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[00:00:08] <lennard> thats my theory at least, I havent bothered too much with it after I messed it up
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[00:01:23] <gusto> with GPT you mean?
[00:01:41] <lennard> the openindiana install on the system
[00:01:56] <lennard> it still happily runs the rest of the GPT-installed OSes
[00:02:12] <lennard> but I havent really booted anything other than the linux on it for months now
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[00:03:05] <lennard> since its my workstation ;)
[00:03:43] <lennard> it was a nice excercise and I might repeat it sometime, but in the mean time I've gotten some other systems at work to play with
[00:03:54] <lennard> those run openindiana 24/7! :)
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[00:50:40] <gusto> lennard: really? openindiana 24/7 ? what do you do on that?
[00:51:04] <lennard> exporting bits of zfs on nfs
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[01:10:48] <gusto> that does not sound like work
[01:11:34] <gusto> however, i did not do anything today as well
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[01:14:55] <lennard> its hard work when all you know is linux ;)
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[01:18:42] <gusto> lennard: i have a book about opensolaris
[01:19:52] <gusto> also i ask myself why this idiots from companies were destroying books and manuals of old solaris systems, some of that *** could be still usable and help ppl who want to test opensolaris
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[01:21:16] <lennard> the oracle manuals are actually pretty good, even if a lot of the stuff doesn't apply to older systems
[01:21:33] <lennard> then ago, I also have 2 actual oracle solaris 11 systems :)
[01:22:12] <gusto> ????
[01:22:20] <gusto> that is current
[01:22:23] <gusto> or not?
[01:22:29] <lennard> yes
[01:22:32] <gusto> where did you get it from?
[01:22:50] <lennard> you can just download it off oracle.com for non-commercial use
[01:22:56] <gusto> you are from europe, arent you?
[01:22:59] <lennard> you have to get licenses and stuff for commercial use
[01:23:06] <lennard> yup
[01:23:09] <gusto> where?
[01:23:13] <lennard> .nl
[01:23:17] <gusto> netherlands?
[01:23:23] <lennard> ack
[01:23:26] <gusto> ???
[01:23:33] <gusto> do not talk to my like TCP/IP
[01:23:41] <lennard> 'yes' :)
[01:23:44] <gusto> ok
[01:24:06] <lennard> sorry about that, but if it makes you feel any better I say that in real life too ;)
[01:24:10] <gusto> and where did you take that hardware? or did you simply install that OS on a PC HW?
[01:24:29] <lennard> yup
[01:24:31] <gusto> well, you do not have many friends, do you?
[01:24:35] <freetown2> Solaris 11 available for non-commercial use!?
[01:24:43] <lennard> now theres no use going insulting me ;)
[01:24:43] <gusto> i do not care
[01:24:51] <lennard> I don't say it to *everyone* in real life :P
[01:24:58] <gusto> i do not insult anyone
[01:25:20] <lennard> well, you do have to give your name and email address to oracle :)
[01:25:21] <gusto> i am just remarking, that someone who uses ACK in real life may not have people around that understand that
[01:25:40] <gusto> that sounds like vmware some years ago
[01:25:40] <lennard> I have lots of technical friends :)
[01:26:10] <lennard> I'd rather not use oracles solaris, but I need the encryption support untill someone builds it into illumos/openindiana :)
[01:26:40] <lennard> freetown2: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.html?ssSourceSiteId=ocomen
[01:27:19] <gusto> i think that the best piece of oracle is larry ellison
[01:27:39] <gusto> but he is too ressource consuming to have him at home
[01:27:54] <lennard> heh
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[01:28:21] <gusto> yes, they should make small larry ellison soft toys like they make of homer simpson
[01:28:56] <lennard> I'm off to sleep
[01:29:12] <lennard> what with the netherlands being in 01:30 right now
[01:29:16] <gusto> yes
[01:29:17] <gusto> here too
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[01:29:35] <gusto> we are in the same time zone, dont you want to move to france?
[01:29:53] <gusto> you would be sleeping by now in france
[01:29:58] <lennard> naah, don't speak the language
[01:30:19] <gusto> ok, then ... what countries are using that time? belgium maybe?
