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[00:32:29] <hjf> I'm trying to install OI on an IBM x3200 server, with a USB stick. but it only gets to GRUB and doesn't do anything else
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[00:32:37] <Kurlon> ...it appears I'm severely lacking in supported hardware in my home test lab.
[00:35:18] <ctable> the x3200 should work hfj... try a dvd (annoying i know) and see if the same problem occurs... does the usbstick get further on other hardware?
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[00:38:21] <hjf> ctable: yeah it worked on my hp microserver (iirc) and a regular asus board. gonna try a dvd
[00:38:37] <Kurlon> How are you liking that microserver hjf?
[00:38:58] <hjf> Kurlon: been running since march. i love it
[00:39:26] <Kurlon> I assume OpenIndiana has no issues with the HW?
[00:40:06] <hjf> Kurlon: i don't remember running OI permanently on it. solaris 11 express worked great
[00:40:13] <Kurlon> Cool
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[00:51:20] <hjf> ctable: dvd install seems to be working
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[00:53:37] <hjf> crap, i burned the GUI installer image
[00:55:43] <hjf> damn, this is one of those days
[00:55:54] <hjf> someone cracked the glass door on my shop
[00:55:59] <hjf> the usb boot wasn't working
[00:56:34] <hjf> and my biggest problem right now... i don't have any drive trays for this
[00:56:54] <hjf> i ordered the server with no drives. i didn't imagine the trays were sold separately (HP includes them with the microserver)
[00:57:20] <hjf> that should teach me to play with the big boys
[00:58:37] <Kurlon> If it's a hot swap rated HP server, they won't sell you the trays normally, you're supposed to buy HP hotswap drives at craaaAAAaaazy prices.
[00:58:53] <Kurlon> Royal PITA
[01:00:29] <hjf> it's an ibm
[01:01:20] <viridari> *cough*ebay*cough*
[01:01:28] <ctable> hehe
[01:01:39] <Kurlon> Oh, no idea how they roll on that front then. :D
[01:01:55] <Kurlon> I'll stop trying to dig up the HP PN for a bare tray now... :D
[01:02:08] <viridari> 3.5" or 2.5"?
[01:02:23] <hjf> 3.5
[01:02:58] <hjf> it includes a nice SAS adapter and all
[01:02:59] <viridari> like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/290664039701
[01:04:15] <hjf> HA! http://www.ebay.com/itm/for-IBM-3-5-Simple-Swap-SAS-SATA-bracket-tray-X3200-/220595043641?pt=COMP_EN_Networking_Components&hash=item335c7d3d39
[01:04:22] <hjf> a plastic tray, non-IBM
[01:04:30] <hjf> seems like i'm not the first one to get the surprise
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[02:12:45] <hjf> what the hell?
[02:13:12] <hjf> i tried to enable the serial console (console=ttyb) on grub but it just reboots when i select it
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[03:37:41] <russiane39> oi_151a supports 32bit machine ?
[03:37:55] <russiane39> I have old XeonMP box with 32Gb of RAM
[03:38:06] <russiane39> this box supports only 32bit + PAE
[03:43:39] <richlowe> should run
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[04:04:24] <russiane39> richlowe, for me it reboots
[04:04:37] <russiane39> I forgot how to force booting in 32bit mode
[04:04:50] <russiane39> *reboots after reading miniroot from cdrom
[04:05:01] <richlowe> You shouldn't need to force it to boot 32bit
[04:06:08] <russiane39> but it reboots, and I want to run OI on that box :)
[04:06:18] <russiane39> maybe you have any other ideas about rebooting ?
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[04:07:37] <richlowe> add -k to the boot options in grub so it doesn't reboot, and instead says what went wrong.
