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[04:16:21] * viridari_ stabs the oi wiki
[04:18:07] <viridari_> http://wiki.openindiana.org/users/viewmyemailsettings.action <- email settings are forced on, can't be unchecked... seems like most of what I get is helpful notifications of new spam in the wiki
[04:18:55] <viridari_> nevermind... Atlassian software... I have a special plate of hate for it
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[07:19:13] <phiware> newbie here, I am trying to follow the steps here: http://b.andre.pagesperso-orange.fr/openindiana-ntfs-3g.html
[07:19:20] <phiware> but fail at the first step :(
[07:19:46] <phiware> How do I install the fusers package?
[07:20:21] <phiware> pls help
[07:25:11] <phiware> nm, I didn't know I had to `pkg set-publisher -p http://pkg.openindiana.org/sfe`
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[07:36:49] <vados> pkg search -p fusefs
[07:37:18] <vados> pkg install fusifs
[07:37:51] <vados> *fusefs
[07:38:53] <phiware> thanks but I figured it out in the end…
[07:44:17] <phiware> I have another question, about special files/device blocks (whatever they are called…)
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[07:44:57] <phiware> Why do I have so many of them in /dev/dsk and how am I to know which one is actually my disk...
[07:45:01] <phiware> ?
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[07:52:39] <[1]kdavyd> phiware, those are slices and partitions
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[07:54:41] <phiware> …so c0d0p0 is the entire drive connected as the master on the first IDE cable?
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[07:57:24] <matsim> should be, it's c(ontroller) d(isk) s(lice) as I'd say - which then makes more sense than sda1, sda2 etc :)
[07:58:48] <phiware> `spool status` shows that c2d0s0 is ONLINE
[08:00:07] <phiware> but what about the other partitions? how am I supposed to know what's what?
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[08:01:26] <phiware> hmm, ok, it looks like I have 6 possible controllers, 0-5 (not sure where they all are on my board…)
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[08:01:59] <phiware> c2 has two disks, which makes sense :)
[08:04:03] <phiware> iostat, that's the command I wanted to know, thank you!
[08:04:11] <[1]kdavyd> I guess so. Depends on your hardware :)
[08:04:13] <phiware> (I have a lot of man pages to read)
[08:05:48] <phiware> hey what does the 't' in c3t1d0 refer to? (it's a carom drive)
[08:05:54] <phiware> carom*
[08:06:01] <phiware> cdrom*
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[08:07:06] <phiware> c5t0d0 is a usb stick...
[08:08:23] <[1]kdavyd> http://initialprogramload.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-solaris-disk-device-names-work.html
[08:10:48] <phiware> thanks for the info… I'll have a read
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[08:23:03] <kdavyd> :( this send/recv is so slow... i need to sleep
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[08:24:01] <phiware> g'night, thx again
[08:24:35] <kdavyd> night
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[15:08:37] <aphrek> hi all
[15:10:32] <Tenzer> Hello
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[17:06:50] <Alasdairrr> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cypromis/6841566993/in/set-72157629231536389#/photos/cypromis/6841566993/in/set-72157629231536389/lightbox/
[17:07:26] <Tenzer> Alasdairrr: Was that the longest working URL you could come up with? :P
[17:07:50] <Alasdairrr> :-D
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[17:33:41] <alanc> Tenzer: by Oracle standards, that's a tiny URL - lots of our apps generate URL's that wrap around 4 or 5 lines
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[17:39:49] <Tenzer> alanc: Well, Oracle is a database company and need to show that they can manage that much data, I guess :P
[17:40:15] <alanc> or simply not a web design company...
[17:40:21] <Tenzer> That could also be it
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[18:03:03] <wonko> alanc: that better?
[18:03:21] <wonko> hmmm
[18:03:28] <wonko> does /etc/hostname.ifname no longer work?
[18:03:35] <alanc> if you want to talk to OI folks, then yeah
[18:04:06] <wonko> so what's the status of opensolaris? i thought it was dead?
