January 15, 2012 
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January 15, 2012 [00:16:27] *** raichoo has quit IRC[00:23:07] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[00:25:20] *** kenon has quit IRC[00:42:29] *** _wilsonkk_ has quit IRC[00:54:46] *** _wilsonkk_ has joined #openindiana[01:00:22] *** jollyd has quit IRC[01:05:31] *** heldus has quit IRC[01:17:45] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[01:22:01] *** heldus has quit IRC[01:22:20] *** APTX_ is now known as APTX[01:27:08] *** heldus has joined #openindiana[01:42:22] *** gotwf has quit IRC[01:59:24] *** movement has quit IRC[02:04:24] *** darcy has joined #openindiana[02:05:13] *** darcy has quit IRC[02:05:33] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[02:07:10] *** darcy has joined #openindiana[02:09:19] *** darcy has quit IRC[02:09:39] *** dirtman has joined #openindiana[02:31:18] *** Xilinx is now known as Virtex7[02:37:14] *** xzilla has quit IRC[02:40:39] *** dirtman has quit IRC[02:41:02] *** dirtman has joined #openindiana[02:44:19] *** Virtex7 has quit IRC[02:44:53] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[02:47:41] *** dirtman has quit IRC[02:49:22] *** dirtman has joined #openindiana[03:06:04] *** dirtman has quit IRC[03:06:23] *** darcyb has joined #openindiana[03:08:14] *** xzilla has joined #openindiana[03:10:19] *** xzilla has quit IRC[03:11:42] *** darcyb has quit IRC[03:16:02] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[03:17:45] *** unixfan has quit IRC[03:17:58] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[03:18:18] *** unixfan has quit IRC[03:18:19] *** xzilla has joined #openindiana[03:18:32] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[03:18:55] *** unixfan has quit IRC[03:18:59] *** Tenzer has quit IRC[03:19:51] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[03:20:20] *** unixfan has quit IRC[03:23:25] *** xzilla has quit IRC[03:23:30] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[03:25:36] *** unixfan has quit IRC[03:30:04] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[03:34:50] <Hexi> will openindiana ever get up to zpool version 30+ (for encryption)? or are there license-type issues preventing that?[03:35:44] <patdk-lap> many issues[03:36:01] <patdk-lap> first, maintain compatability with solaris zpool v30?[03:36:27] <patdk-lap> have to figure out how it works, create specs, code implementation, test, ...[03:36:52] <patdk-lap> or wait forever to the source to be released, hope it's license compatable, and move it over[03:37:05] <Hexi> so likely not anytime soon at least[03:37:25] <unixfan> I'd love to see encryption brought to illumos zfs as well[03:37:54] <patdk-lap> with aes-ni support?[03:38:00] <unixfan> Rather than OS specific implementations like what freebsd does[03:38:12] <bdha> Hexi: You should watch the illumos group meeting from last week.[03:38:24] <bdha> Delphix talks about feature flags.[03:38:29] <unixfan> Or aes-xts[03:38:29] <Hexi> patdk-lap: well sure, I'm running on a westmere that supports the galios acceleration, so that would be sweet[03:38:38] <bdha> And no, we won't get crypto from Oracle.[03:38:43] <unixfan> Yes, that was a great meeting[03:39:00] <Hexi> bdha: thanks, I'll check that out[03:39:21] <unixfan> Very interesting challenge. Would be nice to see all of the "Open" zfs implementations do things the same way[03:39:44] <unixfan> Anyone have any idea when openindiana - stable/release will be out?[03:40:11] <unixfan> Joyent is doing regular releases now. Would be nice to see the same for openindiana[03:40:27] <bdha> SmartOS is somewhat less complicated than OI.[03:40:50] <bdha> And SmartOS is what Joyent uses for JPC. John does some packaging magic and there's SmartOS.[03:41:03] <bdha> OI has like three guys working on it. I'm sure they'd love help.[03:41:25] <unixfan> How do we get ahold of them?[03:41:49] <unixfan> I'd love to help out where I can.[03:41:59] <bdha> They're in here. But you could also check the bugtracker.[03:42:28] <bdha> https://www.illumos.org/projects/openindiana/issues[03:42:30] <unixfan> Is Alasdairrr one of the three?