[04:07:46] <richlowe> hit 'e', hit 'e' again on the kernel$ line, add -k to the end
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[04:08:17] <richlowe> if you really want to force 32bit as well, delete the $ISADIR/ part of the kernel$ and module$ lines
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[04:08:44] <russiane39> richlowe, I'm familiar with grub :)
[04:08:57] <russiane39> funny, NCP 3.01 (134 onnv based) is boots on this box
[04:09:04] <hjf> richlowe: is it a good idea to run -k all the time?
[04:09:29] <russiane39> richlowe, will try to boot -k to see what is wrong
[04:10:30] <richlowe> hjf: in general, people prefer machines to save a dump and reboot when they crash
[04:10:30] <richlowe> but if it's resetting really soon after boot, or otherwise not crashing normally, you don't really have a choice
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[04:10:57] <hjf> hmm... cpupm is enabled in power.conf and yet current_clock_Hz is at max
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[04:11:50] <hjf> richlowe: i remember a while ago i had a problem with SATA or ZFS (or both). the machine didn't reboot or hang. it just "stopped" but it responded to BREAK on the serial console and i had to dump manually.
[04:12:00] <russiane39> interesting, there is no chance for using SmartArray 5i driver for S10 on OI ?
[04:12:35] <russiane39> http://blogs.oracle.com/pradhap/entry/solaris_hp_server_installation
[04:12:43] <russiane39> looks like idiotic HP as usual doing strange things :)
[04:15:38] <hjf> oh, lol, kstat -m cpu_info -s current_clock_Hz shows 2.4GHz but powertop says otherwise
[04:21:09] <[1]kdavyd> hjf, is powertop showing C-States or P-States changing?
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[04:29:37] <Triskelios> russiane39: correctly written S10 drivers should work
[04:30:03] <russiane39> Triskelios, seems CPQarray is at least in NCP package, I will see what happens with oi after booting
[04:30:24] <russiane39> this HP DL760 G2 box is really funny to work with, 8 socket Xeon MP with PC-133 memory :-D
[04:30:57] <Triskelios> I still have machines with PC-133, but they're sparc
[04:31:14] <russiane39> I have lovely sparcs even with FPM :)
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[04:44:01] <hjf> [1]kdavyd: i just shut down the server. but the frequency was changing and C-states too
[04:45:01] * Hedonisto is away: "It's not enough that we win; all others must lose".
[04:45:58] <hjf> Hedonisto: is this you? https://imgur.com/gallery/M6quz
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[05:28:30] <crsd> lol
[05:30:11] <ianj> awesome yearbook quote
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[05:53:19] <russiane39> richlowe, I dropped to debugger
[05:53:29] <russiane39> when booted with -k switch
[05:54:01] <russiane39> looking at trace - seems something cpqary3 related
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[06:00:01] <Triskelios> russiane39: that's https://illumos.org/issues/348
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[06:01:25] <Triskelios> russiane39: you can be my first test subject for that bug, http://trisk.deadgerbil.com/sd_sbc-3/ has test binaries for sd
[06:02:16] <russiane39> let me show you photo of kernel panic first
[06:03:00] <russiane39> Triskelios, https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aN_tb_3Ypws/TzSk1auQslI/AAAAAAAAA2Y/1FHf45zYzIs/s1152/2012-02-10_08-57-25_168.jpg
[06:04:08] <russiane39> where can I get .iso with your fixes?
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[06:05:27] <Triskelios> that's definitely the same as #1129, not 100% it was correctly marked as a duplicate of #348
[06:05:30] <Triskelios> not 100% sure
[06:06:16] <Triskelios> nowhere. you'll have to disable cpqary3 until after install
[06:06:26] <russiane39> and how can I install without cpqary3 ? :)
[06:06:35] <russiane39> this machine has internal drives wired to this controller
[06:06:41] <russiane39> and I can't replace it with another unfortunately
[06:06:46] <russiane39> it is 8way xeon mp box
[06:07:28] <Triskelios> ah
[06:07:36] <Triskelios> does it boot from USB?
