January 30, 2012 
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January 30, 2012 [00:06:48] *** blues_ has joined #openindiana[00:07:13] <blues_> Does anyone have smtp via gmail working w/ napp-it under OI ?[00:07:47] *** datadigger has quit IRC[00:07:47] *** brougham has quit IRC[00:08:07] *** datadigger has joined #openindiana[00:10:47] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[00:12:44] <DanaG> weird... napp-it's list of "zfs folders" is empty![00:13:27] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[00:16:49] *** ruse39 has joined #openindiana[00:20:25] <DanaG> now, for running a Linux VM for things like Unison: should I go with virtualbox, kvm, or what?[00:23:35] <richlowe> Unison should work[00:23:43] <richlowe> if you mean the ocaml filesync tool.[00:23:47] <richlowe> it used to be packaged, at least.[00:28:56] *** v12 has joined #openindiana[00:28:56] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[00:31:15] *** enmand has quit IRC[00:31:39] <DanaG> yeah, but it's an old version.[00:31:53] <DanaG> Wouldn't be a problem if it didn't insist on local and remove versions matching.[00:34:13] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[00:35:08] <vcg> is it best practice to avoid the use of sas expanders in drive shelves?[00:35:33] <DanaG> Where can I get PulseAudio?[00:36:01] <DanaG> oh yeah, and anyone have specific reasons to prefer virt-manager or VirtualBox?[00:39:31] *** v12 has quit IRC[00:41:37] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[00:43:38] *** ruse39 has joined #openindiana[00:46:24] *** ira has joined #openindiana[00:55:01] *** freetown2 has joined #openindiana[00:57:42] <DanaG> hmm, it seems there is no xen dom0 support.[00:57:48] <DanaG> Fine, I can go with virtualbox.[00:59:12] *** jrapdx has quit IRC[01:05:41] *** bloomington has joined #openindiana[01:06:41] *** bloomington has left #openindiana[01:08:25] <DanaG> hmm, what group would a headless virtualbox user need to be in, to get raw-disk privileges?[01:08:33] *** wilsonkk has quit IRC[01:10:13] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[01:10:51] *** vcg has quit IRC[01:12:47] *** Edgeman has joined #openindiana[01:20:55] *** wilsonkk has joined #openindiana[01:23:29] *** jwit has quit IRC[01:25:23] *** sdi has joined #openindiana[01:25:48] <freetown2> DanaG, i don't remember having to set any and i did not run vbox as root for a windows guest that uses a zvol volume...[01:27:37] <DanaG> But I'm trying to use a raw physical disk.[01:27:53] <DanaG> hmm, oh wait... I forgot to change that SATA channel back from the cd drive to the hard drive.[01:29:05] <DanaG> weird... I hotplugged the drive, and OI just plain got stuck.[01:29:18] <DanaG> Everything is still running, but all disk accesses have hung.[01:30:56] <freetown2> sil3124 perchance? :D[01:32:54] <DanaG> nope, AHCI.[01:32:54] <DanaG> hell, it's not even responding to my "inject an nmi" button.[01:33:35] <DanaG> well, now I'm considering returning to native Linux and VM'd OI.[01:34:16] <DanaG> I'd be using the block passthrough, not PCI passthrough (no iommu).[01:35:15] <freetown2> DanaG, what chipset?[01:37:39] <DanaG> oh wait, my power supply cable got nudged oddly.[01:37:54] <DanaG> Anyway, it's AMD 880G, I think.[01:39:00] <freetown2> oh...sorry....no experience with that[01:39:12] <freetown2> can't tell if it is flaky hardware or drivers[01:43:55] <DanaG> access denied on creating rawvmdk.[01:47:15] *** joffe has quit IRC[01:50:21] <DanaG> hokay, so now, how do I give the vbox user rawdisk permissions?[01:50:30] <DanaG> In Linux, I'd just add the user to the "disk" group.[01:56:17] *** jwit has joined #openindiana[02:02:49] <Triskelios> there is Xen dom0 support, but it can be flaky[02:03:05] <Triskelios> usermod -K defaultpriv=basic,file_dac_read,file_dac_write vboxuser[02:03:32] *** jwit has quit IRC[02:03:55] <DanaG> by vboxuser, you mean the group, or my specific user "vbox"?[02:04:27] <Triskelios> the specific user[02:04:30] <DanaG> Thanks.[02:06:17] <DanaG> hmm, it can't open the sound card.[02:06:32] <DanaG> And the rawdisk'd Linux won't boot. Gets as far as loading initramfs, then just stops.