[03:42:33] <bdha> Yes.[03:42:56] <bdha> Three is just a number I made up. But it's a small group.[03:43:55] <unixfan> K. I've been working on getting a build system ready to go and running into a few snags. Is this the right channel or is oi-dev?[03:45:03] <bdha> oi-dev, probably, but if you submit work I'm sure someone will tell you. :)[03:46:05] <unixfan> Thanks! I'd like to submit too but need to get a build system up first.[03:53:04] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[03:55:50] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[03:59:59] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[04:03:20] *** unixfan has quit IRC[04:03:40] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[04:06:28] *** unixfan has quit IRC[04:06:40] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[04:21:00] *** unixfan has quit IRC[04:24:44] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[04:31:36] *** enmand has quit IRC[04:34:34] *** PLD has quit IRC[04:36:25] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[04:49:33] *** PLD has joined #openindiana[04:51:04] *** xzilla has joined #openindiana[04:51:05] *** Patrickdk has joined #openindiana[04:52:51] *** PLD has quit IRC[04:54:09] *** sdi has joined #openindiana[04:55:11] *** xzilla has quit IRC[05:03:12] *** Patrickdk has quit IRC[05:06:55] *** Patrickdk has joined #openindiana[05:08:20] *** analog_ has left #openindiana[05:11:24] *** xzilla has joined #openindiana[05:18:17] *** Tempt has quit IRC[05:22:49] *** Tempt has joined #openindiana[05:23:46] *** DocHoliday has quit IRC[05:25:03] *** xzilla has quit IRC[05:35:35] *** xzilla has joined #openindiana[05:38:46] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[05:45:24] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[05:51:16] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[05:54:02] *** kenon has quit IRC[06:31:15] *** unixfan has quit IRC[06:38:51] *** d_k has quit IRC[06:39:21] *** d_k has joined #openindiana[06:40:23] *** Alowishus has quit IRC[06:49:14] *** Alowishus has joined #openindiana[07:07:40] *** LeftWing has quit IRC[07:38:32] *** gerard13 has quit IRC[07:51:09] *** LeftWing has joined #openindiana[07:52:07] *** tsoome_ has joined #openindiana[07:54:09] *** tsoome has quit IRC[07:54:09] *** tsoome_ is now known as tsoome[08:09:02] *** dws6045 has joined #openindiana[08:09:29] *** rame has quit IRC[08:24:06] *** herzen has quit IRC[08:26:06] *** herzen has joined #openindiana[08:26:26] *** smrt has quit IRC[08:26:47] *** smrt has joined #openindiana[08:36:02] *** Vutral has quit IRC[08:38:01] *** unixfan has joined #openindiana[08:38:36] *** unixfan has quit IRC[08:49:17] *** Vutral has joined #openindiana[08:57:42] *** horsi has quit IRC[08:58:25] *** horsi has joined #openindiana[08:58:44] *** gerard13 has joined #openindiana[09:02:38] *** alanc has quit IRC[09:03:24] *** kooll has quit IRC[09:18:34] *** flyz has joined #openindiana[09:33:26] *** papertigers has quit IRC[09:46:45] *** papertigers has joined #openindiana[10:04:41] *** Wilbs has joined #openindiana[10:18:11] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[10:41:30] *** girafe has joined #openindiana[10:51:17] *** _Tenchi_ has quit IRC[10:53:22] *** _Tenchi_ has joined #openindiana[11:01:23] *** bens1 has quit IRC[11:06:59] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[11:09:37] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[11:22:46] *** master_of_master has quit IRC[11:24:01] *** master_of_master has joined #openindiana[11:40:00] *** Botanic has quit IRC[12:13:00] *** Wilbs has quit IRC[12:15:51] *** monta-` has joined #openindiana[12:29:47] *** jMCg has joined #openindiana[12:29:54] <jMCg> Hello happy people o/~[12:31:18] *** Wilbs has joined #openindiana[12:31:22] <jMCg> Following http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Installing+OpenIndiana I am successfully able to boot... No.. get a boot prompt on my Laptop.[12:31:49] <jMCg> However it fails to actually start the graphic console.[12:31:54] <jMCg> Is that a known issue?