[18:05:00] <alanc> mostly
[18:05:44] <alanc> but not everyone stopped using it when development ended, and some people just hang out here still anyways
[18:06:20] <alanc> (where "here" meant #opensolaris, since it was my turn to fail to notice which channel was which)
[18:07:07] <wonko> heh
[18:07:12] <wonko> ok, just curious
[18:07:17] <wonko> so, back to networking
[18:07:24] <wonko> being a long time solaris admin, is OI going to piss me off?
[18:07:49] <_Tenchi_> yeah, yes
[18:08:29] <wonko> the not being able to log in as root on console is annoying but i can live with that
[18:08:44] <wonko> but if i have to learn ipadm just to do basic networking i'm going back to FreeBSD. :-D
[18:09:14] <alanc> you can turn root into a normal account instead of a role if you don't want to track who is doing stuff as root
[18:09:17] <_Tenchi_> it's not that big of a deal
[18:09:37] <_Tenchi_> although not having a man page for it can be annoying
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[18:09:56] <wonko> ok, maybe i should stop being an old fart and lear this shit. :-D
[18:10:00] <wonko> learn*
[18:10:06] <Gibheer> oracle has enough docs for ipadm
[18:10:14] <Tenzer> wonko: /etc/hostname.<if> still works, nothing has changed there since Solaris 10 and perhaps older versions
[18:10:24] <_Tenchi_> i recommend to everyone to download and try solaris 11 express, which has man pages and documentation and stuff
[18:10:39] <_Tenchi_> then try OI and learn the diffs between solaris 11 express and OI
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[18:13:08] <wonko> Tenzer: i've got an /etc/hostname.e1000g0 and it doesn't create the interface at boot
[18:13:45] <Tenzer> wonko: Is the 'physical:default' SMF service enabled, and 'physical:nwam' disabled?
[18:15:23] <wonko> nwam is disabled, let me check default
[18:16:57] <wonko> gah, stupid vmware console
[18:18:55] <wonko> dammit, i need to fix this first
[18:18:55] <wonko> stupid crap
[18:31:20] <viridari_> if you're a Linux admin, OI is going to piss you off ;-)
[18:31:37] <wonko> can't assign the requested address (physical:default *was*disabled)
[18:31:39] <Alasdairrr> We should just get rid of NWAM :-p
[18:31:48] <wonko> NWAM should die
[18:32:00] <viridari_> Alasdairrr++
[18:32:05] <viridari_> wonko++
[18:32:06] <wonko> ok, so the format of hostname.if hasn't changed, right? just the name mapped from /etc/hosts?
[18:32:12] <Tenzer> Alasdairrr: Or perhaps just change the default settings on text installs :)
[18:32:22] <wonko> no, delete it
[18:32:27] <wonko> forever
[18:32:27] <wonko> like the garbage that it is
[18:32:29] <wonko> :-D
[18:32:34] <Alasdairrr> lol
[18:32:45] <viridari_> no, Tenzer, just flush NWAM down the drain
[18:32:58] <Tenzer> wonko: Correct, although you can also just enter an IP address directly into hostname.<if>, perhaps followed by a network mask in the form of "/24"
[18:33:38] <wonko> oh, wait, duh. it's got the hostname assigned to 127.0.0.1 as well as my IP in /etc/hosts, i bet that's it
[18:33:39] <Tenzer> The problem with removing NWAM is that it will likely make it much harder if you run OI on a laptop and want to use WIFI
[18:33:59] <Tenzer> wonko: A good reason to just enter an IP address into the hostname.<if> files :P
[18:34:03] <wonko> although i bet i also have to update /etc/networks
[18:34:10] <wonko> so yeah
[18:34:11] <wonko> :-D
[18:34:13] <wonko> i'll do that then
[18:34:22] <Tenzer> If you put the netmask into hostname.<if> you don't need to change /etc/networks
[18:34:43] <viridari_> so opt-in to NWAM then instead of opting-out, Tenzer. I think laptops should take a back seat to server deployments.