[01:30:49] <lennard> netherlands, belgium, france, belgium, spain, germany
[01:30:49] <freetown2> lennard, thanks
[01:30:54] <lennard> and probably loads more :)
[01:31:10] <lennard> ~~ bed
[01:31:12] <gusto> remember ... when you go to ukraine, you have to take care that you are there soon, because when you come too late, there is one hour more so it may happen that the drug stores are closed and you do not get any toilet paper
[01:31:54] <gusto> :-D
[01:32:24] <gusto> netherlands, belgium, france, belgium, spain, germany mixed in one time zone? that is not true
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[01:36:50] <freetown2> lennard, i guess "non-commercial" does not include educational use
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[03:43:10] <Orii> hey cant i run openindiana in like a live cd?
[03:43:47] <Orii> or is it just straight installation?
[03:45:26] <Orii> disregard that question
[03:45:32] <Orii> it was never even asked
[03:45:37] <fiyawerx> :)
[03:46:02] <Orii> lol hey fiyawerx
[03:46:20] <Orii> how is openindiana doing today? :D
[03:46:55] <Orii> im getting a new laptop soon and you will be happy to know that openindiana will be the first thing to go on it :D
[03:48:13] <_404_Error_> Orii: I am using it on a Fujitsu laptop
[03:48:29] <_404_Error_> running fine at least for what I am interested in
[03:48:57] <_404_Error_> it evens deploys nvidia prorietary drivers
[03:49:40] <_404_Error_> my intel card is a bit weird however Wireless G is functional
[03:49:45] <Orii> lol i was just looking to see if it did :D
[03:49:53] <Orii> nvidia drivers
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[05:25:03] <ripratm> I've been trying to get the zfs-auto-snap smf services working for better part of the day. It seems to be taking snapshots but not following the smf config.
[05:25:36] <ripratm> i've found a few bug reports...but this is a clean install vs upgrade which they seem to address
[05:27:31] <ripratm> for instance the xml says <propval name="keep" type="astring" value="3" but it seems to only keep 1 snapshot
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[05:34:21] <ripratm> the only thing i've really changed is the zfs property from "zfs set com.sun:auto-snapshot rpool" to "zfs set com.sun:auto-snapshot rpool/data" then turned off for the entire rpool
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[09:06:39] <madwizard> Coffee
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[09:08:07] <Agnar> M-x make-coffee
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[09:18:28] <Okona> (-:
[09:19:06] <Agnar> i love my emacs ,)
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[09:24:36] <madwizard> :)
[09:24:44] <madwizard> I love my Wife :)
[09:26:42] <easye> Will the latest VitrualBox releases (4.1.8) install on oi151a without intervention, or does one still need to modify the installation to think its going into ORCL Solaris?
[09:27:41] <Agnar> madwizard: I love my wife too ;) but to be honest: emacs edits textfiles way better than my wife :)
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[09:43:26] <lblume> madwizard: If you had to choose between her and coffee? Hmm?
[09:48:42] <Worsoe> lblume: For me it would be coffee. Coffee can keep me awake, my wife can't
[09:49:16] <lblume> :-D
[09:50:18] <madwizard> lblume: I'd choose my Wife. She makes fantastic coffee :)
[09:50:35] <madwizard> And coffee can't keep me awake anyways, so it's no challenge
[09:50:37] <madwizard> :)
[09:52:14] <Worsoe> @madwizard: My wife makes terrible coffee
[09:52:41] <Worsoe> and she mix ti with milk
[09:52:53] <lblume> Augh! Isn't that a reason for divorce?
[09:53:31] <Worsoe> :-D
[09:56:50] <lblume> She better have a lot of other qualities! :-D
[09:57:36] <Worsoe> lblume: hmm... can't find them...
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[10:16:09] <Okona> easye: 4.1.6 at least did install without intervention.
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[15:29:09] <fiyawerx> Can anyone open this site? https://portal.cloudpixies.com/webrev/bug453/zpool - it is listed on the wiki page as a "drop in zpool replacement" for large sector devices, but doesn't seem to be working
[15:30:27] <Woodstock> why do you think you need a zpool replacement?
