January 11, 2012 
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It boots off the USB key, then gets to the screen after the menu, and hangs. Anyone have any ideas what I can do? I'm trying to install on an i3 based system, 16GB RAM, and a bunch of hardware that I was using on a previous OI install.[02:33:32] <richlowe> in the menu, hit 'e' on the entry you're booting, add '-v' see if it appears to hang somewhere obvious.[02:33:37] <richlowe> it probably won't.[02:34:21] <RobbieCrash> haha, well at least not obvious to me.[02:34:25] <RobbieCrash> thanks[02:35:51] <RobbieCrash> right after mem = 16GB[02:36:14] <richlowe> that's shockingly early.[02:36:46] *** InTheWings has quit IRC[02:36:54] <RobbieCrash> what does it try to initialize after RAM?[02:37:07] <RobbieCrash> I see it finished going through all the CPU flags prior to that[02:37:21] <RobbieCrash> NIC?[02:37:33] <richlowe> everything, pretty much[02:37:45] <richlowe> at that point, it's still setting up the VM[02:37:58] <richlowe> if you boot with -kvd, it'll stop in the debugger very early, it'll look like [0]>[02:38:03] <richlowe> at that point, you type prom_debug/W 1[02:38:03] <richlowe> :c[02:38:10] <richlowe> it'll enable some extra logging during early boot, and then continue[02:38:13] <richlowe> it might say more[02:38:38] <richlowe> but if it's actually stopping that early, I'm not sure that what it does say would be entirely useful.[02:39:49] *** APTX_ is now known as APTX[02:39:54] <richlowe> if booting from USB, it may also be a good idea to give it longer to try to boot[02:40:04] <richlowe> there's been a bunch of people who've said it took fantasticly long, for no really obvious reason.[02:40:10] <RobbieCrash> Yeah, I sat and waited for about 15 minutes[02:40:13] <richlowe> though -v should give you the appearance of progress even then, I think[02:40:29] <RobbieCrash> like, the first time I mean, not with the -v[02:43:17] <RobbieCrash> startup_vm() done[02:43:26] <RobbieCrash> startup_modules() starting...[02:45:00] <richlowe> huh. If it doesn't progress, boot -kvd again, prom_debug again, but this time also: moddebug/W c0000000 (prior to the :c), makes it spew information as modules load.[02:45:12] <richlowe> but if you get there and are failing in somewhat expected ways, I'd expect it to panic.[02:46:17] <RobbieCrash> yeah, I think it is.[02:46:25] <RobbieCrash> CAD does nothing[02:46:56] *** Botanic has quit IRC[02:47:05] <richlowe> try pressing F1 and A together.[02:48:01] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[02:48:01] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[02:48:20] <richlowe> but that really is shockingly early to have found a way to wedge[02:49:02] <RobbieCrash> It's a new mobo/CPU and RAM, so it could just be bad hardware bungling something[02:49:25] <RobbieCrash> everything else was in my box that died and worked fine.[02:53:45] *** Mech0z has quit IRC[02:54:11] *** laogrymt has quit IRC[02:54:40] <RobbieCrash> load 'drv/isa' id 22 loaded @ addr;installing isa, module id 22, init 'drv/isa' loaded @ addr; then nothing[02:57:03] <RobbieCrash> kobj can't open /platform/i86pc/kernel/kbdb/amd64/isa; kobj_open: can't open /kernel/kmdb/amd64/isa; kobj_open: can't open /usr/kernel/kmdb/amd64/isa; kobj_close:0x8b is what's before that[03:03:45] *** Botanic has quit IRC[03:04:58] <DrLou_> once a sysidcfg file has been copied to a newly-created zone, what's the login magic to read it?[03:04:58] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[03:04:58] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[03:06:13] *** enmand has quit IRC[03:18:54] <richlowe> RobbieCrash: the kmdb noise isn't a big deal, I think isa loads sufficiently early that it might actually be a culprit.[03:19:00] <richlowe> but I'm not sure what could be done to further narrow it down.[03:19:08] *** Botanic has quit IRC[03:19:10] <RobbieCrash> what is isa?[03:19:22] <richlowe> driver for the ISA bus[03:19:40] <richlowe> these days, practically, those bits of an x86 system that have to pretend to be ISA for backward compatibility reasons.[03:19:46] <RobbieCrash> yeah[03:20:23] *** analog_ has joined #openindiana[03:20:27] <RobbieCrash> I was like 'uh... is there some /new/ isa? cause the oldest slot on my mobo is a pci slot."[03:20:39] <Patrickdk> yuk[03:20:56] <analog_> what SAS expander/SAS controller combination is particularly well supported under OI ?[03:20:56] <Patrickdk> I remember all the extra asm wait instructions when doing isa[03:21:50] <Patrickdk> how do you mean, supported under oi?[03:21:52] <analog_> im looking at the HP 410 and HP expander[03:21:59] <Patrickdk> expenders aren't an os issue[03:22:08] <RobbieCrash> ok, I'm looking at something about getting breakpoints working in the debug. I suppose the proper thing for me to do would be submit a bug and somehow redirect this text into something postable?[03:22:12] <Patrickdk> they are a harddrive/hba issue[03:22:20] <analog_> works well OOBE without hassle, proven solution. like intel network cards under any os.[03:22:39] <Patrickdk> intel e1000g haven't had a good reputation :)[03:23:01] <analog_> g? never heard of that variation.[03:23:23] <Patrickdk> well, if you want something that works good, you probably want to use an lsi hba, with an lsi expander[03:23:33] <analog_> okay.[03:23:38] <Patrickdk> so look at intel or chebro expanders[03:23:45] <Patrickdk> what kind of drives?