January 21, 2012 
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January 21, 2012 [00:02:28] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[00:12:28] *** _paperino has quit IRC[00:25:30] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[00:27:56] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[00:35:32] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[00:37:59] *** kenon has quit IRC[00:40:30] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[00:42:07] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[00:46:11] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[00:46:44] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[00:47:01] *** TBFOOL has quit IRC[00:47:02] <piukeman> any here knows if with the trial setup of Oracle solaris 10 will I be able to download patches for it?[00:48:05] *** TBCOOL has joined #openindiana[00:48:40] <alanc> the Oracle Solaris 10 download is the normal version of the software - it's not modified in any way[00:48:53] <piukeman> The thing is this. I am learning Solaris 10 and I am practicing some examples of patches, and I need some patches.[00:49:07] <alanc> but the patch download website is restricted to customers who pay for support contracts, so no, you won't be able to get them[00:49:38] <piukeman> alanc: Ok get it[00:50:39] <alanc> I think there are some patches you can download for free from other sites and install, or at least there used to be[00:51:10] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[00:52:10] <piukeman> That would be great It `s just for practice no matter with patches are, I only need to ... run the commands and see a bit of the examples from my book.[00:52:26] <piukeman> alanc: do you remember any of these sites?[00:52:53] <alanc> I think the studio compiler downloads included some solaris patches you needed to install to be able to run the compilers, but I don't know if they still do[00:53:04] <alanc> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solarisstudio/downloads/index-jsp-142582.html[00:53:13] <piukeman> :-)[00:57:20] *** TBCOOL has quit IRC[01:04:41] *** jw_urodoc has quit IRC[01:05:30] *** jw_urodoc has joined #openindiana[01:05:50] *** MrWGW- has joined #openindiana[01:06:01] <MrWGW-> hey there, I've got a sun x4275 here that I'm consideirng putting openindiana on[01:06:07] <MrWGW-> its got 12 TB disks and an adaptec raid controller[01:06:23] <MrWGW-> should I just export them all as a jbod and do raidz or should I use the raid controller and do hardware raid?[01:07:11] <Licenser> MrWGW- I'd go with a raidz[01:07:31] <lennard> probably do 2 raidzs or something though[01:07:35] <Licenser> but I have a dislike for raid controllers so I might be baised[01:07:40] <MrWGW-> I also dislike them[01:07:43] *** TBCOOL has joined #openindiana[01:07:43] <MrWGW-> I've seen a lot of them fail[01:07:51] <Licenser> yea topology not discussed ^^[01:07:57] <MrWGW-> its ironic how much data I've seen destroyed by poor raid controllers[01:08:00] <MrWGW-> so wiht 12 1 tb disks[01:08:05] <MrWGW-> what topology do you reccommend?[01:08:10] <MrWGW-> can my rpool be a raidz?[01:08:17] <MrWGW-> my thought was a raidz3 with two hot spares[01:08:27] <lennard> only if you don't want to boot it :P[01:08:38] <Licenser> it can do raidz mirror afaik[01:09:07] <lennard> although if you like tinkering you could go and see if you can boot off a raidz with a grub2 from trunk[01:09:09] <MrWGW-> what about booting the server off of a usb stick?[01:09:14] <MrWGW-> and then attaching the rpools[01:09:52] <lennard> I don't know enough solaris-isms to say anything about that :P[01:09:59] <Licenser> why do a rpool and the put the boot data on a usb?[01:10:06] <MrWGW-> err[01:10:08] <MrWGW-> blah[01:10:11] <MrWGW-> and then attaching to the pools[01:10:29] <MrWGW-> Licenser: I just want to avoid wasting two disks on a raid1 for booting only if I can help it[01:10:36] <Licenser> I see[01:11:22] <Licenser> and totally understandable[01:11:46] <Licenser> what you can do is the following: make a small boot slice, mirror it on like 3 disks and use the rests of the disks ina raidz[01:12:10] <Licenser> that way you only 'waste' a few GB of space[01:12:18] <MrWGW-> that sounds good[01:12:22] <lennard> except everyone always says you should use whole disks whenever possible instead of slices[01:12:31] <MrWGW-> will performance be megaslow as a reslt of it?