[02:06:39] *** darth_raijin is now known as metacreatore[02:07:25] <DanaG> ah, I see.. it was stalling on trying to write to mmio 0xfdffd000 (where my pcie serial card lives).[02:07:47] *** bgeek has quit IRC[02:08:30] *** jwit has joined #openindiana[02:08:39] <DanaG> now I just need to decide which way makes more sense: Linux host and OI guest, or vice versa?[02:08:52] *** bgeek has joined #openindiana[02:08:52] *** bgeek has joined #openindiana[02:08:53] <DanaG> Note that I cannot do PCI passthrough, so it'd just be rawdisk passthrough on Linux.[02:08:54] *** bgeek has quit IRC[02:09:14] *** bgeek has joined #openindiana[02:09:27] <DanaG> eh, might as well try OI as host for a while.[02:09:59] *** bgeek has quit IRC[02:10:19] *** bgeek has joined #openindiana[02:10:20] *** bgeek has joined #openindiana[02:11:53] <DanaG> phooey, no ipmi kcs driver in OI.[02:15:49] *** metacreatore is now known as darth_raijin[02:16:36] *** magyar has quit IRC[02:16:48] *** ajkno has joined #openindiana[02:19:37] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[02:21:35] *** magyar has joined #openindiana[02:21:35] *** magyar has joined #openindiana[02:28:11] *** ira has quit IRC[02:29:02] *** jwit has quit IRC[02:29:23] *** jwit has joined #openindiana[02:30:32] *** ajkno has quit IRC[02:32:49] *** elepfont has joined #openindiana[02:36:03] *** gwr has quit IRC[02:39:23] <DanaG> okay, so if I want my ubuntu user to map cleanly to my solaris user, how do I do that?[02:40:20] <elepfont> hi does anyone have any recommendations on any resources about using open indiana system in production?[02:40:27] <elepfont> i.e. studies[02:40:32] <elepfont> or white papers[02:42:28] *** ajkno has joined #openindiana[02:47:39] *** elepfont has quit IRC[02:48:41] *** elepfont has joined #openindiana[02:55:34] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[02:56:10] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[03:03:07] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[03:07:55] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[03:18:38] <DanaG> argh, I'm lost when it comes to getting my ubuntu vm to map users to the OI users.[03:32:38] *** tsoome has quit IRC[03:34:03] <DanaG> Could not set property nfsmapid_domain: bad property value[03:37:33] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[03:44:14] <DanaG> ah, has to have at least one dot in it.[03:44:15] <DanaG> how odd.[03:52:24] <DanaG> argh, vbox doesn't bring up the vboxnet0 interface[03:53:34] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[03:53:45] *** Licenser_ has joined #openindiana[03:54:58] *** sdi has quit IRC[03:55:10] *** Licenser has quit IRC[03:55:11] *** Licenser_ is now known as Licenser[03:57:47] *** POloser has joined #openindiana[04:04:50] *** ajkno has quit IRC[04:05:07] *** ajkno has joined #openindiana[04:16:17] *** kart_ has quit IRC[04:17:04] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[04:22:56] *** vcg has joined #openindiana[04:23:32] <vcg> What are some of the best practices for monitoring oi health - specifically zfs pool health and performance[04:33:05] <POloser> vcg, setup FMA email notifications?[04:33:34] <vcg> I'm hoping to use snmp traps and syslog messages if they are available[04:34:32] *** DanaG1 has joined #openindiana[04:36:13] <POloser> vcg, FMA can send snmp traps too http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/fm-discuss/2006-May/000034.html[04:36:14] *** DanaG has quit IRC[04:36:20] *** ajkno has quit IRC[04:37:01] <vcg> perfect![04:38:18] <vcg> My next question is about sas expanders ... I've seen mixed reviews that they even work with the latest version of oi - any best practices around them?