[03:23:54] <RobbieCrash> I have had good luck with my LSI SAS controller in OI[03:23:58] <Patrickdk> supermicro expenders are also lsi[03:24:23] <analog_> so ibm m1015 and something[03:24:33] <Patrickdk> no[03:24:35] <analog_> drives are a mixture of consumer sata disks[03:24:43] *** POloser has joined #openindiana[03:24:44] <Patrickdk> you want a sas2 card, not sas1[03:25:00] <Patrickdk> consumer sata's hardly ever work with expenders[03:25:16] *** Ownage has quit IRC[03:25:36] <analog_> ah, okay. im using a pricewatch and the newer card isnt listed i think[03:25:48] <RobbieCrash> analog_ I got a LSI SAS9211-8i which is running 8 mixed consumer drives. I write at about 300MB/sec sustained and read at about 500[03:25:58] <Patrickdk> heh? 9211-8i?[03:26:04] <RobbieCrash> I think it was like 120[03:27:03] <analog_> and the expander?[03:27:06] <Patrickdk> if your using a bunch of consumer drives, don't use an expender[03:27:13] <Patrickdk> use a crapload of hba's[03:27:33] <analog_> really?[03:27:47] <Patrickdk> consumer drives don't like expenders[03:27:53] <Patrickdk> they where not made for them, they aren't reliable[03:27:58] <Patrickdk> they are *consumer* drives[03:28:17] <analog_> because, it is kinda physically harder to connect 20+ drives in a single case.[03:28:35] <RobbieCrash> no expander, just the controller http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118112 never had luck with expanders outside of work[03:28:35] <Patrickdk> then you need to buy drives that you know are expender friendly[03:28:51] <analog_> well, isnt that the point of the 21st cent. design: stupid hardware (cheap), smart software (zfs)[03:29:13] <Patrickdk> until you through expender into the mix[03:29:19] <analog_> hm, okay.[03:29:23] <Patrickdk> supid hardware + smart expender = crap mixture[03:29:23] <analog_> kinda breaks my plan.[03:29:31] <Patrickdk> nothing zfs can fix[03:30:01] <analog_> okay, hm, just means ill have to turn an ikea shelf into a case.[03:30:01] <Patrickdk> wd are known not to work at all[03:30:12] <Patrickdk> unless your have 2+ year old firmware on them, then they have a chance[03:30:19] <analog_> it's seagate samsung and seagate sas drives which i know work with expander[03:30:24] <Patrickdk> I think seagates are a mixed work/fail[03:30:29] <Patrickdk> no idea about samsung[03:30:38] <Patrickdk> hitachi normally work, but bought by wd now :([03:30:47] <analog_> hm, i might better avoid if it is potential to fail[03:31:06] <Patrickdk> well, for the price of the expender you get a second hba[03:31:13] <Patrickdk> that gives you 16 drive ports :)[03:31:18] <analog_> vs 24+8[03:31:22] <analog_> but okay.[03:31:22] <Patrickdk> maybe even two hba's for the expenders price[03:31:45] <Patrickdk> then a crapload of m1015 would be ok off ebay or whatever[03:31:48] <analog_> also, unrelated and probably not the place to ask. but anyone know about 2TB disk support and HP P600 card[03:31:49] <Patrickdk> 3g would be good enough[03:32:12] <Patrickdk> what about 2tb disk support? and what about p600?[03:32:25] <analog_> whether they work[03:32:35] <Patrickdk> why wouldn't 2tb disks work?[03:32:41] <analog_> because they failed under ESXi but am wondering if it's ESXi realted or just the hardware[03:32:54] <analog_> (im looking into replacing ESXi with OI btw)[03:33:05] *** freakazoid0223 has joined #openindiana[03:33:13] <Patrickdk> how could that fail under esxi?[03:33:18] <Patrickdk> did you not install the drivers?[03:33:27] <analog_> didnt have to, oobe support[03:33:35] <analog_> and just didnt recognize the drives.[03:34:33] <Patrickdk> oh, that would be a limitation of the p600 card[03:34:42] <Patrickdk> no software will get around that[03:34:48] <Patrickdk> it would need a firmware update[03:36:37] <analog_> i have the following http://pastebin.com/LiFxuT7u and want to turn it into a giant storage box, but was wondering if i should replace my HP P600s with those previously mentioned LSI SAS9211-8i cards[03:36:50] <analog_> hm, i think i updated both already so ill have to swap then anyway.[03:38:42] <RobbieCrash> Do you need to replace your P600s?[03:39:02] <analog_> if i want to attach a bunch of 2TB disks yes.[03:39:08] <analog_> or i could just add.[03:39:20] <analog_> power consumption wise they share 60W between both[03:39:53] <analog_> i could keep them for another 12 1TB drives.[03:40:38] <RobbieCrash> I've got 8 2TB drives attached to that LSI and it works great for streaming HD video to multiple clients. That's about as much of a recommendation as I can give.[03:41:08] <analog_> im not surprised 8 drives can saturate gigabit.[03:41:26] <analog_> plan is to add infiniband later[03:41:44] <RobbieCrash> dual gigabit, but yeah, still.[03:42:55] <analog_> but the lsi card is a good recommendation, i could add two of those and still put in 2 mellanox ib cards, then the box is pretty much maxed out in any conceivable way[03:44:06] <analog_> totals 46 ports and 30 have 2TB support.[03:44:21] *** gotwf has joined #openindiana[03:44:42] *** dajhorn has quit IRC[03:47:06] *** _404_Error_ has joined #openindiana[03:47:13] <patdk-lap> I have 20 drives saturating infiniband[03:47:44] <patdk-lap> you seriously think you can max out 4 infiniband links from a single box?