I moved into the system.
[02:56:35] <timclassic> I'm looking through GRUB-relates lists, but I thought someone here might have an idea.
[02:59:45] <timclassic> (The already-installed hard drive is known good on a Macbook--it's my main workstation)
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[08:51:07] <matsim> kdavyd: I dn't know what your present gear is - let's say a dumb FC-AL JBOD, a manageable box like a HP MSA head - this will determine what you can do with it
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[16:11:02] <matsim> I have come a across a question about zpool growing - if I have a pool with 3 mirrored vdevs - can the pool be grown
[16:11:35] <patdk-lap> why wouldn't it?
[16:11:41] <patdk-lap> you can always add vdevs
[16:11:45] <matsim> if I replace all disks in a mirrored pair , or do I need to replace all drives before the pool gets grown
[16:12:04] <matsim> patdk-lap (was still tryin' to type) ;)
[16:12:52] <Meths> Replace one drive at a time, when both in a vdev are done the vdev will have more available but you won't see it until all in the pool have it available AFAIK
[16:12:54] <patdk-lap> you want to grow the vdev
[16:13:31] <Meths> If you have auto expand on as you replace drives you'll see when the capacity becomes available.
[16:13:35] <patdk-lap> default also is not to automatically expand too
[16:14:08] <matsim> So I have let's say a 2x 2x 1TB pool, can I replace two of them and expand or do I need to replace all 4
[16:14:34] <matsim> ... before I can grow or autoexpand will do it for me?
[16:15:27] <patdk-lap> just as long as you replae all in a vdev it will expand
[16:15:52] <matsim> aha, that's what I wanted to know - couldn't find a viable statement on my own :)
[16:16:16] <cis> my guess is this is where variable stripe widths come into play, correct?
[16:16:37] <patdk-lap> heh? variable stripe widths have nothing to do with it
[16:16:46] <cis> so not all disks of a stripe set have to be the same size
[16:16:59] <patdk-lap> heh?
[16:17:07] <patdk-lap> all disks have to be the same size
[16:17:12] <patdk-lap> within a vdev
[16:17:17] <patdk-lap> extra space is wasted
[16:17:18] <cis> he has multiple vdevs combined into a striped set
[16:17:25] <patdk-lap> no
[16:17:32] <patdk-lap> stripes don't cross vdevs
[16:17:34] <matsim> ~ raid10
[16:17:50] <cis> matsim: right. you have mirroed vdevs, then the vdevs are striped
[16:17:58] <cis> raid 1+0
[16:18:04] <patdk-lap> in order for a file to cross a vdev it has to be >128k
[16:18:15] <patdk-lap> then still, the file might not cross vdevs
[16:18:29] <patdk-lap> if one vdev has a lot of space, compared to the others
[16:19:45] <cis> patdk-lap: so stripe width has nothing to do with this?
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[16:19:53] <patdk-lap> nope
[16:20:12] <cis> patdk-lap: so what advantage is having variable stripe width?
[16:20:17] <patdk-lap> stripe with more deals with raidz on a single vdev, also matters in mirrors, but doesn't affect mirrors much
[16:20:29] <patdk-lap> you don't allocate a single 128k for a 4k file
[16:21:13] <patdk-lap> on a mirror, whatever size it needs, it uses
[16:21:15] <cis> i see. less wasted space. thanks for clarifying :) looks like i have plenty more to learn (as always)
[16:21:25] <patdk-lap> on a raidz, it splits that 128k by how many disks you have
[16:21:37] <patdk-lap> so it might only use 16k per disks, over 8 disks or whatever
[16:22:32] <patdk-lap> if it wasn't variable, it would be forced to allocate, say, 16k per disks, min, for 9 disks for a raidz, even for a 4k file
[16:22:45] <patdk-lap> cause it would have to assume space to store the max size
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[17:00:50] <haj> the fastest way to kill a datastore with filesystems inside it?
[17:08:01] <haj> ah.. just figured out that I had a lu inside it and that was why zpool destroy failed :)
[17:08:14] * haj thinks it's been to long since he last used Solaris..