[12:34:24] *** Cobi has quit IRC[12:34:51] *** sdi has quit IRC[12:35:35] *** d_k has joined #openindiana[12:37:28] <jMCg> I'd really just like to have an Operating System on this laptop.[12:37:42] <jMCg> One that boots *from* the laptop, not an USB stick ._.[12:41:15] *** Tenzer has joined #openindiana[12:45:14] <lblume> Try an operating system that currently supports laptops, like Windows, Ubuntu, ...[12:46:58] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[12:47:50] <jMCg> lblume: I'm on a Fedora Live USB thingy right now.[12:48:09] <jMCg> I've got it installed on disk, but my laptop refuses to boot it.[12:48:17] <raichoo> hi folks[12:48:29] *** _404_Error_ has quit IRC[12:49:53] <lblume> jMCg: If you laptop cannot even boot Fedora, then you're probably screwed, it's not like any *solaris distro has better hardware support. Go Windows.[12:51:21] <jMCg> lblume: but I'm a Unix dork, I cannot use Windows.[12:51:27] <tsoome> lol[12:51:29] <tsoome> :D[12:51:29] *** Cobi has joined #openindiana[12:51:43] <tsoome> sell it and get better one[12:51:53] <lblume> Yeah[12:51:55] *** Zenos has joined #openindiana[12:52:00] <jMCg> Yeah, I thought that's probably the best option.[12:52:21] <tsoome> if you cant get linux up on it, thats an very strong sign[12:52:25] <jMCg> I'm even thinking of caving in and buying an Apple and never install an OS again. I hate computers.[12:52:44] <tsoome> even?:D[12:52:51] <lblume> Find a seller and properly explain what you want to do *before* giving money. And also, if possible, test it.[12:53:17] <tsoome> well, hardware compatibility lists are your friend[12:53:49] <jMCg> lblume: I need something that will run a shell, a compiler or two, VMs. That kind of thing. Maybe a browser would be fine too.[12:54:09] <lblume> I'm not a big fan of Apple, but yep, they are the only vendor that will sell you UNIX(R) on a workstation or laptop in this day and age.[12:54:29] <lblume> tsoome: No, they are not. I have been thoroughly screwed by Sun's HCL in the last years. They suck.[12:54:40] <tsoome> hm?[12:55:55] <jMCg> Now let's see if I can get Knoppix to boot Fedora.[12:56:07] <lblume> tsoome: Si3124 bug/audiohd bug/APIC bug/nvidia bug/x2100 bug... I[ m sure I'm missing some.[12:56:22] <tsoome> I see:)[12:56:44] *** Mech0z has joined #openindiana[12:57:40] <lblume> And when I got an AspireOne without checking it on the HCL. Worked like a charm... So nah, HCL are just a waste of time ;-)[13:03:28] *** InTheWings has joined #openindiana[13:21:58] *** movement has joined #openindiana[13:28:38] *** jw_urodoc_ has joined #openindiana[13:36:14] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[13:51:04] *** RobbieCrash has joined #openindiana[13:51:40] <RobbieCrash> Does anyone know why is this not setting inheritance on files? /usr/bin/chmod A=owner@:full_set:fd:allow /Data/Home[14:08:32] *** Wilbs has quit IRC[14:08:34] *** raichoo has quit IRC[14:10:51] *** _404_Error_ has joined #openindiana[14:16:07] *** Tenzer has quit IRC[14:18:37] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[14:27:45] *** bens1 has quit IRC[14:29:57] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[14:45:17] *** R_Lex has quit IRC[14:49:04] *** jollyd has quit IRC[15:02:52] *** R_Lex has joined #openindiana[15:19:40] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[15:25:39] *** enmand has joined #openindiana[15:27:39] *** Wilbs has joined #openindiana[15:30:47] *** d_k has quit IRC[15:35:54] *** koollman has joined #openindiana[15:47:12] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[15:48:33] *** kenon has quit IRC[15:52:19] *** enmand has quit IRC[16:02:29] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[16:05:34] *** n2deep_ has quit IRC[16:08:01] *** raichoo has quit IRC[16:16:55] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[16:18:58] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[16:20:59] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[16:24:10] *** _wilsonkk_ has quit IRC[16:37:23] *** _wilsonkk_ has joined #openindiana[16:45:28] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[16:58:16] *** Tenzer has joined #openindiana[17:03:44] *** kenon has quit