[03:48:26] <patdk-lap> I can stream 15gbit, but then my box is used for all random i/o, I'm lucky if I get >6mbit[03:49:10] <analog_> point is not to saturate, just >100MB/client[03:49:13] <patdk-lap> my home movie box, well, I could really care less what it does, as long as it keeps pumping out a good 50mbit[03:49:34] <analog_> idea is to connect one or two to other virtualization boxes, and one to a win7 client (booting from it would be nice)[03:49:47] <patdk-lap> analog_, that would be 8clients per 10gbit inifniband link[03:50:18] <patdk-lap> ipxe will boot directly off ib[03:50:57] <analog_> okay. and depending on my mate living just under me, maybe daisy chain one connection to his debian fileserver and then to his deskop clien[03:51:22] <patdk-lap> as long as you know ib cables max out at 30 feet[03:51:34] <analog_> that should work out.[03:51:49] <analog_> also, i've seen fiber IB cables but im unsure if that works[03:51:57] <analog_> is the tranceiver integrated in the cable or .oO[03:52:09] <analog_> because they use copper connections[03:52:30] <patdk-lap> hmm, all fiber uses copper connetions[03:52:38] <analog_> like this[03:52:38] <analog_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-448057-B30-50M-CX4-CX4-Fiber-Optic-Cable-DDR-Ready-/190539908529?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5d1045b1[03:52:50] <analog_> well, SX cables are just fiber, and the switch has the tranceiver[03:54:03] <analog_> patdk-lap: what does your IB home server thingie has specwise?[03:54:14] <patdk-lap> hmm?[03:54:46] <analog_> cpu/ram/chipset/disks..[03:56:19] <patdk-lap> x3470, 24gigs ram, 20 2gig disks, 2 60gig ssd, 2 20gig ssd, 2 laptop boot drives, 4 intel nics, and dual ib[03:56:36] *** intifadeh is now known as raijin[03:57:00] <analog_> okay, and the zfs setup?[03:57:14] <patdk-lap> heh? there is more than one way?[03:57:52] <analog_> what is the proper way then?[03:57:58] <patdk-lap> zfs crreate pool/fs[03:58:24] <patdk-lap> well, make a bunch of zvol's too with zfs[03:58:35] <analog_> i mean, what is your zfs configuration on that[03:58:44] <patdk-lap> s/zfs/zpool[03:58:48] <patdk-lap> ask what you want[03:58:55] <analog_> zpool[03:59:01] <analog_> raidz that sort of stuff[03:59:08] <patdk-lap> only mirrors[03:59:25] <analog_> 10 times 2 disk in mirror?[03:59:33] <patdk-lap> 9 times 2[03:59:40] <analog_> a particular reason?[03:59:45] <patdk-lap> 2 spares[03:59:55] <analog_> becasue it seems disk space inefficient that way[04:00:03] <patdk-lap> why?[04:00:10] <analog_> you lose over 50%[04:00:19] <patdk-lap> na, I didn't loose anything[04:00:35] <patdk-lap> you loose a whole crapload when you start playing with raidz's[04:00:45] <analog_> okay, im confused know[04:00:49] <analog_> now[04:01:02] <analog_> you mean, mirror as in raid 1 or raid 0 ?[04:01:19] <patdk-lap> do you know what raid1 or raid0 are?[04:01:48] <analog_> yes.[04:01:50] <patdk-lap> mirror can only ever mean one of those two[04:01:55] <patdk-lap> no idea why you have to ask[04:02:06] <analog_> then you do lose 50% of raw disk space ?[04:02:11] <alanc> mirror can only ever mean raid 1 - raid 0 is not mirrored[04:02:15] <analog_> i know[04:02:31] <analog_> so why do you say, mirror is disk space efficient vs. raidz[04:02:34] <patdk-lap> I lost 50% of space, to make it 100% faster[04:02:44] <patdk-lap> I never said it was disk space efficient[04:02:52] <analog_> "patdk-lap na, I didn't loose anything"[04:02:55] <patdk-lap> I said I didn't loose anything[04:03:00] <patdk-lap> I never lost iops[04:03:13] <patdk-lap> and iops is the only thing that matters to me[04:03:15] <analog_> ugh, then yes, same wavelength[04:03:27] <patdk-lap> with raidz, you loose all your iops[04:03:37] <patdk-lap> 8 disk raidz, gets the iops of 1 drive[04:03:46] <analog_> true, but i figured you don't have your SSDs doing nothing now?[04:03:50] <patdk-lap> like to see a vm cluster run on that[04:04:11] <patdk-lap> zvol's don't hit the ssd[04:04:16] *** kart_ has joined #openindiana[04:05:20] <analog_> you dont use them for l2arc?[04:05:25] <patdk-lap> yes[04:05:30] <patdk-lap> and at full capacity[04:05:32] <analog_> elaborate?[04:05:36] <patdk-lap> I still put about 10% load on the disks[04:05:47] <patdk-lap> and a whole crapload of load on the ssd's[04:05:54] <patdk-lap> elaborate?[04:05:59] <analog_> why this choice ?[04:06:09] <patdk-lap> no matter how much ssd's you have, you will still hit the disks[04:06:15] <patdk-lap> ssd's don't replae disk load[04:06:16] <analog_> so the ssds are a separate volume[04:06:17] <patdk-lap> they an help[04:06:22] <patdk-lap> heh?[04:06:30] <patdk-lap> how is l2arc a seperate volume?[04:06:40] <analog_> in your config[04:06:44] <patdk-lap> ssd's aren't some magical, make my disks all better fix[04:06:58] <patdk-lap> zil and l2arc can only do so much[04:07:09] <analog_> okay.[04:07:11] <patdk-lap> they can't overcome poor design choices[04:07:38] <patdk-lap> I get 90% ram hit rate[04:07:41] <patdk-lap> 8% ssd hit rate[04:07:47] <patdk-lap> that leaves 2% hitting the disks[04:07:56] <patdk-lap> if my 20 disks are 10% busy from that 2%[04:08:06] <patdk-lap> I would say my arc and l2arc are doing pretty damned good[04:08:19] <analog_> uhu.[04:08:34] <patdk-lap> if I switched to raidz, that 10% busy would be well over 80%[04:08:55] <patdk-lap> I would need 50 disks?[04:10:07] <patdk-lap> the old system was overloaded, it was a raidz of 36 disks[04:10:16] <analog_> so why did you decided that those 20 drives needed offloading. what difference does it make that they are 80% or 10% busy ?