[06:07:44] <russiane39> I think no
[06:07:47] <russiane39> bios is from 2004
[06:08:00] <russiane39> but I can try
[06:09:02] <Triskelios> there's a tool (that boots from CD) you can use if the BIOS doesn't do it
[06:09:44] <russiane39> I'm here to test your changes
[06:09:54] <russiane39> just drop me something to test :)
[06:10:49] <Triskelios> what would be fastest is probably to take the OI or SmartOS USB image and replace sd on it
[06:11:28] <Triskelios> oh, not SmartOS, it's amd64 only
[06:11:28] <russiane39> smartos won't fit
[06:11:40] <russiane39> yes
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[06:16:55] <Triskelios> I can walk you through that if you have an image handy
[06:17:29] <russiane39> I have downloaded latest image and I'm booted linux
[06:18:13] <Triskelios> er, won't be able to do it in Linux
[06:18:19] <Triskelios> need to loopback mount UFS
[06:18:59] <russiane39> oh, I have also Fire V240
[06:19:05] <russiane39> with sxce_151
[06:19:19] <Triskelios> okay
[06:19:41] <russiane39> so, I need to grab latest .iso to him ?
[06:20:36] <russiane39> or only USB will fit ?
[06:21:04] <Triskelios> USB would be easier... I don't want to have to figure out the right invocation for mkisofs
[06:21:48] <Triskelios> PLoP is the boot loader that should let you boot from USB without BIOS support
[06:22:01] <Triskelios> (you'd need to boot PLoP itself from a floppy or CD)
[06:22:10] <russiane39> ok
[06:22:14] <russiane39> downloading usb image
[06:23:04] <Triskelios> text install image is smaller
[06:23:45] <russiane39> yes, I'm downloading it
[06:23:56] <russiane39> funny, usb image is almost 100Mb bigger than .iso
[06:25:24] <russiane39> Triskelios, downloaded
[06:25:27] <russiane39> what's next ?
[06:25:52] <Triskelios> mount it somewhere
[06:26:59] <russiane39> mount it like .iso, right ?
[06:27:19] <russiane39> I mean with lofi ?
[06:27:49] <Triskelios> yeah, mount -F ufs -o loop ...
[06:28:08] <Triskelios> (or alternatively, lofiadm -a ... && mount /dev/lofi/1)
[06:28:12] <russiane39> oh, I thought doing lofiadm -a oi-dev-151a-text-x86.usb
[06:28:52] <Triskelios> yeah, the -o loop shortcut is a recent addition
[06:29:08] <russiane39> # mount -o rw -F ufs /dev/lofi/1 /mnt/oidev/
[06:29:08] <russiane39> mount: /dev/lofi/1 is not this fstype
[06:29:19] <russiane39> it is ISO fs
[06:29:23] <russiane39> *cd9660
[06:30:14] <Triskelios> o_O the USB image should be UFS...
[06:30:28] <Triskelios> I have one right here
[06:30:44] <russiane39> probably lofiadm is bad way to do that
[06:31:35] <russiane39> maybe 4Mb file should be also added ?
[06:31:46] <russiane39> http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/1G.header - I'm talking about this
[06:32:33] <Triskelios> no, that's for booting only
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[06:32:49] <russiane39> # mount -F ufs -o loop oi-dev-151a-text-x86.usb /mnt/oidev/
[06:32:49] <russiane39> mount: oi-dev-151a-text-x86.usb is not this fstype
[06:32:52] <russiane39> so, that's what I have
[06:34:04] <russiane39> # uname -a
[06:34:04] <russiane39> SunOS v240 5.11 snv_151a sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V240
[06:34:04] <Triskelios> [trisk@kirin]% digest -a md5 /export/media/oi-dev-151a-text-x86.usb /mnt
[06:34:07] <Triskelios> c50fc4b28d3301219a261b2c233502df
[06:34:45] <russiane39> mine digest is 616cbb77e3a386f044cf7e4694de48be
[06:34:45] <Triskelios> hm, that doesn't match the official one
[06:34:53] <Triskelios> yeah, yours is correct
[06:35:29] <russiane39> yea, I've checked md5 already :)
[06:36:12] <crsd> file -s says oi-dev-151a-text-x86.usb: Unix Fast File system [v1] (little-endian), last mounted on /ssd/dc/text_mode_x86/build_dat...