IRC[17:05:53] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[17:15:26] *** alanc has joined #openindiana[17:15:26] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o alanc[17:15:37] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[17:18:48] *** kenon has quit IRC[17:31:58] *** jw_urodoc_ has quit IRC[17:39:24] *** [1]kimc has joined #openindiana[17:39:55] *** jw_urodoc has quit IRC[17:40:02] *** jw_urodoc has joined #openindiana[17:41:41] *** kimc has quit IRC[17:41:41] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[17:48:31] *** wickedwonka has quit IRC[17:56:30] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[17:59:03] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[18:02:31] *** kenon has quit IRC[18:02:46] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[18:03:25] <DrLou_> anyone know, offhand, the /etc/power(?, or other?) settings to get my soft reboot working again?[18:04:54] <Tenzer> You are talking about the "normal" reboots where it reaches the BIOS and then boots up again?[18:05:35] <DrLou_> Tenzer: normally, yes (though, at the moment, it's a crash reboot)[18:05:59] <DrLou_> bios settings have been checked... think they're all right.[18:06:27] <DrLou_> (IE, shouldn't the 'reboot' command work?)[18:06:47] <Tenzer> Ehm, I'm not sure I understand. I thought you were talking about doing reboots which just reload the OI kernel vs. reboots which reaches the BIOS prior to booting the operating system again[18:07:29] <DrLou_> Yes, I'm primarily talking about the former.[18:07:58] <Tenzer> Well, such a reboot should be used by default, ie. when you run "init 6"[18:08:19] <DrLou_> IE, lately: the reboot command on this machine - doesn't![18:08:43] <DrLou_> - is the 'reboot' command now preferred? I've heard various opinions on this.[18:10:02] <Tenzer> I personally prefer to use the "init" command, I know that it shuts down everything the right way, whereas "reboot" - at least in Solaris 10 - didn't necessarily shutdown everything correctly prior to rebooting[18:11:06] <DrLou_> I had always used the init 6 approach myself - but various folks here have suggested 'reboot' as the New Way[18:11:38] <Tenzer> Well, use whatever works for you :)[18:11:48] <alanc> reboot without going through the BIOS is called "fast reboot" in the docs & config files[18:11:55] <DrLou_> Yes, but my Q today is a bit different...[18:12:05] <DrLou_> Yes, alanc - fast reboot is what I'm trying to sort.[18:12:32] <DrLou_> the 'reboot' command worked on this box. Now I (must) have borked it.[18:13:02] <DrLou_> have been futzing with /etc/power to get around the SandyBridge problems.[18:13:18] <DrLou_> so, wondering if there's a key setting I can place to get reboot back.[18:14:18] <alanc> I think OI should use the same SMF configuration for that as S11: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19963-01/html/821-1451/gkgdm.html#gjppu[18:15:20] <DrLou_> OK, alanc - tks - some reading for me to do.[18:16:50] <DrLou_> odd, though, that I have changed nothing in /etc/system re the reboot settings - yet it used to work...[18:17:37] <alanc> it can also be smf settings or loading a driver that doesn't support the quiesce() routine that fast reboot needs[18:17:55] <alanc> such as switching from the Oracle-provided version of the nvidia driver to one provided by nvidia instead[18:18:15] <DrLou_> I noted that, yes - but have also not changed any drivers...[18:19:33] <DrLou_> it does seem the pcplusmp settings must be the variable here...[18:21:39] <DrLou_> do you know if BIOS HPET support helps/or hurts us in Oi?[18:24:24] *** Wilbs has quit IRC[18:29:21] *** Shep_Book has joined #openindiana[18:33:22] <DrLou_> Yeah, the 'reboot' command halts our zones, syncs filesystems (good!), then either freezes (common) or crashes (new!)