[15:31:51] <fiyawerx> Woodstock: for advanced format drives
[15:32:25] <Woodstock> i never needed a zpool replacement for that
[15:32:56] <nahamu> maybe it had a webrev that got integrated??
[15:33:09] <nahamu> I can't open the site from Boston.
[15:34:01] <fiyawerx> Woodstock: i want to try benchmarking with both block sizes, to see if there's any noticible difference
[15:34:20] <fiyawerx> i've read arguments both ways, but it seems that you would want the alignment to match the correct way
[15:35:25] <fiyawerx> I'm not sure how Deano's comment works, I created my pools normally but they still get ashift-9 with oi_151a
[15:35:27] <Woodstock> that would only make a difference (and, be possible at all) if the disk is lying about its true sector size
[15:35:35] <fiyawerx> which they do
[15:35:47] <Warod> yeah, you should go with ashift-12 for 4k drives
[15:36:27] <Woodstock> return them and buy disks that don't lie :)
[15:36:27] <Warod> or for a pool in which you're going to use 4k drives eventually
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[15:40:38] <fiyawerx> hmm, I found this: http://digitaldj.net/2010/11/03/zfs-zpool-v28-openindiana-b147-4k-drives-and-you/
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[15:41:11] <fiyawerx> that should still be ok to use to at least create the pool on 151 right?
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[15:43:13] <fiyawerx> looks like that works, nice - got ashift 12
[15:44:02] <fiyawerx> now to run some bonnie tests and see what happens
[15:45:55] <Warod> ah, good
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[15:54:16] <sergiosanche> hi
[15:55:03] <sergiosanche> I´m installing openindiana on my hp microserver and i can´t setup an static ip address on it
[15:55:08] <sergiosanche> can you help me?
[15:55:59] <sergiosanche> the problem is that i can´t ping to any host in my net
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[15:56:39] <tsoome> man google. http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/4.+System+Administration
[15:57:04] <sergiosanche> thanks...i have tried a lot of things but it doesn´t work
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[16:46:48] <sergiosanche> Hi
[16:47:03] <sergiosanche> When you setup ip address in static way
[16:47:09] <sergiosanche> when you put: ipadm create-addr -T static -a HOSTNAME/24 LINK_NAME
[16:47:14] <sergiosanche> what LINK_NAME means?
[16:47:44] <Agnar> nic
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[17:00:51] <sebasp> sergiosanche: do dladm show-phys this will list all the interface you have physically, do dladm show-link to see all the interfaces, then do ipadm show-if to see if the link you want to use as a ip interface, lastly do ipadm create-addr -T static -a local=ADDR/MASK IF/v4 (that is the way I do it.)
[17:01:50] <sebasp> anybody knows why I cannot find the man pages for named in OI? Is it a real bug or a political bug :)
[17:02:06] <sergiosanche> thx sebasp
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[17:02:52] <sebasp> sergiosanche: also, I do rename my phys to net0/1/2/3 whatever...
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[17:03:48] <sergiosanche> :(
[17:04:03] <sergiosanche> I´m trying with my bge0 and it doesn´t work
[17:04:10] <sebasp> ok...so
[17:04:29] <sebasp> does ipadm show-if list your bge0?
[17:04:33] <sergiosanche> yes
[17:04:34] <Agnar> sebasp: man-page for named should be in man in.named
[17:05:10] <sergiosanche> it says...bge0 STATE:ok CURRENT: bm-------4- PERSISTENT: ---
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[17:05:43] <Agnar> sergiosanche: is "HOSTNAME" lookup-able via /etc/hosts? please use the IP instead of "hostname"
[17:05:58] <sebasp> sergiosanche: ipadm create-addr -T static -a local=IP/MASK bge0/v4
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[17:06:58] <sebasp> Agnar: man in.named doesn't find anything and pkg search in.named.1m doesn't find anything either
[17:07:04] <sergiosanche> If I put: ipadm create-addr -T static -a local=192.168.1.5/24 bge0/v4
[17:07:24] <sergiosanche> It says ipadm: Could not c reate address: Persistent operation on temporary object
[17:07:47] <sebasp> did you plumb bge0 with ifconfig?
[17:07:56] <tsoome> do ifconfig bge0 unplumb.