[04:38:52] *** ajkno has joined #openindiana[04:39:27] *** ajkno has joined #openindiana[04:39:27] <patdk-lap> hmm, expanders work just fine[04:39:36] <patdk-lap> the question is, if the harddrives work with them[04:41:44] *** ajkno has quit IRC[04:41:48] <vcg> would be looking at the seagate 2tb sas drives[04:42:36] <vcg> I'd actually like to stay with dell gear (r510/710 + md1200s) as we have traditionally been a dell shop[04:42:53] <patdk-lap> should be just fine with sas drives[04:43:07] <POloser> Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723020BLA642 + Supermicro 846E16-R1200B work without problem[04:43:30] * patdk-lap wonders when exactly they started making sas drives >600gigs[04:43:35] <vcg> if it were supermicro we would be using the e26 backplanes[04:44:07] <vcg> well ... nearline sas ... still a sata drive with sas signaling[04:44:08] *** ajkno has joined #openindiana[04:44:16] <patdk-lap> I guess nearline would be ok[04:44:47] <patdk-lap> na, it's still sata signaling, I'm pretty sure[04:44:55] <patdk-lap> just able to talk on both channels[04:45:26] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[04:45:42] <vcg> so is there any hesitation in the community using dell hardware?[04:45:59] <patdk-lap> broadcom nics are still annoying[04:47:21] <vcg> we'd use intel add-ons[04:49:01] *** elepfont has quit IRC[04:50:49] <patdk-lap> ah, nearline drives do support sas protocol natively, sounds good[04:51:13] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[04:51:14] <patdk-lap> you *shouldn't* have any issues with them[04:51:40] <patdk-lap> except the normal ones when using dual backplanes[04:52:03] <patdk-lap> normally drives don't like to be access via both at the same time, so make sure you don't multipath your i/o on your sas cables[04:52:15] <vcg> is that the multipath issue?[04:52:39] <patdk-lap> multipath issue?[04:53:28] <patdk-lap> ya, that was his issue[04:53:41] <patdk-lap> it loadbalanced his i/o over both connections[04:54:00] <patdk-lap> and most drive firmware dump their queue, when it changes[04:54:18] <patdk-lap> so each i/o went to a different interfae on the drive, causing the drive to dump it's queue on each transaction[04:54:32] <patdk-lap> keeping all i/o on one cable, correct that issue[04:54:40] <patdk-lap> then only using the second cable for redundancy[04:54:44] <patdk-lap> or if you can control it[04:54:56] <patdk-lap> access half the drives over one cable, and the other half on the other cable[04:55:09] <patdk-lap> but normally doing that becomes annoying to manage :)[04:55:37] <vcg> agreed ... any out of the box fixes make things interesting[04:56:18] <vcg> have you seen this thread? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/openindiana-discuss/YWbFr76TK64[04:56:29] *** mustang has joined #openindiana[04:57:28] <blues_> hey... been trying to setup TLS on my napp-it OI box.. and that led me to using CPAN... which led me to noticing that nothing through CPAN will install, because cc isn't found on my system.. halp?[04:57:45] <patdk-lap> install cc :)[04:58:02] <blues_> inspired idea[04:58:21] <blues_> where would i go about getting it, how do i install it? i've never had a system where it wasn't just ..there[04:58:30] <patdk-lap> I don't remember having any issues installing TLS support[04:58:49] <patdk-lap> and I'm suprised you don't already have it, napp-it normally installs it[04:58:54] <blues_> i think my issue is strictly because of it not finding cc[04:58:59] <patdk-lap> cause it needs it to compile smartctl[04:59:04] <blues_> i'm wondering if i have it, but it isn't looking in the right place[04:59:14] <blues_> but id idn't seen cpan config where you set path to it[05:01:19] <blues_> is there a c&p site for this channel ?[05:01:27] <blues_> i'll throw up the output i'm seeing[05:12:48] <patdk-lap> vcg, looks like you need to enable multipathing, then disable load-balancing[05:13:54] <vcg> I'm a little nervous that he had to change out the controller and create raid0 on each of the drives[05:14:12] <patdk-lap> heh?[05:14:18] <patdk-lap> your using a perc card?[05:14:31] <vcg> no - we actually havent ordered hardware yet[05:14:57] <patdk-lap> hmm, I can't read that thread[05:14:59] <patdk-lap> requires login[05:15:03] <vcg> I'd like to stay with dell ... thinking r510 + 2 md1200s[05:15:13] <vcg> there is a non google group of it as well[05:15:21] <patdk-lap> yes, but you need a non-raid card[05:15:27] <patdk-lap> and perc's are evil[05:15:53] <vcg> http://www.mail-archive.com/openindiana-discuss at openindiana dot org/msg05931.html[05:17:47] <blues_> if i want to just totally blow away cpan and start over, what do i need to do?