[06:36:25] <Triskelios> I think I figured out why the image is larger though
[06:36:35] <Triskelios> there are two copies of the platform directory on it
[06:37:14] <russiane39> where can I get your magic .usb, which could be mounted ? :)
[06:38:17] <Triskelios> oh man, does the UFS driver not deal with endian conversion?
[06:38:42] <russiane39> I think he shouldn't do endian conversion
[06:38:53] <russiane39> oh, let me try on belenix.v12.su
[06:38:55] <russiane39> it's x86 box
[06:38:59] <Triskelios> the formats are different for LE vs BE
[06:44:29] <russiane39> Triskelios, on x86 it mounted
[06:44:34] <russiane39> so, what's next
[06:45:27] <Triskelios> do you also have ./platform/i86pc/boot_archive and ./boot/platform/i86pc/boot_archive?
[06:46:46] <russiane39> yes and I feel that /platform/i86pc is amd64 only
[06:46:59] <russiane39> ah, sorry
[06:47:07] <russiane39> yes, I have boot_archive at both locations
[06:47:17] <Triskelios> okay, I figured out why the USB image is larger
[06:47:27] <russiane39> it has 64bit also ?
[06:47:32] <Triskelios> that appears to be an accident
[06:47:36] <Triskelios> it has two copies of platform
[06:47:47] <russiane39> well, at least something positive today :)
[06:48:26] <Triskelios> anyway, mount boot_archive
[06:48:34] <russiane39> which one ?
[06:48:34] <Triskelios> either one, just pick one
[06:48:48] <russiane39> ok, as UFS too ?
[06:49:46] <Triskelios> actually just delete boot/platform, it's probably not useful
[06:50:49] <Triskelios> oh I forgot, boot_archive is gzip compressed
[06:51:28] <russiane39> and then mount as UFS ?
[06:51:31] <Triskelios> gunzip -c platform/i86pc/boot_archive > /some/file && mount -F ufs -o loop /some/file /someothermountpoint
[06:51:33] <Triskelios> right
[06:51:55] <russiane39> done
[06:52:12] <russiane39> what's next ?
[06:53:53] <Triskelios> overwrite the 32-bit sd
[06:55:54] * Hedonisto is back (gone 02:10:52)
[06:56:11] <russiane39> I can't find him
[06:56:56] <Triskelios> should be just under kernel
[06:57:01] <Triskelios> find . -name sd
[06:58:33] <russiane39> ah found
[06:58:38] <russiane39> kernel/drv/sd
[07:00:48] <russiane39> Triskelios, just replace it with this ? http://trisk.deadgerbil.com/sd_sbc-3/obj32/sd
[07:02:29] <Triskelios> yeah
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[07:02:57] <Triskelios> then gzip -9 boot_archive and copy it back
[07:03:05] <Triskelios> (without the .gz suffix)
[07:03:13] <Triskelios> unmount it first, of course
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[07:04:53] <Triskelios> might have to do the same for solaris.zlib to keep SMF from complaining on boot though
[07:05:17] <Triskelios> (it's the image for the main filesystem)
[07:09:02]
[07:11:01] <Triskelios> should be able to cd into the directory for the module and run make, although it has some dependencies
[07:11:18] <Triskelios> "how to build components" might cover this
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[07:12:21] <russiane39> Triskelios, what tool should I use for solaris.zlib ?
[07:12:26] <russiane39> for unpacking
[07:12:31] <russiane39> gzip don't want to extrac it
[07:12:44] <russiane39> *extract
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[07:14:18] <Triskelios> russiane39: unlzma -c apparently
[07:14:32] <russiane39> where can I get it ?