[17:08:24] <haj> or whatever you call it
[17:20:02] <Patrickdk> destroy -r :)
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[17:56:56] <chibi-hazel> Hi :)
[17:58:09] <chibi-hazel> I notice that the "upgrading openindiana" page says that "if you currently have the opensolaris.org publisher set, we would highly recommend unsetting it ..."
[17:58:25] <chibi-hazel> I have the (correct) openindiana one as my "preferred" publisher
[17:58:46] <chibi-hazel> but I also have pkg.openindiana.org/legacy as "opensolaris.org"
[17:59:16] <chibi-hazel> does the wiki mean I shouldn't have any "opensolaris.org" publisher as the "preferred" publisher, or in the list of publishers at all?
[17:59:34] <chibi-hazel> (currently on oi_148 that basically hasn't been upgraded since I installed it >_>)
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[17:59:55] <chibi-hazel> (that replaced a solaris 10 x86 box that basically hadn't been upgraded since I installed it... heh)
[18:00:19] <chibi-hazel> (though it's "only" doing NFS and CIFS serving at home)
[18:00:53] <chibi-hazel> (so there is minimal desire to mess with it so long as I can get my funny videos of cats, etc)
[18:00:54] <chibi-hazel> (heh)
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[18:08:31] <russiane39> Triskelios, you around ?
[18:19:36] <adama> chibi-hazel: you have funny videos of cats on your local nas?
[18:23:50] <chibi-hazel> adama: in case of internet-outage type emergency
[18:24:08] <russiane39> btw, I'm thinking about publishing oi151a_text_install ISO with latest CPQary3
[18:24:17] <chibi-hazel> I also have a 50 pence piece with the scouts emblem and "be prepared" on it
[18:24:18] <russiane39> because it seems like it won't be ever updated in illumos
[18:24:21] <chibi-hazel> also in case of emergency
[18:24:30] <chibi-hazel> (any emergency that requires a 50 pence piece, anyway)
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[18:25:45] <Triskelios> russiane39: not legal to redistribute it
[18:26:10] <russiane39> Triskelios, you think HP sue me ? :-D
[18:26:26] <Triskelios> well, that's your problem
[18:26:30] <chibi-hazel> heh
[18:26:38] <russiane39> HP even won't notice everything here
[18:26:42] <russiane39> because there is NO progress
[18:26:48] <russiane39> also, want to tell you about new version of sd
[18:26:51] <russiane39> it panics system
[18:27:10] <russiane39> so, the working solution is newest CPQary + non-patched sd
[18:27:19] <Triskelios> where does it panic?
[18:27:29] <russiane39> Triskelios, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-RhMUsk6ind4/TzfrTHDmN5I/AAAAAAAAA2w/0ZX1IX05lYM/s1152/2012-02-12_20-38-00_554.jpg
[18:27:45] <Triskelios> thanks
[18:28:26] <russiane39> this is new cpqary + your sd
[18:28:53] <Triskelios> yup, sd is a work in progress; haven't had time to test it locally yet
[18:29:15] <russiane39> I think wiki needs a guide of reassembling ISO
[18:29:29] <russiane39> or OI would be used by 3.5 people like now :)
[18:29:55] <chibi-hazel> ooh ooh, that's a point
[18:30:18] <russiane39> I plan on doing it
[18:30:26] <chibi-hazel> I may well install openindiana in a VM so I can play with it on my desktop without breaking stuff on my NAS
[18:30:26] <chibi-hazel> heh
[18:31:33] <russiane39> openindiana worth more than sit in VM ;)
[18:31:46] <chibi-hazel> heh
[18:31:49] <chibi-hazel> well
[18:31:54] <chibi-hazel> my desktop has 24GB of ram
[18:32:03] <russiane39> too small for serious work
[18:32:05] <russiane39> mine has 48Gb
[18:32:16] <chibi-hazel> haha
[18:32:26] <chibi-hazel> well, an i5 was all I could afford :P
[18:32:41] <russiane39> I has two Xeon E5540 on desktop and pretty happy with them
[18:32:51] <chibi-hazel> and I ended up putting two 8GB modules and two 4GB modules in there
[18:33:18] <russiane39> although, I don't feel this is OI related
[18:33:23] <chibi-hazel> (the old triple-core i7 was old enough that it performs worse than the i5 I ended up buying)
[18:33:33] <chibi-hazel> (er. triple-channel even)
[18:33:45] <chibi-hazel> (and I can't afford the new quad-channel i7 stuff :P)
[18:33:52] <chibi-hazel> probably not :P
[18:45:23] <russiane39> Triskelios, OI text installer don't have feature to switch and see what's happening in log or console feature ?