[04:10:24] <patdk-lap> well, netapp raiddp of 3 shelfs[04:10:42] <patdk-lap> what difference?[04:10:51] <patdk-lap> do you know anything about latency?[04:11:01] <patdk-lap> why do I want my shit to be overloaded, when I just put it in[04:11:04] <patdk-lap> it should last[04:11:11] <patdk-lap> it shouldn't be stressed on day 1[04:11:15] <analog_> okay.[04:11:22] <analog_> loads evolve.[04:11:33] <patdk-lap> never seen it happen[04:11:37] <patdk-lap> loads get bigger[04:12:08] <analog_> and yes i know about latency, i might seem like a moron, but im just not that familiar with >20 disk setups.[04:12:44] <patdk-lap> I just don't know why I would want my system to be loaded to the max to start with[04:12:49] <patdk-lap> when there is no need for it[04:13:04] <patdk-lap> raidz is ok, but ONLY for storing streaming info[04:13:16] <patdk-lap> not for storing vm's and other random i/o applications[04:13:24] <patdk-lap> now if you have enough disks[04:13:33] <patdk-lap> that you can create like 8+ raidz's in a pool[04:13:33] <analog_> okay, so ill consider creating multiple pools[04:13:41] <patdk-lap> then it can work alright[04:14:01] <patdk-lap> but the amount of raw disks needed for that starts large[04:14:22] <analog_> like i said before, im orienting to replace/upgrade my current box and am looking for the best solution (as in buy an entirely new box)[04:14:54] <patdk-lap> I've been happy with the i3 line so far[04:15:09] <analog_> intel i3 ? that'd be downgrading really.[04:15:10] <patdk-lap> core2's seem to run like crap for me[04:15:20] <patdk-lap> e3470 is the server i3 line[04:15:30] <patdk-lap> x3470 that is[04:15:41] <analog_> s1336 or ?[04:15:52] <patdk-lap> heh?[04:16:00] <analog_> ah 1156[04:16:35] <patdk-lap> this e8400 runs like crap[04:16:38] <patdk-lap> had toreplace it[04:16:42] <analog_> okay.[04:17:14] <patdk-lap> oh, I would attempt to run your ib in connected mode if possible[04:17:19] <patdk-lap> it really streams then :)[04:17:30] <patdk-lap> but seems lots of people have issues with connected mode[04:18:46] <analog_> can you actually do spindown on zfs ?[04:19:01] <analog_> because certain volumes are only used during the day.[04:19:22] <patdk-lap> what good would that do?[04:19:29] <patdk-lap> you would have to export a zpool[04:20:30] <analog_> it would save power. like alot.[04:20:37] *** wickedwonka has quit IRC[04:23:38] *** tsoome has quit IRC[04:23:50] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[04:31:02] *** wiseen has quit IRC[04:36:29] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[04:42:23] *** Edgeman has joined #openindiana[04:43:05] *** wiseen has joined #openindiana[04:53:43] <gentoofan> Is anyone watching this: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/illumos-user-group[04:56:50] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[04:59:43] <alanc> probably more of the folks in #illumos are[05:00:23] <richlowe> I'm listening, somewhat.[05:00:55] *** Edgeman has joined #openindiana[05:04:31] *** Ownage has joined #openindiana[05:05:23] *** Norrin has joined #openindiana[05:05:25] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[05:17:28] *** Edgeman has joined #openindiana[05:27:54] *** Edgeman has quit IRC[05:32:51] *** Edgeman has joined #openindiana[05:35:21] *** wiseen has quit IRC[05:36:41] *** flyz_ has joined #openindiana[05:38:12] *** sergiosanche has joined #openindiana[05:38:41] *** flyz has quit IRC[05:40:38] <DrLou_> is that mouthwash ad somehow related to illumos?[05:41:38] <richlowe> the advert it's allegedly showing goes away, then it's delphix folks talking about ZFS[05:42:38] *** sergiosanche has quit IRC[05:44:51] <DrLou_> watching.... (But am suddenly self-conscious about my breath...)[05:47:29] <alanc> should try to feed it keywords to make it show lawnmower advertisements instead[05:48:13] <alanc> though if it was an ad for cscope instead of scope mouthwash...[05:48:16] <richlowe> someone should put together a gdamore-less edit[05:48:23] <richlowe> 'cos I've already heard those bits.[05:48:32] <richlowe> and then go at it Lucas-style, a big "NOOOOOOOO" at the end[05:48:33] <richlowe> etc.[05:50:29] <DrLou_> I'm sensing Bryan is about to chime in - dunno why...[05:50:30] *** brougham has quit IRC[05:50:33] <alanc> <breathing="heavy, mechanical">I am altering the API. Pray I don't alter it any further.</breathing>[05:55:02] <DrLou_> what did I tell ya?[05:56:00] *** brougham has joined #openindiana[05:56:11] <DrLou_> I see a nightmare of feature branching in our future[05:56:18] <richlowe> That was already the case[05:56:24] <richlowe> but they were based on a single global integer[05:56:29] <richlowe> so oracle version 29 means something[05:56:33] <richlowe> if we used 29, we'd corrupt your oracle pool[05:56:34] <richlowe> and they ours.[05:56:39] <DrLou_> And a bit of 'my feature can beat up your feature'[05:56:41] <richlowe> (in practice, we'd each crash out, really)[05:56:52] <richlowe> this is a scheme by which we can not crash eachother, for any "we" and "eachother"[05:56:59] <DrLou_> I know, I know. I'm just cringing in fear a little bit.[05:57:08] <richlowe> so basically, this actually makes things much better[05:57:22] <richlowe> you'd have to be an idiot to implement a truly proprietary ZFS feature while not being Oracle[05:57:34] <richlowe> for a start, because of the mess you'd have to make of your sources to isolate it from the terms of the CDDL[05:57:48] <DrLou_> I do get it. And remain essentially optimistic.