[07:15:06] <russiane39> pkg install xz I hope
[07:15:40] <Triskelios> hm "unlzma: solaris.zlib: File format not recognized"
[07:15:45] <russiane39> yes
[07:18:00] <Triskelios> oh it's hsfs
[07:18:01] <Triskelios> just mount it directly
[07:18:01] <Triskelios> should be writable
[07:18:06] <russiane39> mount -F hsfs -o loop ?
[07:18:51] <russiane39> mount: solaris.zlib on /mnt/oidev2 - WARNING ignoring option "rw"
[07:23:02] <russiane39> Triskelios, I can't mount it r/w
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[07:33:00] <russiane39> Triskelios, Moinak said that there is no way to mount solariz.zlib rw
[07:35:14] <russiane39> Triskelios, he said it should be recreated. You know how ?
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[07:39:36] <Triskelios> russiane39: http://blogs.oracle.com/naveen/entry/how_to_change_grub_login
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[07:50:22] <russiane39> <Moinak Ghosh> but hold on even with that you will have to patch HDD install
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[07:51:20] <russiane39> Triskelios, most funny, but in solaris.zlib there is no sd in kernel/drv
[07:51:38] <russiane39> also, I don't have /usr/share/distro_const , mentioned in guide
[07:51:53] <Triskelios> ah, guess I wasted your time with that
[07:52:13] <russiane39> well, nope I learned very much
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[07:52:20] <Triskelios> wait, I'd be really surprised if boot_archive was sufficient though
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[07:52:45] <Triskelios> try it with just boot_archive updated, see if it boots
[07:52:49] <russiane39> ok
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[08:22:00] <russiane39> Triskelios, one epic fail. Machine don't have USB at all :-D
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[10:25:29] <gvm1> Hi guys. I'm having some problems with CIFS on OI148. The OI server has entered a state where it responds instantly to any NT Notify requesty. AFAIUI it should wait until something changes in the monitored directory and then send a response. This has very serious performance implications.
[10:26:18] <tsoome> you may wanna upgrade to 151 first
[10:26:22] <gvm1> It's in this state right now, but I'm going to have to reboot it very soon. Any suggestions as to debugging procedures before I do this? I've seen this server do exactly the same thing before.
[10:26:35] <richlowe> tsoome: don't recall a fix
[10:26:36] <gvm1> Tsoome: That's not an option at this moment.
[10:26:46] <gvm1> Is it a known problem?
[10:26:49] <richlowe> gvm1: file an illumos bug, add gordon ross as a watcher.
[10:26:51] <richlowe> I haven't heard of it.
[10:26:59] <richlowe> but gordon seems to be constantly chin-deep in cifs bugs.
[10:27:04] <richlowe> so he may have
[10:27:25] <gvm1> Any suggestions as to debugging actions before I reboot?
[10:27:32] <gvm1> I have some wireshark logs.
[10:27:33] <tsoome> is there some kind of "fix" list from 148 to 151?
[10:27:34] <richlowe> I don't know anything about CIFS, sorry.
[10:28:08] <richlowe> If you want to be absolutely safe, get packet traces, gcore any cifs processes, and force a crashdump when you reboot so all the state gets saved.
[10:28:13] <richlowe> I suspect that's probably not overly useful though.
[10:28:26] <richlowe> tsoome: "everything in illumos up until the changeset they released"
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[10:31:26] <gvm1> richlowe: This is OI148 - would Illumos be interested? I thought that 148 was still OpenSolaris kernel?
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[10:34:14] <gvm1> I have seen this bug occur before on this system, and a reboot fixed it last time, so I'm optimistic that it will do again.
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[10:35:45] <richlowe> gvm1: we'd be interested because it's probably still broken.