[01:12:49] <Licenser> that entirely depends on the usage[01:13:12] <MrWGW-> well my plan is to use one raidz group on this server to store vms[01:13:15] <MrWGW-> and the other to act as an nfs nas[01:13:30] <Licenser> MrWGW- a storage or also V< server[01:13:31] <Licenser> VM[01:13:39] <Licenser> SmartOs is supposed to run on a usb stick for example[01:13:58] <MrWGW-> I haven[01:14:00] <MrWGW-> haven[01:14:03] <MrWGW-> blah sorry[01:14:08] <MrWGW-> haven't had a chance to play with Joyent much[01:14:23] <Licenser> they are thinking about getting an office tiger[01:14:45] <MrWGW-> the joyent guys I've met seem interesting[01:14:53] <MrWGW-> I wonder if Joyent even makes money though[01:15:00] <MrWGW-> they seem slightly too eccentric to be profitable :-p[01:15:06] <MrWGW-> but they also remind me of old Sun in a way[01:15:14] <Licenser> I liked old sun[01:15:23] <Licenser> really admire what they did[01:15:26] <MrWGW-> I loved it[01:15:38] <MrWGW-> I'm chatting to you from an ldom on a Sun t1000 that I'm ssh'd to from a Sun Ultra 24[01:16:13] <Licenser> ^^[01:16:25] <Licenser> I can't start my suns right now :([01:16:34] <MrWGW-> oh btw[01:16:38] <MrWGW-> I just bought a t2000 and I have two t1000s[01:16:43] <MrWGW-> I would love to see OpenIndiana support SPARC[01:16:46] <MrWGW-> I also have a stack of Ultra 5s[01:16:52] <MrWGW-> if anyone wants to work on a sparc port you can use my gear[01:16:53] <Licenser> ^^[01:18:34] <Licenser> but I don't like Oracle :( they smell[01:18:44] <MrWGW-> meh at least they kept solaris development going[01:18:48] <MrWGW-> and kept Sun hardware development going[01:18:52] <MrWGW-> imagine if IBM had bought SUn[01:18:54] <MrWGW-> all this would be gone[01:18:54] <Licenser> MrWGW- for now[01:19:04] <Licenser> and the quality dropped like crazy[01:19:17] <MrWGW-> not on the servers[01:19:22] <Licenser> I am not sure I think sun was ding that badly[01:19:27] <Licenser> yea[01:19:28] <MrWGW-> Sun wasn't[01:19:29] <Licenser> totally[01:19:33] <MrWGW-> they were the victim of negative PR[01:19:36] <lennard> I recently had a conference call with some oracle dudes[01:19:47] <lennard> and the techy kept accidently saying opensolaris all the time :P[01:19:48] <Licenser> lennard you shoot them in the face[01:19:57] <lennard> their techy, even[01:20:11] *** enmand has quit IRC[01:20:26] <Licenser> MrWGW- at least for us oracles quality dropped quite a bit[01:20:38] <MrWGW-> in what regard?[01:21:41] <Licenser> for one just quality as in a lot of broken parts, then the delivery times really suck by now[01:22:02] <MrWGW-> what equipment did you order?[01:22:30] <Licenser> I work mostly wiht X4???[01:22:48] <MrWGW-> what specific machines did you get from oracle most recently?[01:23:02] <Licenser> X4270 since a few month[01:23:28] <Licenser> I feel they are a bit better now but the X4200 wasn nice[01:23:43] <Licenser> had like 1 broken part every 5-10 servers[01:24:48] *** hajma has quit IRC[01:25:37] <Licenser> had also quite an ordeal to get some blind plates for the servers :P[01:34:26] *** raichoo has quit IRC[01:36:20] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[01:38:24] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[01:41:47] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[01:45:09] *** kenon has quit IRC[01:45:41] *** TomJ has quit IRC[01:47:11] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[02:04:19] <MrWGW-> the x4200 was not an Oracle-era product[02:04:21] <MrWGW-> it was vintag 2006[02:04:25] <MrWGW-> I have one, never had a porblem[02:04:40] <MrWGW-> the only new intel servers Oracle has come out with are the 4700 and 4800[02:12:45] <Licenser> they sold them till like end of last year[02:12:51] *** gotwf has quit IRC[02:12:51] <Licenser> then they EOL'ed them[02:13:00] <Licenser> lots of fun hate when that happens :P new hardware means new problems[02:13:36] <Licenser> anyway I got to head ot bed it's horrible late[02:14:25] <Licenser> perhaps my bad luck with the servers is jsut because we handle a lot of them it is more noticable when you got one defect in 10 if there are dozends passing throught[02:14:44] <Licenser> but the claim handling is still as good as with sun :) only a day or two at tops ^^[02:14:49] <Licenser> so now I am off, rest well mates[02:22:16] <MrWGW-> not the x4200[02:22:20] <MrWGW-> it was EOL in 2009[02:22:48] *** piukeman has quit IRC[02:23:53] *** n2deep has quit IRC[02:25:36] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[02:30:36] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[02:30:44] *** n2deep