[05:58:03] <DrLou_> (nervously, essentially optimistic.)[05:58:23] <richlowe> I wish it'd always worked basically in this fashion, myself.[05:58:46] <richlowe> I was also thinking recently about the thread regarding making dedup much harder to notice[05:59:28] <DrLou_> btw, alanc - your recent missive (the other evening) has gotten me off the dime - working on our build system[06:01:40] <richlowe> what'd I miss?[06:02:12] <alanc> I was trying to remember myself - too many different conversations[06:02:30] <alanc> hopefully it was one of my less stupid responses[06:06:11] <DrLou_> nothing too stupid...[06:07:15] <DrLou_> More of an observation that 'lots of folks have offered to build, but not so many are following through...' (<- pardon the broad paraphrasing...)[06:07:35] <DrLou_> I chose to take this on as marching orders.[06:08:57] <DrLou_> (now I need a toyota to go with my minty-fresh breath)[06:09:11] *** keremet has joined #openindiana[06:25:17] *** gregburd has quit IRC[06:25:18] *** sergiosanche has joined #openindiana[06:26:19] *** analog_ has quit IRC[06:26:38] <DrLou_> ...and that last point is the rub.[06:30:00] *** elgar has quit IRC[06:34:53] <DrLou_> You guys happy?[06:36:16] <richlowe> the challenge in getting stuff done is the unexpected barriers where you need someone else to do crap too[06:36:30] <richlowe> it's probably a good idea to not wait for people[06:36:44] <richlowe> if you have the bandwidth, a more up-to-date pkg repo containing the /experimental stuff could only be useful, for eg.[06:37:20] <DrLou_> am working on /experimental, in fact[06:38:02] <DrLou_> Have it done on Vbox - trying now to get it all in a zone (big kudos to saablover for his help)[06:38:28] <DrLou_> Alasdairrr really got me going many weeks ago[06:39:19] <DrLou_> We want to get it as widely - and as quickly - available as possible.[06:39:47] <DrLou_> I've been compiling notes, staging it up to the wiki[06:48:53] *** DrLou_ has quit IRC[06:49:44] *** analog_ has joined #openindiana[06:54:53] *** gregburd has joined #openindiana[06:58:15] *** noahmehl has quit IRC[07:03:53] <analog_> patdk-wk: i modeled my box to your design, any suggestions maybe? http://pastebin.com/Mvn5fB1e[07:05:25] *** wickedwonka has joined #openindiana[07:11:26] *** Ownage has quit IRC[07:19:36] *** sergiosanche has quit IRC[07:20:38] *** johest has quit IRC[07:22:14] *** axisys has quit IRC[07:30:26] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[07:39:34] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[07:40:30] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[07:40:35] *** Botanic_ has quit IRC[07:41:32] *** Botanic has quit IRC[07:41:37] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[07:41:37] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[07:41:39] *** TBCOOL has joined #openindiana[07:57:41] *** DerSaidin has quit IRC[07:57:41] *** DerSaidin has joined #openindiana[07:59:19] <analog_> how does raidz scale on SSD disks?[08:00:02] <analog_> say a raidz1 on four ssds? performance wise one ssd worth of iops or does it scale more faster than with hard disks?[08:04:20] *** licenser has joined #openindiana[08:14:55] *** freakazoid0223 has quit IRC[08:21:27] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[08:24:36] *** analog_ has left #openindiana[08:26:17] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[08:26:54] *** DeviceZer0 has quit IRC[08:27:08] *** Triskelios has joined #openindiana[08:27:31] *** DeviceZer0 has joined #openindiana[08:48:49] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[09:05:10] *** |AbsyntH| has joined #openindiana[09:07:23] *** xmikus01 has quit IRC[09:12:43] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[09:15:01] <madwizard> Coffee[09:16:16] *** Botanic has quit IRC[09:20:37] <lblume> madwizard: Completely.[09:21:27] *** synegy34 has quit IRC[09:21:48] <madwizard> :)[09:21:58] *** fiyawerx has quit IRC[09:33:29] *** axisys has joined #openindiana[09:33:44] *** SH0x has joined #openindiana[09:48:28] *** alcir has joined #openindiana[09:56:48] <EisNerd> moin, how could I check the size of a naked blockdevice in solaris (linux: fdisk -l /dev/sda, blockdev --getsize /dev/sda , cat cat /sys/class/block/sda/size)[10:00:31] <tsoome> fdisk, format, iostat -En….[10:01:36] *** axisys has quit IRC[10:01:44] <Agnar> EisNerd: dd if=/dev/dsk/foo of=/dev/null bs=1k and see how many blocks were read :P[10:02:31] <EisNerd> tsoome: iostat -En is fine[10:02:48] <EisNerd> thx[10:06:06] <EisNerd> uhm rescanning fc luns was devfsadm?[10:06:43] <EisNerd> damn, I always forget how to online resize fc luns[10:06:59] <EisNerd> or better how to make solaris recognize it[10:17:03] *** tsoome has quit IRC[10:17:13] *** Krazypoloc has quit IRC[10:24:30] *** bens1 has joined #openindiana[10:28:27] *** Whoopsie has joined #openindiana[10:28:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Whoopsie[10:34:32] *** Botanic_ has quit IRC[10:34:36] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[10:34:36] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[10:40:45] *** axisys has joined #openindiana[10:44:32] *** wilsonkk has joined #openindiana[10:45:59] *** tsoome has joined #openindiana[10:46:41] *** SH0x has quit IRC[10:47:57] *** SH0x has joined #openindiana[10:49:28] <tsoome> resizing luns depends on how are you using them really.