[05:19:42] <patdk-lap> delete /root/.cspan[05:20:14] <patdk-lap> vcg, sounds like the normal dell raid card issue[05:20:22] <patdk-lap> I would just buy my own lsi card, to throw in it[05:20:41] <patdk-lap> the firmware on the dell rebranded ones are just pure evil[05:20:47] <vcg> wonder if I can replace the card that is in the "storage x4 slot"[05:20:47] <blues_> no /root/.cpan[05:21:09] <patdk-lap> that is an x4 slot?[05:21:50] <patdk-lap> you where attempting to install it as a normal user?[05:21:56] <vcg> the r510 has 1 x8, 2x4's and 1 "storage 4x slot"[05:22:08] <vcg> don't know if its some kind of proprietary form factor though[05:22:52] <patdk-lap> in the other models, it's just a normal card[05:22:58] <patdk-lap> just make sure it's not a long card[05:25:26] <blues_> .cpan was in a user directory.. i removed it[05:25:39] <blues_> then as root did perl -MCPAN -e shell[05:25:56] <blues_> and it loads up, seemingly using the old config /[05:26:07] <blues_> i did verify that the .cpan directory was gone though, prior to rerunning[05:28:51] <patdk-lap> hmm, looks like the h200 uses normal sff8087 cables, instead of the annoying ones[05:33:46] *** DrLou_ has quit IRC[05:34:39] <patdk-lap> hmm, I guess an x4 is enough[05:34:47] <patdk-lap> that will basically support 16 drives[05:38:46] *** vcg has quit IRC[05:40:44] <DanaG1> ooh, the smb server supports the Windows "Old Versions" feature.[05:41:33] <patdk-lap> yep[05:41:51] <DanaG1> Now, how do I get it to support the Offline Files feature?[05:42:02] <DanaG1> On samba, it requires oplocks and some other stuff.[05:42:23] <patdk-lap> offline?[05:42:29] <patdk-lap> never used that[05:42:31] <DanaG1> oh, a zfs property, "csc"[05:42:45] <blues_> ok...so how might i go installing cc on OI?[05:43:34] <DanaG1> looks like it's on solaris, not OI.[05:45:07] <blues_> argh.. found it... /usr/gnu/bin/cc[05:47:00] <patdk-lap> add /usr/gnu/bin to your path?[05:47:12] <richlowe> /usr/sfw/bin/gcc[05:49:48] <DanaG1> now, if only i could make it set dot dirs to be hidden when viewed from WIndows.[05:49:54] <DanaG1> Or rather, have the "hidden" attribute set.[05:50:05] <DanaG1> That way they'll be "dimmer" in Explorer.[05:55:45] *** jrapdx has joined #openindiana[06:27:00] *** kart__ has 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cp vs. tar vs. cpio[11:22:57] *** sponix has joined #openindiana[11:23:29] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:24:14] <Tenzer> floogy: I would probably use rsync since it can do incremental copies, which none of the suggestions you have can handle (afaik)[11:24:22] <richlowe> the latter two stand a chance of being limited by our shitty pipe buffer[11:24:25] <richlowe> but I'd use rsync.[11:24:35] <Tenzer> rsync can also copy modification times and permissions[11:24:50] <richlowe> all of the above do that (just about)[11:24:51] <Tenzer> Which isn't unique to rsync, but a nice feature if you are migrating[11:25:04] <richlowe> but if you're using rsync, remember that -a preserves everything _except_ hardlinks[11:25:07] <richlowe> you need -H if you want those[11:25:13] <richlowe> I'm a constant victim of forgetting that[11:25:18] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[11:26:19] <lblume> rsync will lose ACLs too,AFAIK.[11:26:19] <lblume> Rarely a problem,but sometimes it is.[11:28:28] <floogy> Can I copy an entire directory tree with one of the three, and use after that rsync for the new differences, or will it start to copy again all of the stuff?[11:29:47] <Tenzer> It depends on which settings you use rsync with. I believe that you can specify which checks rsync should make in order to verify the file is the same both places[11:29:59] <Tenzer> However, if you plan on using rsync anyway, why not use it from the start?[11:30:19] <floogy> Here it's very slow.[11:32:07] <floogy> I guess it will be faster on the lkater reruns with the little changes in the contents of src and dest[11:32:07] <lblume> It should'nt be slower than the others unless you asked for checksumming[11:32:57] <floogy> lblume, checksumming is which option?[11:33:30] <floogy> Or could it be due to -P (--progress)?[11:34:19] <lblume> It's not exactly --progress, but I doubt it, I use it all the time, haven't noticed slowness.