has quit IRC[02:31:58] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[02:32:32] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[02:32:54] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[02:37:38] *** n2deep has quit IRC[02:37:51] *** n2deep 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you[07:46:11] *** j0nas has quit IRC[07:46:24] <swa_work> I deal with that pile of dung as little as possible[07:46:38] <xtort-> same... but i have some games i want to play[07:47:22] <swa_work> I'm not much of a gamer but if sex was windows I'd abstain :p[07:56:19] *** kart_ has quit IRC[07:57:16] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[08:10:38] *** kenon has quit IRC[08:12:27] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[08:59:41] *** Tempt has quit IRC[09:16:44] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[09:17:53] *** kenon has quit IRC[09:38:21] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[09:40:38] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[09:43:20] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[09:44:22] *** kenon has quit IRC[09:48:22] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[09:48:44] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[10:23:50] *** Cobi has quit IRC[10:35:45] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[10:36:58] *** girafe has quit IRC[10:38:06] *** swa_work has quit IRC[11:02:25] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[11:02:31] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[11:03:19] *** gb_away has quit IRC[11:03:46] *** Tempt has joined #openindiana[11:23:11] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:24:57] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[11:38:03] *** Zenos has joined #openindiana[11:48:49] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[11:50:25] *** girafe has joined #openindiana[11:51:14] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[12:05:57] *** n2deep_ has quit IRC[12:07:59] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[12:13:01] *** n2deep_ has joined #openindiana[12:15:08] *** n2deep has quit IRC[12:17:58] <RoyK> happy saturday[12:18:14] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[12:21:21] *** kenon has quit IRC[13:32:29] *** _wilsonkk_ has quit IRC[13:34:53] *** jw_urodoc has quit IRC[13:39:16] *** jw_urodoc has joined #openindiana[13:44:49] *** _wilsonkk_ has joined #openindiana[13:48:44] *** feizhou_ has quit IRC[13:53:49] *** merzo has joined #openindiana[14:01:55] *** feizhou_ has joined #openindiana[14:11:33] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[14:12:37] *** Guest62129 is now known as willie[14:13:06] *** willie is now known as Guest95073[14:13:31] *** Guest95073 is now known as willie__[14:14:17] *** n2deep_ has quit IRC[14:17:23] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[14:17:24] *** wiseen has quit IRC[14:17:35] <raichoo> hi folks[14:30:04] *** wiseen has joined #openindiana[14:36:31] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[14:38:51] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[14:45:47] *** raichoo has quit IRC[14:59:31] *** flyz_ has quit IRC[15:07:29] *** flyz has joined #openindiana[15:42:15] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[15:43:01] *** kofi is now known as matsim[15:45:43] <[noc]> anyone setup a serial port for a dumb terminal in oi/solaris ?[15:58:10] <geoff_> Yes.[15:58:44] *** feizhou_ has quit IRC[15:58:52] <[noc]> I think I have the config right, but I don't seem to get anything ont he terminal[15:59:07] <[noc]> I know the terminal works because I had it setup wit FreeBSD before switching to oi[16:02:54] <geoff_> Now that I think about it, it was specifically grub+console over serial, not adding a tty terminal.[16:03:34] <[noc]> heh that's where I'mhaving trouble :([16:03:38] <[noc]> getty is so easy[16:03:57] <[noc]> pmadm/sacadm/ttyadm[16:04:00] <[noc]> it's so obfuscated[16:04:25] <[noc]> you write this giant line and then it pushes back errors :([16:05:31] <[noc]> pmadm -a -p zsmon -s ttya -i root -fu -v 1 -m "`ttyadm -m ldterm,ttcompat -p 'login:' -S y -T vt100 -d /dev/term/a -l contty5H -s /usr/bin/login`"[16:05:35] <[noc]> lets see if that works..[16:05:48] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[16:05:56] *** n2deep has quit IRC[16:06:07] <geoff_> I didn't have to use pmadm/sacadm/ttyadm[16:07:01][16:07:05] <geoff_> serial --unit=0 --speed=9600[16:07:17] <geoff_> terminal serial[16:07:24] <[noc]> I 'think' what I am doing is neccessary for a terminal[16:07:38] <[noc]> yours was like a true console though right?