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[11:45:44] <tsoome> whee: feb 10 12:37:25.477171 afpd[28537] {uams_gss.c:324} (D5:UAMS): acquire credentials: acquiring credentials (uid = 0, keytab = /etc/krb5/krb5.keytab)
[11:45:52] <tsoome> damn im good:P
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[12:19:47] <altker128> Anyone here using netatalk (Apple FP) on OI? I wanted to figure out the pros/cons vs. using NFS3 with MacOSX clients.
[12:22:48] <richlowe> major pro is that timemachine continues to work with Lion
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[12:24:12] <richlowe> not sure of other stuff, I only really use it for TM. The random directories it creates for its own purposes annoy me.
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[12:53:39] <tsoome> if you have laptop and moving between different networks then smb/afp can be less painful
[12:54:32] <tsoome> otherwise afp is pretty nice, also the search boost is nice
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[17:29:36] <H4X0R-1337> Is there an easy way to get full multimedia codecs in oi151a ?
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[18:01:59] <hjf_> well, after spending the whole morning fighting with the ibm x3200 it seems that the problem was it didn't like the RAM I put in it
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[18:33:06] <michal_> hey
[18:33:17] <michal_> i'd like to start openindiana installer in text mode from ssh connection
[18:33:20] <michal_> what's the command?
[18:35:50] <michal_> ok, lol, figured it out, could not be simpler - text-install
[18:36:44] <hjf> is it possible to access an ibm x3200 IPMI controller from OI?
[18:37:02] <hjf> i've never used an IPMI before. i don't know if it's generic or if it needs special drivers :P
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[18:47:14] <Okona> try ipmitool
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[20:13:52] <RoyK> hrmf! I have this pool which is currently resilvering. Until a few hours ago, there was a bit of traffic on it (zfs send to somewhere else in case the shit hits the fan), but now it's idle-ish. however, it still says it's going to spend some 140 hours to finish resilver. would it help to disable resilvering to one of the drives? it's currently resilvering two... http://paste.ubuntu.com/836937/
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[20:38:52] <Tenzer> I need some help with debugging why a Perl script wont run. The script is on top here and with the output underneath: https://gist.github.com/1792048
[20:39:27] <Tenzer> I should say that I don't really know perl per say, and it's just a script I found online which works on an OI box but not this SmartOS zone where I need it now
[20:39:50] <Tenzer> I have tried to change "%mirror" to "&mirror", that doesn't really help :/
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[20:43:11] <Hurri> Tenzer: Is that "GeoIPCity.dat.gz" in the code uncommented?
[20:43:47] <Hurri> It looks like it's supposed to be part of the comment line above it. (Line 24)
[20:44:29] <Tenzer> Hurri: Hmm, yes, that's uncommented
[20:44:48] <Tenzer> I'll just try to comment that out, I can see it is here where I got the source from: http://forum.maxmind.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1453
[20:44:55] <Triskelios> that would be the problem
[20:45:30] <Tenzer> Hurri: Great, that worked. The error messages from perl just threw me off in the wrong direction :P
[20:46:00] <Hurri> The maxwind link shows it being on the same line as the rest.
[20:46:20] <Tenzer> Yeah, it must have happend when I copy/pasted the code
[20:47:36] <altker128> richlowe: Can you disable AFP's random directory creation?
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[20:51:47] <tsoome> random?
[21:02:26] <altker128> tsoome: Do you use AFP/netatalk?
[21:02:38] <tsoome> i do
[21:02:48] <tsoome> mostly for backup tho
[21:02:50] <altker128> tsoome: What's your opinion of netatalk vs. NFSv3?
[21:03:29] <tsoome> i rather use afp/smb than nfs because of laptop. and timemachine, as told already
[21:03:31] <altker128> I'd like to setup a NAS and use OI as my main store, so I can export it via NFS, CIFS or AFP. I'm leaning towards AFP and then NFS.
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[21:04:21] <tsoome> with afp its quite as with samba - you need to update
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[21:05:13] <tsoome> in that sense, the in kernel smb and nfs are "easier"
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[21:06:01] <altker128> OSX/Finder are bad about littering creating a bunch of .ds_store type stuff. Does that occur if you use AFP?