[11:34:38] <Agnar> by any chance I would recommend pax(1) with -x pax instead of cpio(1). cpio format has some limitations, as tar has also some limitations. pax' own format pax (afaik more or less xustar format) seems to be the best[11:37:00] <floogy> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/542978/[11:37:54] <lblume> Agnar: I seem to remember pax does not keep ACLs either. It's the best for a given value of ¨best ̈ :-)[11:38:28] <Tenzer> floogy: The speed depends on how large the files are. If there are lots of small files, it will take longer per byte than with larger files[11:39:12] <floogy> This is the comman I use: rsync -Aar -SWvP /raid02 /mnt/oi/Backup/Raids/[11:41:30] <floogy> If I use cpio it would be way faster, afair. Do you think it's due to small files only?[11:42:15] <floogy> I need to backup ~2.8 TiB[11:43:46] <lblume> Remove -W[11:43:57] <lblume> AFAICT, it negates the benefit of using rsync[11:44:13] <lblume> Well, a good part of it at least.[11:44:54] <lblume> It's faster with -W? Interesting.[11:45:19] <floogy> I want to get it faster, and use --partial later for the few changes for daly Backup.[11:46:18] <lblume> If it's a first run, -W will bring nothing anyway[11:46:31] <floogy> lblume, I'm not sure, but I think it was faster. It's sopme time ago, I tried the different parameters and compared them.[11:46:35] <Agnar> lblume: *afaik* it does with -p e[11:47:00] <JT-EC> If cp isn't joint fastest for an initial population of the dest isn't something wrong with cp?[11:47:04] <Agnar> lblume: no, you are right. It does not :)[11:47:12] <Agnar> so, zfs send/receive is the best :P[11:49:00] <floogy> Agnar, src is ufs[11:49:26] <lblume> Agnar: So many ways to transfer files, each with its different quirks :-)[11:49:31] <floogy> and zfs is on an other oi server.[11:50:36] <floogy> Agnar -p e? that's --perms, but what is e?[11:51:41] <Agnar> floogy: ufsdump/restore[11:52:07] <lblume> heh, you can ufsrestore on zfs? I never actually tried that :-)[11:52:19] <Agnar> floogy: -p is preserve for pax, and -p e means preserve everything (but unfortunately no ACLs :))[11:52:45] <floogy> I'm still wondering, if an initial run of cp -pR will fit for a following rsync[11:53:07] <lblume> Abyhow, UFS to to ZFS, ACLS *will* be lost[11:53:08] <Agnar> lblume: for sure. restore uses the virtual fs layer...I do that currently to migrate from VxVF to ZFS - vxdumpfs | vxrestore[11:53:09] <floogy> Ah, you're talking about pax.[11:53:15] <lblume> No way to keep them[11:54:14] <lblume> Agnar: Ok, if I'm ever unlucky enough to touch UFS in any other way than LU'ing them to ZFS, I'll keep it in mind :-)[11:54:22] <Agnar> lblume: right. but still, using ufsdump will be the best choice - especially if you have non-regular files like pipes, sockets, devices and stuff on it (or busy mounts like on libc.so in zones)[11:54:24] <floogy> What's the best way to see if the files are using ACLs on ufs (on zfs ls -V?)[11:54:46] <floogy> getfacl?[11:54:55] <Agnar> lblume: in my expirience, LU is way more painful that ufsdump|restore ;))[11:55:32] *** lucalenardi has joined #openindiana[11:55:38] <lblume> Agnar: Definitely. and I agree with you that ufsdump should be the best in that context for initial population.[11:55:41] <floogy> What's LU?[11:55:42] *** lucalenardi has left #openindiana[11:55:51] <lblume> floogy: There is an option with find[11:55:58] *** lucalenardi has joined #openindiana[11:56:10] <lblume> (the only that I know is missing in GNU find ;-)[11:56:12] <Agnar> floogy: don't care about LU. it's a piece of crappy software for sol8-10 and died with osol[11:56:34] <lblume> floogy: Iff you don't know what LU is, consider yourself lucky.[11:56:51] <floogy> ;)[11:57:21] <Agnar> lblume: currently pre'ping lu for sol10u10 on four boxes - with zones on vxfs...;)[11:58:03] <lblume> I did it in November. You could read me bitching about it on 2 or 3 channels ;-)[11:58:13] *** heldus has quit IRC[11:59:04] <lucalenardi> Hello. Is there a way to open a terminal console instead of the gdm login in OI? Something like ctrl-alt-fn? Thanks.[11:59:28] <floogy> so what would you prefer for small particular directories (cp -pR?) and whoile trees (ufsrestore) on UFS?[11:59:55] <lblume> Along those lines, yes.[12:00:19] <lblume> Though I tend to use rsync more and more lately.