[18:33:26] <DrLou_> Yay![18:36:10] *** axisys has quit IRC[18:37:00] *** axisys has joined #openindiana[18:38:40] *** bens1 has quit IRC[18:48:25] *** d_k has joined #openindiana[18:50:14] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[18:51:55] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[19:17:41] *** Jago has quit IRC[19:17:44] *** Jagoo has joined #openindiana[19:20:43] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[19:23:16] *** kenon has quit IRC[19:27:02] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[19:29:14] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[19:32:24] *** jollyd has joined #openindiana[19:36:42] *** LadySerena has joined #openindiana[19:39:55] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[19:40:22] *** n2deep has quit IRC[19:40:24] *** kenon has quit IRC[19:41:24] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[19:42:18] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[19:42:27] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[19:45:21] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[19:48:36] *** n2deep has quit IRC[19:50:34] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[19:56:09] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Triskelios[19:56:45] *** TomJ has quit IRC[19:59:25] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[20:01:56] *** kenon has quit IRC[20:02:02] *** bens1 has quit IRC[20:07:54] *** analog_ has joined #openindiana[20:09:24] *** n2deep has quit IRC[20:10:17] *** Cobi has quit IRC[20:11:27] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[20:13:51] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[20:17:18] *** Bdragon has quit IRC[20:22:32] *** Cobi has joined #openindiana[20:23:33] *** flyz has quit IRC[20:24:35] *** DeviceZer0 has quit IRC[20:34:33] *** kenon_ has quit IRC[20:36:15] *** kenon has joined #openindiana[20:45:03] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC[20:48:04] *** noahmehl has quit IRC[20:48:13] *** noahmehl has joined #openindiana[20:52:38] <RobbieCrash> Can someone tell me why is this not setting inheritance on files? /usr/bin/chmod A=owner@:full_set:fd:allow /Data/Home[20:52:58] <RobbieCrash> is the fd not supposed to set that to files and directories rinherit?[20:55:12] *** Mech0z has joined #openindiana[20:59:18] *** lblume has quit IRC[21:00:20] *** lblume has joined #openindiana[21:06:16] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[21:13:53] *** TomJ has joined #openindiana[21:13:53] *** TomJ has joined #openindiana[21:15:47] <RobbieCrash> nevermind, I see now. The inheritance is set, it just doesn't show up until you create a new file without explicitly setting the permissions on it.[21:20:23] *** hajma has joined #openindiana[21:31:44] *** RobbieCrash has quit IRC[21:31:53] *** RobbieCrash has joined #openindiana[21:33:07] *** d_k has quit IRC[21:43:49] *** Mech0z has joined #openindiana[21:46:56] *** kenon_ has joined #openindiana[21:48:23] *** [1]kimc has joined #openindiana[21:50:01] *** kenon has quit IRC[21:50:25] *** Bdragon has joined #openindiana[21:50:59] *** kimc has quit IRC[21:50:59] *** [1]kimc is now known as kimc[22:02:36] *** n2deep has quit IRC[22:02:57] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[22:04:50] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[22:05:02] *** ekix has quit IRC[22:05:11] *** PLD has joined #openindiana[22:07:15] *** ekix has joined #openindiana[22:16:11] *** spanglywires has joined #openindiana[22:22:32] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[22:22:45] *** spanglywires has quit IRC[22:25:01] *** raichoo has quit IRC[22:34:23] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[22:45:17] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[22:47:38] *** Mech0z has joined #openindiana[22:49:10] *** TomJ has quit IRC[22:52:03] *** bens1 has quit IRC[22:59:28] *** TomJ has joined #openindiana[22:59:28] *** TomJ has joined #openindiana[23:11:10] *** raichoo has joined #openindiana[23:15:14] *** RobbieCrash has quit IRC[23:20:43] *** voidcoder has joined #openindiana[23:23:51] *** ruse39 has quit IRC[23:26:46] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[23:26:46] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[23:42:26] *** Mech0z_ has joined #openindiana[23:45:17] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[23:58:58] *** Tenzer has quit IRC[23:59:49] *** TomJ has quit IRC[23:59:49] *** dws6045 has quit IRC