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[21:08:03] <tsoome> yes, indeed
[21:08:24] <tsoome> and netatalk is not using extended attributes but .Apple* directories
[21:08:47] <altker128> hrm. Did you ever try to benchmark NFS3 performance in Snow ?
[21:08:54] <tsoome> .ds_store is just as same as in MS world for icons and directory layout
[21:09:02] <altker128> Yeah, resource fork?
[21:09:49] <tsoome> think resource forks are in .Apple*
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[21:10:04] <tsoome> I have only lion
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[21:18:18] <altker128> tsoome: Did you do any NFS with Lion?
[21:19:22] * RoyK has tried a bit with snow leopard and hasn't had too much success
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[21:21:15] <altker128> RoyK: NFS or AFP?
[21:21:57] <tsoome> only a bit, to see how nfv3 and kerberos are doing
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[21:23:12] <tsoome> but it seem to do pretty well.
[21:23:14] <RoyK> altker128: nfs - afp works like a charm
[21:23:28] <RoyK> altker128: haven't tried with oi on the server, though - running linux on this box
[21:24:52] <altker128> RoyK: Any work-arounds for the 'litering' of OSX?
[21:24:55] <RoyK> but then, it's netatalk...
[21:25:00] <RoyK> litering?
[21:26:12] <altker128> RoyK: You know, stuff like .ds_store
[21:26:32] <altker128> I know there are tweaks to turn that off for CIFS/Samba network shares, but not sure about AFP.
[21:26:41] <Kurlon> There is a tweak you can do to temp disable the auto-creation of those files on an OS X box, but it's not well documented.
[21:27:10] <altker128> RoyK: You say you're using netatalk on Linux, do you ever export the same file system via anything else for other machines to access? i.e. AFP for your OSX machine and Samba/NFS for say Linux clientsS?
[21:27:42] <altker128> Kurlon: I've heard that for 'network shares', but not sure if that applied to AFP.
[21:29:48] <tsoome> why you wanna disable them anyhow
[21:30:11] <tsoome> they will speed up directory presentation in finder
[21:30:52] <RoyK> altker128: no, single client
[21:31:07] <RoyK> so the "littering" isn't really a problem
[21:32:53] <altker128> tsoome: Honestly, becasue I find it kind of offensive to be littering the folders with that data ; I think it's mostly for Spotlight.
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[21:34:16] <altker128> For the most part, OSX will be the client
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[21:34:36] <altker128> But I might need to export to Linux or Windows and that stuff shows up
[21:34:54] <altker128> RoyK: What kind of performance do you get using AFP?
[21:35:17] <RoyK> it's ok
[21:35:22] <RoyK> I think "sufficient"
[21:35:29] <RoyK> meaning the network is the bottleneck
[21:35:35] <tsoome> its the thing you get from those gui systems, as i wrote the windows does create similar files
[21:36:27] <altker128> tsoome: Well you can turn off the thumbs stuff if you disable that feature (which I do)
[21:37:09] <tsoome> an you loose in in performance. so, its win-loose situation;)
[21:39:12] <altker128> heh
[21:41:53] <tsoome> tbh, i am more disturbed about .Apple* directories, implementing extended attributes use would be fun, but it would require some time...
[21:42:09] <RoyK> anyway... I tried asking this earlier; I have this pool which is currently resilvering. Until a few hours ago, there was a bit of traffic on it (zfs send to somewhere else in case the shit hits the fan), but now it's idle-ish. however, it still says it's going to spend some 140 hours to finish resilver. would it help to disable resilvering to one of the drives? it's currently resilvering two... http://paste.ubuntu.com/836937/
[21:42:20] <altker128> tsoome: Can you explain? extended attributes like owner, permissions, etc?
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[21:50:34] <tsoome> man fsattr in solaris
[21:50:40] <altker128> OK, will do, thx.