[12:00:44] <lblume> Anyway,time for dinner, good luck with your bit moving![12:01:09] <floogy> thank you, bon appetit![12:03:17] *** kart_ has quit IRC[12:04:02] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[12:06:46] <floogy> I cannot find that option of find for finding acl (sol9) but in oi (though not in gfind)[12:08:06] *** easy-iPad has joined #openindiana[12:15:03] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[12:17:54] *** mikw has joined #openindiana[12:18:38] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[12:22:58] *** cis has joined #openindiana[12:25:20] *** fedoracoreuser has joined #openindiana[12:25:30] <fedoracoreuser> Hi all[12:25:31] <floogy> ping horsi, did you solve your crash, and get rid of mDNSResponder error's - getOptRdata - Unknown opt 4[12:25:31] <floogy> in /var/adm/messages? I got the same message in my logs. But that got nothing to do with your crashes.[12:27:13] *** benDos has joined #openindiana[12:27:51] <benDos> Is Sunray support stable?[12:29:33] <fedoracoreuser> Quick question: do the NVidia drivers in OI support CUDA?[12:31:49] *** Vutral has quit IRC[12:33:32] *** Seony has quit IRC[12:35:12] *** _404_Error_ has joined #openindiana[12:42:05] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[12:42:07] <fedoracoreuser> Well, can anyone tell me if the NVidia Drivers in OI support CUDA? Or at least provide some proof of life in this room? ;)[12:42:20] <benDos> I'm here, but have no idea sorry[12:42:44] <patdk-lap> just test it[12:43:00] <fedoracoreuser> Ok, thank you.[12:43:08] <patdk-lap> man, why are some irc people so demanding[12:43:42] <fedoracoreuser> Sorry, didn't mean to start anything, not used to IRC[12:45:56] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[12:53:04] *** easy-iPad has quit IRC[12:56:54] <Whoopsie> There's currently no CUDA support in OI/Solaris 11[12:57:04] <Whoopsie> If you want it, you need to bug NVidia about it[12:57:23] <Whoopsie> Many people already have, but apparently not enough to get them to do something about it[12:58:36] <fedoracoreuser> Thank you very much, I was afraid that was the answer...[12:59:38] <Whoopsie> Someone from Sun did do a 'proof of concept' port to OpenSolaris - so there's no inherent reason why CUDA wouldn't work[12:59:56] <Whoopsie> But NVidia need to see enough demand to get their finger out and make it available[13:00:35] <Whoopsie> OpenCL may be a better place to look, but I don't know what hooks the NVidia driver exposes in OI, so I'm not sure if OpenCL could be build and run properly with the NVidia driver[13:01:59] *** Okona has quit IRC[13:04:06] *** gb_away has quit IRC[13:09:03] *** CME has quit IRC[13:11:01] *** CME has joined #openindiana[13:13:18] *** CME has quit IRC[13:14:13] *** benDos has quit IRC[13:14:27] *** CME has joined #openindiana[13:18:59] *** gb_away has joined #openindiana[13:24:38] *** brougham has quit IRC[13:24:53] *** brougham has joined #openindiana[13:30:15] *** keremet has quit IRC[13:31:18] *** flyz has quit IRC[13:31:53] *** POloser has left #openindiana[13:39:56] *** movement has quit IRC[13:40:05] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[13:48:10] *** movement has joined #openindiana[13:57:28] <fedoracoreuser> Ok. As usual, "major supported platforms" only... Must admit I am surprised, thought it would be part of the proprietary driver.[14:00:36] <fedoracoreuser> All of this was to see if it was worthwhile to swap out the NVidia Quadro FX 3450 I have in right now with something more capable (or maybe use one of the Tesla cards, if money permits).[14:08:26] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[14:11:11] *** brougham has quit IRC[14:11:39] *** brougham has joined #openindiana[14:17:01] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[14:17:23] *** kart_ has quit IRC[14:19:20] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[14:30:40] *** fedoracoreuser has left #openindiana[14:31:31] *** dvx has quit IRC[14:33:12] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[14:50:22] *** CoilDomain has joined #openindiana[14:53:48] *** DrLou_ has joined #openindiana[14:53:49] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrLou_[14:54:30] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[15:01:28] *** OMV-User