[17:08:23] <sergiosanche> :(
[17:08:40] <tsoome> and make sure you dont have /etc/hostname.bge0 and hostname6.bge0
[17:08:40] <sergiosanche> I did umplumb and then I could do create-addr
[17:09:11] <sergiosanche> but if I try to ping my router it doesn work
[17:09:20] <sebasp> sergiosanche: you have to remove Solaris 10 behavior from your head :)
[17:09:24] <Agnar> sebasp: seems to be a bug :)
[17:09:42] <sergiosanche> It is curious because if it works using dhcp I can ping my router
[17:10:06] <tsoome> once create addr is done, enter svcadm enable network/physical:default
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[17:11:01] <sergiosanche> :( ping: sendto Network is unreacheable
[17:11:08] <sergiosanche> and I do ping 192.168.1.1
[17:11:27] <tsoome> what ip and mask did you set?
[17:11:39] <sergiosanche> ipadm create-addr -T static -a local=192.168.1.5/24 bge0/v4
[17:11:47] <tsoome> what does ifconfig bge0 show?
[17:12:12] <sergiosanche> bge0: flags:....
[17:12:31] <sergiosanche> inet 192.168.1.5 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.1.255
[17:12:39] <sergiosanche> ether ....
[17:12:42] <tsoome> those …. are important:P
[17:12:46] <sebasp> Agnar: Is it illumos-gate or OI bug?
[17:13:02] <sergiosanche> ok
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[17:13:31] <sergiosanche> flags=1000843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,IPv4> mtu 1500 index 3
[17:15:13] <tsoome> what does netstat -rn tell?
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[17:15:30] <sergiosanche> default 192.168.1.1 ug 1 0
[17:15:41] <sergiosanche> 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 uh 2 0 lo0
[17:15:56] <sergiosanche> 192.168.1.0 192.168.1.5 u 3 4 bge0
[17:16:11] <sergiosanche> those values ar for IPv4
[17:16:20] <sergiosanche> ::1 ::1 uh 2 0 lo0
[17:16:26] <sergiosanche> for IPv6
[17:16:47] <tsoome> ok so it knows 192.168.1.0 should go into bge0
[17:17:01] <sergiosanche> yep
[17:17:03] <tsoome> you can check the netmask with netstat -rnv
[17:17:10] <sergiosanche> it shouldn´t be a network problem
[17:17:30] <sergiosanche> ok...
[17:17:45] <tsoome> so, run snoop -d bge0 in separate window or background and try to ping the router once again
[17:17:55] <sergiosanche> default 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 [NOTHING] 0 1 UG 0 0
[17:18:17] <sergiosanche> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 lo0 8232 2 UH 0 0
[17:18:36] <sergiosanche> 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 192.168.1.5 bge0 1500 3 U 4 0
[17:19:22] <sergiosanche> I´m usin console, how can I use another console? I know in linux you can do it using alt+f2-6
[17:20:08] <tsoome> same if you have enabled console-login:vt2 …. services.
[17:20:41] <sergiosanche> I didn´t do it
[17:20:46] <sergiosanche> Is a fresh installation
[17:21:01] <tsoome> or just run snoop with &, it does not produce much output anyhow.
[17:21:11] <sergiosanche> okok
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[17:21:26] <tsoome> vtdaemon:default may be needed as well, i dont really remember exact details.
[17:21:39] <sergiosanche> UMM...
[17:21:52] <sergiosanche> I can see arp packets
[17:22:01] <tsoome> outgoing?
[17:22:14] <sergiosanche> But when I try to ping 192.168.1.1 it doesnt tell anything about ping
[17:22:17] <tsoome> or broadcasts from other hosts
[17:22:29] <sergiosanche> broadcast from other hosts
[17:23:03] <tsoome> what arp -a tells?
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[17:23:47] <sergiosanche> bge0 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.255 U [empty]
[17:24:00] <tsoome> network unreachable suggests netmask issue, like it does not know about how to reach that network.
[17:24:06] <sergiosanche> bge0 192.168.1.5 255.255.255.255 SPLA [MAC]
[17:24:32] <sergiosanche> yes...but I think netmask is well
[17:24:44] <tsoome> U is unresolved, it did not got reply on arp
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[17:27:36] <tomww> getent netmasks 192.168.1.0
[17:27:44] <tomww> does this print your expected netmask ?