[18:45:30] <russiane39> noone cared about stealing that from NCP installer ? :)
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[18:46:57] <Triskelios> NCP uses screen, iirc
[18:47:14] <Triskelios> we could enable VTs as well
[18:55:13] <russiane39> I think it would be wise
[18:55:49] <russiane39> for last 15 minutes I observer "preparing disk for OpenIndiana Installation" and see progress bar with 2%
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[19:16:53] <chibi-hazel> hmm
[19:17:03] <chibi-hazel> if I've done an upgrade and created a new BE
[19:17:07] <chibi-hazel> and I want to reboot into it
[19:17:21] <chibi-hazel> "shutdown -y -g 0 -i 6 ..." will do a "fast" reboot, will that work?
[19:17:27] <chibi-hazel> or do I need to somehow do a "slow" reboot?
[19:18:23] <chibi-hazel> ah, I can turn fast reboot off with svccfg...
[19:18:29] <chibi-hazel> do I need to?
[19:20:49] <tomww> no
[19:21:41] <chibi-hazel> ah, OK, and so I should just use "shutdown", and not "reboot -f -e oi_151a"?
[19:21:49] <Tenzer> Btw chibi-hazel, instead of that long shutdown command, then juse use "init 6", much shorter :)
[19:21:54] <chibi-hazel> heh
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[19:22:20] <chibi-hazel> I thought using telinit was frowned upon these days ;)
[19:22:31] <chibi-hazel> or is that only in linux circles?
[19:22:50] <Patrickdk> didn't think telinit has existed on linux for a decade or so
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[19:24:35] <chibi-hazel> $ dpkg -S /sbin/telinit
[19:24:35] <chibi-hazel> sysvinit: /sbin/telinit
[19:24:58] <chibi-hazel> (on debian wheezy)
[19:25:17] <Patrickdk> but it doesn't do telinit stuff
[19:25:24] <Patrickdk> it's just a wrapper script to do it the new way
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[19:43:02] <chibi-hazel> Patrickdk: hmm?
[19:43:08] <chibi-hazel> $ file /sbin/telinit
[19:43:08] <chibi-hazel> /sbin/telinit: symbolic link to `init'
[19:43:16] <chibi-hazel> afaict, on debian, init is still sysvinit
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[19:51:58] <Patrickdk> must be older debian
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[20:08:12] <chibi-hazel> Patrickdk: how old are we talking? this is debian testing, though maybe I haven't opted into some newer thing during an upgrade
[20:08:25] <chibi-hazel> I know they use dependency-based startup... but it's implemented as a bodge in shell
[20:08:29] <chibi-hazel> not as a modified init binary
[20:08:30] <chibi-hazel> aiui
[20:24:19] <Patrickdk> hmm, debian switched to upstart
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[20:33:36] <chibi-hazel> hmm, I haven't updated my debian testing (wheezy) install in a little while, I know that upstart is an option, but I wasn't aware it had become the default...
[20:33:53] <chibi-hazel> looking at a mailing list post from 7th Jan 2012, it was still being discussed at that date what might replace sysvinit
[20:34:02] <chibi-hazel> and upstart and systemd were both in the running
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[23:26:56] <bodie> hi all, in case someone is interested Citrix Receiver runs fine on OpenIndiana 151a
[23:28:50] <Meths> Any version or a specific version?
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[23:32:26] <bodie> 8.63 http://forums.citrix.com/thread.jspa?threadID=298591 , needs compatibility/ucb and SUNWdtbas packages as well
[23:32:26] <bodie> sound output is working as well
[23:32:34] <bodie> newer versions seems to be only for Linux even as there are parts for SunOS in install scripts, but dit not check details about them yet
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[23:33:52] <bodie> http://www.citrix.com/site/ss/downloads/details.asp?downloadId=2309165&productId=1689163
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[23:35:24] <bodie> will be fine to have this one as well :-) http://devio.us/~kpedersen/index.php
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