has quit IRC[15:02:06] *** flyz has joined #openindiana[15:05:15] *** OMV-User has joined #openindiana[15:06:27] <RoyK>[15:21:27] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[15:30:12] *** mikw has quit IRC[15:30:17] *** calmh has quit IRC[15:33:23] *** calmh has joined #openindiana[15:38:45] <Whoopsie> (In a meeting) yeah, the Tesla is totally out I'm afraid, I'd stick with that Quadro as it should give more than enough grunt[15:44:01] *** Bdragon28 has quit IRC[15:46:13] *** Bdragon28 has joined #openindiana[15:51:17] *** easy-iPad has joined #openindiana[15:51:55] *** PiotrSikora has quit IRC[15:53:18] *** PiotrSikora has joined #openindiana[16:02:05] *** ironmunk has joined #openindiana[16:02:37] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[16:06:25] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[16:21:21] *** tsoome has quit IRC[16:27:23] *** pothos has quit IRC[16:27:44] *** pothos has joined #openindiana[16:34:44] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[16:40:37] *** wiseen has joined #openindiana[16:46:56] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:48:56] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[16:49:49] *** LadySerena has joined #openindiana[16:49:54] *** wilsonkk has quit IRC[16:50:43] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[16:50:43] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[17:02:25] *** wilsonkk has joined #openindiana[17:05:10] *** easy-iPad has quit IRC[17:05:57] *** LadySerena has quit IRC[17:18:16] *** Krazypoloc has joined #openindiana[17:18:23] <Krazypoloc> Morning guys[17:18:32] <Krazypoloc> I need a little help...[17:18:35] <Agnar> good evening Krazypoloc[17:18:43] <Krazypoloc> Having issues with what I thought was a bad drive[17:18:44] <Krazypoloc> :)[17:18:53] <Krazypoloc> Well I guess its evening somehwere[17:19:10] <Agnar> germany. yes ;)[17:19:15] <Agnar> so. your issue? ;)[17:19:30] <Krazypoloc> So I started getting hardware errors on a drive that didn't show up in ZFS till I did a scrub[17:19:41] <Krazypoloc> The scrub took the drive offline and degraded the array[17:19:49] <Agnar> that may happen[17:19:59] <Krazypoloc> So I replaced the drive and did a "replace" in zfs[17:20:13] <Agnar> zfs detects errors only on access to the disk, and scrub is a good access-test[17:20:30] <Krazypoloc> Resilvered the array which took like 5 days...[17:20:38] <Krazypoloc> Oh ok[17:20:57] <Krazypoloc> After the resilver I did another scrub and it is still getting checksum errors[17:21:19] <Krazypoloc> Also it is only scrubbing @MB/s[17:21:28] <Krazypoloc> *@9MB/s[17:21:51] <Agnar> do you have more disks on the same controller? or a seperate controller? did you had a look into /var/adm/messages for sas/sata error messages?[17:22:13] <Krazypoloc> I have 16 disks on 1 controller[17:22:19] *** DrFart has joined #openindiana[17:22:21] <Krazypoloc> In a striped raidz2[17:22:39] *** wiseen has quit IRC[17:22:51] <DrFart> How can I create a login banner for gdm in openindiana?[17:22:53] <Agnar> Krazypoloc: check your log if you see scsi/sas/sata errors[17:23:00] <DrFart> I've tried gconf-editor[17:23:21] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[17:23:26] <Krazypoloc> Ok checking...[17:23:54] <Krazypoloc> Yup[17:24:04] <Krazypoloc> A bunch of em from today and yesterday[17:24:34] <Krazypoloc> http://pastebin.com/2GpZK85y[17:24:34] <Agnar> Krazypoloc: I would expect them. In that case: replace cable. if that does not help, try to replace the controller or change the port on the controller if possible and see if the problem follows to the other port[17:25:12] <Krazypoloc> Ok I will try that[17:25:18] <Krazypoloc> Thats what I had thought as well...[17:25:34] <Krazypoloc> Either controller, drive caddy, cable, or backplane[17:25:52] <Agnar> btw....do you use a SAS expander?[17:26:10] <Krazypoloc> No[17:26:15] <Krazypoloc> Its an LSI HBA[17:26:57] <Krazypoloc> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118142[17:27:14] <Krazypoloc> I pray to god a cable change will fix it...