[17:28:02] <tsoome> you can do very simple and basic test btw. unplug the network cable and plug it in again after sec
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[17:30:11] <tsoome> uhm, he did ipadm create-addr with mask so netmasks file should not interfere even with bogus entry in there
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[18:35:55] <fiyawerx> bah, why is trying to come up with a zpool disk configuration so complicated, I think I should just stick with a raidz2 setup
[18:36:38] <[1]kimc> what configuration are you looking for?
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[18:38:57] <fiyawerx> just been trying out different combinations for 6 2TB disks (home server use, mostly for raw photos and whatnot)
[18:39:15] <fiyawerx> was thinking 6 raidz2, or 2 3 disk raidz's for easier upgrading
[18:39:50] <fiyawerx> no more room in my case, so 'upgrading' would be replacing a set or all of them in the future (or a new case / server, granted)
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[18:41:55] <fiyawerx> it looks like my benchmarks are around the same with any of the setups, according to bonnie++, about 340MB/s seq-write and 320MB/s SeqRead
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[18:42:17] <patdk-wk> it should be
[18:42:27] <patdk-wk> the differences are in random i/o performance
[18:42:43] <fiyawerx> im not too sure what different type of actions use the different types of IO
[18:42:53] <Agnar> i remember a blog entry why bonnie++ produces no good results on zfs...
[18:43:25] <patdk-wk> fiyawerx, if your only storing data on it, it doesn't really matter much what you use
[18:43:38] <fiyawerx> going to be running a few VM's also, but nothing serious
[18:43:45] <patdk-wk> if you start storing like, virtual systems, databases, ..., then you want random i/o performance
[18:43:58] <fiyawerx> and since its home use, even any DB use I used would be minor
[18:44:04] <fiyawerx> like a lab setup or whatnot
[18:44:27] <patdk-wk> for me, a lab setup, is equal or better, than production
[18:44:35] <patdk-wk> otherwise, it's a useless lab
[18:44:44] <fiyawerx> i mean home lab, just messing around with new OS's and things
[18:45:04] <patdk-wk> then maybe anything would be ok for you
[18:45:08] * fiyawerx nods
[18:45:11] <patdk-wk> except when a drive starts to go dead
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[18:45:20] <patdk-wk> then you will notice the difference :)
[18:47:00] <fiyawerx> can't really see myself needing to upgrade any time soon either, with ~8TB usable storage, even if i was ONLY store non processed photos, thats still like 335 thousand pictures heh
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[18:47:34] <fiyawerx> I guess just going 6 disk raidz2 would be best, give me good redundancy too
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[19:38:53] <wt0vremr> Hello there. Does anyone have an exprience of installing openindiana on a netbook?
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[21:19:34] <Tenzer> For the people who hadn't heard about "No Pants Subway Ride" before, here's a video I shot last sunday from the event in Copenhagen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdNA0_gehuM
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[21:23:02] <lblume> Tenzer: It was in the paper this morning.
[21:23:17] <lblume> Enough of a single picture to satisfy my curiosity.
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[21:29:04] <licenser> is anyone using SmartOS?
[21:30:31] <Ownage> only smart people. unfortunately I am not
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[21:34:02] <Tenzer> lblume: Okay :)
[21:34:25] <Tenzer> It's however other people's reactions which are the best, imo
[21:35:26] <lblume> On the picture, it looked like normally dressed people were a minority :-P
[21:36:16] <Tenzer> Was that from London?
[21:41:02] <lblume> NYC
[21:41:42] <Tenzer> Ah, they are probably also 200 times as many people as we were in Copenhagen :P
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[22:40:38] <Worsoe> Tenzer: where in cph do you live? i live i ørestad city
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[22:53:08] <Tenzer> Worsoe: Søborg
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[22:53:43] <Tenzer> So not exactly Copenhagen for people who live closer, but close enough to enjoy the benefits of a big ciity
[22:54:45] <Worsoe> still a part of "great cph"
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[22:55:13] <Tenzer> Sure, and there are S-trains here, so I'm good
[22:56:08] <Worsoe> well i use my bike
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