[10:51:18] *** Guy- has quit IRC[10:52:32] *** Guy- has joined #openindiana[10:56:49] *** Guy- has quit IRC[10:57:07] *** Guy- has joined #openindiana[11:02:12] <RobbieCrash> If I have a machine with 32GB RAM, the biggest log drive that makes any sense is ~32GB, right? I have an 80GB SSD that I'd like to use, can I use the first 32 for a log, and the other 48 as cache space? I don't have much concurrent read/write activity.[11:04:42] <POloser> 4-8gb zil is enough[11:05:19] <licenser> is ZIL actually increasing write performance or just guaranteeing higher persistence?[11:05:24] <licenser> I am still not entirely sure on that[11:06:00] <POloser> if you have much sync writes it increasing performance[11:08:05] *** floogy__ has joined #openindiana[11:09:17] <tsoome> max slog you need is ram/2[11:09:48] <tsoome> and that size is only the case if you have really huge sync mode write workload[11:10:08] *** floogy_ has quit IRC[11:13:18] <sensille> licenser: it doesn't increase persistence, only performance[11:13:45] <licenser> sensille, POloser thanks for the intel :) the ZIL always confused me I get ARC but ZIL is, odd[11:14:29] <sensille> calling it zil is part of the confusion[11:14:53] <sensille> if you dedicate an SSD it's called slog[11:15:20] <sensille> standing for 'separate log'[11:15:39] *** sergiosanche has joined #openindiana[11:16:28] <tsoome> Size of a request header field exceeds server limit. …. 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I think OI and illumos has more responsive community[15:17:01] <madwizard> And just remember that "[...] for any commercial production purposes, you must obtain a valid license permitting such use."[15:18:17] <AlecTaylor> What's your package manager?[15:18:41] <madwizard> ips[15:18:45] <madwizard> Just like s 11[15:21:58] <DrLou_> lblume: Est-ce que vous êtes la?[15:22:24] <DrLou_> or others who've been bitten by the interrupt storm on SandyBridge...[15:22:25] * lblume est là.[15:22:30] <DrLou_> ' morning, all...[15:22:51] <DrLou_> oh, yes - I must exercise my keyboard better![15:23:07] *** AlecTaylor has quit IRC[15:23:24] <DrLou_> ... is dev-il the path forward toward fixing the storm problem?[15:23:40] <madwizard> More like sat-an[15:24:25] <lblume> DrLou_: Can't answer, I cannot use OI for other reasons. I'm still on S11.[15:24:40] <DrLou_> madwizard: you've set up your own repo alchemy, no doubt(!)[15:25:04] <DrLou_> lblume: tks for that - but, may I ask where you left the state of things as you were testing this?[15:25:05] <madwizard> Coffee[15:25:28] <DrLou_> our test machine gets to 3+ _million_ interrupt faults after 2 days![15:26:59] <madwizard> wow[15:27:18] <lblume> DrLou_: Just replied an email about it on the Solaris x86 Yahoo group :-)[15:27:51] <DrLou_> madwizard: right? no amount of coffee will fix _this_ ![15:28:16] * DrLou_ goes to join another email group...[15:31:05] <DrLou_> lblume: ok, yes, your note there is helpful...[15:31:31] <DrLou_> 'cause ours is one of these machines which does not have apix.[15:31:55] <DrLou_> Performance is not generally atrocious, however - at least, not until it freezes solid![15:32:16] *** tsoome has quit IRC[15:34:08] *** hajma_ has joined #openindiana[15:36:43] *** elgar has joined #openindiana[15:39:00] <lblume> DrLou_: Copying files from one zpool to another at less than 10 MB/s with the whole system being unresponsive while it lasts, for example.[15:40:48] <DrLou_> funny, I am seeing zpool errors which only appear after the interrupt fault count has risen...[15:41:19] <lblume> I never had issues. Maybe you have a separate problem.[15:41:29] <DrLou_> I suspect this problem is at the core of most weirdness - will try your suggested setting.[15:41:53] <DrLou_> You may be right - trying to knock down the variables one by one[15:42:31] <lblume> zpool checksum errors? 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But it hasn't been taking snapshots[18:55:37] <linux00002> why not?[18:59:42] *** elmex04 has joined #openindiana[18:59:53] <elmex04> hi @all[19:00:12] <elmex04> cld someone plz tell me ow to mount a ntfs partition on oi151?[19:00:20] <elmex04> +h[19:02:50] *** sergiosanche has joined #openindiana[19:04:20] <jurikm> linux00002: what does it mean "you have it enabled?" SMF services? Why do you think it is not taking snapshosts?[19:04:47] <jurikm> elmex04: you would need to build FUSE and install ntfs-fuse.[19:06:10] <elmex04> jurikm: thx. are pkg available?[19:06:21] <elmex04> im not the "builder" :-)[19:06:25] <linux00002> jurikm: I have the SMF service enabled, yes. I tried to list snapshots 'zfs list -rt snapshot' and the list is empty[19:07:10] <jurikm> elmex04: http://pkg.openindiana.org/sfe/ seems to have them[19:07:53] *** sergiosanche has quit IRC[19:08:16] <jurikm> linux00002: it is time I was looking at those services, give me a second[19:09:08] <tomww> oh, ntfs and fuse in in the works here right now. spent days on that crap while trying to update to a newer ntfs-3g relese. no going with the old 2010.1.xx one and libfuse relocated to /usr/gnu/[19:09:46] <tomww> ntfs-3g looks being polluted now (linuxisation)[19:10:27] <jurikm> tomww: no surprise as the interest from OpenSolaris dropped...