[17:27:41] *** cis has quit IRC[17:28:52] *** kart_ has quit IRC[17:29:08] *** Licenser has joined #openindiana[17:29:32] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[17:29:39] <Krazypoloc> Besten Dank Agnar[17:29:40] <Agnar> Krazypoloc: there are issues with SAS expanders which result in exactly these errors.[17:29:49] <Agnar> Krazypoloc: hehe, you're welcome[17:30:14] <Krazypoloc> Ahh ok, didn't know that[17:30:55] <Agnar> Krazypoloc: if it's always the same disk, I would assume it is a bad cable or a bad port on the hba.[17:31:14] *** |AbsyntH| has quit IRC[17:32:49] <Krazypoloc> Gotcha....yeah probably a bad[17:32:52] <Krazypoloc> cable[17:35:08] *** cis has joined #openindiana[17:35:19] <Agnar> fine :) (and cheap)[17:36:11] *** axisys has quit IRC[17:39:05] *** kart_ has quit IRC[17:39:47] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[17:39:53] *** vados has joined #openindiana[17:46:30] *** vados has quit IRC[17:48:39] *** axisys has joined #openindiana[17:54:47] <Krazypoloc> Ok replaced the cable...[17:54:59] <Krazypoloc> Now I have new errors in the logs[17:55:00] <Krazypoloc> http://pastebin.com/9nmndEbe[17:55:40] <Krazypoloc> Bunch of multipath degraded errors[17:56:07] <calmh> do you actually have multiple paths?[17:56:32] <Krazypoloc> From my HBA to my physical drives?[17:56:58] <tsoome> sas or sata disks?;)[17:56:59] <calmh> if not, i think that's normal when attaching drives, at least i've seen the same messages when attaching drives to sas hbas[17:57:36] <Krazypoloc> SAS controller->SAS Cable to SATA->SATA backplane->SATA Drives[17:57:37] <Agnar> Krazypoloc: sounds good to me. don't get confused by the "degraded" messages of multipathing. do a scrub on the pool and check if everything is fine[17:57:51] <Krazypoloc> Yeah scrubbing in progress now[17:58:06] <Krazypoloc> Still REALLY slow though[17:58:11] <Krazypoloc> 3MB/s[17:58:24] <Krazypoloc> 713 hours to go....[17:58:31] <Krazypoloc> Doesn't seem right[17:58:35] <tsoome> afaik sata disks don't have multiple paths...[17:58:44] <Krazypoloc> Ahh ok thanks[17:58:46] *** kart_ has quit IRC[17:59:13] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[17:59:18] <Agnar> tsoome: at least not on a single controller ,)[18:07:11] <sommerfeld> Krazypoloc: note that scrubs often start slow and then speed up.[18:07:59] <Krazypoloc> Ok, hopefully that will be the case....it hasn't been on thos box before but hopefully 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prestable1.[21:31:19] <Meths> danmcd: Assuming the current state of apache was what you wanted to speak about.[21:32:13] *** lblume has quit IRC[21:32:24] <danmcd> I was more interested in having apache using what's here:[21:32:29] <danmcd> http://kebe.com/~danmcd/webrevs/sockf/[21:32:41] <danmcd> it's in use already by OmniTI (aka. postwait's company).[21:33:32] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[21:33:40] <Meths> Is that an illumos webrev?[21:34:56] <danmcd> That is.[21:35:07] <danmcd> I need to perform measurements on the code to make sure it's a win.[21:35:19] <danmcd> postwait thinks it is, and I'll be bugging him about it, but I also[21:35:25] <danmcd> want to make sure it's easily installable/removable.[21:35:34] <Meths> So is it going in upstream or only after testing?[21:35:49] <danmcd> Only after testing. Watch illumos-gate pushes.[21:36:06] * danmcd doesn't want to deliver things willy-nilly into Illumos.[21:36:25] <Meths> In that case you want igork, DrLou_ and saablover who are doing bleeding edge stuff.[21:38:04] <danmcd> igork already informed me somewhat on #illumos about that.[21:38:37] <danmcd> Shoot, I gotta bail for a while. THanks for the answers![21:38:39] *** danmcd has left #openindiana[21:38:47] *** danmcd has quit IRC[21:40:47] *** hunter_ has joined #openindiana[21:41:56] *** hunter_ has quit IRC[21:58:20] *** bongo has quit IRC[21:59:01] *** bongo has joined #openindiana[22:01:53] <Agnar> Meths: got xnv/151 sparc built. will try to build jds tomorrow[22:02:04] <Meths> GLWT[22:02:16] <Agnar> glwt?[22:02:26] <Meths> Good luck with that.[22:02:49] <Meths> Best not done in your global zone unless you take a snapshot/be first.[22:03:20] <Agnar> I have a zone called bob for building...bob the builder ;)[22:04:13] <Meths> heh, still take a snapshot. 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