[21:51:04] <Kurlon> Thats um... a LOT of disks RoyK... is that one of the infamous 'Thumper' boxes?
[21:55:30] <Botanic> RoyK, it would prolly make it faster
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[21:59:56] <RoyK> Kurlon: that's not a lot of disks, this is :P http://paste.ubuntu.com/837064/
[22:00:30] <Botanic> RoyK, you have lots of drive problems dont ya :)
[22:01:00] <RoyK> Botanic: not anymore :P
[22:01:24] <RoyK> Botanic: I *had* a truckload of issues with WD FASS drives and LSI 3081/3801
[22:01:32] <altker128> Hopefully the drives have mounts to dampen the vibrations.
[22:01:37] <RoyK> with LSI 92xx and deskstars, it works well
[22:05:24] <Kurlon> And here I was thinking my e-Machine with a 2 x 1GB FC card and a 14 x 36GB 3U rack sled was cool.
[22:05:43] <RoyK> well, it is...
[22:05:46] <RoyK> isn't it?
[22:05:55] <RoyK> my 100TB boxes are just lame
[22:06:34] * RoyK will be setting up a new 80TB box next week, 80TB net storage with striped mirrors, 2,5TiB L2ARC, lots of memory...
[22:09:01] <Kurlon> What are you building these arrays out of?
[22:09:39] <RoyK> supermicro stuff
[22:09:54] <RoyK> lsi controllers and hitachi deskstar drives
[22:10:11] <RoyK> some of them with 10Gbps in the back
[22:10:24] <Kurlon> You trust deskstars? I didn't think they had TLDR or whatever Hitachi is calling it these days?
[22:11:07] <RoyK> TLER is a WD thing
[22:11:28] <RoyK> AFAICS it's programmable on hitachi
[22:13:37] <RoyK> and if the last batch we got from WD somewhat indicates that WD desktop drives these days are those who failed all other tests
[22:17:23] <cis> are there any media streaming projects for open indiana? i.e. daap
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[22:19:11] <hjf> no hot swap trays? no problem. http://i.imgur.com/nwUuK.jpg
[22:23:36] <Triskelios> hjf: I TOTALLY did that for my Netra t1s...
[22:24:19] <matsim> I have seen similar pictures but for some HP JBODs since they only sell you disk with trays
[22:25:31] <cis> why not just pony up the few bucks to get some trays off ebay?
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[22:26:26] <hjf> cis: yeah this is just for testing
[22:27:31] <altker128> RoyK: Did you use WD desktop or RE-series? RE is enterprise class (according to WD).
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[22:27:59] <cis> testing or not, i'd hate to lose disks due to an accident, which could've been avoided. :s
[22:29:44] <hjf> cis: I'm not in the US or europe. if i order those, they will take at least 1 month to arrive (probably 2 months)
[22:31:36] <hjf> ok i discovered 1 thing today:
[22:31:43] <cis> :( sometimes you just gotta make due
[22:31:57] <hjf> if you buy a brand name server, make sure you buy it preconfigured and preloaded with the OS
[22:32:20] <hjf> in 20 years with computers i've never wasted so much time trying to make something work
[22:32:42] <hjf> braindead "uefi" bios that takes 2 minutes to load
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[22:33:12] <hjf> and stupid "not supported" hardware (god, it can't even see a SI3132 SATA controller)
[22:34:03] <hjf> because it has a SATA port for an optical drive, which works with a hard disk. but the BIOS (sorry, i mean "UEFI") only accepts 4 HDDs. so when i plug 4HDDs to the SAS controller, the disk on the SATA port disappears
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[22:36:51] <RoyK> altker128: FASS is a "black" drive, desktop that is
[22:37:08] <RoyK> altker128: but, incidentially, nexenta has dropped ALL support for WD drives
[22:41:42] <hjf> RoyK: lol, why?
[22:44:55] <RoyK> ask them
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