[19:11:18] *** Worsoe has joined #openindiana[19:12:08] <Tenzer> linux00002: automatic snapshots are broken in all of the OI releases (afaik): https://www.illumos.org/issues/1179[19:12:27] <tomww> well, "attr" program and lib would be needed for more fresh ntfs-3g as it looks to me, but "attr" is not friendly to *olaris. this would need a real C-programmer to check if that could be made work[19:12:29] <linux00002> damn[19:14:47] <linux00002> hm, my system isn't exhibiting the same behavior as on the bug 'Reason: Dependency svc:/system/filesystem/zfssnap-roleadd is absent.' Mine says 'online'[19:14:56] <Tenzer> linux00002: I am pretty sure you can find scripts on the internet people use to do automatic snapshots, I don't have any particular in mind, but it's worth a shot[19:15:21] <jurikm> Tenzer: are you sure? I can enable the service without problem[19:15:33] <jurikm> It seems it is some problem with upgraded systems.[19:15:35] <Tenzer> jurikm: That's what linux00002 did, but it isn't taking any snapshots[19:15:56] <Tenzer> Why would it then be mentioned in the oi_151 release notes? http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/oi_151a+Release+Notes[19:16:14] <jurikm> Tenzer: as you can see, linux00002 has the service running[19:16:27] *** monta-` has quit IRC[19:16:30] <jurikm> so it is different issue then[19:17:36] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[19:17:36] *** Botanic has joined #openindiana[19:18:46] <elmex04> hmmm, I've just installed fusefs and am wondering how to mount the partition now!?[19:19:30] <tomww> you need a ntfs-3g or something as well[19:19:39] <elmex04> upps[19:19:41] <tomww> fusefs is no knowing what ntfs is[19:20:03] <elmex04> tomww: ....hmmm, - yes thats right....[19:20:15] <elmex04> couldn't find a package in sfe .-([19:20:21] <tomww> system/file-system/ntfs-3g[19:20:38] <tomww> I can see that in herzen's sfe repos for oi[19:21:19] <elmex04> hehehe...found it! I didn't see the "here" link - well, it's a bit small anyway.-)[19:21:27] <elmex04> thanx![19:21:34] *** girafe has joined #openindiana[19:22:04] <tomww> yes, thats a design by a programmer and not a website designer .)[19:22:50] <tomww> programmers don't search visually, they use "/" in firefox or Ctrl-<findkotkey> in IE (oops)[19:22:55] <tomww> and search for "here" :-)[19:23:03] <tomww> make sense?[19:23:20] <elmex04> yes! big big sense.....lol[19:23:56] <elmex04> im glad it's available and I could install it. everything else is just "getting used to it" .-)[19:24:34] <elmex04> so everything is installed.[19:24:49] <elmex04> how to mount now? automount doesn't pop up :-([19:25:00] <tomww> to address the dos-style-partiton number is accessible by e.g. /dev/dsk/c0t0d0p1 for the first primary parttion (1..4) and 5..<many> are the logical drives inside the extended partitions[19:25:11] <tomww> read the ntfs-3g instructions[19:25:15] <tomww> thats userland ...[19:25:30] <tomww> something like ntfs-3g ro from to[19:26:04] <tomww> I don't know if the ntfs-3g in that version can write or if that is something which need to be enabled at compile time ...[19:26:05] <herzen> several bugs in fusefs got reported recently, but I don't know if anyone is going to do anything about them: https://www.illumos.org/projects/oi-sfe/issues[19:26:06] <elmex04> tomww: thx. :-) btw. you are the ulm-one!?[19:26:16] <tomww> uh well ..[19:26:30] <tomww> always display something people can find ...[19:26:55] <tomww> I'm hiding now, cu later :)[19:27:04] <elmex04> hehehe...na dann a guads neues no .-)[19:27:45] <tomww> ebenfalls :)[19:27:51] *** monta-` has joined #openindiana[19:28:47] *** kart__ has quit IRC[19:33:42] *** noahmehl has joined #openindiana[19:35:04] *** jurikm has quit IRC[19:38:15] *** jurikm has joined #openindiana[19:40:55] *** elmex04 has left #openindiana[19:43:41] *** herzen has quit IRC[19:46:12] *** Savis has joined #openindiana[19:47:05] *** herzen has joined #openindiana[19:48:14] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[19:48:32] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[19:48:55] <cpny> greetings , i seem to be having an issue with ssh that can't quite put my finger on it , every time after a reboot the first time i connect to it i get a 3-5 sec delay , followed advices here on the channel regarding the possibility of being a dns lookup problem so added the options for it to not reverse lookup the hostname etc and patched sshd as well without any luck , today i decided to try to connect from the server to the server and i still g[19:49:19] <cpny> sshd debug wise i saw it halting for 3-5 seconds at debug2: Waiting for monitor , can provide full log if needed[19:51:41] *** heldus has quit IRC[19:51:45] *** elmex04 has joined #openindiana[19:51:52] <elmex04> re[19:53:55] *** jurikm1 has joined #openindiana[19:54:12] <elmex04> once again to ntfs-3g.... when I try to mount my device i get the following message: fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first. I tried: modload fuse, but the module can't be found. :-([19:57:58] *** jurikm has quit IRC[19:58:02] <cpny> sec elmex[19:58:21] <cpny> ln -s /devices/pseudo/fuse\@0:fuse /dev/fuse[19:58:24] <elmex04> cpny: np[19:58:29] <cpny> i did this when i had to get ntfs-3g working the other day[19:58:41] <cpny> and solved the issue for me[19:59:41] <elmex04> cpny: works! fine! hurray .-)[19:59:46] <cpny> :)[19:59:50] <cpny> good good[20:00:08] <cpny> had written it down in case i ran into it again , took a good ammount of searching to find that[20:00:27] <elmex04> ...now you did .-)[20:00:33] <elmex04> thx very much![20:00:38] <cpny> no problemo :)[20:01:09] <elmex04> did you write it down on the internet?