[16:07:47] <[noc]> like if I had real SUN hardware and was doing an install via serial console[16:07:57] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[16:08:05] *** kenon has quit IRC[16:08:19] <[noc]> back when I worked with V890s and T2000s and stuff I just connected a 9600 baud terminal and went[16:08:26] <[noc]> not sure what's going on with tihs..[16:08:51][16:09:21] <geoff_> (or add the options after -B if the -B already exist)[16:09:45] <geoff_> s/grun/grub/[16:10:25] <geoff_> I didn't have to do anything else.[16:11:24] *** smrt has quit IRC[16:11:27] *** feizhou_ has joined #openindiana[16:11:42] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[16:12:41] <[noc]> woot worked![16:17:08] <[noc]> considering how impossible it was to find anything actually detailing this.. maybe I should write it up[16:17:25] <[noc]> course what other idiots want to use serial terminals on their installs[16:17:26] <[noc]> lol[16:23:14] *** Cobi has joined #openindiana[16:34:18] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[16:36:58] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[16:48:18] *** jw_urodoc_ has joined #openindiana[16:50:38] *** saablover has joined #openindiana[16:55:15] *** brougham has quit IRC[16:59:27] <jw_urodoc_> i could use some help please[16:59:42] *** brougham has joined #openindiana[17:00:11] <jw_urodoc_> what average data rates could be expected from OI CIFS server running in Workgroup mode in a 100 Mbit environment using a laptop with 2 GB RAM?[17:00:11] <saablover> hi jw_urodoc_[17:00:22] <jw_urodoc_> hi![17:00:29] <saablover> never tested that before[17:00:41] <jw_urodoc_> I'm not even close to 1 MB / s[17:00:59] <saablover> that's not good[17:01:07] <saablover> do you see lot's of errors on the network interface ?[17:01:24] <jw_urodoc_> how?[17:01:44] <jw_urodoc_> just watching the sysmon[17:02:02] <saablover> kstat -p on the server[17:02:15] <saablover> and grep for your interface[17:02:22] <saablover> look for the error count[17:03:56] <jw_urodoc_> zero[17:04:51] <saablover> how is your zpool ?[17:04:53] <saablover> zpool status[17:05:33] <jw_urodoc_> joachim@openindiana:~# zpool status[17:05:33] <jw_urodoc_> pool: backup[17:05:33] <jw_urodoc_> state: ONLINE[17:05:33] <jw_urodoc_> scan: none requested[17:05:33] <jw_urodoc_> config:[17:05:33] <jw_urodoc_> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM[17:05:35] <jw_urodoc_> backup ONLINE 0 0 0[17:05:37] <jw_urodoc_> c6t0d0p0 ONLINE 0 0 0[17:05:39] <jw_urodoc_> errors: No known data errors[17:05:41] <jw_urodoc_> pool: rpool[17:05:45] <jw_urodoc_> state: ONLINE[17:05:47] <jw_urodoc_> scan: none requested[17:05:49] <jw_urodoc_> config:[17:05:51] <jw_urodoc_> NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM[17:05:53] <jw_urodoc_> rpool ONLINE 0 0 0[17:05:55] <jw_urodoc_> c2d0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0[17:05:57] <jw_urodoc_> errors: No known data errors[17:06:30] <jw_urodoc_> healthy I guess[17:07:02] *** raichoo has quit IRC[17:07:54] <jw_urodoc_> I had a similar issue with windows being the server and linux the client[17:07:55] <saablover> yes[17:08:07] <saablover> what's your hardware ?[17:08:28] <jw_urodoc_> what I'm trying to do is to run an application (windoze foxporo) supplied by a CIFS server[17:08:53] <jw_urodoc_> Fujitsu Laptop Turoin 64 dual core, 2 GB RAM[17:09:42] <saablover> wired network or wireless ?[17:09:56] <jw_urodoc_> wired 100 MB/s[17:10:33] <jw_urodoc_> now trying to run the client from Ubuntu using wine, same with Windows native though (on Virtual box)[17:11:39] <jw_urodoc_> free memory > 1,5 GB[17:12:15] <saablover> so client > virtualbox > windows > oi ?[17:12:51] <jw_urodoc_> yes, client runs on Win in Vbox in my test environment[17:13:48] <saablover> do you have a bridged network connection setup ?[17:15:11] <jw_urodoc_> not now, running another client from wine, just starting up a physical windows machine[17:17:12] <jw_urodoc_> i don't feel the problem is on the client side[17:17:19] <saablover> on the physical windows, you have the same problem ?[17:19:47] <jw_urodoc_> yes, it's a little better, seeing barely above 1 MB/s now :-([17:20:14] <jw_urodoc_> same as with win on vbox[17:24:34] *** kenon has quit IRC[17:25:05] <saablover> I'm not sure 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