[18:35:06] <Alasdairrr> I think Tenzer has a good idea here - default for text installer should be physical:default
[18:35:13] <Tenzer> viridari_: Since we have different ISO files for servers and desktops, it would make sense to just change the default settings depending on the media used for the installation
[18:35:19] <wonko> it can still be an option
[18:35:26] <wonko> automatic, none, manual
[18:35:29] <wonko> (in the installer)
[18:35:30] <viridari_> Tenzer: I can buy into that, sure
[18:35:43] <viridari_> or what wonko said
[18:36:06] <Tenzer> Alasdairrr: Actually, the current network settings in the text installer are a bit odd. You can either choose to use NWAM or not to have any network at all - Not really the best options imo :P
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[18:41:58] <test_> I am thinking about using CIFS on ZFS and using that to bakcup MS SQL database. But for snapshots it's a whole new file even if there's little change in the database
[18:42:22] <test_> does the snapshot makes a whole new copy or only get the changes, somehow?
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[18:42:32] <Tenzer> test_: Are you talking about ZFS snapshots?
[18:42:33] <test_> of the database that is
[18:42:42] <test_> Tenzer: yea
[18:43:18] <Tenzer> test_: ZFS snapshots doesn't create files per say, they just save a list of the blocks which were used at the point in time when the snapshot was taken
[18:43:55] <Tenzer> Also, it makes sure the blocks used by the snapshot aren't overwritten by any other data
[18:43:55] <Tenzer> Where are you seeing the new files you are talking about?
[18:44:02] <Hurri> The application
[18:44:14] <Hurri> 's idea of a snapshot is likely different.
[18:44:51] <test_> What i am wondering is that, say the database file is 40GB. I take a snapshot, make a record change in the database , and take another snapshot. Is the new snapshot going to consume another 40GB of space?
[18:45:16] <Tenzer> test_: Not if you use ZFS snapshots
[18:45:25] <test_> i am using zfs snapshots
[18:45:35] <Hurri> Then there you go. :)
[18:45:55] <test_> so it only consume as much space as the changes in that one file?
[18:45:58] <Tenzer> You can see how much space each snapshot is taking up by running "zfs list -t snapshot" and then looking at the REFER column
[18:46:07] <test_> becuase its just one big blob of a file
[18:46:35] <Tenzer> test_: ZFS snapshots works on a block level, not file level
[18:46:44] <test_> Tenzer: thanks!
[18:46:46] <Tenzer> This means that it records each block which has changed, not each file
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[18:46:52] <Tenzer> You're welcome
[18:46:52] <test_> that helps
[18:54:14] <viridari_> Is the MS SQL dump process creating a binary dump file or plaintext?
[18:58:51] <test_> binary file
[18:59:06] <test_> thats no good?
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[19:02:39] <tomww> define plaintext. you mean propper SQL language with INSERT instructions, or just "copy" out the data for later copy in.
[19:02:39] <viridari_> I just had a different idea but it won't apply here
[19:03:30] <viridari_> tomww: I was thinking that something like git might be more useful for cataloging DB dumps... but it would be very inefficient for binary dumps and of limited use.
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[19:04:26] <viridari_> you'd still get zfs snapshots but git has some nice tools for picking a specific point in time, putting in annotations/tags, etc
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[19:29:46] <Tenzer> viridari_: Git can do binary diffs, if you have a 200 MB file you commit to Git and change 1 bit in it, you don't need to commit 200 MB again
[19:32:27] <viridari_> nice. I haven't tried that yet.
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[19:50:38] <raichoo> hi folks
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[21:57:53] <hunter> If an intel 10G ethernet adapter shows up in scanpci, but not in dladm show-phys, whats the best way to troubleshoot why?
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