[20:01:27] <elmex04> I think more people will get stucked at that point[20:01:58] <cpny> i found it on the web after some copious ammount of searching back then , may see if it's possible to add intot he oi wiki or so[20:03:27] *** moriett has quit IRC[20:05:23] <elmex04> cpny - well I could post it to wiki. But never done that before... don't know if I have permissions...[20:06:55] <cpny> all good i will try to contact someone to do it , and yeah even figuring out how to get nfs was a headache since didn't know about the sfe repo[20:14:43] *** Ownage has joined #openindiana[20:26:50] *** feizhou_ has joined #openindiana[20:27:25] *** elgar has quit IRC[20:29:36] *** feizhou__ has quit IRC[20:35:04] *** gea has joined #openindiana[20:36:09] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[20:42:30] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[20:42:32] *** Botanic_ has quit IRC[20:42:33] *** Botanic_ has joined #openindiana[20:43:01] *** Ownage has quit IRC[20:45:32] *** Botanic has quit IRC[20:48:08] *** randw has quit IRC[20:49:18] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[20:49:49] *** randw has joined #openindiana[20:56:27] *** sergiosanche has joined #openindiana[20:57:41] <elmex04> I want to create a z-mirror with 2 usb-hdds. I have a single server without raid. My question is: what happens to the z-mirror if my server-hdd gets a e.g. headcrash? can I transfer the 2 external hdd as z-mirror to a new server without loosing data?[20:59:11] <lennard> I've heard zfs and usb is probably a bad idea[21:00:05] <lennard> I don't remember the details though, you'll probably have to search the interwebs yourself ;)[21:01:55] <jurikm1> you need good usb mass storage device and it is not easy to find good one on market. I had some mirrored zpool on 2 such disks and was OK for personal use. But frequently you hear about bad experience[21:03:01] <elmex04> ah, ok. thx for the information. but what about transfering the zpool (2 hdds with z-mirror)from one server to the other?[21:03:23] <elmex04> just plug and pry?[21:03:25] <elmex04> +a[21:04:49] <jurikm1> zfs export /zfs import (-f)[21:04:51] <lennard> not quite, you'd probably have to import -f[21:04:56] *** movement has quit IRC[21:05:05] <jurikm1> no reason for need to pray[21:05:33] <lennard> hmm, if the shutdown is nice and clean it shouldnt be a problem at all I suppose[21:06:48] <elmex04> so one just exports and imports a zpool?[21:07:18] <jurikm1> yes, in case of USB storages, it is much better to have clean unmount/shutdown because many of them are not saying truth about sync[21:07:24] <jurikm1> yes, just that[21:08:01] <elmex04> k, than I will give it a try :-)[21:08:36] <jurikm1> good luck and backup your data -)[21:08:40] <lennard> the biggest risk would indeed be if the power to either usb or the whole machine gets cut uncleanly[21:09:02] <jurikm1> yes, then you depend on quality of USB storage[21:09:05] <elmex04> back... what? :-)) no risk no fun .-))[21:09:44] <lennard> I'll need to remember the fuse thing mention earlier, I intend to ro-mount vmfs5 volumes[21:09:49] <lennard> going to be fun :P[21:10:29] <elmex04> lennard: hehe...and me mac os extended ;-)[21:11:00] *** codatory has left #openindiana[21:16:24] *** pjama has quit IRC[21:17:50] *** sebasp has quit IRC[21:32:41] *** elmex04 has left #openindiana[21:41:05] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[21:44:04] *** movement has joined #openindiana[21:54:31] *** enmand has quit IRC[22:01:29] *** pjama has joined #openindiana[22:09:47] *** jurikm1 has quit IRC[22:11:04] *** Worsoe has quit IRC[22:11:23] *** wickedwonka has joined #openindiana[22:12:12] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[22:14:06] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:14:49] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[22:16:15] *** elements has quit IRC[22:16:56] *** elements has joined #openindiana[22:19:15] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:24:21] *** n2deep has joined #openindiana[22:26:59] *** n2deep_ has quit IRC[22:27:08] *** pothos has quit IRC[22:27:44] *** myrkraverk has quit IRC[22:29:13] *** pothos has joined #openindiana[22:30:33] *** wickedwonka has quit IRC[22:32:03] *** pothos has quit IRC[22:32:20] *** pothos has joined #openindiana[22:32:57] *** RobbieCrash has quit IRC[22:35:03] *** pothos has quit IRC[22:35:22] *** pothos has joined #openindiana[22:37:19] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[22:41:53] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:54:14] *** RobbieCrash has joined #openindiana[22:54:29] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[22:57:23] *** raijin has quit IRC[22:58:52] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[22:58:53] *** raijin has joined #openindiana[23:07:12] *** Carmivore has quit IRC[23:11:27] *** dijenerate has joined #openindiana[23:15:32] *** Carmivore has joined #openindiana[23:15:48] *** Tenzer has quit IRC[23:21:36] *** Norrin has quit IRC[23:26:57] *** Norrin has joined #openindiana[23:27:35] *** dijenerate has quit IRC[23:34:30] *** Carmivore has quit IRC[23:34:50] *** kfritz has joined #openindiana[23:42:44] *** Carmivore has joined #openindiana[23:48:05] <noahmehl> anyone know if the LSI SAS2116 controller is supported?[23:50:08] *** CoilDomain has quit IRC[23:52:37] *** Carmivore has quit IRC[23:57:13] *** voidcoder has quit IRC[23:59:38] *** Shep_Book has quit IRC